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City of Copying Other Great Works (Mortal Instruments #Too Many)
I have to be honest, this sounds quite crazy... If this is real the shit really has hit the fan.
Andre wrote: "I have to be honest, this sounds quite crazy... If this is real the shit really has hit the fan."Obviously someone doesn't like Clare's books and expresses as much but some other crazy people don't take it well. How dare her/him to not like the books?
I guess this is just your opinion (rayful's), but I have to say I don't think she riped them of on purpose (there is a such thing as coinidences). Maybe their works influenced her novels, IDK, but things aren't always what they apear (that was not meant to sond so cheesey!).
Dekotah wrote: "I guess this is just your opinion (rayful's), but I have to say I don't think she riped them of on purpose (there is a such thing as coinidences). Maybe their works influenced her novels, IDK, but ..."Please read the link I've posted. It's true that Clare used to be a fan fic writer in the HP and LOTR fandoms.....accept the fact that her works are plagiarised and badly written, accept the fact that she's a cyber-bully....why do you all worship such a writer who CANNOT accept criticism and goes around bullying her critics? Why do you worship a hypocrite? Why are you all fans so blind that you cannot see the plagiarism? Why the freaking hell do you protect such an abominable person?.....really, does she wash your feet daily that you all show such loyalty to her?
At least Stephanie Meyer's works were original though awful.
Dekotah wrote: "I guess this is just your opinion (rayful's), but I have to say I don't think she riped them of on purpose (there is a such thing as coinidences). Maybe their works influenced her novels, IDK, but ..."coincidences?
Then let me copy and paste the major plot-points and settings of Harry Potter, change all the characters' names, add a few things about vampires and angels and then publish the text under my own name. It probably would be considered a coincidence.
Mizuki wrote: "And especially about this part.Cassandra, if you’re going to talk about bullying, you better give the whole story.
Tell everyone how I got over 700 death threats like the ones above from your fa..."
Really, I don't know what's wrong with the fandom....I have no respect left for Clare.
I admit, it's a good thing I've only had the one troll. When I'm provoked, I get inflammatory. I have a nice irish temper to go with it. I would have to stay off the internet for a good long time before I could calm down. Once calm, I'd keep everything sent to me, and post it everywhere.
Dekotah wrote: "I guess this is just your opinion (rayful's), but I have to say I don't think she riped them of on purpose (there is a such thing as coinidences). Maybe their works influenced her novels, IDK, but ..."Yes there is such a thing as coincidences. But the more similarties there are between two works of fiction the less likely does it become that these similarities are coincidences. And if they are too similar they can also no longer be considered rip-offs, which is also bad, or inspirations but blant copies. And quite frankly Clare's world alone already has so much in common not just with Harry Potter but also with several other popular titles of the last 20 years. It's so much I am tempted to open a thread here just to collect it all so people can see it.
I loved the book and i recomend it to anyone who loves different worlds that they can loose themselves in.
Ashleigh wrote: "Can I just throw in that all writers are influenced by what they read, watch and life? There are, I think, seven basic plot lines, several basic conflicts and a handful of basic character types. It..."I think you missed the point of what we are discussing now. We all agree that there is nothing truly original, or at least partly agree. It is how the writer treats the material that matters and Clare doesn't treat it with very good skill. Go back to page 8 and read the long posts that Andre and I wrote explaining works that use the same tropes way better than Clare. (The books we brought up are actually listed in the right column under Books mentioned in this topic.)
And before you say anything, yes I've read all three of the original trilogy and I'm working on TID. I would like the add that instead of reading TID, people should just move on to the first book of the Parasol Protectorate, Soulless by Gail Carriger. (It is also a manga.) It's not the best thing written, but it was fun. Superior to Clare's work on just about every front and it has vampires, werewolves, ghosts, feisty female protagonists, and it's Steampunk.
Mackenzee wrote: "I loved the book and i recomend it to anyone who loves different worlds that they can loose themselves in."I would get off of this thread as soon as you can before they start bashing you like they are the author.
Yes of course, we are the bashers because we dare to point out the legion of flaws these books have.Also why don't you let Mackenzee come to an own conclusion?
