Pandemonium
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Alex or Julian???
Alex! :D I love him
Janae wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "yeah i get kind of stuck into Goodreads sometimes, i have NO LIFE because of this ;), if it's wierd that i love talking about books with s..."lol same here especially since my friends have like a 5th grade reading level ha-ha :D
Julian :)First time I've ever liked the "second guy" in the love triangle better than the first love. I was surprised. If Alex is a bitter jerk in the next book, I will deff be rooting for Julian. She had no way of knowing he was alive, and he couldn't have expected her to just never move on.
Vanessa wrote: "Julian :)First time I've ever liked the "second guy" in the love triangle better than the first love. I was surprised. If Alex is a bitter jerk in the next book, I will deff be rooting for Julia..."
Lena did not have "no way" to do that Alex was alive. Like when she was looking through the prison records she could have looked for Alex's name but she was to busy making sure fragile little Julian was safe and sound *rolling eyes*.
Alex was attacked Lena ASSUMED he was dead she didn't even bother to verify it. It didn't even take Lena a YEAR to "fall in love" with Julian. Julian was really just a rebound.
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "Julian :)First time I've ever liked the "second guy" in the love triangle better than the first love. I was surprised. If Alex is a bitter jerk in the next book, I will deff be r..."
It's my opinion. I like Julian's character better than Alex's. She didn't look through the prison records because she thought he was Dead. And she had every reason to believe he was :p
I'm not saying that I hate Alex, cause I don't. There's something about a first love that makes me want to root for him. But as of right now, I'm with Julian.
Vanessa wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "Julian :)First time I've ever liked the "second guy" in the love triangle better than the first love. I was surprised. If Alex is a bitter je..."
I completely respect you opinion it is a free country. However, judging from how much she thought of Alex and wished he was alive I thought she would do everything she could to see what happened to him and verify if he was dead or not.
I never really connected with Julian's character the way I did with Alex's. And Julian and Lena's relationship didn't seem real like Lena and Alex's but alas there is so much we don't know until 2013...
I crown Lauren Oliver queen of all devestating cliff hangers lol :D
Lol I feel ya. When I started the book I thought she was stupid for not investigating whether he was truly dead or not. Shot most certainly does not equal death. Then I realized I liked Julian better. I'm sure I could fall back in love with Alex again though.
Can't wait for the next one! It's hard to predict what'll happen lol. Unless she just kills one of them off..that wouldn't surprise me. Or find a new lover for the poor guy who doesn't get chosen or whatever.
Vanessa wrote: "Lol I feel ya. When I started the book I thought she was stupid for not investigating whether he was truly dead or not. Shot most certainly does not equal death. Then I realized I liked Julian..."
well Requiem is from Hana and Lena's POV so maybe Julian will end up with Hana XD
Oh cool! I havent heard about that till now lol. Yea, I'm betting then that One of them will end up with Hana. I was wondering what happened to her!
Jeramiah wrote: "Fary wrote: "Emily wrote: "Alex Alex Alex!!! I was NOT able to connect with Julien at all! I NEED Lena to pick Alex! Lena pick Alex! i dont understand how she could forget about Alex and fall for a..."I really like ur review and everything but this means ur team Alex, right?? ALEX FOREVER!!
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Vanessa wrote: "Lol I feel ya. When I started the book I thought she was stupid for not investigating whether he was truly dead or not. Shot most certainly does not equal death. Then I realize..."
That. Would. Be. Perfect.
Everyone thinks that Requiem will be like Mockingjay Peeta being Alex and Gale being Julian but after reading Pandemonium (*cough* for the third time *cough*) I don't think so..I do agree that Alex definitely will change after all the torture and stuff that he has been through in the crypts but not as drastically as many think. I don't think they brainwashed Alex like what they did with Peeta in Mockingjay because when Julian asked Lena if she would stay with him forever and Alex said, "Don't believe her." That shows Alex still remembers Lena and her promises and their love that they shared together.
