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These are books that were originally published on the Internet as fan fiction. This isn't for original fiction, it isn't for published fan fiction of works in the public domain (basically all of those Pride & Prejudice books, e.g. Death Comes to Pemberley), it's not for straight parodies (e.g. Fifty Shames of Earl Grey). The authors were members of a fandom, published their fanfic on fanfiction.net, AO3, or any personal blog, etc. They then pulled the story down, changed names or rewrote large parts of it, to then published it for profit.
If you're voting stories onto this list you need to be sure that it was, in fact, P2P. Your suspicions or voting on books by former fic authors that aren't P2P renders this list useless, so please take care in what you add.
If you're voting stories onto this list you need to be sure that it was, in fact, P2P. Your suspicions or voting on books by former fic authors that aren't P2P renders this list useless, so please take care in what you add.
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Jun 29, 2012 10:13AM
I have a question; why are Lisa Sanchez's books being listed as P2P? I don't remember these books being fanfiction beforehand. What fanfiction did she write and file the serial numbers off of?
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Eleni wrote: "I have a question; why are Lisa Sanchez's books being listed as P2P? I don't remember these books being fanfiction beforehand. What fanfiction did she write and file the serial numbers off of?"Behind Closed Doors was not a pulled to publish, so I am not sure why it's on the list.
None of the Light Series (Seers of Light or Whisper of Light) were ever fanfictions. They were always original fiction novels. While I appreciate when readers add my books to lists, I'd like to point out that your list has multiple inaccuracies.
For people who don't understand how listopias work people "vote" on a book (or in this case "book") to add it to the list. You can see how voted for it by clicking on "x person/people voted". I don't know anything about Behind Closed Doors. You'll have to ask the person who voted on it.
I think I've heard what is put on the list can be edited, but I have yet to figure out how to do so. When I do (if it's possible) I'll take care of the erroneously added stories. After independent corroboration. Which I now have on Jennifer's books. As I've had a P2P author whose story I read as fic say to my face that she's comfortable saying her story was never fan fiction you'll understand I no longer take the author's word on this matter. Although you're going to have to deal with the stigma of your choice in "publisher." I'll see about having them removed, but you may need to request it from the person who added the it. And everyone needs to understand no one person has control over what is added after a list is created.
All of that said, if you're voting stories onto this list you need to be sure that it was, in fact, P2P. I see at least one up there that I know is a suspicion and not a confirmed former fic. Your suspicions or voting on books by former fic authors that aren't P2P renders this list useless so please take care in what you add.
Alicia wrote: "For people who don't understand how listopias work people "vote" on a book (or in this case "book") to add it to the list. You can see how voted for it by clicking on "x person/people voted". I d..."
Alicia,
I understand what you are saying about needing to go to the person who added the book to the list. The person who added Behind Closed Doors does not except messages so there is no way for me to contact her to ask why she added it. As for confirmation BCD wasn't a former fic, Sandra has read the book and reviewed it. She should be able to confirm for you that it never was a fan fiction prior to publication.
I have, and can confirm, that Behind Closed Doors wasn't originally a fanfic. I'm also a librarian and can edit this list if you provide the titles of the books that should be removed.ETA: Behind Closed Doors has been removed from this list as it wasn't Pulled to Publish fanfiction and should not have been added.
I'm pretty sure Lisa Sanchez has never done a P2P on her books, Eve of Samhain and Pleasures Untold. Can you remove that from this list, too?
Eleni wrote: "I'm pretty sure Lisa Sanchez has never done a P2P on her books, Eve of Samhain and Pleasures Untold. Can you remove that from this list, too?"Sure, I'd be glad to.
ETA: removed.
Alicia, would you like me to remove Jennifer DeLucy's books as well, since it seems you have confirmed that they were not, in fact, P2P?
Sandra wrote: "Eleni wrote: "I'm pretty sure Lisa Sanchez has never done a P2P on her books, Eve of Samhain and Pleasures Untold. Can you remove that from this list, too?"Sure, I'd be glad to.
ETA: removed."
:) They'll both definitely appreciate that!
I'm questioning this book as well - not reminiscent of any fanfic I've read. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...
