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Dune - 604pg HWBN NWBN
Dune Messiah - 330pg
Children of Dune - 408pg HNBN
God Emperor of Dune - 454pg
Dragonriders of Pern by Anne McCaffrey Total pages: 1,787
Dragonflight - 299pg
Dragonquest - 330pg HNBN
The White Dragon - 468pg HNBN
Moreta: Dragonlady of Pern - 286pg HNBN
All the Weyrs of Pern - 404pg HNBN
Perdido Street Station - 623pg HNBN NNBN
The Scar - 578pg HNBN
Iron Council - 576pg HNBN
Feed - 599pg HNBN
Deadline - 584pg HNBN
Blackout - 512pg HNBN
The Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe Total pages: 1,656
The Shadow of the Torturer - 262pg NNBN
The Claw of the Conciliator - 303pg HNBN NWBN
The Sword of the Lictor - 279pg HNBN NNBN
The Citadel of the Autarch - 440pg NNBN
The Urth of the New Sun - 372pg HNBN
Lensman by E.E. "Doc" Smith Total pages: 1,590
Triplanetary - 287pg
First Lensman - 304pg HNBN
Galactic Patrol - 273pg HNBN [Retro]
Gray Lensman - 306pg HNBN [Retro]
Second Stage Lensman - 420pg HNBN [Retro]
Robot by Isaac Asimov Total pages: 2,945
I, Robot - 224pg
The Caves of Steel - 206pg HNBN
The Naked Sun - 206pg
The Robots of Dawn - 435pg HNBN
Robots and Empire - 512pg
The Queendom of Sol by Wil McCarthy Total pages: 1,580
The Collapsium - 428pg NNBN
The Wellstone - 368pg
Lost in Transmission - 384pg
To Crush the Moon - 400pg NNBN
The Three-Body Problem - 400pg HWBN NNBN
The Dark Forest - 512pg
Death's End - 604pg HNBN
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Snow Queen Cycle by Joan D. Vinge Total pages: 1,420
The Snow Queen - 448pg HWBN NNBN
World's End - 284pg
The Summer Queen - 688pg HNBN
Inheritance Trilogy by N.K. Jemisin Total pages: 1,418
The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms 421pg HNBN NNBN
The Broken Kingdoms - 384pg
The Kingdom of Gods - 613pg NNBN
Ambergris by Jeff VanderMeer Total pages: 1,388
City of Saints and Madmen - 704pg
Shriek: An Afterword - 352pg
Finch - 332pg NNBN
A Fire Upon the Deep - 613pg HWBN NNBN
A Deepness in the Sky - 775pg HWBN NNBN
Old Man's War by John Scalzi Total pages: 1,349
Old Man's War - 351pg HNBN
The Ghost Brigades - 347pg
The Last Colony - 320pg HNBN
Zoe's Tale - 331pg HNBN
Grimnoir Chronicles by Larry Correia Total pages: 1,321
Hard Magic - 423pg
Spellbound - 448pg
Warbound - 448pg HNBN
Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card Total pages: 1,298
Ender's Game - 324pg HWBN NWBN
Speaker for the Dead - 382 HWBN NWBN
Xenocide - 592pg HNBN
The Fifth Season - 468pg HWBN NNBN
The Obelisk Gate - 410pg HWBN NNBN
The Stone Sky - 416pg HNBN NNBN
Blackout/All Clear by Connie Willis Total pages: 1,266
Blackout - 610pg HWBN NWBN
All Clear - 656pg HWBN NWBN
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The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee Total Pages: 1,166
Ninefox Gambit - 384pg HNBN NNBN
Raven Stratagem - 355pg HNBN
Revenant Gun - 427pg HNBN
The Darkover Series by Marion Zimmer Bradley Total pages: 1,119
The Spell Sword 158pg
The Forbidden Tower 416pg HNBN
The Heritage of Hastur 381pg NNBN
The Sword of Aldones 164pg HNBN
A Wizard of Earthsea - 183pg
The Tombs of Atuan - 180pg
The Farthest Shore - 259pg
Tehanu - 281pg NWBN
Tales from Earthsea - 280pg
The Other Wind - 211pg NNBN
[optional]The Daughter of Odren - 32pg
Helliconia by Brian W. Aldiss Total pages: 1104
Helliconia Spring - 400pg NNBN
Helliconia Summer - 400pg
Helliconia Winter - 304pg NNBN
Space Trilogy by C.S. Lewis Total pages: 1,074
Out of the Silent Planet - 224pg HNBN
Perelandra - 314pg HNBN
That Hideous Strength - 536pg HNBN
Ancillary Justice - 386pg HWBN NWBN
Ancillary Sword - 356pg HNBN NNBN
