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message 1: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Sep 10, 2020 01:08AM) (new)

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One of the challenges of getting through each and every award-winning Hugo and Nebula lies in determening how to read books that belong to lengthy series and filled with characters and events that intermingle throuhout the volumes. We hope this group will help its members to get through the process of determining what volumes are essential in every series that contain an award-winning book.

Once we get a clear idea of how series is to be read in order to enjoy it thorouhly, the info will be posted in this thread for the convenience of having it all in one thread.

NOTES

HWBN - Hugo Winner for the Best Novel
HNBN - Hugo Nominee for the Best Novel
NWBN - Nebula Winner for the Best Novel
NNBN - Nebula Nominee for the Best Novel
HBnv - Hugo for Best Novelette
NBnv - Nebila for Best Novelette

Here's the comprehensive list of series that we know how to deal with:

*** 2,000pg+

Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan Total pages: 11,537

The Eye of the World - 814pg HNBN
The Great Hunt - 705pg HNBN
The Dragon Reborn - 624pg HNBN
The Shadow Rising - 1007pg HNBN
The Fires of Heaven - 912pg HNBN
Lord of Chaos - 1011 pg HNBN
A Crown of Swords - 880pg HNBN
The Path of Daggers - 685pg HNBN
Winter's Heart - 780pg HNBN
Crossroads of Twilight - 704pg HNBN
Knife of Dreams - 860pg HNBN
The Gathering Storm - 783pg HNBN
Towers of Midnight - 863pg HNBN
A Memory of Light - 909pg HNBN


* Dresden Files by Jim Butcher Total pages: 6,574

Dresden Files Vol 1-14 - 6,118pages *no awards
Skin Game - 456pg HNBN


Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold Total pages: 6,100

Falling Free 288pg NWBN
Shards of Honor 313pg
Barrayar 336pg HWBN
The Warrior's Apprentice 372pg
The Mountains of Mourning 112pg HBnv, NBnv
The Vor Game 346pg HWBN
Cetaganda 302pg
Labyrinth 91pg
The Borders of Infinity 78pg
Brothers in Arms 338pg
Mirror Dance 560pg HWBN
Memory 509pg HNBN , NNBN
Komarr 384pg
A Civil Campaign 544pg HNBN , NNBN
Winterfair Gifts - 73pg HBnv
Diplomatic Immunity 367pg NNBN
Captain Vorpatril's Alliance 422pg HNBN
CryoBurn 345pg HNBN
Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen 352pg


Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin Total pages: 4,972

A Game of Thrones - 848pg NNBN
A Clash of Kings - 761pg NNBN
A Storm of Swords - 1177pg HNBN NNBN
A Feast for Crows - 1061pg HNBN
A Dance with Dragons - 1125pg HNBN


Tales of the Terran Republic by Charles E. Gannon Total pages: 2,940pg

Fire with Fire - 496pg NNBN
Trial by Fire - 640pg NNBN
Raising Caine - 548pg NNBN
Caine's Mutiny - 756pg
Marque of Caine - 500pg NNBN


Foundation by Isaac Asimov Total pages: 2,662

Prelude to Foundation - 464pg
Forward the Foundation - 464pg
Foundation - 244pg
Foundation and Empire - 256pg
Second Foundation - 256pg
Foundation's Edge - 450pg HWBN NNBN
Foundation and Earth - 528pg


Alex Benedict by Jack McDevitt Total pages: 2,567

A Talent for War - 310pg
Polaris - 384pg NNBN
Seeker - 373pg NWBN
The Devil's Eye - 368pg
Echo - 371pg NNBN
Firebird - 375 NNBN
Coming Home - 386pg NNBN


The Academy by Jack McDevitt Total pages: 2,351

The Engines of God - 419pg
Deepsix - 502pg
Chindi - 511pg NNBN
Omega - 493pg NNBN
Odyssey - 416pg NNBN


Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons Total pages: 2,267

Hyperion - 482pg HWBN
The Fall of Hyperion - 517pg HNBN NNBN
Endymion - 568pg
The Rise of Endymion - 709pg HNBN


The Uplift Saga by David Brin Total pages: 2,097

Sundiver - 340pg
Startide Rising - 458pg HWBN NWBN
The Uplift War - 638pg HWBN NNBN
Brightness Reef - 661pg HNBN


Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson Total pages: 1,957

Red Mars - 572pg HNBN NWBN
Green Mars - 624pg HWBN NNBN
Blue Mars - 761pg HWBN


message 2: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Apr 01, 2021 06:17AM) (new)

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*** 1,800pg - 1,500pg

Dune Chronicles by Frank Herbert Total pages: 1,796
Dune - 604pg HWBN NWBN
Dune Messiah - 330pg
Children of Dune - 408pg HNBN
God Emperor of Dune - 454pg



Dragonriders of Pern by Anne McCaffrey Total pages: 1,787

Dragonflight - 299pg
Dragonquest - 330pg HNBN
The White Dragon - 468pg HNBN
Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern - 286pg HNBN
All the Weyrs of Pern - 404pg HNBN


New Crobuzon by China Miéville Total pages: 1,777

Perdido Street Station - 623pg HNBN NNBN
The Scar - 578pg HNBN
Iron Council - 576pg HNBN



Newsflesh Trilogy by Mira Grant Total pages: 1,695
Feed - 599pg HNBN
Deadline - 584pg HNBN
Blackout - 512pg HNBN



The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe Total pages: 1,656

The Shadow of the Torturer - 262pg NNBN
The Claw of the Conciliator - 303pg HNBN NWBN
The Sword of the Lictor - 279pg HNBN NNBN
The Citadel of the Autarch - 440pg NNBN
The Urth of the New Sun - 372pg HNBN


Lensman by E.E. "Doc" Smith Total pages: 1,590

Triplanetary - 287pg
First Lensman - 304pg HNBN
Galactic Patrol - 273pg HNBN [Retro]
Gray Lensman - 306pg HNBN [Retro]
Second Stage Lensman - 420pg HNBN [Retro]

Robot by Isaac Asimov Total pages: 2,945

I, Robot - 224pg
The Caves of Steel - 206pg HNBN
The Naked Sun - 206pg
The Robots of Dawn - 435pg HNBN
Robots and Empire - 512pg


The Queendom of Sol by Wil McCarthy Total pages: 1,580

The Collapsium - 428pg NNBN
The Wellstone - 368pg
Lost in Transmission - 384pg
To Crush the Moon - 400pg NNBN


Remembrance of the Earth's Past by Liu Cixin Total pages: 1,516
The Three-Body Problem - 400pg HWBN NNBN
The Dark Forest - 512pg
Death's End - 604pg HNBN



message 3: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Jul 28, 2020 02:32AM) (new)

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*** 1,400pg - 1,200pg

Snow Queen Cycle by Joan D. Vinge Total pages: 1,420

The Snow Queen - 448pg HWBN NNBN
World's End - 284pg
The Summer Queen - 688pg HNBN

Inheritance Trilogy by N.K. Jemisin Total pages: 1,418

The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms 421pg HNBN NNBN
The Broken Kingdoms - 384pg
The Kingdom of Gods - 613pg NNBN

Ambergris by Jeff VanderMeer Total pages: 1,388

City of Saints and Madmen - 704pg
Shriek: An Afterword - 352pg
Finch - 332pg NNBN

Zones of Thought by Vernor Vinge Total pages: 1,385

A Fire Upon the Deep - 613pg HWBN NNBN
A Deepness in the Sky - 775pg HWBN NNBN


Old Man's War by John Scalzi Total pages: 1,349

Old Man's War - 351pg HNBN
The Ghost Brigades - 347pg
The Last Colony - 320pg HNBN
Zoe's Tale - 331pg HNBN

