City of Copying Other Great Works (Mortal Instruments #Too Many)

[Tanya]

Lara wrote: "i actually love reading the discussions about this series. i like the connections that people make to other stories....

does that make the book any less enjoyable for me? no....

the brother/siste..."
I would definitely tell you to stick with it then. Book 3 was the best and extremely well written and original.

[Kathryn]

Tanya wrote: "Lara wrote: "i actually love reading the discussions about this series. i like the connections that people make to other stories....

does that make the book any less enjoyable for me? no....

the ..."

I read your earlier post about you think people should finish a book before bagging it, and wanted to respond to this comment because I'll hopefully state better, the reason why I couldn't finish/keep reading and gave up.

If someone doesn't like a book, I don't think they should have to finish it. Some people aren't like that, and say you should finish it, but I'm just not that person. For me, I couldn't see the point in going on. It took me like three weeks, just to get through half of the book, and I just felt bored with it. The story didn't interest me, I didn't even like the story, the characters, the writing style, the story's elements, and to be honest, I really wanted to. I knew the series was popular, and I wanted to know why. I really did try to like it. I even thought it might be just me not wanting to read it at the time, so I put it down, then tried to re-read it, and the same thing...Just didn't like it. I just thought it was all just awful. Too forced or something. I felt it was a waste of my time, trying to read a book which didn't hold my interest, and I just didn't like. I read things like Stephen King, so maybe that's why. I just don't understand, and I am not saying this to be rude, so please understand, how can I read and get to the third book, which is supposed to be the best book in the series, if I can't get through the first one? Does that make sense?

[Maeve]

I think City of Bones and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows were released in the same year, thus I'm pretty sure the similarities are by chance not a real 'rip off'

[Tanya]

Kathryn wrote: "Tanya wrote: "Lara wrote: "i actually love reading the discussions about this series. i like the connections that people make to other stories....

does that make the book any less enjoyable for me..."

I guess I can understand where you're coming from. It took me 3 weeks to finish the last House of Night because I thought it was just plain awful. And with so many great books to choose from why waste the time. If you read a lot of Stephen King I could see your viewpoint as well. I think it was a really good foreshadowing for his pen name to be king very appropo.

[Diana ❀ ☺]

I LOVE THIS SERIES !! It's my favorite book series....I think the story Cassandra clare made is completely original ...Like come on I've never read a book with shadow hunters or runes in it !!!and all books have many things that are in common...Do you call those ripoff's too?? I never thought about Harry Potter when I read city of bones... I don't see any similarities between the two... as for star wars I have never read nor watched it.. But I think you should have gave it a chance and continued reading it because it is a great one..

[Sue]

Racheal wrote: "Themes, plots, and ideas will always circulate and be rewritten. It's the way the world works. There is no such thing as an original idea anymore. You can only try to make yours better, or more int..."
Well said Racheal! I agree that all themes and plots are eventually recycled...this is what creates a genre and come to think of it, isn't that why we gravitate towards these books. Because we like this genre! I for one enjoyed the book and will read the rest of the series too. I also agree that we should not bash authors. All books can't be classics, some are just for pure entertainment. If anyone thinks they can do better, then by all means, go out and write one yourselves!

[Cam]

I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be involved in this franchise. This author is horrible. I wouldn't have minded the use of plot "stealing" and already done character development, IF she even had a story to tell. I still have no idea what a stele does, and mostly anything having to do with the whole story. She has numerous editing mistakes, and too many similes that I wanted to vomit.

[Kathryn]

Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be involved in this franchise. T..."

HAHAHA! Your comment made me laugh!

[Diana ❀ ☺]

Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be involved in this franchise. T..."

I can't wait till the movie comes out..! Did you even give the book a chance?

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be involved in this ..."

I think it can generally be assumed that when people think a book is awful they've given it a chance. How else would they have an opinion on it?

[Kathryn]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be inv..."

Not to be rude, but that was my EXACT thought..haha

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight..."