Ashleigh wrote: "Just because something has an element that reminds you of something else doesn't mean its bad. It just means that the author has been influenced by something else, either for better or worse, and quite honestly, I think Clare has done a much better job at portraying her Downworlders like vampires than Stephanie Meyer. "
I have to disagree on that. As bad as Meyer is, she handled her vampires and werewolves in the Twilight books better than Clare did in her Shadowhunter world.
The main problem with Meyer's vampires was a) that it made no sense that they should hide from humans and b) that Meyer's "scientific" explanations in her Twilight Guide where complete garbage and answered nothing. There are of course all the relationship problems but they have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
In Clare's universe the Downworlders are one giant mess.
Let us stay with the vampires for now:
In City of Bones alone there is already a problem with them. Not only is their beauty and pale faces reminiscent of Twilight as well as the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice (Interview with the Vampires, The Vampire Lestat, Blood & Gold, Blackwood Farm etc. etc.) but in Vampires, Scones and Edmund Herondale (book 3 of the Bane Chronicles) Camille's skin is even likened to porcelain. In Clockwork Angel their skin is described as poreless (also reminiscent of Twilight and the Vampire Chronicles) and their slaves have a devotion to them, also nothing new. Now no one says anything about their powers since they are so standard for vampires that no one is bothered by it even though they are technically the same as that of Dracula by Bram Stoker. However how she handles them is downright stupid. And here we go.
In the chapters up to the chapter on the hotel Dumort we are not only told that the vampires can turn into bats (several times), no they even show it:
On cue, the roof door burst open with a crash, torn from its hinges. Wolves poured through the gap, racing across the roof straight at them. Above them flew the vampires, hissing and screeching, filling the night with predatory cries.
Even if you would say that these sentences say nothing about them being in bat-shape it is clear that they can fly. Also they seemed to have forgotten their earlier battle. And here is where the problem lies, a few sentences later we are given this:
Clary glanced back and saw a cluster of vampires standing on the roof of the hotel, surrounded by wolves.
Why don't the vampires pursue Clary and Jace or at least fly away from the werewolves?
Also why are their transformation powers never mentioned again in the first three TMI books or even in the latter two of the series or in Clockwork Angel? I might get if Simon cannot do it yet since he is so young, but even when he is captured and imprisoned in City of Glass there is no mention about him even thinking of that possibility. And before anyone thinks that this would have made no difference, remember that he could wrap his hands around the bars in the window of his prison.
He had tried yanking the bars out of the window and the cell door, but touching any of them for very long seared bleeding score marks into his palms.
They burned his palms sure, but when he can wrap his hands around them it is obvious that there is enough space between them that a rat or a bat could at least crawl through the space between them since if there were some sort of forcefield between the bars he would not have been able to even touch them since it would have seared his fingertips. So even if Simon would not have the skill to fly through the bars, or maybe not the size since we were never told what size the bat-form of the vampires is, it was clear from the whole mess in City of Bones that vampires turn into normal sized brown rats or otherwise the vampires would have never thought Simon was one of them. So all Simon would have needed to accomplish is to somehow get on the frame of the window, either by flying there or holding on to the edge and then transform into rat-form or transform into the rat and then jump since he still had vampire strength, and then just walk out of there. But there is no mentioning of this at all, neither by Simon, nor Hodge/Samuel, nor the inquisitor nor anyone. Not even the construction of the cell suggests that anyone even thought about this, so apparently neither did Clare or anyone else who read this thing before it was published.
This not only makes Simon look stupid, it also makes the Shadowhunters look stupid and also Clare.
And like I said this was never mentioned again, not the powers, not the possibility of the powers, nothing. The only other time so far that I saw a scene where it should have been used again was in Clockwork Angel and that one was so incredibly stupid that this scene remains one of my favorite examples of incompetent writing and plot convenience that is so obvious and so incredibly dumb that you would have to be a complete idiot or a very unobservant reader to not notice that.