Grimnoir Chronicles by Larry Correia Total pages: 1,321

Hard Magic - 423pg
Spellbound - 448pg
Warbound - 448pg HNBN

Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card Total pages: 1,298

Ender's Game - 324pg HWBN NWBN
Speaker for the Dead - 382 HWBN NWBN
Xenocide - 592pg HNBN

The Broken Earth by N.K. Jemisin Total pages: 1,294

The Fifth Season - 468pg HWBN NNBN
The Obelisk Gate - 410pg HWBN NNBN
The Stone Sky - 416pg HNBN NNBN


Blackout/All Clear by Connie Willis Total pages: 1,266
Blackout - 610pg HWBN NWBN
All Clear - 656pg HWBN NWBN


message 4: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited May 05, 2020 09:42AM) (new)

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*** 1,200 - 1,000pg

The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee Total Pages: 1,166

Ninefox Gambit - 384pg HNBN NNBN
Raven Stratagem - 355pg HNBN
Revenant Gun - 427pg HNBN

The Darkover Series by Marion Zimmer Bradley Total pages: 1,119

The Spell Sword 158pg
The Forbidden Tower 416pg HNBN
The Heritage of Hastur 381pg NNBN
The Sword of Aldones 164pg HNBN

Earthsea Cycle by Ursula K. Le Guin Total pages: 1,145

A Wizard of Earthsea - 183pg
The Tombs of Atuan - 180pg
The Farthest Shore - 259pg
Tehanu - 281pg NWBN
Tales from Earthsea - 280pg
The Other Wind - 211pg NNBN
[optional]The Daughter of Odren - 32pg


Helliconia by Brian W. Aldiss Total pages: 1104

Helliconia Spring - 400pg NNBN
Helliconia Summer - 400pg
Helliconia Winter - 304pg NNBN

Space Trilogy by C.S. Lewis Total pages: 1,074

Out of the Silent Planet - 224pg HNBN
Perelandra - 314pg HNBN
That Hideous Strength - 536pg HNBN

Imperial Radch by Ann Leckie Total pages: 1,072

Ancillary Justice - 386pg HWBN NWBN
Ancillary Sword - 356pg HNBN NNBN
Ancillary Mercy - 330pg HNBN NNBN


Oxford Time Travel by Connie Willis Total pages: 1,071

Doomsday Book - 578pg HWBN NWBN
To Say Nothing of the Dog - 493pg HWBN NNBN

The Book of the Long Sun by Gene Wolfe Total pages: 1,069

Nightside the Long Sun - 333pg NNBN
Lake of the Long Sun - 352pg
Caldé of the Long Sun - 384pg NNBN

Lyonesse by Jack Vance Total pages: 1,040

The Complete Lyonesse - 1040pg

Queen of Angels by Greg Bear Total Pages: 1,019

Queen of Angels - 420pg HNBN
Heads - 151pg
Moving Mars - 448pg HNBN NWBN


message 5: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Jan 26, 2020 03:49AM) (new)

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*** 1,000 - 700pg

Nanotech by Kathleen Ann Goonan Total pages: 992

Crescent City Rhapsody - 576pg NNBN
Light Music - 416pg NNBN

World of the Five Gods by Lois McMaster Bujold Total pages: 966

The Curse of Chalion - 496pg HNBN
Paladin of Souls 470pg HWBN NWBN

After Such Knowledge by James Blish Total pages: 916

Doctor Mirabilis - 318pg
Black Easter - 170pg NNBN
The Day After Judgment - 172pg
A Case of Conscience - 256pg HWBN

Metropolitan by Walter Jon Williams Total pages: 915

Metropolitan - 359pg NNBN
City on Fire - 556pg HNBN NNBN

Tales of Alvin Maker by Orson Scott Card Total pages: 894

Seventh Son - 241pg HNBN
Red Prophet - 311pg HNBN NNBN
Prentice Alvin - 342 HNBN NNBN