I don't see what could be rude about you agreeing with me. :)
I don't like it when people ask if another person even gave the book/movie/show/song a chance. It's like they can't believe people who actually read the book can feel something other than gushing love for it. I know that's no what's intended, but that's always how it comes off to me.

[Kathryn]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while w..."

I completely agree. I just want to be sarcastic and say, "No, I didn't read it. The cover told me everything I need to know." hahaha!

[J.D.]

I dunno. there's nothing actually ORIGINAL left. Everything is a combination of other stories.
It's not so much a copy, as a point in a process. MI contains elements of HP, which had bits of whatever, you can trace it back to the bible, and beyond, probably...

[Jenna]

J.D. wrote: "I dunno. there's nothing actually ORIGINAL left. Everything is a combination of other stories.
It's not so much a copy, as a point in a process. MI contains elements of HP, which had bits of whatev..."

I agree that all works have elements of others, but I also think that Clare was a bit too close to Star Wars with her twist. It's one of the biggest twist in cinematic history. Even if someone hasn't seen the movie the quote, "Luke, I am your father," is pretty well known. It wasn't even handled well in City of Bones. I think the main problem City of Bones has is it's very awkwardly written. That's my opinion though.

[Diana ❀ ☺]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight in the Sahara desert than be inv..."

I aksed HER because she didn't have a rateing nor is it in her "read" section...

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while watching Twilight..."

So? I haven't rated a fraction of the books I've read in the past year, let alone ever. It could be they haven't gotten around to it.

[Diana ❀ ☺]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rather rip my toenails off while wat..."

but you've put them on your read section right..?

[Jack]

I never understood the problem people have with sexism in books. It's not affecting you, and it's actually helping to further characterize the people inside.

[Jack]

Also, you mentioned that they ripped off of Harry Potter.

You know what sounds oddly similar to carrying a Horcrux around your neck that's slowly corrupting you while you try to destroy it?

Carrying the One True Ring around your next that's slowly corrupting you while you try to destroy it.

Guess which book was published first.

Anyway, my point is, books rip off of other books. That doesn't make it a bad book. If done correctly, it can make it even better, and frankly, the author succeeded in this case.

[S.L.J.]

Jack wrote: "Also, you mentioned that they ripped off of Harry Potter.

You know what sounds oddly similar to carrying a Horcrux around your neck that's slowly corrupting you while you try to destroy it?

Carr..."

Yes, and the Star Wars trench flight scene was stolen from the Dambusters, and Yoda whispered 'Rosebud' before he died and LOTR is just a fantasy recreation of WWII.

Avatar is a futuristic retelling of Pocahontas, The Hunger Games is a spin on Battle Royale, blah, blah, blah.

There will always be something linked to something else in books, movies, music etc. Sometimes it's done on purpose, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it's great!

Someone who takes a whole bunch of links and stuffs them into the same thing isn't great. I think TMI simply used too many ideas from other things.

One or two is fine as long as you put your own spin on it (or at least tell readers before hand where you got your inspiration/ideas) but add half a dozen and don't even change them that much, it's not going to work.

[Katerina]

I personally did not like the Harry Potter series. I am somewhat of a romantic sap. I love that stuff. So HP, in my opinion, was boring. *gasp* Yep I said it. Anyway even though Miss Clare got ideas from other books she still combined those ideas with her own original elements. How do you think people write books in the first place? How do you think artists create their art? How do you think people invented the first computer? How do you think people do anything at all? It's all inspiration. Where else would anyone get ideas? You take one idea and build on it to create something else.

[miguel]

Doomy wrote: "I personally did not like the Harry Potter series. I am somewhat of a romantic sap. I love that stuff. So HP, in my opinion, was boring. *gasp* Yep I said it. Anyway even though Miss Clare got idea..."

So, true. except for the Harry Potter part.. haha (yes i know, everyone has their own opinions.)

[Taylor]

I enjoyed reading this series. I'm currently on the third book and all I can say is. I LOVE IT! I don't see how The Mortal Instruments have anything to do with Harry Potter and Star Wars, because I just don't see it. Mrs. Clare did a wonderful job at writing her books. I love them and I'm glad I got to read them.

