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Fun Debates! > Twilight (good reviews) vs. Twilight (harsh critisism)

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message 751: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments another twilight lover finally :)


message 752: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Lol good for you Kelsey! So do I :).


message 753: by Kelsey (new)

Kelsey Yeah, I am constantly defending the series, here on goodreads and in my everyday life


message 754: by Davis (new)

Davis (davismattek) | 3837 comments Why would you defend it? That shit is terrible.


message 755: by Chandani (new)

Chandani  (milkduds920) | 6408 comments are we talking about twilight or mormonism?


message 756: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments twilight is a fun little book to read in between my Shakespeare Austen and Dickens :)


message 757: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Davis wrote: "Why would you defend it? That shit is terrible. "

In your high IQ opinion maybe. Us lesser humans might enjoy it.


message 758: by Davis (new)

Davis (davismattek) | 3837 comments Ugh. You too?


message 759: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Me too :)


message 760: by Davis (new)

Davis (davismattek) | 3837 comments Epic groan. I expected more from you :P :P


message 761: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments What can I say? I have eclectic taste.


message 762: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments and what did you expect from the rest of us?

anyway it isn't like my life revolves around it. it is just a nice little book that you can read quickly when you don't feel like reading denser novels.


message 763: by Lorna (new)

Lorna | 1273 comments Exactly. I use Harry Potter as a relief from more difficult novels.


message 764: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments lol


message 765: by Davis (new)

Davis (davismattek) | 3837 comments I used to use Micheal Crichton for that, but then I read all of his good books so I can't do that anymore.


message 766: by Davis (new)

Davis (davismattek) | 3837 comments I loved that book haha


message 767: by Victoria (last edited Jul 30, 2009 03:51AM) (new)

Victoria | 322 comments Davis wrote: "Why would you defend it? That shit is terrible. "

Read it, liked it. Read it again, realised the complete lack of originality and absence of talent in the writing, haven't read it since. (Twilight)


message 768: by Sarah (new)

Sarah | 15 comments everything is wrong with the book twilight.


message 769: by Chelsea (new)

Chelsea Archuleta | 3 comments i love it when people have different views on things, i love that there are ppl that have bad views and ppl that have good views, i think that if everyone liked the books just the same we wouldnt have great conversations like we do. ha. ok so i like twilight, but not because its the newest thing to like, and there are indeed things that i dont really like about twilight, hmm, i think that there are parts that are anoying, but its has romantic spots too.


message 770: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments i absolutly hate when people butcher the english language. (which she did).




message 771: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments You spelled that wrong... ;)


message 772: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments i know..... it was suppose to create emphasis




message 773: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments Umm...okay then. You never capitilize either....lolz. <3


message 774: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments that is because i am too lazy, and my pinky doesn't want to :).

When it comes down to being professional (like doing school work or writing) I am very grammatically correct.




message 775: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments You should....haha. :)


message 776: by Liz (new)

Liz (lizgore) | 3163 comments :) - yep.

and i talk correctly too....


message 777: by Betelgeuze (new)

Betelgeuze I've only seen Twilight the movie, and it is one of the worst teen flicks i've ever seen. The story was just awfull, i don't know how closely it follows the plotline in the book, but if it's close to the movie i'm not planning on reading it. I know that movies based on books tend to lack some of the depth of the book, so keeping that in mind here's my review.

The male lead.The Twilight lead vamp is what close to 50 years old? And he still acts like a teenager. He also came across as a Mary Sue.

The vamp family. They had this really weird culty vibe going on, so i thought they're really serial killers underneath a facade of humanitarianism. But no, they're just neutered vamps. The serial killer thing might have redeemed the story a bit. Is there anything more boring than a squeaky clean protagonist?

And the heroine.I like my heroines to be kick ass confident women, not the damsel in distress type. She also seemed to lack a personality, there were no serious flaws and no really good characteristics either.

I also thought that the relationship was silly, the whole i like you but i don't want to bite you thing really got on my nerves. And the relationship was awfully chaste, where's the sexual tension? The lack of sexual tension they could have compensated for by introducing more complexity in the relationship, but the characters are either moaning about how they can't be together, or when they are together they are doing things that might be fun for a five year old.

All in all, i thought that the movie was attempting to be paranormal romance, but lacked all the aspects that make the genre fun. Take paranormal romance, put a chastity belt on it, and you've got Twilight. For a better vampire show based on a book, watch True Blood on HBO.


message 778: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
It's fairly close to the book.

Edward is allegedly over 100 years old.

"And the relationship was awfully chaste, where's the sexual tension?"

haha, there's a bit more in the 3rd book.

"Take paranormal romance, put a chastity belt on it, and you've got Twilight. "

As it was written by a Mormon mother, sexuality probably wasn't high on the list.