The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell Total pages: 882

The Sparrow - 431pg
Children of God - 451pg HNBN

Sprawl by William Gibson Total pages: 877

Neuromancer - 261pg HWBN NWBN
Count Zero - 308pg HNBN NNBN
Mona Lisa Overdrive - 308pg HNBN NNBN


Eschaton by Charles Stross Total pages: 869

Singularity Sky - 389pg HNBN
Iron Sunrise - 480pg HNBN

Earthseed by Octavia E. Butler Total pages: 793

Parable of the Sower -345pg NNBN
Parable of the Talents - 448 NWBN

Neanderthal Parallax by Robert J. Sawyer Total pages: 778

Hominids - 444pg HWBN
Humans - 334pg HNBN

Sleepless by Nancy Kress Total pages: 777

Beggars in Spain - 400pg HWBN NWBN
Beggars and Choosers - 377pg HNBN NNBN

The Once and Future King by T.H. White Total pages: 743

The Sword in the Stone - 352pg HWBN
The Witch in the Wood - 100pg
The Ill-Made Knight - 291pg HNBN

VALIS Trilogy by Philip K. Dick Total pages: 735

VALIS - 242pg
The Divine Invasion - 238pg
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer - 255pg NNBN

Ridle-Master by Patricia A. McKillip Total pages: 716

The Riddle-Master of Hed - 240pg
Heir of Sea and Fire - 213pg
Harpist in the Wind - 263pg HNBN


message 6: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Mar 06, 2019 07:58PM) (new)

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*** -700pg

Gaea by John Varley Total pages: 693

Titan - 309pg HNBN
Wizard - 384pg HNBN

Freyaverse by Charles Stross, Total pages: 681pg

Saturn's Children - 323pg HNBN
Bit Rot - 22pg Free Short Story
Neptune's Brood - 336pg HNBN

Cyteen by C.J. Cherryh

Cyteen 1-3 - 680pg HWBN


Xenowealth by Tobias S. Buckell Total pages: 668

Crystal Rain - 352pg
Ragamuffin - 316pg NNBN

The Forever War by Joe Haldeman Total pages: 629

The Forever War - 278pg HWBN NWBN
Forever Peace 351pg HWBN

Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke Total pages: 617

2001: A Space Odyssey - 297pg
2010: Odyssey Two - 320pg HNBN


Heechee Saga by Frederik Pohl Total pages: 614

Gateway - 278pg HWBN NWBN
Beyond the Blue Event Horizon - 336pg HNBN NNBN

Ringworld by Larry Niven Total pages: 595

Ringworld - 288pg HWBN NWBN
The Ringworld Engineers - 307pg HNBN

Across Realtime by Vernor Vinge Total pages: 592

The Peace War - 304pg HNBN
Marooned in Realtime - 288pg HNBN

Glamourist Histories by Mary Robinette Kowal Total pages: 539

Shades of Milk and Honey - 208pg NNBN
Glamour in Glass - 331pg NNBN

Great Alta by Jane Yolen Total pages: 528

Sister Light, Sister Dark - 256pg NNBN
White Jenna - 272pg NNBN

Vergil Magus by Avram Davidson Total pages: 459

The Phoenix and the Mirror - 275pg
Vergil in Averno - 184pg NNBN

Jupiter Project by Gregory Benford Total pages: 441

Jupiter Project - 195pg
Against Infinity - 246pg NNBN


*** To Be Determined (TBD)


===================================================

Making some headway with award-winning miniseries, there is some research involved in the decisions behind what books are necessary to be added to the list and those that are omitted, but by far it is not perfect. If there are suggestions or comments, please let me know.

The total amount of pages might allow us for easier planning when we get to nominating series as our monthly reads.


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Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
Art wrote: "Will start compiling a list of miniseries as well."