Ancillary Mercy - 330pg HNBN NNBN
Oxford Time Travel by Connie Willis Total pages: 1,071
Doomsday Book - 578pg HWBN NWBN
To Say Nothing of the Dog - 493pg HWBN NNBN
The Book of the Long Sun by Gene Wolfe Total pages: 1,069
Nightside the Long Sun - 333pg NNBN
Lake of the Long Sun - 352pg
Caldé of the Long Sun - 384pg NNBN
Lyonesse by Jack Vance Total pages: 1,040
The Complete Lyonesse - 1040pg
Queen of Angels by Greg Bear Total Pages: 1,019
Queen of Angels - 420pg HNBN
Heads - 151pg
Moving Mars - 448pg HNBN NWBN
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Nanotech by Kathleen Ann Goonan Total pages: 992
Crescent City Rhapsody - 576pg NNBN
Light Music - 416pg NNBN
The Curse of Chalion - 496pg HNBN
Paladin of Souls 470pg HWBN NWBN
After Such Knowledge by James Blish Total pages: 916
Doctor Mirabilis - 318pg
Black Easter - 170pg NNBN
The Day After Judgment - 172pg
A Case of Conscience - 256pg HWBN
Metropolitan by Walter Jon Williams Total pages: 915
Metropolitan - 359pg NNBN
City on Fire - 556pg HNBN NNBN
Tales of Alvin Maker by Orson Scott Card Total pages: 894
Seventh Son - 241pg HNBN
Red Prophet - 311pg HNBN NNBN
Prentice Alvin - 342 HNBN NNBN
The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell Total pages: 882
The Sparrow - 431pg
Children of God - 451pg HNBN
Neuromancer - 261pg HWBN NWBN
Count Zero - 308pg HNBN NNBN
Mona Lisa Overdrive - 308pg HNBN NNBN
Eschaton by Charles Stross Total pages: 869
Singularity Sky - 389pg HNBN
Iron Sunrise - 480pg HNBN
Earthseed by Octavia E. Butler Total pages: 793
Parable of the Sower -345pg NNBN
Parable of the Talents - 448 NWBN
Neanderthal Parallax by Robert J. Sawyer Total pages: 778
Hominids - 444pg HWBN
Humans - 334pg HNBN
Sleepless by Nancy Kress Total pages: 777
Beggars in Spain - 400pg HWBN NWBN
Beggars and Choosers - 377pg HNBN NNBN
The Once and Future King by T.H. White Total pages: 743
The Sword in the Stone - 352pg HWBN
The Witch in the Wood - 100pg
The Ill-Made Knight - 291pg HNBN
VALIS Trilogy by Philip K. Dick Total pages: 735
VALIS - 242pg
The Divine Invasion - 238pg
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer - 255pg NNBN
Ridle-Master by Patricia A. McKillip Total pages: 716
The Riddle-Master of Hed - 240pg
Heir of Sea and Fire - 213pg
Harpist in the Wind - 263pg HNBN
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Gaea by John Varley Total pages: 693
Titan - 309pg HNBN
Wizard - 384pg HNBN
Freyaverse by Charles Stross, Total pages: 681pg
Saturn's Children - 323pg HNBN
Bit Rot - 22pg Free Short Story
Neptune's Brood - 336pg HNBN
Cyteen 1-3 - 680pg HWBN
Xenowealth by Tobias S. Buckell Total pages: 668
Crystal Rain - 352pg
Ragamuffin - 316pg NNBN
The Forever War by Joe Haldeman Total pages: 629
The Forever War - 278pg HWBN NWBN
Forever Peace 351pg HWBN
2001: A Space Odyssey - 297pg
2010: Odyssey Two - 320pg HNBN
Heechee Saga by Frederik Pohl Total pages: 614
Gateway - 278pg HWBN NWBN
Beyond the Blue Event Horizon - 336pg HNBN NNBN
Ringworld by Larry Niven Total pages: 595
Ringworld - 288pg HWBN NWBN
The Ringworld Engineers - 307pg HNBN
Across Realtime by Vernor Vinge Total pages: 592
The Peace War - 304pg HNBN
Marooned in Realtime - 288pg HNBN
Glamourist Histories by Mary Robinette Kowal Total pages: 539
Shades of Milk and Honey - 208pg NNBN
Glamour in Glass - 331pg NNBN
Great Alta by Jane Yolen Total pages: 528
Sister Light, Sister Dark - 256pg NNBN
White Jenna - 272pg NNBN
Vergil Magus by Avram Davidson Total pages: 459
The Phoenix and the Mirror - 275pg
Vergil in Averno - 184pg NNBN
Jupiter Project by Gregory Benford Total pages: 441
Jupiter Project - 195pg
Against Infinity - 246pg NNBN