It already starts with the fact that none of the vampires, despite their heightened hearing, could hear the whisper of Tessa and Will, and they were already suspicious due to Will's acting. But still no one hears them. And this is where the shit hits the fan. In the burning music room it is clearly stated and shown that vampires burn very fast:
She tried to dart forward, but Magnus—she had nearly forgotten he was there—caught her firmly by the wrist. “Miss Gray, no,” he said, and when she responded by pulling away harder, he added, “Miss Gray! You’re a vampire now! If you catch fire, you’ll go up like kindling wood—” As if to illustrate his point, at that moment a stray spark landed atop Lady Delilah’s white wig. It burst into flames. With a cry she tried to rip it from her head, but as her hands came in contact with the flames, they, too, caught fire as if they were made of paper instead of skin. In less than a second both her arms were burning like torches. Howling, she raced toward the door, but the fire was faster than she was. Within seconds a bonfire raged where she had stood. Tessa could just see the outline of a blackened screaming creature writhing inside it.
Now, according to City of Bones, Ashes and Glass vampires have superstrength, -speed, -healing and can turn into dust, bats and rats. And the music room has several French windows and at least two doors. And what do these vampires do? Read it yourself, straight from the horse's mouth:
The room was chaos: vampires rushing to and fro, many of them stampeding toward the doorway. The vampires who had reached the door were pushing and shoving to get through it first; others had turned course and were streaming toward the French doors that looked out over the garden.
That is right they run towards the doors and apparently thereby block at least one of them. No mentioning of shattering through the windows, none about using superspeed and –strength and especially no mentioning of changing into bats and rats to evade the flames or get out of their faster. Even when the Shadowhunters attack they do not try to fly away, which would have been advantageous since the small size of a bat and its maneuverability would make the vampires difficult targets. The book itself only states: They were driving before them in a screaming, ragged group the vampires who had fled into the garden. As Tessa stared, more Shadowhunters began flooding in from the other doors as well, herding more vampires in front of them, like dogs herding sheep into a pen.
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The Nephilim had herded the remaining vampires, those who had not been killed by the fire—or by Will—into the center of a makeshift circle of Shadowhunters.
And it's not as though the book doesn't mention any of these powers I listed, it clearly does mention them and shows that the things I mentioned were possible:
De Quincey bared his teeth one last time and whirled with incredible speed. He raced across the room and flung himself into a high glass window. It shattered outward in an explosion of glass, carrying him forward as if his body were being carried on a wave, vanishing into the night. Why did none of the other vampires do that?
And actually that scene showed even more inconsistencies in Clare's world but this post is already long enough as it is.
No, that alone is considered an archetype and not a copy. There is a difference. It would be a copy if the main character is raised by aunt and uncle, thinks his father is dead and the father turns out to be alive and the main villain.
Andre wrote: "No, that alone is considered an archetype and not a copy. There is a difference. It would be a copy if the main character is raised by aunt and uncle, thinks his father is dead and the father turns..."Andre, what you had described here sounds like Star Wars to me. Though it has been *years* since I last watched the movie.
Naturally because plenty of people came with exactly the same when they tried to defend the many similarities with other titles.Mizuki wrote: "Andre wrote: "No, that alone is considered an archetype and not a copy. There is a difference. It would be a copy if the main character is raised by aunt and uncle, thinks his father is dead and th..."
It was Star Wars.
Well, Star Wars itself was pulling from other works. So I don't like to use it as part of the argument. On the other hand, he father as a villain is an acceptable archetype. I just don't like the "daddy reveal" scene because Jace, who was so full of piss and vinegar before hand, just buys it. In the modern world. He doesn't ask for a DNA test or anything similar. I didn't make any sense.Gabby wrote: "I would get off of this thread as soon as you can before they start bashing you like they are the author."
If I was really bashing the author just to be a mean troll, I would go after her appearance, but that's the peak of rude. We're merely having a discussion about the pitfalls of her work. Her documented behavior towards people who don't like her books managed to come up.
And I'll say this again. From every other writer who has ever given advice: Published writers should never respond to criticism of their work with more than a thank you because it is unprofessional. Even if the person gets facts wrong.
Now can you guess who does this?
Amelia wrote: "What, I must see this documented behavior! If it's true what you say, then that'll be so hilarious it might just make my day!I just thought about something (bear with me here if it's wrong, I've ..."
