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Twilight (good reviews) vs. Twilight (harsh critisism)
Michael wrote: "And J, you are reading a DEBATE forum with the topic being whether Twilight is good or not. Not everyone who goes to see New Moon is going to think the series is awesome"
Don't make me sound so close minded. Of course I'm okay with some people not liking it. It's just a bit pathetic to go see a movie and pay eleven dollars solely to make fun of it. It's also rude, considering most people go to ENJOY the movie, and you're there to just snicker at everything that happens with your other fourteen year old friends.
Don't make me sound so close minded. Of course I'm okay with some people not liking it. It's just a bit pathetic to go see a movie and pay eleven dollars solely to make fun of it. It's also rude, considering most people go to ENJOY the movie, and you're there to just snicker at everything that happens with your other fourteen year old friends.
Michael wrote: "I was simply arguing that Bella and Edward do the break-up/make-up thing a bit much if this is an example of "true love will prevail.""
They only break up because Edward wants to let her have a healthy human life because he loves her. And what do you know, in the end, their love DOES prevail.
They only break up because Edward wants to let her have a healthy human life because he loves her. And what do you know, in the end, their love DOES prevail.
I'm sure that for every single plot twist, the book offers some kind of explanation of why it happened, and why Edward is still a really sweet guy, and why Bella, even though she seems like it through all of book one and through the plot synopses of the other three books, isn't a flat character. But after finishing Twilight and having heard the basic story lines of the rest of the books, I'm not moved to continue the series. This doesn't disqualify me from a discussion of the series's merits; I can expound upon the weaknesses of Twilight only if you'd like that. If that's the route you want to go, explain to me why the baseball scene in the thunderstorm isn't super-lame, and why it doesn't SUCK (no pun intended) that the climax of the book happens while the protagonist is passed out. (The fight with the badguy vampire who shows up 100 pages before the end of the book.)
Haha. I'm not going to make excuses for the bits of the book you didn't like! It's not my problem you didn't like it.I think Bella's quite a funny character, and something different from the 'standard' main character - likable, predictable, normal...But that's probably just me :)
By the way Michael - say something brilliant, would you please?
Nope, you don't need to make excuses for areas of the book I found lacking. I'm just doing my best to provide a little harsh critism :)I suppose my issue with Bella is in part because her personality felt somewhat inconsistent. For instance, she had read all of Jane Austen's books several times...and she's very familiar with classical music...but, whenever allusions are made, they are to pop culture. If she's an in-the-closet intellectual, I'd like to see that displayed more in the way she acts and/or thinks.
I was also baffled by the way all the boys had crushes on her. She didn't seem particularly friendly towards them. She also doesn't come off as mysterious, really (other than in the new-person-in-town kind of way). So, why are all the guys falling for her? This irked me, although I've read plenty of guy authors who do the exact same thing (only it's a guy who has every woman falling for him). So, it's not a big deal. But, in lots of ways, I didn't feel like I knew Bella well enough to care about her.
Something brilliant...crap, I've never been called out on that before. Can I get back to you on that?
Hahaha, I'm not a fan of the books, but I did check out your link, Lauren....wow, I might go and see the film after all! ;-)
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Michael wrote: "I was also baffled by the way all the boys had crushes on her."
Those boys were from a small town where nobody ever moved to and no one ever moved out of. They all knew each other for years. Then comes a new girl - so of course they're all interested.
Those boys were from a small town where nobody ever moved to and no one ever moved out of. They all knew each other for years. Then comes a new girl - so of course they're all interested.
Michael wrote: "Nope, you don't need to make excuses for areas of the book I found lacking. I'm just doing my best to provide a little harsh critism :)I suppose my issue with Bella is in part because her pers..."
Hmm, good points. About her Jane Austen reading and familiarity with classical music, I'm the same. I love Jane Austen and a lot of classic authors and composers, and I'm nothing like an intellectual. Anyone can enjoy those.
As for all the boys fancying her, I suppose she is better looking than she thought. Lucky girl!
Michael wrote: "Something brilliant...crap, I've never been called out on that before. Can I get back to you on that?"Haha. Take your time :)
Ailis wrote: "This topic is not for the 99% of girls who love Twilight to giggle about their Twilight heart throb.
It's me, and others who'll take my side, (you 1%) fighting against the majority to prove TWILIG..."