*** To Be Determined (TBD)
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Making some headway with award-winning miniseries, there is some research involved in the decisions behind what books are necessary to be added to the list and those that are omitted, but by far it is not perfect. If there are suggestions or comments, please let me know.
The total amount of pages might allow us for easier planning when we get to nominating series as our monthly reads.
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Great list to calculate the time to read these series. Do you gathered data by hand on used a script to get page totals per book? I just think about running some statistical analysis on nominees and winners (for fun) and the info can be handy
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The data is not conclusive and is bound to have some mistakes in it, but I am also hoping that once we get through a series, we will be able to add to it.
For instance I would advise others against wasting time on Darwin's Children (unless they enjoyed the first novel thoroughly) since it does nothing to complete the story.
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It's 73
You can delete this post :-)
Thanks for all the hard work
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The process is slow but I am not one to give up!
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Make sure you check out our latest poll, your vote can make all the difference! (Not)
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2 related works to a nomination on our list.
Also added Robot series to the list, it appears to be a rather extensive list with an overwhelming amount of related material to complement mere two nominations, but I have listed all of them in case we do an Asimov "challenge" in future.
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Enjoy and keep me updated!
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The crowd goes wild with cheers and praise screaming out "Art! Art! Art! Art!"
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If you know a particular series well and feel that our list is either incomplete or incorrect, feel free to point us in the right direction.
Thanks to the efforts of Kateblue we're enjoying our first challenge immensely, I believe than reading solely the award-winning title from the series would completely ruin the experience for me.
Thanks all in advance.
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Added latest entry of 5th Lensman novel, moved the series to the category it belongs to.
Lensman by E.E. "Doc" Smith Total pages: 1,590
Triplanetary - 287pg
First Lensman - 304pg HNBN
Galactic Patrol - 273pg HNBN [Retro]
Gray Lensman - 306pg HNBN [Retro]
Second Stage Lensman - 420pg HNBN [Retro]
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Kate, there's so much stuff I want to read that at times I feel as if my head's about to explode. I have about 5-6 books started and each and every one of them is fantastic.
I'm really glad that you guys introduce so many wonderful authors.
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I know I read Accelerando, but I don't remember a thing about it. It's like Scalzi, the only ones I remember any details about are the "Funny Ones" agent to the stars and red shirts. Yet I know I have read them all up until he started putting them out in short pieces on Amazon.
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By the way everyone is welcome to comment on the series in this post, so that we can keep track of the discussion.