Here is the compilation of all the links that talk about her behavior. The recent twitter one is kind of scary. And this is Andre's copy and paste of Clare's response to a fan who didn't like the ending of CP2, or whatever fans call it. I read it all and it made me want to scream and throw things. It boils down to the following:
FAN: I didn't like the ending. I thought it was cop-out. Tessa didn't sacrifice anything.
CLARE: NO! You just don't understand what trew wuve is! (Proceeds to call people who don't like it misogynists, while simultaneously not admitting to anything.)
Okay, maybe that was a bit harsh. You should read it and come to your own conclusion. That's just want I got from it. But I also know that a writer who has to explain their reasoning has failed at what they were trying to achieve.
Amelia wrote: "Thank! I didn't really know about that before. To be honest, I'm shocked. What the hell is wrong with CC?Gotta say, I feel good now that I didn't buy the books myself."
You're welcome.
And I have no idea what is wrong with her. She's a best selling author now, so sicking her fans on people because they don't like her work should be beyond her. I understand the pain when someone doesn't like your work. It's like your soul is getting beat on by a champion MMA fighter, before being ripped out and thrown under the hooves of the Pamplona running bulls. It is painful, especially when it's true, but it never justifies spreading the pain. Every artist - that includes writers - gets criticized. It's part of creating.
Clare obviously doesn't have the thick skin necessary to cry silently behind her screen so she can move on. She has this barrier of fans that feed her ego. It has become so engorged with their adoration that she never learned to take a hit. And when someone connects, hitting her squishy innards, she sends out her zombie hoards to crash upon them and drive them away. All the while she acts the victim, when the true victims are ex-friends and a few women who dare become disenchanted. She can't stand having her illusions shattered and that is why she lashes out.
It's sad that I actually understand her. I had a friend strike out at me for helpful criticism before. I didn't tell her what I really thought. (It was pretty awful.) I tried to help her because I wanted to see her succeed. Her unhappiness cut me deep. I spent hours writing out my critique and she chucked it in my face. We don't speak anymore.
But what about me? I too have wanted to scream and throw things and call people names. I've wanted to rage, rage, and rage some more. Instead, I said thank you and maybe asked them some questions to clarify. Maybe turned it into an informative and enlightening discussion. I used to have a bad habit of justifying my decisions, but try not to anymore unless I want someone to help me clarify my writing to express my intent.
This is how every writer should act whether professional, hobbyist, or fan fiction. Whether it is your first manuscript or your thirtieth. An artist should always convey themselves with respect and professionalism.
(Note: I just reread that paragraph where I describe Clare's actions, and realized she would be one hell of video game boss to beat.)
LeeAnna wrote: "Well, Star Wars itself was pulling from other works. So I don't like to use it as part of the argument. On the other hand, he father as a villain is an acceptable archetype. I just don't like the "..."True, Lukas was ripping off heavily from another film in his first film, but at least he admitted it.
Also if Jace thought his dad was dead for so long, shouldn't he be a bit angry at some point because his dad never showed up?
Andre wrote: "Also if Jace thought his dad was dead for so long, shouldn't he be a bit angry at some point because his dad never showed up?"I know. I would be pissed because he decided to run off and ruin the world without me. Abandonment much?
I wish I had critics like that. Someone who's brutally honest.I suggest trying out some critique websites. My personal favorite is Book Country because most of the people on there mature since they have an 18 and over policy. I've been a member for 3 years and it's some of the best criticism I get. The admins are also active with the members and are nice people. Agents also read through the works on there. So I suggest it. I'm busy doing some major rewriting before I throw the entirety of my novel back up there.
So far what I get from CC; she's a child.
Pretty much. A petulant one at that.
I love your critics...
(Beams) Thank you.
...does either of you have anything about the thing where vamps in CCs universe only transform when drunk/intoxicated? That's how I read it, anyhow. Is there anything about it at other times too? Because then it would make perfect sense for... well some escape issues.
I couldn't tell you. I didn't care enough to pay attention to her vamp specifics. I was too busy crying over the similes.
Arg! Why is continuity so hard?! I do find Meyers more enjoyable because as dippy as twilight can be at least she DOES try for originality. Sparkling vampires are a bit odd, but different. It's kind of cool at least.
