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jonathan, i need your help! (Everyone's Captions), Not Visiting Belgium
There's a Jonathan topic? I'm so here.
another difficult one:
according to the author this is 'de aardappeloogst op de veluwe' by jozef israëls (1878).
well, the first one is titled: you spent how much on the cradle? the second one is: the wooden shoes made the smith family parade more fun but they severely underestimated the spectator draw
thank you kevin, that's very useful information. i think we can print that.
i figured out that first one is by christoffel bisschop, still no luck finding it though.
lol! Kevin, did you think this was the OZ thread?! Good luck, Janine and Jonathan.
Hi Janine, How nice that you're working on an art book.Nicely done identifying the first one as Bisschop. A very obscure artist. But the cradle is a giveaway. He painted that exact one several times.
The second one is very typical Jozef Israëls.
Now that you've identified these, what is it that you need my help with? Finding the dimensions? Current whereabouts of the paintings? Hi-res images? Just let me know.
sorry janine. all i had was smart*** remarks. not that helpful [doing puppy dog eyes for forgiveness]
I think we could use a whole thread of Kevin's captions on pieces of art. Those were great.
Jonathan wrote: "Hi Janine, How nice that you're working on an art book.Nicely done identifying the first one as Bisschop. A very obscure artist. But the cradle is a giveaway. He painted that exact one several ti..."
i'm not working on an art book. too bad :(
what i need help with is finding the current whereabouts of the paintings, and who owns them, so we can find out what it will cost to use them as illustrations in a book. the author is apparently a huge fan of israëls because he wants to use a few of his paintings.
Kevin "El Liso Grande" wrote: "sorry janine. all i had was smart*** remarks. not that helpful [doing puppy dog eyes for forgiveness]"i thought they were funny :)
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And I think the first painting is unbearably sad.
It is very sad. Kevin is a genius, though.
janine wrote: "what i need help with is finding the current whereabouts of the paintings, and who owns them, so we can find out what it will cost to use them as illustrations in a book. the author is apparently a huge fan of israëls because he wants to use a few of his paintings. "The first painting is in the Amsterdams Historisch Museum:
Christoffel Bisschop (1828-1904)
De Heer heeft gegeven, de Heer heeft genomen
(schilderij) Amsterdam, Amsterdams Historisch Museum, inv.nr. SA 129
The second one, I haven't been able to locate. You might want to check your university library for books on Israëls or visit the RKD in The Hague to look through their files of photographs (only a tiny portion of which are online). You might also ask the writer where he got the image that you've just shown me. If it's in a book, there may be additional information. Likewise, you might ask him to substitute a different work by Israëls on the same theme (there are a lot) but from a collection that you can identify.
Sally wrote: "And I think the first painting is unbearably sad."It is sad, Sally. The title translates roughly to "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away." I think it's meant to be a scene of crib death.
the problem is the writer hasn't kept the sources of the material he wants to use. figuring everything out will be a lot of work. i've already thought about replacing the israëls with something similar. this one might work:
h.w. mesdag - de aardappeloogst
thank you for finding the bisschop!
Beautiful paintings!
janine wrote: "this one might work..."It's a nice image. I guess it depends whether the author was looking for an illustration of 19th-century potato harvesting or of something by Jozef Israëls, perhaps specifically showing his sentimental streak. Personally I like Mesdag a lot, a wonderful artist, but a very different temperament from Israëls.
that's true. we'll see how far the publisher is willing to go to please the author.
one more question: what's the best way to look for a painting's whereabouts? i'm assuming there's a more sophisticated way to do it than just using google.
janine wrote: "one more question: what's the best way to look for a painting's whereabouts? i'm assuming there's a more sophisticated way to do it than just using google."The sophisticated way is to use google, but do it while wearing spats and a monocle.
