The Elite
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Thoughts after "The Elite": Team Maxon or Team Aspen?
Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem like America would end up with ..."I noticed you changed your profile, Diana. Maybe to account for the Non-Team Maxon lovers? Not that I ever have had or will have anything against them. Its just we had a discussion on it and thought I would bring it up. :)
To Angela, I agree. If there is no specific choice I made, I will seriously question the meaning of publishing the book. I also think the author has a thing for Aspen, not that I am against it. I agree with Cindy slightly. I also think there are definitely going to be some serious hardships along the way for America and Maxon to the point where we may question if they are going to be together.
Twist: What if Maxon declared Kriss the winner of the Selection, but then divorced her and chose America? I doubt that would happen...
its not likely to happen then again im not the author so but if lets say Maxon divorced Kriss what would that show to the country if he didnt pick why would he go back plus Kriss is one of the favorites so if he does divorce her then the country would be very upset
I'm kind of hoping Maxon grows a backbone! I do like both Aspen and Maxon. Although I want America with Maxon. Sometimes it seems that he does what he's supposed to do and not what he wants to do.
i agree just i like Maxon better he really should just end the selection and pick who he wants (with out the whole country on his shoulders) the only problem is hes not selfish he wouldnt be able to do that
Stephanie wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem like America wou..."yes it does happen that way a lot.....the other guy who doesn't get the girl either dies or becomes consumed with hatred plotting revenge (oooh what if that happened? that'd be interesting....) I hope that if Aspen is the other guy (please, Kiera, don't do this to me) then I hope that she at least pairs him up with SOMEONE, so he's not alone....But I don't know. I find Kiera's way of writing love triangles very very very VERY frustrating and quite frankly annoying hence the wavering of the "I love Aspen, no Maxon no Aspen". GAHH. Cass better end this book well. And does anyone else find the Southerners/Northerners thing a little bit vague, so much so that after you read it it's like it never happened? That's how I felt. I almost felt that the entire rebel aspect was unnecessary.....
Angela wrote: "I'm kind of hoping Maxon grows a backbone! I do like both Aspen and Maxon. Although I want America with Maxon. Sometimes it seems that he does what he supposed to do And not what he wants to do."Yeah that would be great if that happened. Then I might like him more. I just find him a little bit too....erm...weak? I don't know I just find that Aspen has more courage. But then again, I suppose you can't blame Maxon since if he spoke out he'd get beaten.... :(
totally it was like a day later BOOM nothing happened no soldiers died the kingdom isnt destroyed the world goes back to normal its a little annoying
Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem like America wou..."I don't know about the divorce twist part....the selection sounds like that kind of no going back type of thing since Kriss would become princess and eventually future queen....
Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem like America wou..."Do you know what would be a great twist...
What if Maxon actually listens to America and tries to change stuff, but sense Ilea is so unstable it sends the nation into chaos , rebels take over and aspen joins them. And Maxon has to struggle with his fall from grace while America helps him. But America has to choose if she wants to stand with the rebels new ideas or restore Maxon 's throne?
Cool twist! What if she did both and threatened her relationship with Aspen!
That'd be good, but I think the plot of Kiera''s book is pretty much a done-deal: America will marry Maxon (unless of course he does something to tick her off and run off to Aspen for the nine-hundredth time...) become princess, maybe later queen with perhaps the sudden death of the king (if this happens:YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYYY!!!!) they become king and queen and begin changing the caste system! ....but I highly doubt that the king's going to die :P
i agree why would she kill off the person who is making problems like he scares America and he beets Maxon its to easy if he tragicly die i doubt that would happen
But it's the end of the series so if the king dies at the end of the book it wouldn't be that far fetched.
True. It would make a difference, but not one that could be carried through many more books.
Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem like America wou..."haha, yes Britanny, I changed it. I never did not not like Team Aspen people, if that made any sense...Meaning I never had anything against them.
I really like all these twist you guys are predicting! Thats really good! I like the twist Annie sugestedm but I also agree with CIndy, Angela, and Brittany. I wonder if Maxton likes the caste system ideas. Did the book really say if he liked it or disliked it? So lets say the kind dies...what about Queen Amberly? What would happen to her? aUnless she also dies, then I guess America and Aspen would be crowned, but thats highly unlikely
Diana wrote: "Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem..."I know he mentioned something about baby steps. He did chastise America a bit about how she did it. But I think he agrees. Anyone want to look that scene up?
Angela wrote: "Diana wrote: "Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke abou..."Sadly, I dont have the book with me! I should buy the whole series if I could...but I cant. Anyways, I pretty sure he agrees. I dont think he's like his Dad, harsh-ish, maybe more like his mom, gentle and...sweet. So when he does become King and with his Queen, who remains unknown but I do have my suspicions, then I think they'll cancel, er, get rid of the caste. Unless its Celeste, I highly doubt she'll do that.