As for his eyes being "hardened" I think he just felt betrayed (I mean c'mon walk in on your love promising to stay with another man forever *ouch*). Plus maybe he didn't sleep, because escaping a bombing there is much time for the zzz's. There are endless possiblities.
Also, Peeta was rather weak so I don't think it took much to break him. Alex is a lot stronger then that plus he is smart it would take a lot of torture to break him. Personally, I don't think he was in the crypts long enough for them to do any permanent damage because like I mentioned before Alex is one tuff cookie, he isn't fragile like Peeta and Julian.
So I think the real Alex is still there but in a hardened shell that needs to cracked open ha-ha :D
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "I prefer Julian, not even sure why, i am just that sort of person who almost always goes for the second guy, my thought is that if she still loved Alex so much then how is it that she now loves Jul..."I absolutly agree!!!!!
Yea, I don't think they would be able to break Alex. I'm sure he might be real bitter towards Lena though, at least at first. I like Alex and Julian both (although as stated above, I prefer Julian lol) so I'll probably be happy with whoever she ends up with as long as the book lives up to the standards of the first two. (which I'm sure they will) :)
i loved Alex and wanted them to be together because teaching Lena what love is while they were falling for eachother was no easy task, he needed to work for Lena's love and almost die to keep her alive! he needed to make her love him and they know eachother so much better than Lena and Julian know eachother, i think the only reason Lena likes Julian is because they were desperate and had to save eachothers lives
Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined space for a period of time with a nice looking guy of course feelings were going to develop.However, with Alex and Lena's relationship they spent most of their time getting to know each other and just simply hanging out so not only did they grow to love each other but were also best friends.
Julian and Lena were both running for their lives. Lena was emotionally desperate and Julian never even touched a girl before plus he just found out most of his life was a lie. They never just spent time together without someone trying to kill them. Lena didn't tell Julian a lot about herself (but yes I know her previous life is "dead" however if I really loved someone I would tell them) she told Alex EVERYTHING about herself.
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined space for a period of time with a nice looking guy of course feelings were going to develop.Howev..."
You do have a point, like i said we will just have to see how it all plays out in the last book, maybe given enough time Lena would tell Julian all about herself, i guess it just depends what way Lauren Oliver wants to take the story xxx
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined space for a period of time with a nice looking guy of course f..."This is the LONGEST WAIT EVER!!! lol :D
But Lauren Oliver on her website said that its not really a love triangle....
I know Alex was her first love but I kinda like Julian better he seems more sincere! I honestly dont know how to choose though!!!!!
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined space for a period of time with a nice l..."Yeah i saw that, but it could mean anything, it's those sorts of hints that drive me crazy ;) xxx
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined space for a period of time with a nice l..."can u please send the link where it says its not a love triangle.
Alex tugged at my heartstring and Julian was plain annoying - sorry but ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Somaya wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Exactly I refuse to call Julian and Lena's relationship "love" because c'mon locked in a confined spa..."http://deliriumfandom.net/category/la...
Here's where I read it but I have seen it other places as well. Just scroll down to the random Q+A's on twitter. :)
Nic wrote: "As long as she doesn't make Hana and Alex together... Then I'll be like WTH?"Either that or she'll make Hana get with Julian, which i hope doesn't happen if only because it would be so damn predictable xxx
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "As long as she doesn't make Hana and Alex together... Then I'll be like WTH?"Either that or she'll make Hana get with Julian, which i hope doesn't happen if only because it would be s..."
Or who knows she could be with the mayor's son or maybe she won't be with anyone and she is the one who dies...
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "As long as she doesn't make Hana and Alex together... Then I'll be like WTH?"Either that or she'll make Hana get with Julian, which i hope doesn't happen if only..."
Maybe, im not sure how i feel about Hana if she was the one that told on Alex and Lena then she needs to seriously redeem herself...fast, because i dont really like reading the POV of someone who annoys the hell out of me. xxx
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "As long as she doesn't make Hana and Alex together... Then I'll be like WTH?"Either that or she'll make Hana get with Julian..."
I feel the same which is why I haven't actually touched that book!
