Pandemonium (Delirium, #2) Pandemonium discussion


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Alex or Julian???

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message 251: by Haiqa (new) - rated it 4 stars

Haiqa Alex.


message 252: by Dani (new) - rated it 4 stars

Dani Ablack Nic wrote: "Lydia wrote: "The first book I completely fell in love with Alex, but now after this one.. Julian? I don't even know! If it wasn't for Alex, Lena would never of met Julian so maybe both of them ar..."

I hope so... I love alex!


Afnannn Alex <3. , though I like Julian !.
I might change my mind after I read Requiem


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Rani Simpson I have to say...I'm for Julien!! I didn't connect with Alex that much in delirium!! He was sweet and romantic and all that but Idk, I just didn't like him as much as I did say Peeta Mellark LOL! At first though I didn't see the allure, or pull Lena felt for him. But gradually I begin to cave a little and gave him a chance, and then he becomes a martyr and I loved him! Then I read pandemonium!! I totally clicked with Julien from the first time she saw him after the meeting at the Javir building! As many have stated before, Lena has changes, she has evolved!! Her Alex are different people now. Oliver has done as awesome job of staying true to real human emotion! Not like most YA books nowadays, and I hope she stays true to form. In our world It's emotional suicide to assume that you could just go back to the person you loved, lost, grieved and expect to be rainbows and butterflies (sometimes its better to keep the great memories you have of that love, the new ones could be like a bad sequel to a great movie. Leave well enough alone) I can't imagine it in the world of delirium! I'm babbling.....basically, I'm hoping she ends up with Julien!! I'm hoping this is not another unrealistic YA book, not after Hunger Games gave me so much hope that it all wasn't total bologna!


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Rani Simpson Darienne wrote: "I believe I remember reading in the second book that delaying the cure is dangerous...? Julian addressed this in his speech towards the beginning of the book. Delaying the procedure is one of the c..."

Julien 'had' brain cancer. The tumors were removed. So right now he is in remission! But um, the whole cure thing breaks down like this. They prefer you have it at 18. Being cured early could lead to complication but there is no cap on the age after 18. You could get it anytime after 18 just preferably bot before. And the doctors wanted Julien to delay the cure because he would likely die. He explains about the prior surgeries leaving scar tissue and stuff. Anyway 'he' pushed for the cure early because he wanted to die which he later tells Lena.


message 256: by Vicki (new) - rated it 5 stars

Vicki R ALEX! I'll be happy if Julian did not exist. Everything about him makes me throw up.


message 257: by Deena (new) - rated it 3 stars

Deena I finished reading Pandemonium today and I have no idea how to wait till 2013!!
Anyway, when I read Delirium, I fell in love with Alex, I loved the way he thinks, the way he talks, etc... You could see how much he loves Lena.
When I started reading Pandemonium I couldn't believe that he was dead, and I spent the first 150 pages or so waiting for him to make an appearance, then I realized that maybe he really is dead and I stopped waiting.
I didn't like Julian at first but the more I read the more I liked him, he's been through a lot; being sick and having to watch his father killing his brother and all, but he turned out to be strong. And by the end of the book I found out that I love him too. And since I thought Alex was dead, I wanted Lena to move on and Julian seemed like a great guy to be with.
And then the shock of the last word in the book (Alex)!! I really don't know who to choose or who is better for Lena, If she chooses Alex, she'll break Julian's heart and vise versa.
But then I think maybe Alex has changed so maybe it won't be so hard to chose , or maybe Lena will realize that she only fell for Julian because she missed Alex. I really don't know what to think !! And I have no idea how Lauren Oliver will end "Requiem", and how she'll make Lena choose.


Caitlin ALEX !!!!!!!!!!!!


message 259: by Yasmin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Yasmin TEAM ALEX ALL THE WAYYY!!


Rashida Decina I love both...the guys, especially Julian and Alex


message 261: by Nida (new) - rated it 5 stars

Nida I really really want Lena to pick Alex ! He taught her how to love. He awoke her from the delusion that love was dangerous. He changed her and made her see how beautiful life can be if you take risks. I like Julian, but common how can you deny Alex?!


message 262: by Fatima (new) - rated it 5 stars

Fatima I just finished reading the 2nd book and I feel in love with Julian but the thing is I was already in love with Alex it is going to be hard when Lena finally choices or if she does (lets hope she does if not I will throw the book somewhere lol) anyways I love both but it has to be Alex I mean he was the first one and it would kind of defeat the purpose I think if their love doesn't conquer there is no point! BTW my heart broke in the end!! Ah no I can not wait until Requiem!!