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I am 100% sure about all the related material being necessary to make sense of the award-winning and nominated titles, but I am not sure if Daughter of Orden should be included. Anybody else has any thoughts on that? I might remove it off the list, because it does not in any way enchance the experience of reading Tehanu and The Other Wind.
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What we did the last time was, I found Daughter of Orden after we had started the challenge, and you, Art, added it on. At least I think it was you. You decided that people could read either 6 or 7 to meet the challenge.
If you are setting this for future readers, I agree it could just be additional reading. At the time you selected the challenge, I don't think we had enough info to decide about Daughter of Odren. I also think that the book of short stories is unnecessary as the stories really don't have anything to do with Shadowhawk.
Also, I think it was Allen that found other Earthsea items that none of the rest of us found.
I still only really care about the first three, and the second is probably the best. To me.
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I will mark down Daughters as [optional], but won't remove it from the list. As we keep reading series as a group we will keep updating this list as we see fit, so whatever feedback our members may have is more than welcome here.
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Oleksandr's brought to my attention that we were missing the first novel in the Uplift Saga series, named Sundiver. I've updated the list as follows:
The Uplift Saga by David Brin Total pages: 2,097
Sundiver - 340pg
Startide Rising - 458pg HWBN NWBN
The Uplift War - 638pg HWBN NNBN
Brightness Reef - 661pg HNBN
What about the second and third books of the second trilogy? Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach.
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I looked up here on GR and Brightness Reef together with Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach are both the '2nd trilogy' and books 4-6 of the overall series. If you are aware how independent are the trilogies please inform
It's been a long time since I read them, so I may be wrong. But I think the second trilogy is set in the same universe and focuses on Earthclan characters, but none of the same characters from the first trilogy. The second trilogy, unlike the first, is a continuous story rather than three unrelated stories. I think...
BTW If you are very interested in the uplift concept... A payload of monkeys and a virus that speeds up evolution intended as an uplift project on a terraformed world is the beginning of the story of Children of Time, by Adrian Tchaikovsky, and the science ship sent to carry out that mission is the Brin2. And David Brin briefly revisits his uplift idea with dolphins in his later novel, Existence.
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Thank you for raising this point!
Mostly we are adding non award-winning novels to our reading lists in cases where skipping a book will take away from the enjoyment of reading the award nominated and winning books of the same series.
So adding 1st book of the trilogy is essential related material, while adding 4th and 5th doesn't necessarily mean it will add anything to the novels on our reading list.
That being said, since it's a trilogy, sequels might as well be essential reading material that tell the complete story.
I suppose we will know more once we start reading and if more members will add to the discussion.
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The Oxford Time Travel series is over 2k pages now that we've added Blackout/All Clear to the list. This is what is looks like now:
Oxford Time Travel by Connie Willis Total pages: 2,377
Doomsday Book - 578pg HWBN NWBN
To Say Nothing of the Dog - 493pg HWBN NNBN
Blackout - 610pg HWBN NWBN
All Clear - 656pg HWBN NWBN
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I'm sorry, but I cannot remember--how many pages were are aiming for in a month?
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I'm sorry, but I cannot remember--how many pages were are aiming for in a month?"
We'll cross that bridge when we'll get to it, no rush. Luckily we have plenty of material to read!
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Yes, short story is available on the author's site. Initial novella, The Lady Astronaut of Mars won Hugo a few years back
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>Earthseed by Octavia E. Butler Total pages: 793
>Parable of the Sower -345pg
>Parable of the Talents - 448 NWBN
Parable of the Sower is missing nomination info, should be NNBN.
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The Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee Total Pages: 1,166
Ninefox Gambit - 384pg HNBN NNBN
Raven Stratagem - 355pg HNBN
Revenant Gun - 427pg HNBN
Revenant Gun may still get a Hugo nomination, so it's yet possible that all three books will end up on our reading list.