I can't stand her vampires for personal reasons. I'm not some vamp nut, but understand the whole, "Run! Sunlight!" thing. It actually makes me really picky about my vamp lit.And when it comes to writing communities, I avoid most of them too. Book Country is unique, which is why I stuck around. It just ended up that way. It's really quality for being free and open. Hardly anyone on there strokes egos, and all the trolls get booted. They even have a critique guide to read if you're nervous about what to do. Even if you don't post anything, I highly suggest the forums, especially if you write genre. Also, if you just like to read, there are some good stories on there.
Here is my outdated page for my novel. You can look through the critiques and see what people say. It gives you a good idea, more or less.
Gabby wrote: "I would get off of this thread as soon as you can before they start bashing you like they are the author."Bashing is actually done by both fans and non fans here. I have seen both side attacked each other.
Not all though. Some comments are good enough. I actually feel that Andre's comments have shaken me from my denial, my own feeling about the series. TMI and TID carry lots of flaws for them to be called good books.
Comments from fans might be hurtful, but some of them are there to tell us the truth.
Btw.... I find The Bane Chronicles are terribly awful. Cassie has successfully ruined the awesome warlock :(
Nurlely wrote: "Btw.... I find The Bane Chronicles are terribly awful. Cassie has successfully ruined the awesome warlock :( "And you are really not the only one. I never liked Magnus because he simply did not come along as someone that was 300 years old but he was not this hypocritical, backstabbing and cock crazy fashion diva he is in the Chronicles so far. Seriously how am I supposed to find a guy likeable that needs about 200 years to learn that for some mothers the mourning never ends?
Amelia wrote: "LeeAnna thanks!I don't get why vampires (who're essentially walking corpses) would be harmed by sunlight. Is that some sort of demon thing? But they were human before (not in CCs world, but gener..."
This trait originated with the silent film Nosferatu, prior to that fictional vampires were at most simply nocturnal or like Bram Stoker's Dracula weakened by sunlight. The harm by sunlight has no actual folkloric source, like the infectious bite of the werewolf, all evidence points to the trait being entirely fictional.
Mine can transform at any time, but are forced to transform on the full moon.
Andre wrote: "Amelia wrote: "LeeAnna thanks!I don't get why vampires (who're essentially walking corpses) would be harmed by sunlight. Is that some sort of demon thing? But they were human before (not in CCs w..."
Actually it does come from folklore. Porphyria, or the vampire diseases, have been known about since the 19th century. Doctors used to treat porphyria with having the patient drink blood and all of the types have photosensitivity as one of the symptoms. These diseases actually added to the legend and some werewolf legends as well since in some types people's skin will thicken and they might grow excess hair.
I actually have one of them, and feel downright lucky because some of them are awful. You're skin falls off, fingers rot away, psychosis, etc. My father's hands are scared to hell, and man the sun hurts. Staying outside for 20 minutes can equal 3 days of pain. Hence why I hate sparkling vampires. And vampires who are always pretty.
Oh yeah, and sunlight was also viewed as purifying by most Abrahamic religions. That's why many monsters in western culture shy away from it.
The werewolf thing makes me laugh because people complain that everyone always uses them even though there are other weres out there, and I'm not talking in legends and myths, but pop culture. Saiyans from the Dragon Ball property turn into 100 foot were-apes with tails, and yet many a geek I've spoken to hasn't thought of them as lycanthropes. Then there is the show Grimm which ultimately makes shit up. I love it. They have fun and don't deal with pack politics or any of that junk with their wolf character. In fact, he's found himself one foxy lady, literally.
I just like shapeshifters a lot in general. Not just like but ADORE them.
LeeAnna wrote: "FAN: I didn't like the ending. I thought it was cop-out. Tessa didn't sacrifice anything.
CLARE: NO! You just don't understand what trew wuve is! (Proceeds to call people who don't like it misogynists, while simultaneously not admitting to anything.)"
