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Brigid ✩
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Dec 20, 2008 06:26PM
Well, you can't really blame Edward for being overprotective, considering that if he screws up the relationship and lets Bella die or whatever, he's not really going to get another chance ... considering that he's a vampire and all ...
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Lol but i was more refering to him having his siblings kidnap her....
the thing is twilight and the rest of the series is just a trashy love story in hard cover which must be a mistake and meyer isnt the first one w/ the vampire scheme! Vampires have been around since the 70's and everyone loved them then too! I mean not to mention meyer's 'pires are frickin' stupid! She sure has an imagination BUT ITS NOT A GOOD ONE! I'm not really imressed by something NEW and DIFFERENT it still has to be GOOD to catch my attention!!
Yeah, Vamps have been around a long time i dont think she has the right to go make them sparkle.....
But Sparkling is pretty! haha, sorry, my inner Ralph took over. I like Twilight, just as a story. I got through it in a day, and it's a pretty good book. But if you start focusing on it, it gets stupid. But that's the way it is with a lot of popular best sellers. It's a book I read fast, I enjoyed it while I was reading, it wasn't until I started talking about it I realized how stupid and anti feminist it was.
yeah ... either it's like "i hate twilight" "me too" or "i love twilight" "me too". really, twilight haters are just as obnoxious as ppl who obsess over twilight.
We don't go around with ridiculous shirts that say "I heart EC!!!" We don't go in Lovers groups and post about how we hate twilight. And we don't believe in fake stalkers like Deadward Cullen. What have we done that's so obnoxious? Make a group about our opinion of the series. Wow, we're really obnoxious because we have a different opinion. *rolls eyes*
I critique books to a obnoxious ammount. thats why i hate it,
Oh im sorry Ms Pattison she didnt mean to insult your fantasy love life.Sorry!
(HI KHOLE!)
☼☼Khloe☼☼~*~GeT bOrN aGaiN~*~ wrote: "We don't go around with ridiculous shirts that say "I heart EC!!!" We don't go in Lovers groups and post about how we hate twilight. And we don't believe in fake stalkers like Deadward Cullen. What..."I beg to differ ... Haters DO go into Twilight lovers groups just to say that they hate Twilight. And FYI -- Twilight lovers do not believe that Edward Cullen actually EXISTS. Come ON.
As a matter of fact, you are pretty much serving as an example as to why Twilight haters bug me: because they seem to think they have a right to categorize all ppl who like Twilight as screaming, brainless, teenage girls who think that vampires are real. And then when I try to reason with Twilight haters and just agree to disagree with them, they still insist on being RUDE and SARCASTIC to me.
Plus, all Twilight haters give the same arguments -- most of which I find pretty outrageous -- as to why Twilight is a bad book. If you want to hate Twilight, fine. But you can't convert ppl to Twilight Hater-ism. I get sick of ppl writing long rants to me about how Twilight is so horribly written and a bad influence and edward is a creepy stalker blah blah blah.
That's why I find a lot of Twilight haters obnoxious; they try to convince me that I'm such an idiotic conformist for liking Twilight, and then they start LECTURING me. Is that not annoying?
Well Brigid, in our haters group we mainly talk about the Twilight lovers that we have encountered, so i suppose were generalizing a bit but we're biased :PMs Pattison came into the group and called us "Irresponsible pests" for having our own group (which i dont understand). So when we say that Twi-hards are brainless we are speaking about the ones who tell us that its rude h=to have a group where we talk about hating twilight, whereas its fine to have a group where you love it. No haters that i know are in any of the Lovers groups, but im sure there are plenty haters who have joined, which i find stupid. If you want to debate go to a debate group--dont go to the opposites group and yell at them and call them retards.
*whispers* Because it makes you look stupid.