Sandra wrote: "I'm questioning this book as well - not reminiscent of any fanfic I've read. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13..."It says in the reviews that it was a fan fiction.
Eleni wrote: "Sandra wrote: "I'm questioning this book as well - not reminiscent of any fanfic I've read. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13..."It says in the reviews that it was a fan fiction."
Yeah, just saw that. Wasn't Twilight though, methinks. I'll leave it.
Sandra wrote: "I have, and can confirm, that Behind Closed Doors wasn't originally a fanfic. I'm also a librarian and can edit this list if you provide the titles of the books that should be removed.ETA: Behind..."
Thanks.
These aren't all pulled to publish. The author's, however, had written fan fiction before. Maybe that is what this list should be titled?
Detroitangel wrote: "These aren't all pulled to publish. The author's, however, had written fan fiction before. Maybe that is what this list should be titled?"If that were the case, I can probably name another 5-6 Big 6 authors who were fanfiction writers before publishing. Maybe we should only have P2P fanfics on this list, then?
It is confusing and misrepresenting. I'd like to know which were P2P;I find this a great idea to help fanfic reader manuever around what they may have already read.
This list, as Alicia pointed out, is intended ONLY for books that were formerly fanfics. Not authors who previously wrote fanfics but published original stories. The list is in the process of being cleaned up, but please only vote for books that you are absolutely sure were previously posted online as fanfiction stories.
I just added a book. Order of the Seers, formerly a Twilight fanfic from LittleWings2. Author announced that she will send the PDF of the fanfic to anyone who asks for it. *headdesk*
I cleaned up some books last night and took care of some of the others in question.I'm not changing anything about the list. I have been painfully clear about what is to be added in the description. It is what it's supposed to be, but some people don't pay attention before they vote. Especially if someone did something silly and "published" with one of those fandom "publishers."
I don't understand how reading Behind Closed Doors confirms it wasn't previously fic. Please, don't go book removal crazy because someone has their panties in a twist. If there is no proof, then fine (just reading it isn't proof against). But like I said there are some authors that think that because they rewrote some things or added words that it's no longer fan fiction (I've been in these arguments before). And I'm going to be really cranky (well, more cranky) if books that are clearly P2P start disappearing from the list because someone wants to make that claim and take it into their own hands. The standard for removal is no definitive proof that it was previously fan fiction. Thank you.
On the 3 that were removed, I had no definite proof that they were former fanfic. As you may know, I belong to a group where we keep track of those, and we have done extensive research into the suspicious ones. I think that books which were not former fanfics ought to be removed, if they were added erroneously. Anyone can post a comment in the Goodreads Librarian group for Listopia and make that request.
Just got this: End Island by xlavendermoonx - Secretly investigating an unsolved disappearance, best-selling author Bella Swan moves to a secluded island where she gets caught up in the mysteries of the case and the #1 suspect, Edward Cullen. BxE, AH, Rated M for mature themes
Harbour Falls by S.R. Grey - Secretly investigating an unsolved disappearance, best-selling author Maddy Fitch moves to a secluded island off the coast of Maine where she gets caught up in the mysteries of the case and the #1 suspect, elusive and sexy Adam Ward.
Harbour Falls
Sandra wrote: "On the 3 that were removed, I had no definite proof that they were former fanfic. As you may know, I belong to a group where we keep track of those, and we have done extensive research into the sus..."That's exactly what I said. I don't have a problem with books that should not have been added being removed (even ones that I just know are fic because everything about them says fic and the author P2P'd before but it was never posted), otherwise I wouldn't have removed some myself. I do have a problem with people using whatever excuse to do so based on someone's word. That's all I was saying.
Yeah, I was the one asking about S.R. Grey because OMG that name. You're in Twific and that's your P2P name? I can't.
Alicia wrote: "Yeah, I was the one asking about S.R. Grey because OMG that name. You're in Twific and that's your P2P name? I can't. "I know, right? It's like she combined two of the worst offenders. I wonder if it's an homage or sheer stupidity.
Sandra wrote: "Alicia wrote: "Yeah, I was the one asking about S.R. Grey because OMG that name. You're in Twific and that's your P2P name? I can't. "I know, right? It's like she combined two of the worst offend..."