I liked the book at first, but as soon as people became overly obsessive it was when i realized how poorly written it was. The most annoying part is all the stupid girls crying over the extremely hideous Robert Pattinson he is so ugly its disturbing. Maybe if people werent so obsessed it would be ok, but this book is just poorly written.
It's me, and others who'll take my side, (you 1%) fighting against the majority to prove TWILIG..."
I liked the book at first, but as soon as people became overly obsessive it was when i realized how poorly written it was. The most annoying part is all the stupid girls crying over the extremely hideous Robert Pattinson he is so ugly its disturbing. Maybe if people werent so obsessed it would be ok, but this book is just poorly written.
Also, Kristen Stewart is a terrible actress.
I think she tries too hard to be dramatic her facial expressions are so fake, and they really need better actors if they want it to be a half way decent movie
I think she tries too hard to be dramatic her facial expressions are so fake, and they really need better actors if they want it to be a half way decent movie
Chandani wrote: "I absolutely posotively 100% Hate Edward.
but i LOVE JACOB!"
But i do love Taylor Lautner, he is cute but how do they think Robert P is cute..its gross
but i LOVE JACOB!"
But i do love Taylor Lautner, he is cute but how do they think Robert P is cute..its gross
Selena wrote: "Also, Kristen Stewart is a terrible actress.I think she tries too hard to be dramatic her facial expressions are so fake, and they really need better actors if they want it to be a half way decen..."
Kristen Stewart was a horrible choice for Bella. If the story was going to work, they needed actors and actresses that actually had emotion. Anyway, I think her acting was good in the movie Speak. But, that could just be cuz I liked that book better. :)
Definitely, the book made Bella and Edward seem extremely passionate for each other, i can see why people fell in love with the book, but Kristen Stewart portrayed it unwisely, she made it seem, i dont know, she just wasnt as passionate as the book made it seem.
Ha, my dad (Without reading it) has decided that the reason teenage girls like Twilight is because Edward is the type of person they want at that age. Someone who loves them so much, he'd sacrifice his life for you, who isobbsessive about you, which shows how wise teenage girls are, lol. I don't claqim to be above that way of thinking, but woman read romance novels, because woman....want romance. Ha, they want that in their life, so even if the writing is crappy they can relate to Bella in some way.People like Twilight, for the same reason I like Romeo and Juliet.
The charecter will do anything for the other. It's just in Twilight it doesn't cause their demise, so there is no lesson in the book.
Sorry for that long, rant-y random thing. :)
Selena wrote: "Also, Kristen Stewart is a terrible actress.
I think she tries too hard to be dramatic her facial expressions are so fake, and they really need better actors if they want it to be a half way decen..."
WOW. You judge way too harshly. Why don't you go try to act? She is a very good actress. If she was so terrible - they wouldn't have fucking casted her in the first place. Just because Robert or Kristen aren't fucking gods people decide to say they suck. They are HUMAN. They never said they were amazing actors or amazingly good looking, alright? And looks aren't everything. Kristen wanted Robert to play Edward because they worked well together.
I think she tries too hard to be dramatic her facial expressions are so fake, and they really need better actors if they want it to be a half way decen..."
WOW. You judge way too harshly. Why don't you go try to act? She is a very good actress. If she was so terrible - they wouldn't have fucking casted her in the first place. Just because Robert or Kristen aren't fucking gods people decide to say they suck. They are HUMAN. They never said they were amazing actors or amazingly good looking, alright? And looks aren't everything. Kristen wanted Robert to play Edward because they worked well together.
Marley wrote: "they needed actors and actresses that actually had emotion"
I hate it when people say shit like this. The whole point of Edward not being able to read Bella's mind is just that - she's supposed to be hard to read. Meaning not wear her fucking emotions on her sleeve like every other girl.
I hate it when people say shit like this. The whole point of Edward not being able to read Bella's mind is just that - she's supposed to be hard to read. Meaning not wear her fucking emotions on her sleeve like every other girl.
Well, someone's having a good evening.Yeah, it's one thing to be hard to read, it's another thing to be completely flat, with nothing to say, and having 'love' as your only emotion.
Marley wrote: "Well, someone's having a good evening.
Yeah, it's one thing to be hard to read, it's another thing to be completely flat, with nothing to say, and having 'love' as your only emotion."