" YOU brought me into this. so don't talk about me. You have enough issues. Hmm...? I think you're going to ask me a question after you read this and just to tell you: I'm NOT going to answer it. (: Okay first of all i was just using you as an example to better state my point and " You have enough issues" I dont know what thats supposed to mean, but it kinda sounded like on of your dull comedic insults :)
Me and Khole are speaking from our experience with brainless Twi-hards who come into our group. Last time i checked i was not a member or Twilight Luvers or any of the lovers groups. I have no problem with Twilight lovers, except when they come into the group and call us names (Ms Pattison in not talking about you, we've had many other Twi-hard break ins)
In conclusion.......I might have been generalizing a bit, and i apologize for that. I wont call you stupid for disagreeing with me (Unless you insult me first--knee jerk reaction)
Mrs. Noretta Pattinson!!! said: I think it's VERY insulting if you write Deadward Cullen, Khloe. You want to know what I think is insulting?!! People who think it's ok to come in and trash our group, and while you were spamming our group Mrs. Noretta Pattinson, you specifically insulted me.
And Brigid, it's not just Twilight Haters who call other people idiotic for liking Twilight. You should read some of the stuff Twilight Loves have posted in our group. (HEY CHAN-CHAN!!)
Hi Khole!!! I agree with you on both accounts, but do you think you could edit it to make it seem nicer? Sorry, i was just made a moderator and now i have to keep peace (Which im not very good at but you already know that :P)
lol I'm sorry! That's what I just asked Jes about in the Twi-Haters group! I felt a little bad!
twilight is a lovestory tht makes girls want to find a guy like edward this book can be good and bad....its good when you want to keep reading and its bad when girls get obsessed with edward and dont want a single guy with flaws
♫i love the soundtrack to it ....it had some awesomess songs on it
Riley - "But Sparkling is pretty! haha, sorry, my inner Ralph took over. I like Twilight, just as a story. I got through it in a day, and it's a pretty good book. But if you start focusing on it, it gets stupid. But that's the way it is with a lot of popular best sellers. It's a book I read fast, I enjoyed it while I was reading, it wasn't until I started talking about it I realized how stupid and anti feminist it was."I agree with you totally!
And I think meyer tried to make it so that Edward did have flaws its just that from the reader's perspective which is Bella's he doesn't just like in real life a lot of girls don't think their boyfriend has any flaws and that's how much they like them so for that part I think she had it pretty down pat but she didn't need to make it so anti'feminist if the people meant to read it are girls! I mean I don't understand what statement she was trying to make!
but if a girl is looking for a bf then they want a bf tht has no flaws like edward and then they seem conceited or stuckup
yeah well they might find someone who they THINK has no flaws right? I mean obviously if they REALLY like someone they won't subject themselves to wait for some, Mr. RightERi don't think that aspect of twilight should be taken too seriously
yea....exactly ppl think its bad with vamps and werewolves but they never rele hurt anyone
i like twilight.no, im not obsessed to the point where i scream when someone says edward or to the point where i pray i become a vampire. but i like it. i can see why you don't, edward's perfection is unrealistic and sometimes annoying and stephanie meyer's writing does tend to get a little dry. but i think the whole plot was very creative, and i like bella despite the fact that's she different.
It was a fun quick read but when you think about it its really bad. Bella isnt very differnt actually in teh end she gets married and knocked up by 19, which is pretty typical nowadays.
look ... i know that some twilight lovers are very annoying. but most people who like twilight are perfectly sane and decent about it ... it's only the really annoying ones that get noticed, you see what i'm saying?i mean, i love the book, but i certainly don't believe that vampires exist or that i should go out in search of a boyfriend as perfect as edward. i really don't think the book is a bad influence ...
i mean, what next? you're going to tell me that harry potter is a bad influence b/c it encourages children to run into brick walls and go right through them? maybe alice in wonderland is a bad influence b/c it suggests that you should jump down large holes and expect to find yourself in some magical world? i don't see how twilight is more of a bad influence than any other fantasy book.
you make a very good point. not all of us our crazy, just a few of us!
More than a few. But I do see your point Brigid.