I'm afraid of either circumstance but how could anyone be that stupid? Even if your name actually broke down that way, why would you use it?
Sandra wrote: "I just added a book. Order of the Seers, formerly a Twilight fanfic from LittleWings2. Author announced that she will send the PDF of the fanfic to anyone who asks for it. *headdesk*"Just wanted to clarify that I did not promise to "send a PDF to anyone who asks for it." I offered a free ebook download to *only* those people who reviewed the fan fiction version as a way to thank them for supporting the story.
I think Google search made that free pdf offer. It's ongoing for all published fan fiction. :)
Einfach wrote: "I think Google search made that free pdf offer. It's ongoing for all published fan fiction. :)"lulzing forever!! :)
Einfach wrote: "I think Google search made that free pdf offer. It's ongoing for all published fan fiction. :)"*snort*
I have very mixed feelings about this list. Some of these stories have been changed so much that they are barely recognizable from their fanfiction form and I don't have any issues with those. But they are grouped together in the same category as the 'find/replace' stories that clearly have no right being published... is there a better way to differentiate between them?
Both forms are wrong and both are welcome on this list. People rewriting their fics and calling them completely divorced from the source material is a lovely fiction people like to tell themselves. While they don't cross the same legal lines, they do trample all over the ethical ones. If they wanted to be real authors they'd write something completely original. Even if I felt they should be separated, there isn't a way to do so without changing the list entirely.
Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?
Donna wrote: "Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?"Excellent question. The argument comes up that you cannot divorce plot from the characters and vice versa, even if you only change the names. If you removed Edward Cullen from the plot and renamed him "Damien Reed" and made his hair black instead of auburn, how would the female lead have recognized him if the way she first saw him was his bronze hair catching her eye and reminding her of fire or her old red truck's rust? That changes the direction of the story as well as the plot.
Donna wrote: "Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?"I don't read it that way at all. What I read that is filing off the serial numbers from your fanfic or rewriting the thing from the ground up - both are welcome on this list. It has nothing to do with topic and everything with the roots of your 'book'. There are books that are only reminiscent of the fanfic in that they are the same story, completely rewritten. And there are 'books' that are 89% like the fanfic. Alicia's comment reads to me as if she welcomes both kind for this list.
And when I say 'you', I am not addressing you personally.
Donna wrote: "Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?"I think the distiction is that if it's been published on the internet as fanfiction with, for example, Edward and Bella as main characters, it is unethical to pull it, rework the names, and publish it again for money as an original work of fiction.
But if you write and publish a fanfic on the mafia, and THEN write another one, with your own world, with your own characters AND the mafia, there is no problem. At all.
Fair enough? :-)
Eleni wrote: "Excellent question. The argument comes up that you cannot divorce plot from the characters and vice versa, even if you only change the names. If you removed Edward Cullen from the plot and renamed him "Damien Reed" and made his hair black instead of auburn, how would the female lead have recognized him if the way she first saw him was his bronze hair catching her eye and reminding her of fire or her old red truck's rust? That changes the direction of the story as well as the plot. "
I always wonder why an author would take a year to rework an fan fic, when they could just write an entirely original story? Not to mention when you spend that much time reworking a fan fic into an "original" story, you're not necessarily making it a better story. In some cases, what made these stories such a great read was their connection to the source material, without that they became bland, flat and sometime utterly incomprehensible.
I suspect that some of these authors thought starting with a complete story put them ahead of the game, when in reality they wasted their time and talent trying to re-engineer a car into a boat, instead of just building a boat in the first place.
/end rant
Einfach wrote: "I always wonder why an author would take a year to rework an fan fic, when they could just write an entirely original story? Not to mention when you spend that much time reworking a fan fic into an "original" story, you're not necessarily making it a better story. In some of these stories what made them such a great read was their connection to the source material, without that they became bland, flat and sometime utterly incomprehensible. "Great question. I loved Twilight when I firstread it because Stephenie Meyer worked at getting the Edward and Bella relationship to work in the pages of her novel. When I started hearing about these P2P books, I read one, and started to wonder, if it weren't for the characters being Edward and Bella, would it make sense for the leads to be together? Did the author put enough work in to make the relationship work in her story or is the author relying too much on Stephenie Meyer's characterizations? When the characters stop being Edward and Bella, do they really belong together?