Great list to calculate the time to read these series. Do you gathered data by hand on used a script to get page totals per book? I just think about running some statistical analysis on nominees and winners (for fun) and the info can be handy


message 8: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

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Yup it's all been done by hand, glad that it is of any use to others, thanks for that comment. The reason I had to research each book at a time was not solely for the purpose of knowing how many pages each book has. I also tried reading reviews on all books related to a series, especially for cases where two books out of a trilogy won the awards, just to get general idea of what is essential for the enjoyment of the award-winning titles.

The data is not conclusive and is bound to have some mistakes in it, but I am also hoping that once we get through a series, we will be able to add to it.

For instance I would advise others against wasting time on Darwin's Children (unless they enjoyed the first novel thoroughly) since it does nothing to complete the story.


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Just a heads up, I am still working on that miniseries list I have neither finished nor abandoned it. I will try finishing up in a couple of weeks and then we can break out the bubbly.


message 10: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Apr 07, 2018 11:04AM) (new)

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Art, in looking over the lists, I see you have not put the page count for Winterfair Gifts in the Vorkosigan saga.

It's 73

You can delete this post :-)

Thanks for all the hard work


message 11: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

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Awesome, thanks for the info. Even Goodreads didn't have that info!


message 12: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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Amazon has it for all the books (of course I haven't seen ALL the books) in small letters directly under the box that says "Kindle." Look for the blue text "read more" button in the description of the book. It is immediately below that.


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I'm back at chipping away at the miniseries mess on our bookshelf. Soon we should be able to plan our reads in terms of series and get some of those out of the way.

The process is slow but I am not one to give up!


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There are still about 10 entries missing but I have already started organising them by the amount of pages, this ought to help us planning our future reads.

Make sure you check out our latest poll, your vote can make all the difference! (Not)


message 15: by Bryan, Village Idiot (new)

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Crazy awesome work, Art!


message 16: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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Agree!


message 17: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited May 12, 2018 08:06PM) (new)

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Added a missing entry, VALIS Trilogy by Philip K. Dick
2 related works to a nomination on our list.

Also added Robot series to the list, it appears to be a rather extensive list with an overwhelming amount of related material to complement mere two nominations, but I have listed all of them in case we do an Asimov "challenge" in future.


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Alright, I may now proudly announce that all the series so far known to me have been added to our list. Now all that remains is to fine-tune the existing list and keepining it updated if we find that some of the books should be removed from the related work lists or anything should be added. If you see a title on our bookshelf that is not on the list then it it most likely because it either can be read standalone or has a plot unconnected to the rest of the series.

Enjoy and keep me updated!


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Art wrote: "Alright, I may now proudly announce that all the series so far known to me have been added to our list. "

The crowd goes wild with cheers and praise screaming out "Art! Art! Art! Art!"


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Looks like I've missed a short series by Charles Stross, Freyaverse.

Added & Updated


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Hey everyone, wanted to remind all of our members than the content of this thread is a work in progress, with your help we will keep updating our list of series, both adding or removing related threads as we see the most fit.

If you know a particular series well and feel that our list is either incomplete or incorrect, feel free to point us in the right direction.

Thanks to the efforts of Kateblue we're enjoying our first challenge immensely, I believe than reading solely the award-winning title from the series would completely ruin the experience for me.

Thanks all in advance.


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*Updated*

Added latest entry of 5th Lensman novel, moved the series to the category it belongs to.

Lensman by E.E. "Doc" Smith Total pages: 1,590

Triplanetary - 287pg
First Lensman - 304pg HNBN
Galactic Patrol - 273pg HNBN [Retro]
Gray Lensman - 306pg HNBN [Retro]
Second Stage Lensman - 420pg HNBN [Retro]


message 23: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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Art, I love Charles Stross. Let's do that!


message 24: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

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Kateblue wrote: "Art, I love Charles Stross. Let's do that!"