Caitlyn Julian :) and this is NOT my typical choice.. I like Alex but Alex&Lena just didn't do it for me. Or perhaps I just hated Lena too much in Delirium... I LOVED how Lena grew in Pandemonium, and was able to see more chemistry with Lena and Julian. Neither is undeserving of the other. and quite frankly with how Lena acted in the first novel she just didn't deserve alex and I couldnt fathom why he liked her... Now *new Lena* and Alex might work I don't know... further character development from both Alex and Julian is neccessary!!!


message 264: by Anna (new) - rated it 4 stars

Anna Alex Julian was nice but for Lena it's Alex. They connected more deeply than her and Julian EVER did. I'm Team Alex


message 265: by Maya (new) - added it

Maya alexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
he has been through a lot too. he had to grow up as an orphan living on his own and everythin. he risked his life for her gave up his freedom for her!!

i dont hate julian but i honestly wish he just falls for some one else or just disappears. i want her to end up with alex and thats final. i feel like the love for alex z more real and julian was more of a rebound to heal the broken heart and pain


Nazaree I'm team Julian all the way! But my sis. was on Alex team so that's when the war started.


Jennifer Honestly, I am so torn. It was Alex for most of the book, but Julian really grew on me and now I just don't know. I think I'm 51% in favor of Julian, simply because both Lena and Alex (I would assume) have both been through harrowing experiences and have likely changed as a result. To my best recollection, this is the first time I have been so torn over a literary love triangle!


message 268: by Rachel (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rachel Lor ALEX!!! I think Julian might die, or maybe end up with Hana?


message 269: by Temi (new) - rated it 4 stars

Temi Oladeji I Love Julian!!!!!Srry but when Lena was with Alex she kinda pissed me off...alot but know Julian brings out the best in her and his sweet but in a manly way. Alex seemed pretty annnoying to me and this book would have been perfect if the then part didn't stop coming up evry two pages...was sooooo fustrated.I thought the whole point of the book was to FORGET! about the pass. I've always been for first loves but seriously this is the only book I know her both guys have a fighting chance. Excited for next one XD


message 270: by Erica (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erica idk,cause Alex and lena both changed and growed apart.


message 271: by Deanne (new) - rated it 4 stars

Deanne Amy wrote: "ALEX! She fell in love WAY too fast! I mean the guy that you loved that risked his life to save you supposedly dies and your with a new guy in about a year?! Lena should have grieved more. If she c..."

agreed.


Caitlyn Temi wrote: "I Love Julian!!!!!Srry but when Lena was with Alex she kinda pissed me off...alot but know Julian brings out the best in her and his sweet but in a manly way. Alex seemed pretty annnoying to me and..."

I Agree 100% that is how I felt reading the books!!! The clockwork Prince by Cassandra Clare is even more difficult to tell which guy will get the girl, fabulous book :)


Danielle I'm a little torn because I was heartbroken over Alex at the end of Delirium... I almost threw my book across the room. But after reading Pandemonium, I fell in love with Julian. I feel sad for Alex, but I think I'm rooting for Julian now.


message 274: by Sarah (new) - rated it 5 stars

Sarah Ann ALEX! ALEX! ALEX! ALEX! Forever. <3


Valerie Alex! He's way awesomer. Julian was kind of boring. I'm kinda mad at Lena for liking him in the first place.


message 276: by Megan (new) - rated it 5 stars

Megan I think that she will end up with Julian, because ALex is no longer in love with her because he has had the cure whilst in the Crypts. But secretly she will always love Alex best.

But yeh, Alex all the way!!! Im still hoping Lena ends up with him, he's awesome :)


message 277: by Deanne (new) - rated it 4 stars

Deanne Megan wrote: "I think that she will end up with Julian, because ALex is no longer in love with her because he has had the cure whilst in the Crypts. But secretly she will always love Alex best.

But yeh, Alex al..."


Did he really get the cure? I read it a while ago and don't remember that part.


message 278: by Kit (new) - rated it 4 stars

Kit I don't think Alex was cured.I think he was just mad,I mean who wouldn't?He sacrificed himself for Lena after they agreed to be together forever.He spent a lot of time in a horrible place and when he finally escaped and gets to see the love of his life....He sees her promising the same thing to another man and then kissing him.


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Maya CrushingonGuysFromBooks wrote: "I don't think Alex was cured.I think he was just mad,I mean who wouldn't?He sacrificed himself for Lena after they agreed to be together forever.He spent a lot of time in a horrible place and when ..."

i agree with u !!! julian was a rebound for her and alex poor alex my heart aches for him.


message 280: by Yhen (new) - rated it 3 stars

Yhen Villas Some of you guys actually hated Julian. Why is that?