I hate Hana, everything was her fault! Argh!
BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "As long as she doesn't make Hana and Alex together... Then I'll be like WTH?"Either that or she'll make Hana get with Julian..."
I know me too I hate the POV's of stupid characters... lol
I can't choose. I LOVE Alex don't get me wrong! and I found myself rooting for Alex to come and save the day, and for Julian to back off, but Julian is very sweet!, and all of this is new too him, and I will always love Alex how he risked his life to save her! and how.. I just can't continue I will cry.. I love you Alex!! 3 my heart broke at the end of Pandemonium.
Alex, obviously.Think of all the things he did for Lena. They became friends first, unlike with Julian, where they just bounce into kissing. Lena was sad, and lonely, and she just needed a shoulder to cry on.
Her and Alex's relationship was real.
So Alex. :)
Carolina wrote: "I hate Hana, everything was her fault! Argh!"Well have all the answers in the third book when I finished readIng her POV I was like that .... But she did help Lena send the message to
Alex so well wait and see
However, it it wasn't for Hana then Lena wouldn't have even met Alex or get a taste of the "rebellion". When you think of it Hana is the one who put this whole story into motion.
Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "However, it it wasn't for Hana then Lena wouldn't have even met Alex or get a taste of the "rebellion". When you think of it Hana is the one who put this whole story into motion."I agree!!!
Well Hana must be important or Lauren wouldn't dedicate at least half of the book to her POV, i was angry when i read Hana's novella as it seemed very likely that she told on Lena and Alex, but the more i think about it the more i understand her decision she just didn't want to lose her best friend, i do believe she can redeem herself if Lauren Oliver allows her to, like i said before anything could happen thats why i like the series it's just one suprise after another xxx
Nic wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "However, it it wasn't for Hana then Lena wouldn't have even met Alex or get a taste of the "rebellion". When you think of it Hana is the one who put this whole ..."True true but remember when they were running and HANA decided to run over to the crypts yard where they weren't supposed to be where Alex was the guard and he invited Lena to the beach to see the sunset..
Also, when Hana decided to go to that forbidden party and Lena followed her there. Lena danced with Alex at the party that HANA was at.
Nic wrote: "STILL. Lena saw him first, they may have met in another way, WITHOUT Hana."Yes Lena 'saw' him but without Hana that's all she would have done like I said before Hana was the whole reason that they actually talked and communicated without cows running wild
Lena and Alex could have met another way but I seriously doubt it...
ALEX TODA LA VIDA!!!!
When I finished Delirium I was mad at Alex, and at the end of Pandemonium I was even madder at him. For plenty of reasons.First off, in the end of the first book Alex had at the last minute abandoned Lena when she was her most vulnerable. She was climbing a fence into a world she never got the chance to really explore and had been forced into; I'm surprise that she didn't die wandering around in there. Besides that, what were you doing Alex, just watching her go there, standing at the other end of the fence, not moving, not even trying to follow? What the heck!? Just watching the men come closer and closer to you, shoot you, and then tackle you to the ground; that is enough time to climb, fall to the ground in your rush, and run of with her. WHAT. WERE. YOU. THINKING? You couldn’t possibly be paralyzed by the fact of retreating to your birth place. Honestly!
So I was a little desperate to see Alex get a retribution at some point during the second book, but when he only showed up at the end (at the worst point in time, if I might add) and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is: "Don't believe her." Needless to say, I threw my book to the floor and seethed for a while before I finally finished the last page. What a hypocrite! You sacrificed yourself for absolutely NOTHING, made Lena believe that you were dead and gone, and when you come to find her again, you spew THAT in her face?!
I'm sorry for all of those Alex fans out there but his character keeps making me bristle every time I think of him. I hope she gets to scream her lungs out at him for at least four pages; otherwise I will never like the name Alex ever again. Ugh. Which stinks because I bet it will never happen; she'll just throw her arms around him, he'll still be bitter towards her, she'll beg for forgiveness, and leave Julian in the dust.