Kate, there's so much stuff I want to read that at times I feel as if my head's about to explode. I have about 5-6 books started and each and every one of them is fantastic.

I'm really glad that you guys introduce so many wonderful authors.


message 25: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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Ditto. I am reading 4 right now, but only because I just finished one.


message 26: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
I like Charles Stross too. I've read first two of merchant princes series. At the same time his famous Accelerando was quite weak or at least uneven.


message 27: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Aug 12, 2018 06:50PM) (new)

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I stopped reading the Merchant Prince stories because, as usual, by the time the next book came out, I forgot what the previous books said. I figure I will read them all pretty soon because there have to be a bunch of them now.

I know I read Accelerando, but I don't remember a thing about it. It's like Scalzi, the only ones I remember any details about are the "Funny Ones" agent to the stars and red shirts. Yet I know I have read them all up until he started putting them out in short pieces on Amazon.


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In case any of our members have browsed this post, some of the series appear striken out. Those are the series we have already read as a group, I've decided against editing them out of the original posts because it didn't seem necessary.

By the way everyone is welcome to comment on the series in this post, so that we can keep track of the discussion.


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Was going through the list of series once again, looking for potential candidates for future challenges and noticed the Earthsea series.
I am 100% sure about all the related material being necessary to make sense of the award-winning and nominated titles, but I am not sure if Daughter of Orden should be included. Anybody else has any thoughts on that? I might remove it off the list, because it does not in any way enchance the experience of reading Tehanu and The Other Wind.


message 30: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
Maybe include it in description as an additional reading but exclude from the challenge


message 31: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (last edited Oct 31, 2018 11:58PM) (new)

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Um, Why does it matter since we already did the challenge? Is this for future readers?

What we did the last time was, I found Daughter of Orden after we had started the challenge, and you, Art, added it on. At least I think it was you. You decided that people could read either 6 or 7 to meet the challenge.

If you are setting this for future readers, I agree it could just be additional reading. At the time you selected the challenge, I don't think we had enough info to decide about Daughter of Odren. I also think that the book of short stories is unnecessary as the stories really don't have anything to do with Shadowhawk.

Also, I think it was Allen that found other Earthsea items that none of the rest of us found.

I still only really care about the first three, and the second is probably the best. To me.


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One of the ideas behind the group was not only to read the books but also to provide feedback on what we read, so that the future members and readers could have a better idea of how certain series are to be read.

I will mark down Daughters as [optional], but won't remove it from the list. As we keep reading series as a group we will keep updating this list as we see fit, so whatever feedback our members may have is more than welcome here.


message 33: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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Great, Art, you know you can always count on me for way to much feedback! :-)


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*UPDATED*

Oleksandr's brought to my attention that we were missing the first novel in the Uplift Saga series, named Sundiver. I've updated the list as follows:

The Uplift Saga by David Brin Total pages: 2,097

Sundiver - 340pg
Startide Rising - 458pg HWBN NWBN
The Uplift War - 638pg HWBN NNBN
Brightness Reef - 661pg HNBN


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Cynthia Wheaton | 169 comments What about the second and third books of the second trilogy? Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach.


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Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
Cynthia wrote: "What about the second and third books of the second trilogy? Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach."

I looked up here on GR and Brightness Reef together with Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach are both the '2nd trilogy' and books 4-6 of the overall series. If you are aware how independent are the trilogies please inform


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Cynthia Wheaton | 169 comments It's been a long time since I read them, so I may be wrong. But I think the second trilogy is set in the same universe and focuses on Earthclan characters, but none of the same characters from the first trilogy. The second trilogy, unlike the first, is a continuous story rather than three unrelated stories. I think...