Which scene, Angela? I'd be glad to.I also doubt if Celeste is the Queen that she will ever allow Maxon to change things with the castes. I think mainly because she hasn't experienced the pain of being in a lower caste: she was a two.
If America is Queen, I think she and Maxon will be a wonderful pair and take out the caste system. I have a feeling this will cause a serious conflict... civil or non-civil.
And if Kriss becomes Queen, I think she will have a rule almost just like Queen Amberly but a bit less blindly sweet. I doubt she will eliminate the caste system if she is Queen unless America remains a friend of the two and influences her ideas.
Speaking of Kriss, does anyone remember what caste she was originally?
I also agree, Diana, that Maxon's personality is more like his mother's. I think at times this will be a problem, but overall, I see it as a good characteristic/personality trait.
Brittany wrote: "Which scene, Angela? I'd be glad to.I also doubt if Celeste is the Queen that she will ever allow Maxon to change things with the castes. I think mainly because she hasn't experienced the pain of..."
It's around whenAmerica announces to the world her public service plan being getting rid of the caste system. Then Maxon yells at her
OK. Let me get the book...
Sorry for the wait...Ok, this is on Page 279:
" "What are you doing out of your room?" he asked, slowly bending to pick up the box. I noticed it had his name on the side. I wondered what he was storing in the hospital wing.
"I was going to the gardens. I'm trying to figure out if I did something stupid or not."
Maxon appeared to be having a difficult time standing. "Oh, I can assure you it was stupid."
"Do you need help?"
"No," he answered quickly, avoiding my eyes. "Just heading to my room. And I suggest you do the same."
"Maxon." The quiet plea in my voice made him look at me. "I am so sorry. I was mad, and I wanted to... I don't even know anymore. And you were the one who said there were perks to being a One, that you could change things."
He rolled his eyes. "You're not a One." There was a silence between us. "Even if you were, did you not pay attention at all to the way I'm doing things? It's quiet and small. That's how it has to be for now. You can't go on television complaining about the way things are run and expect to have my father's, or anyone's support."
"I'm sorry!" I cried. "I'm so, so sorry."
He paused for a moment. "I'm not sure that---"
We heard shouting..."
Then they need to sound the alarm because the rebels are coming. Is that the part you wanted?
Brittany wrote: "Sorry for the wait...Ok, this is on Page 279:
" "What are you doing out of your room?" he asked, slowly bending to pick up the box. I noticed it had his name on the side. I wondered what he was ..."
Yes that's it. So I guess Maxon didn't say whether or not if he agreed.
Huh...So at what Britanny was saying earlier about how Kriss will probably rule like Queen Amberly but a little bit less blindley sweet, I think that Kriss has like a mean side. You know how some people look sweet on the outside but its just an act and they turn out cruel and evil? Well, what if Kriss was like that? WOuldnt that be cool? That she might sabotage the chances of America and Maxton? Like if she see's America with Aspen then she tells Maxton and Maxton gets all mad and etc. haha, theyd be a big twist in this love triangle.
Maybe Kriss does have a mean side. I think that it would explain a lot. I still have this deep-down feeling that no one but America will win. Maybe it is just some strange hopeful feeling creeping on me.
I think Maxon would catch the "mean side" in her before marrying her, or becoming her prince, or crowning her or whatever. I think he needs a person who will change things but can still be... gentle. If America gets her act together, her personality perfectly, naturally (maybe I am exaggerating, I don't know...) fits the position.
I am just dying for America to be with Maxon. I am not sure why, though, after all of the horrible temper tantrums and crazy things she has done.
I guess now I forgive her. But if she does this crazy temper tantrum stuff "Oh, I love you Maxon, but Oh, somehow I love you too Aspen. Actually I hate you Maxon. I love you Aspen! Wait. I hate you Aspen! I love you Maxon! Wait. I hate you! No. Sorry. By the way...." stuff I will go nutzo and NOT forgive her. Why must you make me so angry, America?
PS to Kiera- GREAT job on playing with our emotions. I don't mean this sarcastically at all. You did a fabulous job with making us fret and forgive and worry and get so emotional. I like your style of writing so much!
America is so...interesting. I do agree that Kiera is a fabulous writing and her style is just awesome! She is one of my favorite authors! Maxton would probably catch Kriss or any of the other girls mean sides or there true side before marrying them. He alreadys knows Americas right? I agree with Brittany, I dont know why I still want America and Maxton to be together rather than making America watch Maxton get married to someone else and letting her suffer and see her true mistake...maybe because I have a soft side on America, or I just like Maxton better than Aspen.
If she doesnt marry Maxton though, wouldnt she still be a 4, or was it 3? So, if she's a 3/4 and doesnt win the Selection and goes to marry Aspen, wouldnt she become a 7 and since she married lower than her caste, what happens then? Didnt they say when you marry below your caste, your family like shuns you or something? I wonder how that will play out...
I doubt there will be any type of wedding or divorce bc there won't be any time for that. Not unless Maxon got married to the wrong girl at the very start.