Eleni wrote: "Did the author put enough work in to make the relationship work in her story or is the author relying too much on Stephenie Meyer's characterizations? When the characters stop being Edward and Bella, do they really belong together? "You ask so many great questions and you've pinpointed one of the biggest weakness of many the P2P romances. Many follow the blueprint of Twilight's plot and how that plot was highly dependent on the relationship between Bella and Edward. I mean, that's the freakin' plot. So much so that SM's continued to adherence to their relationship being the focus of the plot that the last book suffered for it. IMO
When that is transplanted to a different setting without a lot of set dressing (aka in an AH contemporary romance) the story loses any complexity and becomes a formulaic romance. Ironically enough, Twilight itself followed many romance tropes and was very formulaic under all the flash and sparkle of vampires. Which makes all these stories that strip away the supernatural elements and think they're reinventing the wheel, when in reality they're bringing out a copy of an older (some would say tired and cliched) wheel.
Einfach wrote: "When that is transplanted to a different setting without a lot of set dressing (aka in an AH contemporary romance) the story loses any complexity and becomes a formulaic romance. Ironically enough, Twilight itself followed many romance tropes and was very formulaic under all the flash and sparkle of vampires. Which makes all these stories that strip away the supernatural elements and think they're reinventing the wheel, when in reality they're bringing out a copy of an older (some would say tired and cliched) wheel. "I have read a few P2P books, and I had a hard time rooting for the leads to get together in some instances. I assume it's sort of understood that in Twiight Fanfiction, Edward and Bella are supposed to be together. But when you change the names in your fanfiction, does a reader who's never read the original fanfiction actually want the leads together? I've asked this question after reading a few P2P books. In some cases, no. Not at all.
Eleni wrote: "Einfach wrote: "When that is transplanted to a different setting without a lot of set dressing (aka in an AH contemporary romance) the story loses any complexity and becomes a formulaic romance. Ir..."Yes. I'm going to message you so we stop derailing this comment thread, but YES! We must talk more.
Donna wrote: "Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?"
There is absolutely nothing wrong with an author writing a second book on the same topic.
But if she does that, there is no reason on earth for it to in any way be associated with the fanfic which is also on the same topic.
If we were talking about authors who simply wrote books that had the same theme as their fics, we'd be talking about something entirely different. We aren't.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with an author writing a second book on the same topic.
But if she does that, there is no reason on earth for it to in any way be associated with the fanfic which is also on the same topic.
If we were talking about authors who simply wrote books that had the same theme as their fics, we'd be talking about something entirely different. We aren't.
Donna wrote: "Not fair. Are you saying that if a fanfic author writes about a topic (ex. adoption or the mafia) than they can not write on it again?"Oh God, did you really "not fair" me over P2P? Really?
I'm not sure how you even got that out of what I said. But if someone rewrote their fanfic and now claims it is not fic, that's B.S. We're not talking about people who took the theme and started completely from scratch. Which is dumb too, if you wrote it as fic you forfeited it. Because knowing these people they'd throw a tantrum when people rightfully start comparing it to their fic.
And even though I responded to you, Donna, I'm still reporting you for suspicion of being a sockpuppet. Grow some balls and come as you are.
Great conversation here in the comments, and I'm glad to see a list like this started.Yes, I'm an author, and yes, I hate to see an author's work copied by lazy writers for profit. But I've also written fanfic (Harry Potter), so I honestly try to see both sides. I think readers deserve to know when a story started out as fanfic so they can decide whether they want to support it.
Many readers feel charging for former fanfic is unethical (based on the many, many comments to my post about the ethics of fanfic), and any writer who tries to hide that history is lying to people. Not cool.
I've written several posts about fanfic on my blog (http://jamigold.com/tag/fan-fiction/), everything from the ethical questions to what makes characters unique (hint, changing the name or other superficial details isn't enough).
I agree with Einfach and Eleni about the problems inherent in trying to take the fic out of fanfic. If a fanfic author changes the characters to the point where they become unique and no longer evoke the originals, the story itself would change--as the new characters would react differently to plot events.