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#19 - tom and edna woke up hungover on a monday around 11-ish to find the rest of the wagon train had split early. there was a rudimentary written note attached to the harness that said "pull this mofo yourself b****". on the plus side, they did find edna's bloomers slung over the wheel
janine wrote: "one more question: what's the best way to look for a painting's whereabouts? i'm assuming there's a more sophisticated way to do it than just using google."Using the internet, the best resource is the RKD website -- http://website.rkd.nl/Databases -- which is unfortunately a bit difficult to navigate. Go to the section marked "databases," and then navigate to the database called "RKD artists." Type in the artist's surname, and then a bunch of different variants of that name will come up. You have to find the "preferred variant," under which all of the biographical and image information for that artist will be filed. Click on that variant, and then you'll see a certain number of "hits" listed for that artist--books about him or her in the RKD library, images in the online database, etc. At that point, follow the link for the image "hits" and you'll be able to see what's available online. But do bear in mind that what's online is just a tiny fraction of what's in the physical files at the RKD, so making a trip to the facility can also be very helpful.
If you read German, I could also recommend the Deutsches Dokumentationszentrum für Kunstgeschichte - Bildarchiv Foto Marburg, which works in a very similar way to the RKD database but sometimes has things online that the RKD doesn't: http://www.fotomarburg.de/
At a good art reference library, you'll also be able to find books that catalogue all the known works by an artist--this type of book is called a catalogue raisonné--but they only tend to exist for major artists. So there might be a catalogue raisonné for Jozef Israëls, but probably there wouldn't be one for Bisschop.
Many libraries can also give you access to subscription database services of auction records, which could also be helpful if the work you're looking for has been sold at auction in the recent past. In theory, you could get the photo you need (and repro rights) from the auction house. This only works for artists who have been dead for more than 70 years, not for contemporary artists, by the way, because of copyright law. But it's worth keeping in mind, because auction houses and dealers charge next to nothing for repro rights to their photos, whereas museums generally charge a lot.
thanks jonathan, i'll try those websites if i come across more paintings. i might just buy a monocle and spats too, just to be sure.
Spats are fine, but a pince-nez would be preferable to a monocle for looking at paintings as it would allow for better depth perception.
depth perception? i could use some of that.here's one more for kevin:
by johan scherrewitz
"things at the car wash were slow for earl and jeremiah for the first 75 years until the car was invented, but they had a great location and the water was free"
That's a good one Kevin. I thought it was called "Man Searching for his Feet in the Sand with a Pointy Stick."
Pa watched ma carving what looked like a pistol out of a potato for about 3 hours until he said "what the hell you doing ma?"
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Kevin never fails to put a smile on my face.
Agree. Kevin and Jonathan could have their own variety hour.
Kevin! Thanks for the laughs! I would pay to see the Jonathan/Kevin/Clark show.
#34 - due to the excitement of actually seeing the cocaine unloaded from the ship to the awaiting wagon and the money changing hands special DEA agent greta benschoter dropped her revolver into the water as she was ready to shout "freeze scuzzballs!!!"
*Anxiously awaits response*
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I love this thread! I'm enjoying both the art, and the captions. :)
Lobstergirl wrote: "This should be good. Wtf is the guy on the far left doing? I hope that's not a 17th century kleenex."He's doing blow. Either that or he's going to shoot a snot rocket.
I'm sure Kevin will have an explanation for that gesture. In the meantime he can also ponder a caption for this:[image error]
Gabriel Metsu
OMG! I can't wait for Kevin to come back, and caption that drug deal going down!
#41 - "Accustomed to the street geeze that normally was cut with benzocane and lidicane, Antoon got both barrels of the good Bolivian party blow much to the delight of his buds at De Hems on a Saturday night"
#47 - Inge strained to keep a straight face and look busy as yet another sucker fell for the ol curtain in front of a painting trick. The feckin' dog yapping just about gave it away every time.
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i'm working on the illustrations for a book and have a box with pictures that i'm looking for sources of. maybe you can help me :)
i can't find this one online:
title (according to author) 'de heere heeft gegeven en genomen'
painter unknown