I like Julian, silly, naive, and oblivious Julian I find is quite smart, resourceful, and quicker than Lena was when she first learns about Invalids. (Granted a better circumstance) But he trusted her from the beginning. And helped her through every opportunity he had the chance to abandon her.
Just because Alex is cool, to me, if I was to fall in love, I'd want someone who would be by my side through everything, not just be chivalrous for his own pride, and then expect everything to work his way.
I pray to god that someone will just get their due during the third book.
With Julian a new and innocent, learning character; Lena with her just cracking heart, with past sadness falling away; and then Alex the idiot who was gone for an entire century it feels like, only to come back as a douche.
I don't know who will win; I am just hoping that Lena won't go to Alex for guilt reasons. We have enough of those desperate YA characters to throw in the corner, we don't need another.
Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."Mate, this is a website for people who love books more than having life, to us these ARE real people.. or at least we wish some of them were ;) xxx
Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."Mate, this is a website for people who love books more than having life, to us these ARE real people.. or at least we wish some of..."
True but as long as it doesn't turn nasty, then what the hell whats the point in talking about books if we cant all argue, nicely, about them xxx
Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."Mate, this is a website for people who love books more than having life, to us these ARE real pe..."
Same, we will protest our right to argue respectfully jks...sort of ;) xxx
Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."Mate, this is a website for people who love books more than having life, to us these ARE real pe..."
I'm about to defend my Alex. . .respectfully ha-ha >:D
KT wrote: "When I finished Delirium I was mad at Alex, and at the end of Pandemonium I was even madder at him. For plenty of reasons.First off, in the end of the first book Alex had at the last minute aband..."
Alex didn't try to move because if he did then they would have chased them both into the wilds which would have put not only Alex and Lena in danger but also the people of the wilds. Either that or they would have electrified the fence and killed them both. So with the police distracted trying to capture Alex he gave Lena a chance to get away safely. I personally think Alex had a plan of getting out to be with Lena. Also, when Alex and Lena went into the wilds for the first time he taught her how to read the map on the trees so he didn't just abandon Lena.
I think Alex deserves to be mad on every sort of ground because I mean back to what happened in Delirium, Alex freaking sacrificed himself so Lena could get away safe. Then endured the crypts where they were doing god knows what to him just to find Lena smooching up some other guy at the end of Pandemonium! It didn't even take Lena a YEAR to start a relationship with Julian. Alex was just attacked Lena ASSUMED he was dead she didn't even bother to verify it because she was to busy making sure fragile little Julian was safe and sound. *rolling eyes* It wasn't even hard to find out if Alex was alive like when she was looking through the prison records she could have looked for Alex's name but did she noooo because she was to busy protecting little Julian.
As for "Don't believe her" it was like Alex saying, "Don't believe her when she says forever because she said that too me too and she didn't even look for me or verify that I was dead and it didn't even take a year for her to fall for you"
Nic wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."Mate, this is a website for people who love book..."
me either *sigh* some people lol :D
Nic wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Nic wrote: "Sheyenne Tallyn-Goodfellow;) wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "BridieJDRAGON wrote: "Nic wrote: "People. Fictional characters."..."
hmmmm....hard to say really so it would be eaiser just to tell what I DON'T think is going to happen ha-ha:
Alex won't become like Peeta in Mockingjay and he won't "change" as drasically as many think
Lena will NOT end up with Julian (she better not or I will throw a tantrum lol)
I think that Hana will not be cured
Julian will die because Requiem is almost always associated with death and mourning
There will be a big clossial war
That's really it but Lauren Oliver always keeps us on our toes ha-ha :D
i just hope Lena ends up with Alex. i wonder whats gonna happen the other pov of the book will be from Hana's i have so many questions that i need to be answered!I think alot of people are going to die like hunter, raven.. lena will be reunited with her mom. but i think her mom might die later in the book.. maybe hana will help with the resistance since she is engaged to the mayors son..
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It was kind of a short time for Lena to fall in love, she spent something like a year or so mourning Alex. She thought he was dead, so staying so connected to him would have hurt her more than it helped.