However, that fanfic author can strip everything down to the basic premise (such as "escape the mafia," as one commenter mentioned) and reuse that story premise with new characters, new plot events, etc. and be perfectly legit. Anything less than that is ethically gray.
My own fanfic was never posted and never will be (it sucks, trust me ;) ). But the only thing I've ever "taken" from it was the general theme of redemption and power of love. That's me. That's my writing brand. And it has nothing to do with the fanfic story, characters, and plot.
My fanfic was my training wheels for writing an original story, and you'll never catch me complaining that all those hours should earn me money regardless of the ethics. No. The time isn't wasted if we learn plotting and storytelling techniques. Call it training wheels and move on.
*ahem* Sorry for the rant. ;)
Jami wrote: "My fanfic was my training wheels for writing an original story, and you'll never catch me complaining that all those hours should earn me money regardless of the ethics. No. The time isn't wasted if we learn plotting and storytelling techniques. Call it training wheels and move on."Thank you! Well said, but especially this last bit. I've heard that exact excuse of "my time ia worth/work something" used countless times to justify demand for compensation (be it for money or just more reviews) and it is bullshit. Any time author spends perfecting their skill is never wasted and it all pays off in the end.
Thanks for commenting and posting on your blog about this issue. :)
Einfach wrote: "I've heard that exact excuse of "my time ia worth/work something" used countless times to justify demand for compensation (be it for money or just more reviews) and it is bullshit."Yes, or they say, "but shouldn't I be able to do something with my idea?" *sigh*
A) Ideas are a dime a dozen. I can come up with 12 story ideas before breakfast. :) It's the implementation that matters, and fanfic implements the story idea by copying characters that don't belong to them.
B) Absolutely, they can do something with the story idea. That's called the premise. They can keep the premise and come up with new characters--which would then change the plot beats, as the new characters would make different choices. Voila! New and completely unique story that doesn't have fanfic roots.
Excuses are excuses. :)
Jami wrote: "Ideas are a dime a dozen."Amen!
I can't tell you how many times people in this fandom treated "ideas" like objects, no, precious jewels. People accused others of plagiarism for writing fics with similar plots or themes. My favorite was the creative copyright that authors like EL James employed to both acknowledge their fic was inspired by Meyer, but all elements of the story that were not a recognizable Twilight property was under their copyright. o.O
Jami wrote: "
A) Ideas are a dime a dozen. I can come up with 12 story ideas before breakfast. :) It's the implementation that matters, and fanfic implements the story idea by copying characters that don't belong to them.
B) Absolutely, they can do something with the story idea. That's called the premise. They can keep the premise and come up with new characters--which would then change the plot beats, as the new characters would make different choices. Voila! New and completely unique story that doesn't have fanfic roots."
QFT. This is all of it right there.
A) Ideas are a dime a dozen. I can come up with 12 story ideas before breakfast. :) It's the implementation that matters, and fanfic implements the story idea by copying characters that don't belong to them.
B) Absolutely, they can do something with the story idea. That's called the premise. They can keep the premise and come up with new characters--which would then change the plot beats, as the new characters would make different choices. Voila! New and completely unique story that doesn't have fanfic roots."
QFT. This is all of it right there.
Jami wrote: "Einfach wrote: "I've heard that exact excuse of "my time ia worth/work something" used countless times to justify demand for compensation (be it for money or just more reviews) and it is bullshit."..."Don't apologize for the rant. I like that you jumped and and love everything you said! Especially this. That is exactly it. Somehow they feel like in the manipulation of the characters and plot it suddenly becomes theirs. Like, Einfach said, there were some copyright statements that absolutely killed me (as a rational person and someone who primarily studied copyright in law school). ELJ's was particularly hilarious:
Twilight character names belong to Stephenie Meyer. No copyright infringement is intended. The intellectual property including but not limited to, all characterizations, plot lines, backgrounds and details belong to Snowqueens Icedragon. Plagiarism is theft so please no copying or reproduction of this work in any language is permitted without express written authorization of the author. Thank you. April 2010
Yeah, really, no. And "PLAGIARISM IS THEFT." Except when she does it, right? I still just cannot believe the hubris of that woman.