Sorry if ignorance is a bit of an annoyance.
She isn't completely flat. And btw, have you seen New Moon? Much more emotion there.
Twilight was a relatively bad movie with a relatively bad director and a relatively boring plot- since it was only the first book, meaning lots of intros to things and when the plot picks up, so does the emotion. Obviously.
Yeah, it's one thing to be hard to read, it's another thing to be completely flat, with nothing to say, and having 'love' as your only emotion."
Sorry if ignorance is a bit of an annoyance.
She isn't completely flat. And btw, have you seen New Moon? Much more emotion there.
Twilight was a relatively bad movie with a relatively bad director and a relatively boring plot- since it was only the first book, meaning lots of intros to things and when the plot picks up, so does the emotion. Obviously.
Yes, I agree New Moon is better. Still, her acting is not as good as it could be. But, you're entitled to your own opinion.
Selena wrote: "i can see why people fell in love with the book,"Really? Because, to me, it seems like they fell in love within about two weeks, despite a century of age difference, not knowing each other at all, not having anything in common......
Woah...I see it so differently from you people. I love Kirsten Stewart as an actress. I think Rob is average, but very handsome. And Taylor is ridiculous. I think the only reason he got the part was because there are precious few young American Indian actors, especially with muscles like that.
Lorna wrote: "Woah...I see it so differently from you people. I love Kirsten Stewart as an actress. I think Rob is average, but very handsome. And Taylor is ridiculous. I think the only reason he got the part wa..."
I love Kristen too (=
Robert Pattinson is average looking. Besides those ridiculous cheekbones. Jealouusss.
You think they casted Taylor for his muscles? Ha! They almost replaced him because he didn't have any. He worked for those to keep his job.
I love Kristen too (=
Robert Pattinson is average looking. Besides those ridiculous cheekbones. Jealouusss.
You think they casted Taylor for his muscles? Ha! They almost replaced him because he didn't have any. He worked for those to keep his job.
Check this out, it's hilarious! It's called Twilight vs Buffy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3G...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwM3G...
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Apparently he had to gain 30 pounds of muscle for the part. That's insane.
Let me state my case. I am against Twilight.It makes the girl character pathetic and too vulnerable and dependent over a guy. We in the 21st century! Women are independent, they have good jobs and provide income for the family.
Ahahahaha. It never says she needs to drop what she's doing and forget her life and live to make him happy. On the contrary, she's a very independent girl. The story is about love and devotion. Two things both Edward and Bella feel for each other. It in no way makes her the helpless, pathetic girl who needs to be saved. She saves him, if you recall.
"WOW. You judge way too harshly. Why don't you go try to act? She is a very good actress. If she was so terrible - they wouldn't have fucking casted her in the first place."Wow, J, you're so right. Without being an actor, how can anyone judge the abilities of an actor? I mean, you wouldn't hear someone who doesn't know how to cook judging whether food is good or not...what crapping right do they have to judge? And we shouldn't say politicians do or don't know what they're doing...I've never been a President, so I guess I'm in no position to say whether Bush or Obama was a better pick.
Judging harshly doesn't mean your ignorant. The two things are unconnected.
J wrote: "On the contrary, she's a very independent girl."No, she's not. How is she the least bit independent? Because she reads Wutherington Heights? lol
Michael wrote: "Wow, J, you're so right. Without being an actor, how can anyone judge the abilities of an actor? I mean, you wouldn't hear someone who doesn't know how to cook judging whether food is good or not...what crapping right do they have to judge? And we shouldn't say politicians do or don't know what they're doing...I've never been a President, so I guess I'm in no position to say whether Bush or Obama was a better pick."
Your cooking analogy was completely unrelated. If you've never cooked, you cannot say that cooking is easy. However, you can judge if cooking tastes good or not because you've obviously TASTED food before. Better luck next time, honey.
And to a certain extent, you're right. You can't say that the president doesn't know what he's doing, because you've never been president. There are certain things that you know concerning the presidency being an educated person, but beyond that you have no place to judge. For example, if Kristen was terrible at memorizing lines and needed cue cards and looked at the camera all the time and mumbled or stuttered- you could say she was a bad actress, because those are obviously things that are bad.
Judging harshly doesn't mean your ignorant. The two things are unconnected.