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Cynthia Wheaton | 169 comments BTW If you are very interested in the uplift concept... A payload of monkeys and a virus that speeds up evolution intended as an uplift project on a terraformed world is the beginning of the story of Children of Time, by Adrian Tchaikovsky, and the science ship sent to carry out that mission is the Brin2. And David Brin briefly revisits his uplift idea with dolphins in his later novel, Existence.


message 39: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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BTW also, the Children of Time won the 2016 Arthur C. Clarke Award. Per Wikipedia, it's a "British award given for the best science fiction novel first published in the United Kingdom during the previous year."


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Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
Children of Time is a great book. I have plans to read more books by Adrian Tchaikovsky. So far it seems that the fact that he haven't been nominated for Hugo for best novel simply because he is on the other side of the pond. There could be a lot of people, who push for broader representation of women and POC in Hugo/Nebula (which maybe a right thing to do), but almost none for non-US English-speaking authors, I don't even start about translations!


message 41: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

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Cynthia wrote: "What about the second and third books of the second trilogy? Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach."

Thank you for raising this point!

Mostly we are adding non award-winning novels to our reading lists in cases where skipping a book will take away from the enjoyment of reading the award nominated and winning books of the same series.

So adding 1st book of the trilogy is essential related material, while adding 4th and 5th doesn't necessarily mean it will add anything to the novels on our reading list.

That being said, since it's a trilogy, sequels might as well be essential reading material that tell the complete story.

I suppose we will know more once we start reading and if more members will add to the discussion.


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*UPDATED*

The Oxford Time Travel series is over 2k pages now that we've added Blackout/All Clear to the list. This is what is looks like now:

Oxford Time Travel by Connie Willis Total pages: 2,377

Doomsday Book - 578pg HWBN NWBN
To Say Nothing of the Dog - 493pg HWBN NNBN
Blackout - 610pg HWBN NWBN
All Clear - 656pg HWBN NWBN


message 43: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

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well, that is obviously too long for a month . . . Maybe do the first two one month and the others the next?

I'm sorry, but I cannot remember--how many pages were are aiming for in a month?


message 44: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

Art | 2551 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "well, that is obviously too long for a month . . . Maybe do the first two one month and the others the next?

I'm sorry, but I cannot remember--how many pages were are aiming for in a month?"


We'll cross that bridge when we'll get to it, no rush. Luckily we have plenty of material to read!


message 45: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Mar 06, 2019 08:06PM) (new)

Art | 2551 comments Mod
Once Hugo nominee list comes out I ought to make sure that there are no new miniseries on our reading list. I believe there are already a couple of entries that fall under that category.


message 46: by Kateblue, 2nd star to the right and straight on til morning (new)

Kateblue | 3667 comments Mod
There are several items that connect onto The Calculating Stars besides the followup The Fated Sky . there's a novella and I think there's a short story out there


message 47: by Oleksandr, a.k.a. Z (new)

Oleksandr Zholud | 3472 comments Mod
Kateblue wrote: "There are several items that connect onto The Calculating Stars besides the followup The Fated Sky . there's a novella and I think there's a short story out there"

Yes, short story is available on the author's site. Initial novella, The Lady Astronaut of Mars won Hugo a few years back


message 48: by Antti (new)

Antti Värtö (andekn) | 748 comments Just skimmed the list and I spotted one omission:

>Earthseed by Octavia E. Butler Total pages: 793
>Parable of the Sower -345pg
>Parable of the Talents - 448 NWBN

Parable of the Sower is missing nomination info, should be NNBN.


message 49: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (new)

Art | 2551 comments Mod
Thanks Antti, I will fix it later in the day.


message 50: by Art, Stay home, stay safe. (last edited Apr 05, 2019 07:11AM) (new)

Art | 2551 comments Mod
*UPDATED*

Added:

The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee Total Pages: 1,166

Ninefox Gambit - 384pg HNBN NNBN
Raven Stratagem - 355pg HNBN
Revenant Gun - 427pg HNBN

Revenant Gun may still get a Hugo nomination, so it's yet possible that all three books will end up on our reading list.


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