Haha, true. I wonder if they do weddings or divorces for the royal family. Since they have The Selection, and 25-maybe 30, or 35?- girls to choose from, and then it narrows down from there, wouldnt you have found your true love from there...I dont think they would have second guesses of who they married.
Good thinking. I don't think any of the royal family would need to divorce. I don't mean that nobody in the royal family should divorce. It's just, I personally believe that anyone who has their hands taken into some serious matters would probably not fail on choosing the correct wife. Excuse me if this sounds too judgmental, but I personally believe the statements above.
No worries, since the are Ones, I think theyd be smart enough and choose smartly. So, since the Selection is all girls, I wonder if there was ever a Selection for boys. Has there ever been a first born girl born to the royal family? So to find her husband, wouldnt here be a Selection for guys? Ohh, there should be a book like that :) I just wonder...
Diana wrote: "America is so...interesting. I do agree that Kiera is a fabulous writing and her style is just awesome! She is one of my favorite authors! Maxton would probably catch Kriss or any of the other girl..."If America doesn't win she'll become a 3, but if she marries Aspen she'll become a 2 because he became a 2 when he became a palace guard. And before that he was a 6, not a 7.
OH yeah! haha, I forgot. So I guess she isnt marrying down...and I thought he was a 7, and America was a 6.
I'm pretty sure in the Selection it said if she made it to the Elite she would become a 2. That she's automatically a 3 but if she made it to the Elite she would b higher. Anyone else remember if that's true or not?
Maybe, I dont remember. I think, though, that thats true.
Just looked it up it just said if she wins her family and her will be ones. But what's crazy is if someone was an elite how can they go from that to a 3? "Should you make it to the top 10, you will be considered an elite. Once you reach that status, you'll be required to learn about the particular inner workings of life and obligations you would have as a princess. You're not permitted to seek out such details before that time... From this moment on, your status is a three."
America was a 5.... and Aspen was a six. Am I right?
And to Diana's earlier comment... maybe I have a soft spot on America, too. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing.
Yeah she was a 5 so it's better being a 3 on a way. But after living in the palace so long I doubt anyone would be able to handle going back. Superficial I know.
I think America can handle going back, if she does. I hope she doesn't... but I think it will be very hard for her to adapt again. I hope she doesn't have to adapt. I wish every caste could experience the same level of nourishment and wealth. That everyone could be equal! Close to it, at least!
true i didnt think of it that way
I feel like the whole caste stuff is nothing more than a way for the rich people to stay rich and keep the poor people under control
I agree. Like some other kingdoms have, I agree it is just a system to force the lower caste people to be poor, hardly have any decisions of their own, and stay under control.Does anybody have a feeling there will be civil war in the next book? I do. I also have a feeling America will start it...
Diana wrote: "Brittany wrote: "Angela wrote: "But if this woman ends this book with no specific choice I will burn my book. Well figuratively anyway. I doubt it bc that interview someone spoke about made it seem..."Well obviously Queen Amberly can't die! She's too nice ;)
Diana wrote: "Huh...So at what Britanny was saying earlier about how Kriss will probably rule like Queen Amberly but a little bit less blindley sweet, I think that Kriss has like a mean side. You know how som..."
Oooooooh I would like that twist!
after reading the Elite, i am on no team right now.
Vanessa wrote: "after reading the Elite, i am on no team right now."haha, thats to bad. I bet when you read The One, you'll be on a team.
At what Britanny said, I think there might be a Civil War. If there is, America will most likely start it. After her idea of loosing the caste systems, there most likely be one.
At what Jasmine said, that is so true! I think itd be cool if they switched caste for like a week and the rich people could feel what the poorer people feel and vise versa.
Vanessa wrote: "after reading the Elite, i am on no team right now."I'm not surprised. America....ugh, why can't you just pick one?
Annie wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "after reading the Elite, i am on no team right now."I'm not surprised. America....ugh, why can't you just pick one?"
She's a stubborn person. I feel like alot of books now have stubborn main characters and they are all stuck in love triangles! America, just choose one!
Annie wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "after reading the Elite, i am on no team right now."I'm not surprised. America....ugh, why can't you just pick one?"
She's a stubborn person. I feel like alot of books now have stubborn main characters and they are all stuck in love triangles! America, just choose one!
Diana wrote: "haha, thats to bad. I bet when you read The One, you'll be on a team."actually, i don't think i will read The One after that. but if ever i'll read it, i won't be on either team/side. i am done with America.
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Cindy wrote: "the thing is that Kiera most probably wants a twist like lets say Maxon chooses Kriss and America is all depressed and realises that she realy wants him but goes back to Aspen but Aspen doesnt want..."
If you component both of those ideas and add a Stephanie splash into it, which would be a combination of a twist plot, aspen dying, and me being an aspen lover.....what if Maxon died? Ahhhh I'd be so freaking happy. And that would add so much drama