But I mean, Stephenie Meyers is promoting that is okay to get married and pregnant at 18.
well if girl and guys want to get married at tht age then go ahead and let them its there choice
Well, I think that anyone that thinks it's ok to get married and all that at 18 JUST because of Twilight is out of their minds. That's the whole point of the book; Edward and Bella have a relationship that most people don't even see in their lifetime. Marcus (the relationship-seeing vamp.) was shocked by Edward and Bella's relationship. That's why she gave up her life for him in order to join him in royal vamp-ness.
for crying out loud the book isn't ENCOURAGING girls to get married and pregnant at eighteen. as a matter of fact, it causes a lot of conflict in the story -- so, if anything, it's DISCOURAGING it.just because something HAPPENS in a book does not mean that it ENCOURAGES it to happen!
would you say that Frankenstein, for example, encourages people to go make monsters out of dead body parts?? NO.
A lot of conflict like what? She gets a gorgeous, genius baby girl that she shouldn't technically have gotten? They skip over all the tricky parts of taking care of a baby? She has a huge family that adores the baby and will take care of her whenever they want? She gets her daddy back? Tell me what kind of conflict it causes, because I honestly am not seeing it.
Well, I thought it was a good fantasy book, and I enjoyed it. It's only when you start examining certain parts of the book...And Brigid, I agree with you, although:Many children, after watching Home Alone, started setting up traps around the house that their parents triggered. Many parents ended up in the hospital.
Home Alone is a good movie, but, if the wrong, naive people are watching it, it can become a bad influence. Same thing with Twilight. If you are a smart person, you realize that it is fiction, and that in real life it would cause many problems, although, in the book, it doesn't. But to the desperate teenage girl, with less than average marks, that wouldn't seem like the problem. And now it seems like we're targeting PEOPLE instead of the BOOK. Again, I enjoyed it, and I realized it was fiction, and that many things in there are weird and unlikely. But it's the same way with Harry Potter, and many other fantasy books, yet there's not nearly as much conflict. It's just because Stephenie Meyer threw a love story in there that many people dislike it. Young girls, naive girls, like Edward. Some older girls like Edward too, and hope to find their own Edward. Some take it to the extreme, and those are the girls who need a reality check. Or guys.
My fifth grade teacher enjoys the Twilight books very much, and she is a smart woman, married to a husband who, for their 25th anniversary, took her to Hawaii. I don't know how old she is, but obviously, reading Twilight had no effect on how old she was when she married.
We have to remember where Stephenie Meyer comes from. She comes from a place where, if you like the guy, go ahead and marry him. That's the mindset many young women here in Utah have. And, God told us to go forth and populate the earth. So, it just makes sense to have children as early as we can. But I don't think that takes away from the story any. If anything, it adds to it.
I think that it's like Wuthering Heights. The people are so in love they don't care what happens to people around them.
Stephenie Meyer does not come from a place where "If you like the guy, marry him". She's a Mormon!! In Mormonism just because you like or love a guy, doesn't mean you should go ahead and marry him. He has to be worthy enough for you, and has to be within your own religion. In Twilight, she is going against her religion in a way.
Well, Khloe, Mormons are encouraged to marry within their religion, but it's not like, a rule xP.And, Riley, you're saying that God said to go a populate the Earth, right? Well, should I go get married right now and start having kids?
Oh, on top of that, Riley, you're pro-choice, right? Well, abortion is getting rid of part of earth's population. So, you're totally contridicting yourself.
NO! I am not saying that, that is against my beliefs! I am saying that that is what MORMONISM believes, and Stephenie Meyer is Mormon!
Honey, you're talking to two Mormons here. I think I know my own religion.
Okay. Alright. You're twisting my words, you're not getting what I'm saying.No, you should not get married right now and start having kids. Many people I have met who are Mormon believe that when the right guy comes along, you shouldn't wait. You should get married to them, and in the marriage bed have children. I don't believe in this. But Stephenie Meyer most likely does. And with that, we can deduct that she would put that in her book. And she does. I'm sure you know your own religion, but you didn't get what I was saying.
Wow this place got HEATED. Um...i think im gunna go....because i got friends from haters over here fighting with freinds from debate which puts me in an awkward situation (alos i have no idea what u guys are talking about)Soo.... *whistles innocently and runs away*
Heated? Lolz, I don't think so, I'm not mad :) Are you mad, Riley?
No, just a little frustrated with myself because nothing I say makes any sense to other people. ><
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