[J.D.]

Jenna wrote: "J.D. wrote: "I dunno. there's nothing actually ORIGINAL left. Everything is a combination of other stories.
It's not so much a copy, as a point in a process. MI contains elements of HP, which had b..."

I'm not sure about star wars, really, loads of stories have people finding out they're each others brother or sister or mother or father. sometimes they're married with kids when they find out. It goes back to greek legend and beyond.
And doesn't the fact that in MI the brother and sister have the CRAZY HOTS for each other, while in starwars they're not that bothered about each other make them really rather different...
I'm being picky I know... sorry

[Jenna]

J.D. wrote:I'm not sure about star wars, really, loads of stories have people finding out they're each others brother or sister or mother or father. sometimes they're married with kids when they find out. It goes back to greek legend and beyond.
And doesn't the fact that in MI the brother and sister have the CRAZY HOTS for each other, while in starwars they're not that bothered about each other make them really rather different...
I'm being picky I know... sorry "

It's alright I'm picky as well. I was thinking that Star Wars is just so well known, some people can't help but think about it when they read this book. True both situations are different if you really analyze them piece by piece, but at a basic level they share a lot in common. Personally with this plot twist, I think Star Wars trumps City of Bones. I thought City of Bones used it as an excuse to have more angst between Jace and Clary and as far as I can tell (By just the first book and the second) is that’s all it’s there for. Also with the hint dropping in the beginning of the book, it wasn’t that much of a surprise to me. Is this twist even needed in the story? Does anyone think the story would’ve been better without it? Sorry I'm just curious about this sort of thing.

[C.C.]

Sammy wrote: "I forget who said it but they say that there are only 7 stories in the whole world and that all other stories are simply variations of those original 7.

1.man against man
2.man against nature
..."

My Lit professor also mentioned the 7 original stories. :D

I just started the Mortal Instruments and so far I like it. I believe that in every book you read, you would always see little bits of other books in it.

[Kadie D♥]

Racheal wrote: "Themes, plots, and ideas will always circulate and be rewritten. There is no such thing as an original idea anymore. You can only try to make yours better, or more interesting"


I agree with you and think you're totally right about that point.

All stories are just made up to make it interesting to read, always re-using the same drama, always having good guys and bad guys....

That's just simply how stories are, and that's how it will always be. Nobody want's to read stories with no drama or action.

[J.D.]

Jenna wrote: "J.D. wrote:I'm not sure about star wars, really, loads of stories have people finding out they're each others brother or sister or mother or father. sometimes they're married with kids when they fi..."

It is fascinating. You'll probably have seen that I write YA romance as well, and I love thinking about these ideas. One take on it is that the forbidden love idea is a classic trope in these stories (I use it in my own

Song to Wake to

The thing is that with Romeo and Juliet, or Bella and Edward, there's hope. That the circumstances might change, that the peoople around them will change their minds, that they can get away from the forbiddenness, but brother and sister is the ultimate. Theres no way you can make it okay. Either they change their minds and love other people - which dimishes the first love, or they're miserable forever - which few authors will do to their characters, or they find out they aren't in fact brother and sister - which means you kind of know whats going to happen.
The thing that bugs me more about the stories is the continued reliance on Jaces bad side to stir up tension. He's good, he's bad, he's good he's bad. From the end of city of fallen angels, we know he's going to some bad stuff, but can be fairly certain it'll be fixed in the end.

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I think I would rat..."

Nope. I'd have way more books in my read section if I bothered to do that. If I run across them I'll mark them and maybe give them a rating (I don't usually like to rate things unless I plan on posting a review for them too), but other wise I would rather spend my time discussing books and looking for new books to read.

[Jenna]

J.D. wrote:It is fascinating. You'll probably have seen that I write YA romance as well, and I love thinking about these ideas.

Wow, congrats on getting published!