LeeAnna, you had summed it up quite nicely. It's obvious Clare thinks the fan is in the wrong and she is in the right. *sighs*
There have been attempts to explain werewolfism and vampirism with these diseases however the vampire is a very limited phenomenon and did not enter the english language prior to the 19th century.The werewolf is a very widepsread in European folklore and is so widespread that it is hard to believe in a single origin. In additione excessive body hair and rabies were long known in Europe and such people were nonetheless not considered werewolves and werewolf legends have no infectious bite. And the full moon is very underdeveloped as well.
On average the transformation into a, often large, wolf was voluntary via pelt (also called a shirt) or an ointment. Often the power of transformation was associated with magic usage, which might explain some legends stating that werewolves are more likely to come back as vampires since the basic concept of a werewolf was that of an evil magic user and evil people were always likely candidates to come back from the dead.
What Dracula was for the fictional vampire, The Wolfman was for the fictional werewolf. In the case of both monsters most fictional representations go back to these two sources.
And no, I do not know everything. I simply read some good books on the topic. You can find the good and bad books I read and rated on the topic here: http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/...
And for good or bad I saw alot of vampire and werewolf films but considered how many there are I am, I think somewhere between beginner and advanced.
Amelia wrote: "LeeAnna: I wish I had critics like that. Someone who's brutally honest. See that's the thing with my friends, I have ONE of them who's honest to me. She'll tell me if it's shit; and she'll tell me ..."Careful Amelia. Clare's fans might jump you once they get wind of you mentioning Clare's appearance in any sort of way. Blogs had been taken down after the owners were being accused of that in the past. (Read LeeAnna's links, and you will see)
So far what I get from CC; she's a child.
I will not say anything about Clare's her past experience, but judging from how her main characters (both Clary and Tessa) turn out to be judgmental, rude, selfish little brats but still Clare keeps wanting us to believe they're oh-so brave and likable. I think Clare truly does confuse bravery and independence with rudeness and selfishness.
Not to mention both Clary and Tessa think being beautiful is the most important thing in life. *sighs*
Andre wrote: "There have been attempts to explain werewolfism and vampirism with these diseases however the vampire is a very limited phenomenon and did not enter the english language prior to the 19th century...."
I'm just saying the diseases attributed to reinforcing the legends/mythos. Mankind has always tried to explain illnesses they didn't understand as supernatural in nature since man has been around.
Yes, the word vampire is newer, but the concept of a blood drinking undead person is not. Nor spirits. Or zombies. Or shape shifters. In the broad scope of human evolution, those types of creatures seem to function more like "classes" than specifics because the legends can be some multifaceted. You have different cultures, religions, etc.
Actually the concept of revenants is old and those of blood-drinkers but both in combination not so much, at least not in physical shape. The concept of a vampire as a physical undead human that drinks blood is relatively new. The zombie... well there is the revenant but this is a very broad term and could be a hopping corpse or something like a draugr. Sadly not most people use them to their full potential. These draugr would be excellent monsters for a horror story. Or the phillipino Aswang, well the Aswangs that are viscera suckers or vampires. I have no problem referring to such creatures as classes but I must say that it often seems to me as though even some researchers twisted them to their liking. E.g. when they claim that werewolves are a global phenomenon they suddenly include stuff like wereleopards into them to make that seem "legible". Which is kind of stupid considered that the weredog exists on all continents so they should just use that.
*Sigh*
I thought I loved this series but then I read Cassandra's The Infernal Devices. This is a proper love story. This is the same shadowhunter stuff but set in the 19th century. I know you would probably think "oh I won't be able to connect with this" but surprisingly you forget it is a different era altogether and it is believable when technology is created that is far more advanced for that time! I definitely recommend this and can assure you there will be no essence of Star Wars or Harry Potter.lol
rayful wrote: "Miguel wrote: "I'm freaking tired of seeing these hate discussions.Do i even need to say this again? I LOVE THIS BOOK."
Uh, if you don't want to see these hate discussions, then don't join them.
..."
The book series is meant to be light and not to be taken seriously. I understand that and even so it's still badly written and it does take from other famous and well received works. Check out this link for more info on that.
http://theweek.com/article/index/2485....#
I would not be so sure that this book series was really meant to be light and not taken seriously. Because the author's attitude and statements rather point towards the opposite direction.
