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What Else Are You Reading in 2018?
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Tamora Pierce writes great stories about strong women (and men). Little girls need strong role models. Alanna, Beka, Dane, Sandry and Tris (among others) are strong role models.
My son loved them so much that he’s 29 next week and still loves them and he wants her new one for his Birthday.

There was a thread in Recommendations about sci fi books for a 10 year old, but there were a few fantasy suggestions in there. here is a link. https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
If you think the Lioness books might be a little too much for her, Tamora Pierce has other books that would still be great for an 11 year old. The protector of the small quartet was one of my favorite series growing up, and even though I'm 30 I just re-read it last year. There was no sex in it, and it's a great book showing a strong female protagonist overcoming adversity. The first book is Page. She also has books set in another world that are for younger readers. There are 3 series, with the first being the Circle of Magic. The first book is Tris's Book, and it is definitely appropriate for children. I haven't read the next two series, but judging from the first 4 books, they should be great for an 11 year old.



Read some great ones already this year. "Iron Gold" by Pierce Brown, "The Bear & the Nightingale" by Katherine Arden and "Children if Time" by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Also Expanse VII, "Persepolis Rising".
Currently on "Rivers of London" by Ben Aronovitch and "Annihilation" by Jeff Vandermeer.
Ashley wrote: "That’s great info Bobby, thanks! I’m wanting to give my Song of the Lioness books to my daughters but haven’t decided at what age would be appropriate, but it’s great to know that there are others ..."
I read the Tamora Pierce books at 11 first (I'm pretty sure each of the Tortall series touches on sex but never in an explicit way. It will say things like "they share a bedroll" and that's that). The Magic Circle books are safe a little younger but are still good reads for preteens.
Re: Tortall books, I think the way the relationships are explored are a waaaay healthier read for a kid on the edge of puberty than say Twilight, but I also find discussion of safe, consensual sex to be something we should talk to kids about younger than 18, so obviously YMMV. HIGHLY recommend the books though! I just gifted the Lioness books and the Magic Circle to a 9 and 6 year old, with their mom's approval, of course!
I read the Tamora Pierce books at 11 first (I'm pretty sure each of the Tortall series touches on sex but never in an explicit way. It will say things like "they share a bedroll" and that's that). The Magic Circle books are safe a little younger but are still good reads for preteens.
Re: Tortall books, I think the way the relationships are explored are a waaaay healthier read for a kid on the edge of puberty than say Twilight, but I also find discussion of safe, consensual sex to be something we should talk to kids about younger than 18, so obviously YMMV. HIGHLY recommend the books though! I just gifted the Lioness books and the Magic Circle to a 9 and 6 year old, with their mom's approval, of course!

I was a Mum who wouldn’t let my kids watch movies and TV shows until they were old enough to watch them. I didn’t listen to “oh but X’s Mum lets him watch them”. I was the same with books and they didn’t read age inappropriate books. I read Alanna (and the rest of the Tamora Pierce books) and I deemed it to be age appropriate for my 10ish year old son. Sure some people might not agree but this is coming from a Mother who was pretty strict about what they did read.
If you don’t let them read Alanna because of a little non specific sex then the death and violence in the Harry Potter books should also take them off the table. And Harry Potter is extremely dark in the final books.
Sorry if this seems a little ranty but I do believe that 11 is the perfect age for Tamora Pierce.
Oh and while we’re thinking about books for 11 year olds there’s a great one called Nevermoor:The Trials of Morrigan Crow by Jessica Townsend which would also be perfect for her. I read it in January and it is pretty great.


I'm also a pretty strict parent whose kids don't get to watch many of the things their friends do, and I've read most of the Tortall books. I would be thrilled if my 10-year-old son read the Lioness books and then went on from there.

I also really like Frances Hardinge. I really want my baby niece to read The Lie Tree by example but it will be years before she can. This one is more historic than fantasy but some of her other books are more fantasy like A Face Like Glass and Fly by Night.