I have to be honest though I personally don’t find Twilight or Romeo and Juliet to be powerful romances. Bella and Edwards romance seems to be made up of the fact that she smells good (Because I don’t think he would’ve given her the time of day other wise), and Romeo and Juliet is more of a tragedy then an epic love story for me. It’s the same for me with Jace and Clary. They have histories and family issues, but by themselves they feel pretty flat and shallow, and the scenes with them together don’t really add anything. Also I’m not sure if the romance improved the characters, or made them more annoying (I didn’t finish the series so I don’t know). Does Jace ever lose that attitude towards Mundane’s? Because that really irritated me.
Again I think I’m more for the subtle type of love story like Chihiro and Haku’s from Spirited Away. These two characters don’t ever confess their love for each other, but you know that there is something powerful between them. The story isn’t even specific to the type of love whether it be friendship or actual true love. However, the characters actions do all the talking, and the main character Chihiro actually develops on her own with out Haku taking over and dictating the story.

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Jenna wrote: "J.D. wrote:It is fascinating. You'll probably have seen that I write YA romance as well, and I love thinking about these ideas.

Wow, congrats on getting published!

I have to be honest though I ..."

I like to view Romeo and Juliet as a black comedy more than a tragedy. The story takes place over the course of a week, if that. Romeo and Juliet have one conversation before they decide "OMG Let's get married!", and they take half of Verona with them to the grave. It's not meant to be an epic love story about how wrong it is to stop true love, it's meant to be a story about how foolish teens are.

No, the shadow hunters never stop being racist/prejudice against mundanes. They always treat the status of being mundane as akin to being armless, legless, and lobotomized. It's ridiculous.

I love the romance between Chihiro and Haku. It's subtle, sweet, and innocent, but you can feel it in all their interactions. It's perfect. Even though it develops over a few days, but their actions show so much love, even when they're words never express it. It's such a refreshing change from PNR's, where all the love begins as lust, fueled by physical need, and only ever expressed in words but never action.

[Diana ❀ ☺]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Diana wrote: "Cam wrote: "I think this book was awful. I hear they are trying to make it a movie, I thi..."

oh ok.. I was just telling you why i asked her...I guess not much people mark the things they read..:)

[Jenna]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: No, the shadow hunters never stop being racist/prejudice against mundanes. They always treat the status of being mundane as akin to being armless, legless, and lobotomized. It's ridiculous."


I find it tragic because it took the death of two kids for the feuding families to realize that their fighting was pointless. I didn't really see it as a love story really.

Also another question about the shadow hunters, if they think humans are stupid, then why bother protecting them from the downworlders? Is the whole point of the war between the shadow hunters and the downworlders the fact that they eat/change humans? If not, then why are they fighting? The shadow hunters aren’t human so it’s not like they have any personal attachment to the race, and the only logical answer I can think of is that the angels told them that was their job and their sort of programmed to do it. However, Jace says in the book that he doesn’t believe in the angels, which brings me to ask what is Jace’s purpose in life? If he wants to be the best shadow hunter that’s fine, but what motive do shadow hunters have for killing demons? I know that was a lot more then one question, but hey I'm curious.

[S.L.J.]

Jace and the others really don'y get it. I think Dean Winchester summed it up best when he convinced Cas to defect...

DEAN: Why are you here Cas?
CAS: We've been through much together, you and I, and I just wanted to say I'm sorry it ended like this.
DEAN: Sorry? *PUNCH* (Cas is unfazed. Dean tries to hide how much it hurt his hand) It's armageddon Cas! You need a bigger word than 'sorry'!
CAS: Please, try to understand, this is long foretold, this is your-
DEAN: Destiny? Don't give me that holy crap! Destiny, God's plan, it's all a bunch of lies your poor stupid son of a bitch! It's just another way for your bosses to keep me and keep you in line! You know what's real? People, families, that's real. And you're gonna watch them all burn?!
CAS: What is so worth saving?! I see nothing but pain here! I see inside you, your guilt, your anger, your confusion. In Paradise all is forgiven. You'll be at peace, even with Sam.
DEAN: You can take your peace and shove it up your lily white ass! Cos I'll take the pain, I'll take the guilt and the suffering. It's a hell of alot better than being sum Stepford bitch in Paradise! There is a right here and there is a wrong and you know it! Now, you were gonna help me once! You were gonna warm me about all this before they dragged you back to bible camp! Help me now! Please!
CAS: What would you have me do?
DEAN: Get me to Sam, we can stop all this before it's too late!
CAS: If I do that, we'll all be hunted, we'll all be killed!
DEAN: If there was anything worth dying for, this is it!
*Cas Faulters*
DEAN: You spineless, souless son of bitch! What do you care about dying, you're already dead?! We're done!
CAS: Dean...
DEAN: We're done!