I've heard that the movie turned out to be very awful. I'm surprised that the present average rating is 7 out of 10 stars on IMDB.
Andre wrote: "I would not be so sure that this book series was really meant to be light and not taken seriously. Because the author's attitude and statements rather point towards the opposite direction."I agree with Andre. The way Clare shoves her characters and ideas in our faces suggests that she wants you to take them seriously. I can't tell you how many times I stumbled upon a scene where they were praising Will/saying that he's just a troubled boy, etc. Whenever Will isn't in a scene Clare STILL finds a way to talk about Will and praise him for being an asshole. Obviously Clare wants us to take this book seriously, otherwise she wouldn't be trying to prove so hard that Will is just a troubled hot guy and he needs love. I mean, it's as if she is like "LOOK AT WILL. FEEL BAD FOR HIM!! HE'S SO HOT AND ANGSTY AND HOT AND HAS PRETTY BLUE EYES AND-" blah blah blah, you get it. Yeah, she wants you to take it seriously.
Ayesha wrote: "I've heard that the movie turned out to be very awful. I'm surprised that the present average rating is 7 out of 10 stars on IMDB."I heard that too. I had the widest smile on my face.
Tyler wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "I've heard that the movie turned out to be very awful. I'm surprised that the present average rating is 7 out of 10 stars on IMDB."I heard that too. I had the widest smile on my f..."
This might be due to all the fans and probably people findig some good in it and thereby giving the film high rating. It is the same here on GR.
Andre wrote: "Tyler wrote: "Ayesha wrote: "I've heard that the movie turned out to be very awful. I'm surprised that the present average rating is 7 out of 10 stars on IMDB."I heard that too. I had the widest..."
Yeah, it is. Her fans (well, the majority of them) are insane, I swear. So I wouldn't put it past them.
^^ Yeah, I too think it must be her fans who gave the high ratings. I've read few negative reviews on it too (probably written by the people who didn't read the books) and they've called it cliched along with pointing out the similarities with Harry Potter and Twilight. I think the average ratings of the movie will go down soon.
Ayesha wrote: "^^ Yeah, I too think it must be her fans who gave the high ratings. I've read few negative reviews on it too (probably written by the people who didn't read the books) and they've called it cliche..."I hope so. Stuff like that doesn't deserve a high rating just because the fans think it's a godsend.
^^ Since the movie is out now, I'm hoping that reporters will bring up the topic of plagiarism in the books and unleash Clare's cyberbullying issues to the world. I'll throw a party if the movie gets less than 6 stars by the end of the week.
Ayesha wrote: "^^ Since the movie is out now, I'm hoping that reporters will bring up the topic of plagiarism in the books and unleash Clare's cyberbullying issues to the world. I'll throw a party if the movie ge..."That would be too good to be true. Way too good. I have still some hope left but not much.
Ayesha wrote: "^^ Since the movie is out now, I'm hoping that reporters will bring up the topic of plagiarism in the books and unleash Clare's cyberbullying issues to the world. I'll throw a party if the movie ge..."I hope so too!! God, that'd be fantastic. Haha, I wanna join the party!
I don't know if the series should be taken seriously since it dabbles in spousal abuse (Clary's mom and Valentine), incest, and the fact that Sebastian beats a 9 year old to death with a hammer. The fact that the writer doesn't treat hose subjects well only makes it worse.
Maybe it should not but it is. People only say "its just fiction" when they have no actual defence for the books disturbing topics. Not to mention that the crazy fans these books inspire seem to be legion.
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Cassandra, if you’re going to talk about bullying, you better give the whole story.
Tell everyone how I got over 700 death threats like the ones above from your fans. Tell them how a girl almost committed suicide over the hate she got for having the nerve to say she didn’t like your books. Tell everyone how I - and multiple others - asked you to kindly ask your fans to stop sending death threats.
Tell them how you refused.
Don’t play the victim in this. You haven’t received 700+ death threats. You didn’t recieve aerial pictures of your house. You’re the one who has done wrong here, and yet we’re the ones getting punished. And all because we have the guts to call you out on your crap.
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OMG, those crazy people, and C.Clare refused to tell her 'fans' to stop? WTF!?