I was 11 when the first Harry Potter book came out, so a little bit older for the darker books. But I guess my opinion on the violence vs. sex point is that unfortunatly violence is not something I can really shield from my kids - not that I allow them to watch violent shows or play violent video games - but it’s all around us, in real life. Death, violence, terror, evil is everywhere. But I think reading about a great young hero like HP defeating the ultimate evil is not the same as absorbing content that glorifies violence. To me, sex is something I can shield my kids from, if I’m careful, until I feel they’re ready for the subject.
Good thoughts. I've started a thread on sex and violence where we can continue the conversation, should folks so desire!
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...


I’d seen Sue Grafton books around forever but didn’t read them. I noticed the name because we used to live in a town called Grafton years ago and I noticed it when it was on the shelves.
Her recent death caught my attention and I found a couple of her books in the $2 bin at the second hand bookstore. This one was $8 secondhand though. I thought I’d better start with A.
I really wish I’d picked one up way back then instead of waiting until she was gone. I really enjoyed it. I’ve always loved to read books about murder and mystery solved by a plucky detective. Nancy Drew, Trixie Belden, Hardy Boys and then Agatha Christie were always my go tos. Now Sue Grafton is added to that list. I recently started reading James Patterson’s Women’s Murder Club books too. Don’t mind them either but I think I like Kinsey better.

Intellectually I know this is a Britishism meaning “a damn flashlight” but the image it conjures for me is hilariously horrifying.

Actually that doesn't improve it does it!

And no the torch was the bloody thing not the reading so the first way was correct. Actually at 2am I suppose it’s more like bloody reading with a bloody torch. I would have loved to have been asleep.
Also I probably would have said damned torch rather than damn torch.

Read some great ones already this year. "Iron Gold" by Pierce Brown, "The Bear & the Nightingale" by Katherine Arden and "Children if Time" by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Also Expanse VII, ..."
Congratulations!
I have Rivers of London on my TBR for this year.

Now I’m tackling Reamde. Only 40 pages in before the need for sleep won out but so far, so good.


I really enjoyed Reamde. It's a giant doorstop and it took me several months to get through, I was unexpectedly invested...and I thought it was funny.


you'll like The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. as it's really funny too

The pacing is just not great for me. I felt like I didn't know what the whole point of the book was until about a quarter of the way through. It's starting to get better, but it seems to drag a little. I'll see if the rest of the book pulls me in more.

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I completed [book:The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O. recently and really enjoyed it. Seveneves was the Stephenson book that hooked me into his works. I’ve got a number of his books I found in a book sale but had never attempted. Now they’re sitting in storage, waiting for me to find us a new home with spacious bookshelves.


A Gathering of Shadows on the other hand was five stars and I rushed to get the sequel. I hope you enjoy it as much!
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Alas, I did not.
I'm bouncing between 2 & 3 stars on it. 3 mostly for the ending. The reasons being: 1) This book is almost all set-up for the conclusion and didn't have much of a story in its own right and 2) Lila annoyed the hell out of me for most of the book.

Also reading Moonlight, Murder & Machinery for my gym read.

Snow Crash is i think one of the better earlier books

It's had a little renaissance in my feed, which has been fun to see. I'm looking forward to Wells' second "Murderbot" novella, which is coming out in a couple months. Tor.com has posted an excerpt here.

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I forgot I’ve got that one on Audible. Downloading now!

On the non-SF&F front, I'm re-reading James Wood's How Fiction Works. For the authors in this group, this is super helpful guidance about the craft of writing.

So bummed I prioritized the books I did over Three Body Problem. I'm back on the wait list and chomping at the bit--can't wait to hear what you think Peter!
Jenny, I love the Sandman Slim series :) so much fun. How's the audio?
Jenny, I love the Sandman Slim series :) so much fun. How's the audio?

edit: I read the book.


My review
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...




Just finished Interface by Neal Stephenson, better than Snow Crash and Cryptonomicon in my opinion.

Yay :) I love that series. It may be time for a re-read.



Now I'm reading the seven year old and dated novel Sing You Home for my book club.
I also read the brand new debut novel Only Child by Rhiannon Navin. It's really, really good, even great: it's a school shooting novel for adults from the POV of a 6 year old.


Ha! You need to join the Literary Darkness group -- lots of like-minded folks there :)
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