[Jenna]

Sammy wrote: "Jace and the others really don'y get it. I think Dean Winchester summed it up best when he convinced Cas to defect...

DEAN: Why are you here Cas?
CAS: We've been through much together, you and ..."

*Blinks, then goes to google to look up these people* Sorry I haven't seen that show. Can you be a little more clear here please? I don't understand the context of this scene enough to understand your point.

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Jenna wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: No, the shadow hunters never stop being racist/prejudice against mundanes. They always treat the status of being mundane as akin to being armless, legless, and lobot..."

My guess is that they feel obligated to protect humans because they have the strength to, and they've been taught that that's what they should do. That's could even be where the superiority complex comes from.

[Jenna]

Makes a little since, which means Jace could of had the potential to become very, ah what's the term I'm looking for "Joker-wannabe-completely-missing-the-mark" There we go. His views against the humans could have led him to be a better villain then Valentine. Actually now that I'm thinking about it most love interest in YA novels could be better villains.
Patch from Hush Hush
Edward from Twilight...yeah I know I'm weird for thinking this.

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Jenna wrote: "Makes a little since, which means Jace could of had the potential to become very, ah what's the term I'm looking for "Joker-wannabe-completely-missing-the-mark" There we go. His views against the h..."

I completely agree with you. It's sad that so many YA villains fall flat when there are perfectly good villains available that are being mis-cast as the love interest. So much potential ruined by bad decisions.

[Jenna]

It's also kind of scary because these characters have influence over readers at times. Patch, for instance, his actions are really sinister in Hush Hush. Yet for some reason if a person is making you uncomfortable with their advances, this is considered "hot" if they are visually appealing. But if they are just average looking or ugly, this behavior is considered crossing the line as it should be anyway. We already judge people visually whether we are aware of it or not. I think people need to show the signs of a potentially dangerous relationship and the actions of a dangerous person as negative things rather then romantic. YA may seem like a harmless genre, but it can influence a reader if they don’t question what they read. Which is why I like these kind of forms. They may seem like “Hater” forms, but they bring up questions that the fan forms aren’t likely to bring up. Wow, this topic kinda veered into an entirely different direction.

[Grace]

rayful wrote: "So I'll come right out and say that I hated this book. I didn't even bother with the others because, uhm, there's really no point. What I don't understand is how people can really enjoy this book..."

I'm not sure about the sexism, but about everything else you are completely right. And I understand what other people have been saying about there being no truely original book themes anymore, but the way Cassandra Clare does it is so blunt.
Also its not just the copying that makes this book bad, its the dialoge, and the open spaces.
This book should have taken me a week, but it took me two months. So that's saying something. Anyway I'm just saying my opinion, so if you love this book please don't say I'm dumb or stupid or something like that.

[Kathryn]

I have the right to say whatever I want to, and so does everyone else. If people think its a rip off, they have the right to voice it if they want to. Sorry, if I sound a little pissed off at your remark, but people have the right to say whatever they want to. If you don't like it, you don't have to read or comment. I take my rights a little seriously these days. Why are you even on this thread if you loathe so much about people hating this series? Why the hell can't anyone just dislike something? Seriously? Just because you and other people like it so much, doesn't mean other people have to. No one can have an original thought and voice it any longer these days without someone telling them are wrong for having their thoughts. Seriously? If you like/love this series, then why are any of you on this thread?! I'm just sick of people telling us who don't like it, we should love it, or our reasons why we don't like it are WRONG. They AREN'T wrong. They are OUR opinions. I'm sorry...This series SUCKED. You know why? BECAUSE THAT IS MY OPINION! You may think it is a work of freakin' genius for all I care, and you know why...BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR OPINION! If you don't like the fact we hate something you don't, then why don't you get off of this thread, and go tell the world how much you love this series. I'm serious. Quit trying to shove down our throats how much you love it. Because there are people who don't, and won't change their minds no matter how great anyone tells them the series is. Sorry. End of story. I'm irritated with this thread.