If Alex really died, would he like it if Lena is miserable and sad? I mean, Lena believed that Alex is dead, how can some of you blame her?

Don't say that Julian don't know "how to love" because he's just like Lena in Delirium. If Julian don't know what love is, then why did he chose to stay with Lena in the end? Is it because he wanted to stay alive? Of course not because once upon a time, he is a strict cure believer. If he's still that boy Lena met at the DFA meeting, would he still run away with Lena? Is it because he can't take the embarrassment if he stayed? Definitely not. Of course he fell in love at Lena too. Yeah, Lena fell in love with Julian way too fast, but love does not know any time.

You might think that I am too biased. I don't hate Alex. In fact, I love him so much, who wouldn't anyway? If you'll ask me, I like Alex's attitude and all but I want Lena to end up with Julian anyway. Kinda messed up, right? But come to think of it: Alex is Lena's first love. Not entirely true love. Anything can change. Maybe Julian is for her, not Alex. You couldn't weigh someone's loyalty and love based on his number of sacrifices.

And oh, I thought Lauren Oliver made it clear that this isn't actually a love triangle?


message 281: by Priscila (last edited Jun 09, 2012 07:07AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Priscila Patatas I prefer Alex to Julian, because I'm not a big fan of the guy having to be protected by the girl. Julian was really fragile, in my opinion. But I think he really loves Lena. On the other hand, Alex saved Lena's life, he made the bigger sacrifice one could make, his life for hers. So there's no one that loves Lena more than Alex. But I also think that is impossible for Alex to be alive, that his return was a bit forced. I think Julian should have a chance with Lena, what happened with Alex isn't his fault.
I'm not sure what to choose.


message 282: by Lily (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lily Alex was the first. He even sacrificed himself for her sake. But Julian also kinda sacrifices his "everything" for her. (Title, family etc.)
Why does Lena have to make such a dilemma???


message 283: by jenna (new) - rated it 4 stars

jenna I would definitely go to Julian. I dont know why but since I read Delirium I never really love Alex. I mean he's okay. He's the one who showed Lena the other side of her world. He's the one why Lena became Invalid but I dont know. I cant truly love his character. Instead I find myself loving Julian. maybe because Lena and Alex are so much the same. while Lena and Julian are different. you know what I mean???


message 284: by Hannah (new) - rated it 4 stars

Hannah Alex or die.

I do like Julian. A lot, actually. But still. Alex. Just Alex.
Lauren Oliver please let Lena end up with Alex. Please, please, please.


message 285: by Clary (new) - rated it 2 stars

Clary A Hannah wrote: "Alex or die.

I do like Julian. A lot, actually. But still. Alex. Just Alex.
Lauren Oliver please let Lena end up with Alex. Please, please, please."


I agree! :)


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Valerie wrote: "I think that in the next book Julian is going to find out that Raven and Tack set Lena and Julian up and he's going think Lena was in on it. Julian will be upset with Lena, and meanwhile Alex and L..."

Yeah - that sounds about right to me.


message 287: by Sofie (new)

Sofie ALEX MOST DEFIANTLY ALEX! HE WAS THE ORIGINAL IF I WAS LENA I WOULD JUST DROP JULIAN DOWN RIGHT THERE AND GO GIVE ALEX THE BIGGEST KISS EVER!!!!!!


message 288: by Tammy (new) - rated it 5 stars

Tammy Poor Julian but Alex.


message 289: by Janae (new) - rated it 4 stars

Janae Alex will always be my choice and Julian coming in isn't going to change that.


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message 291: by Katrina (last edited Jun 11, 2012 02:01AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Katrina Welsh I finished Pandemonium a couple of days before and I am kind of sad that it ended with a love triangle, especially because both guys are really strong characters. I was cringing every time she and Julian had 'moments' because no matter how much I liked him, I was never convinced that Alex was dead. I knew he was going to turn up at some point in the book, if not the series. I really like them both so much. But I'm gonna go for Alex. Julian is just learning about love now and the reason they fell in love with each other is because the resistance forced them into their confinement. Also, I reckon he could just as easily find someone else. But I have a feeling it'll be really difficult to read about Alex. He got hardened by the Crypts and he's not gonna see love in the same way. Seeing the love of your life making out with some other guy doesn't help either.


I just reread this and I realize that this is a very long, ramble-y comment. But this is the most coherent way I could vocalize my thoughts.


message 292: by Brice (new) - rated it 5 stars

Brice I am sooooooo Team Alex! I mean seriously, he's the first love. He sacrificed his life for Lena! That is TRUE love and Julian I don't think even realizes what true love is. Alex is really the only choice in this situation


message 293: by Janae (new) - rated it 4 stars

Janae Brice wrote: "I am sooooooo Team Alex! I mean seriously, he's the first love. He sacrificed his life for Lena! That is TRUE love and Julian I don't think even realizes what true love is. Alex is really the only ..."