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HWBN - Hugo Winner for the Best Novel
HNBN - Hugo Nominee for the Best Novel
NWBN - Nebula Winner for the Best Novel
NNBN - Nebula Nominee for the Best Novel
HBnv - Hugo for Best Novelette
NBnv - Nebila for Best Novelette
Here's the comprehensive list of series that we know how to deal with:
*** 2,000pg+
Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan Total pages: 11,537
The Eye of the World - 814pg HNBN
The Great Hunt - 705pg HNBN
The Dragon Reborn - 624pg HNBN
The Shadow Rising - 1007pg HNBN
The Fires of Heaven - 912pg HNBN
Lord of Chaos - 1011 pg HNBN
A Crown of Swords - 880pg HNBN
The Path of Daggers - 685pg HNBN
Winter's Heart - 780pg HNBN
Crossroads of Twilight - 704pg HNBN
Knife of Dreams - 860pg HNBN
The Gathering Storm - 783pg HNBN
Towers of Midnight - 863pg HNBN
A Memory of Light - 909pg HNBN
* Dresden Files by Jim Butcher Total pages: 6,574
Dresden Files Vol 1-14 - 6,118pages *no awards
Skin Game - 456pg HNBN
Vorkosigan Saga by Lois McMaster Bujold Total pages: 6,100
Falling Free 288pg NWBN
Shards of Honor 313pg
Barrayar 336pg HWBN
The Warrior's Apprentice 372pg
The Mountains of Mourning 112pg HBnv, NBnv
The Vor Game 346pg HWBN
Cetaganda 302pg
Labyrinth 91pg
The Borders of Infinity 78pg
Brothers in Arms 338pg
Mirror Dance 560pg HWBN
Memory 509pg HNBN , NNBN
Komarr 384pg
A Civil Campaign 544pg HNBN , NNBN
Winterfair Gifts - 73pg HBnv
Diplomatic Immunity 367pg NNBN
Captain Vorpatril's Alliance 422pg HNBN
CryoBurn 345pg HNBN
Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen 352pg
Game of Thrones by George R.R. Martin Total pages: 4,972
A Game of Thrones - 848pg NNBN
A Clash of Kings - 761pg NNBN
A Storm of Swords - 1177pg HNBN NNBN
A Feast for Crows - 1061pg HNBN
A Dance with Dragons - 1125pg HNBN
Tales of the Terran Republic by Charles E. Gannon Total pages: 2,940pg
Fire with Fire - 496pg NNBN
Trial by Fire - 640pg NNBN
Raising Caine - 548pg NNBN
Caine's Mutiny - 756pg
Marque of Caine - 500pg NNBN
Foundation by Isaac Asimov Total pages: 2,662
Prelude to Foundation - 464pg
Forward the Foundation - 464pg
Foundation - 244pg
Foundation and Empire - 256pg
Second Foundation - 256pg
Foundation's Edge - 450pg HWBN NNBN
Foundation and Earth - 528pg
Alex Benedict by Jack McDevitt Total pages: 2,567
A Talent for War - 310pg
Polaris - 384pg NNBN
Seeker - 373pg NWBN
The Devil's Eye - 368pg
Echo - 371pg NNBN
Firebird - 375 NNBN
Coming Home - 386pg NNBN
The Academy by Jack McDevitt Total pages: 2,351
The Engines of God - 419pg
Deepsix - 502pg
Chindi - 511pg NNBN
Omega - 493pg NNBN
Odyssey - 416pg NNBN
Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons Total pages: 2,267
Hyperion - 482pg HWBN
The Fall of Hyperion - 517pg HNBN NNBN
Endymion - 568pg
The Rise of Endymion - 709pg HNBN
The Uplift Saga by David Brin Total pages: 2,097
Sundiver - 340pg
Startide Rising - 458pg HWBN NWBN
The Uplift War - 638pg HWBN NNBN
Brightness Reef - 661pg HNBN
Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson Total pages: 1,957
Red Mars - 572pg HNBN NWBN
Green Mars - 624pg HWBN NNBN
Blue Mars - 761pg HWBN