You're right, judging harshly doesn't mean you're ignorant. However, it's annoying when people judge harshly as well as being ignorant.
Your cooking analogy was completely unrelated. If you've never cooked, you cannot say that cooking is easy. However, you can judge if cooking tastes good or not because you've obviously TASTED food before. Better luck next time, honey.
And to a certain extent, you're right. You can't say that the president doesn't know what he's doing, because you've never been president. There are certain things that you know concerning the presidency being an educated person, but beyond that you have no place to judge. For example, if Kristen was terrible at memorizing lines and needed cue cards and looked at the camera all the time and mumbled or stuttered- you could say she was a bad actress, because those are obviously things that are bad.
Judging harshly doesn't mean your ignorant. The two things are unconnected.
You're right, judging harshly doesn't mean you're ignorant. However, it's annoying when people judge harshly as well as being ignorant.
Jessi wrote: "No, she's not. How is she the least bit independent? Because she reads Wutherington Heights? lol"
Here are a few examples off the top of my head of her being independent:
She willingly left her school and mother to live with the dad she hadn't seen in years.
She goes to a school she's never been to and knows no one.
She likes being left alone a lot of the time while at school.
She seldom goes out with her friends.
Here are a few examples off the top of my head of her being independent:
She willingly left her school and mother to live with the dad she hadn't seen in years.
She goes to a school she's never been to and knows no one.
She likes being left alone a lot of the time while at school.
She seldom goes out with her friends.
I have to agree. Bella is an emo little whiner.
...is all that weird? I was like that, and I still like to be alone. No...I NEED to be alone! People are annoying...
"Your cooking analogy was completely unrelated. If you've never cooked, you cannot say that cooking is easy. However, you can judge if cooking tastes good or not because you've obviously TASTED food before. Better luck next time, honey."But doesn't that mean that, having seen many actors/actresses in tons of movies, one would be able to evaluate how well a particular actor/actress did in a particular movie? So, you can't say how difficult it was for an actress to play a part, but you can say whether or not you were impressed by her performance.
"...is all that weird? I was like that, and I still like to be alone."
I still need a lot of alone time, but it just gets harder and harder to find it. Thanks to all those annoying people.
Evaluating an actors performance is easy, I think. They're pretending to be genuine people - and we all know how that's supposed to look. We are real people :)
Ok I understand that some people think the STORY is good. Because I guess it was a good idea, Meyer wanted to write a love story. If you can decipher her love message from her books then I guess you'd like the story. But, her writing skills are just...so bad! The movies can't have come out good because of her book, not the directer or whatever. And I can't blame any actors for their performances when you think about the sh*tty lines they had to work with.
Twilight was a wonderful book. Don't mess with me, I've read it three times.
I think the books a 3 star! But it's a little weird, if I were Bella, I would find it creepy that Edward hung in my bedroom when I slept, that is kind of stalkerish.
I personally hate Twilight. Okay, vampires that only drink animal blood, kudos to Meyer, that was creative. But, sparkling? Vampires don't sparkle in the sunlight, they burn up. It's just a really cheesy romance story. And when Edward tells Bella that he watches her sleep, it's not, "What?! Stalker!" like it should be, it's, "Cool!"The only reason Meyer called them vampires was because she couldn't spell faeries. VAMPIRES. DON'T. SPARKLE.
Given that Twilight is not the greatest book ever written, it's really annoying when haters complain constantly about how the vampires sparkle. It's her story, her imagination, let her do whatever the fuck she wants with it.
Xox wrote: "Bella is a stupid little gal that waited for a man to rescure her every time. "
Uh, are you stupid? In New Moon, BELLA rescues EDWARD in Italy.
Xox wrote: "And there is no sex in the book because stupid Meyer is afraid of sexual experience."
Wow, you just like to show your ignorance, huh? There's sex in Breaking Dawn.
Uh, are you stupid? In New Moon, BELLA rescues EDWARD in Italy.
Xox wrote: "And there is no sex in the book because stupid Meyer is afraid of sexual experience."
Wow, you just like to show your ignorance, huh? There's sex in Breaking Dawn.
I have absolutely no problem with people disliking the Twilight series, but at least have legitimate reasons for it and stop spewing your completely false bullshit.
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Breaking Dawn (other topics)
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But if Edward never existed, Renesme never would have existed, so she would have ended up with Jacob.