I will always be Team Alex, despite that she fell in love w/ another guy.

Nic wrote: "Katrina wrote: "I finished Pandemonium a couple of days before and I am kind of sad that it ended with a love triangle, especially because both guys are really strong characters. I was cringing eve..."

These triangles are annoying and they are getting cliche and they suck.


Carolina I know, i really REALLY hate love triangules, i don't even know why the authors take their time to make them! They only ruin the book and make the principal character looks like a... You know...


Katrina Welsh Carolina wrote: "I know, i really REALLY hate love triangules, i don't even know why the authors take their time to make them! They only ruin the book and make the principal character looks like a... You know..."

I guess they add interest and excitement to a book and I know others really enjoy reading it. But I agree with you. I just don't like them. And more often than not, the book becomes governed by the love triangle, especially with a book about love, with a female perspective.


message 296: by Lara (new) - rated it 4 stars

Lara Alex all the way! I love Julian but there is something about Alex that I cant shake off. ♥


Carolina " Katrina - wrote:
Carolina wrote: "I know, i really REALLY hate love triangules, i don't even know why the authors take their time to make them! They only ruin the book and make the principal character looks like a... You know..."

I guess they add interest and excitement to a book and I know others really enjoy reading it. But I agree with you. I just don't like them. And more often than not, the book becomes governed by the love triangle, especially with a book about love, with a female perspective."

Yep, i know, i mean, sometimes love triangles can be interesting, only SOMETIMES, But other times the only thing that they do is to drive CRAZY the reader and at the end the book the reader ends up hating the main character or the author.

*****

Nic wrote: Katrina wrote: "Carolina wrote: "I know, i really REALLY hate love triangules, i don't even know why the authors take their time to make them! They only ruin the book and make the principal character looks like a...."

That's what makes Divergent so AWESOME!! There is no LOVE-Triangle in it... And Four is HOT enough without another interest

AND YEAHH Veronica Roth is a genious.

p.s. I wrote triangles instead of triangles whoopsie :)


message 298: by [deleted user] (last edited Jun 18, 2012 06:16AM) (new)

msprongs wrote: "I found myself pissed at Julian during the majority of the book.
I was just like "don't be a whore, Lena. It's only been 6 months."
I was screaming at my book, guys.
Alex all the way.
Even though h..."

God, u read my mind! AGH, I KNEW this was coming, but I was hoping the 2nd love interest would at least be a BIT swoon-worthy like Alex was; to a point where I wouldn't be annoyed with him. No such luck. Whenever Lena and Julian had a "moment" (I felt like they're whole relationship was just a fling, honestly), I kept NARROWING my eyes, praying for Alex to quickly make his dang reaapearence. I hated the sequel-not just because of the absence of Alex, but due to the fact that I saw too many holes in PANDEMONIUM, and was disappointed how it didn't even match up to DELIRIUM- romance and all. So from the first point that I realized there's a second guy, and had the deep suspicion Alex would return, TEAM ALEX ALL THE WAY!
<3 <3 <3


message 299: by [deleted user] (new)

Seriously, Alex. Julian felt flat to me, wimpy, and he's o-kay, but the relationship with Lena felt more like lust than love... so Alex all the way (who I was rooting for even before I started the 2nd book cuz I had a deep suspicion he was alive.) And I really think she truly LOVES Alex more than Julian-I mean, c'mon! She keeps MENTIONING him in her thoughts whenever she's with Juli-blah! And comparing the two! And yeah, she does say a line that DOES irk me: "I feel more comfortable with him than any other person, even Alex." Honestly, I don't buy it. Lena and Juli-blah's relationship felt waaay to forced to me. Yeesh, Alex, Alex, ALEX!!! <3 Anyone notice, though, that Lauren made Alex sound less good-looking compared to Juli-blah in the second book? I mean, she basically CHANGED his descript! In DELIRIUM, Alex's described to have golden brown hair with lovely autumn eyes that change-kinda like how Juli-blah's does. In the second book, Alex's described to have AUBURN hair and BROWN eyes. Hmmm. Anyone catch that? It's REALLY bugging me!
Alex until the end! ~<3


message 300: by Janae (new) - rated it 4 stars

Janae Ro wrote: "Seriously, Alex. Julian felt flat to me, wimpy, and he's o-kay, but the relationship with Lena felt more like lust than love... so Alex all the way (who I was rooting for even before I started the ..."

Bugs me too, why would she detone his hot looks? He is so much more than auburn hair and brown eyes.


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