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Regan ♥ wrote: "Oh, man. I absolutely loathe when people say this about the Mortal Instruments. I don't think you have the right to say this is a 'rip off' of any other works. Do you know where Cassandra Clare got..."

Uhhh, she got them from her story the Draco Trilogy, which was very clearly ripped off of other things as well, to the point of actual plagiarism. She had quotes she never identified from other sources like the Red Dwarf, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Terry Pratchett, etc. She had passages and elements from books in her story that she never even bothered to say weren't hers and never put a disclaimer on. Then, she literally copy and pasted parts from her plagiarized story and put them in her books. If people are wary of her it's because she's done more than enough to bring it on herself. Especially since she pitched a fit when she was caught plagiarizing, and never ever owned up to it.

[Kathryn]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Oh, man. I absolutely loathe when people say this about the Mortal Instruments. I don't think you have the right to say this is a 'rip off' of any other works. Do you know where Cas..."

haha, she was caught plagiarizing? Oh man..haha...*goes to look this up on google* :)

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Oh, man. I absolutely loathe when people say this about the Mortal Instruments. I don't think you have the right to say this is a 'rip off' of any o..."

She has a very colorful fan history. She was also caught profiting from fanfiction, which is a HUGE no no.

http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/Cassan...

Here's the full plagiarism story:
http://www.journalfen.net/community/b...

[Kathryn]

Found a few hits....Very interesting! I didn't know this until Turtles All the Way Down said this. Reasons why things aren't original any longer: #1 Plagairism!

http://www.fanhistory.com/wiki/Cassan...

http://www.journalfen.net/community/b...

[Kathryn]

Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Oh, man. I absolutely loathe when people say this about the Mortal Instruments. I don't think you have the right to say this is a 'r..."

Bwahaha! We posted the same stuff!

[Margaret]

Haha that's like saying all books with romance in it is all a rip off of the very first story with romance in it. Of course there are going to be similar ideas.

But if you're saying you think Harry Potter and Star Wars told their ideas better, then that'd be a more valid argument and I'm inclined to agree. :)

[Turtles All the Way Down]

Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Kathryn wrote: "Turtles All the Way Down wrote: "Regan ♥ wrote: "Oh, man. I absolutely loathe when people say this about the Mortal Instruments. I don't think you h..."

Lol, well you didn't my help to find them then. It's a long read, but it helps people understand why there are a lot of people out there, especially ones in the HP fandom, that don't trust Clare and don't like that she snagged a book deal. I've heard speculation that the deal was snagged thanks to Holly Black being a big fan of the Draco Trilogy, but I'm not sure.

Also, I'm sure people would stop bringing up her fan history if she had 1. Not used the same Pen Name, and 2. Not named the Mortal Instrument Series after a RonXGinny incest fic she wrote.

[Kathryn]

Jenna wrote: "It's also kind of scary because these characters have influence over readers at times. Patch, for instance, his actions are really sinister in Hush Hush. Yet for some reason if a person is making y..."

Wow, I thought I was the only one!! There are some other elements in this series which made me not want to finish the book. (I read half of it, and I couldn't go on...) I'm in my twenties, and I think I was 25 when I picked this book up, and I was surprised at some of the things in it. And you're right. Some of the subject matter in YA reads can be pretty adult and mature, and influential to a teen. Just because its meant for teens, and its fiction, doesn't mean people aren't influenced by it. Yeah, it should be the parent's responsibility, but at the same time, some people might find it harmless. You just never know with people these days...lol