But I agree with you. For being a romance it's mostly like a teen crush more than a relationship.


message 779: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Finally! A topic about the worst book I've ever read! I was wondering when this was going to come up!


message 780: by Ruchi (new)

Ruchi (ohlookitsruchi) There's a whole group devoted to hating Twilight, actually :P


message 781: by Rachel (new)

Rachel But I was expecting ths topic to come up in THIS group sooner! XD


message 782: by GABBY cnca (last edited Sep 11, 2009 05:00PM) (new)

GABBY cnca  | 1 comments i love twilight.. it has action, romance, comedy and ECT. i love it, i read all of them in two weeks.


message 783: by Lauren (new)

Lauren (djinni) | 7365 comments Mod
Two weeks? I read each one in a day.

They aren't examples of good literature


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments GaBbY cnca :) wrote: "i love twilight.. it has action, romance, comedy and ECT. i love it, i read all of them in two weeks. "

The books were 99% romance. That's too much romance for me. The only time that I can stand something that's mostly romance is in 19th century books. Not modern teen books. :P

But I did love Edward's family! They are the best part!


message 785: by Rachel (new)

Rachel The book was 99% Air-headed bimbo lust, Rach. 0.01% plot, and 0.99% other stuff which I haven't the name for nor the intent to waste gray matter on.

The author's definition of romance is, "I love you because you smell sooo good, and it's gee darn hard for me not to rip your neck out and kill you!"

OR "I love you because you're drop dead gorgeous and sparkle in the sun!"

Take your pick, both are ridiculously shallow.

(Oops...I made a comment...was supposed to stop myself from going on a rampage. Fair enough, I'll pause here. Tackle other flaws later)

Granted, the only likable character in the entire book would have to be Alice.



Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments "It's gee darn hard for me not to rip your neck out and kill you!"

I wouldn't mind it if he actually had trouble not killing her. After they start making out, it's "Oh, this isn't as hard as I thought."

I have a very loose definition of romance. If two characters are supposedly in love, I call it romance.

I loved Edward's family! They were actually interesting.


message 787: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Ahh...okay, then, that's up to you. I felt cheated by this series though. My cousin was the one that started me on it. And...series...OCD..couldn't stop myself no matter how much I hated it.

I felt that SM couldn't cope with so many of them, they weren't very strong in my opinion, and the only one who really had a voice was Alice.


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments I didn't hate it. I just found it incredibly dull. I have that same problem about not being able to not finish a series, although I still haven't finished Twilight. I only read the first one a few months ago.

They weren't the best characters ever written, but they were much more interesting than Bella and Edward.


message 789: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Ahh yes..the dull bit. I finished all 4 books pretty quick because I sped-read through a large chunk of it. I didn't miss much, though. You've read her descriptions, right?

I don't think she ever got round to editing it or she would've at least used a thesaurus.


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments I don't think that the descriptions are that overdone, to be honest. Everyone keeps calling them wonderfully/annoyingly descriptive, but it didn't seem too overdone. I've read some books with insane amounts of useless description. Twilight wasn't that bad as far as being long-winded goes.


message 791: by [deleted user] (new)

edward is a stupid, stalkerish, mean, annoying, over-jealous, selfish guy. Bella is rude and selfish and mean and rude and thinks the whole world revolves around her. shes a *****.


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments Has anyone read "Blogging Twilight" on Sparknotes?


message 793: by [deleted user] (new)

no...


message 794: by Marley (new)

Marley (Marleyme95) | 5270 comments Haha! Just saw the extended trailer for New Moon...I can not wait to see it, it's gonna be sooo fun to trash!


message 795: by [deleted user] (new)

ya, i was watching twilight and so there were a ton of screaming fangirls below me so me and my friends booed at them and threw popcorn at them!


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments It's hilarious. Twilight from a guy's perspective. He compares Bella and Edward's relationship to dating a cheeseburger. XD

http://community.sparknotes.com/index...

It's absolutely hilarious!

"Edward says that while sleeping, Bella professed her love for him out loud. Having slept in the same room as a night-babbler, I know that when people talk in their sleep, their pronouncements make no sense. So I imagine Bella really said something like, "I don't want [inaudible M-sound:] soup. Love Edward Cullen and ten [SNORT:] dollars! Grocery?" But that wouldn't have been as romantic.

She's a bit embarrassed, but does whisper "I love you" to Edward to prove that it wasn't just a subconscious statement. He responds, "You are my life now." You might consider that a strange response, but I use the same phrasing when signing a note. For example:

We're out of tomatoes. I'm going to the store. Dishes in the washer are clean.

You are my life now,
Dan"

"Edward also suggests it would be a good idea for him to meet Bella's dad formally. He asks if she will introduce him as her boyfriend, and she reflects that he's not exactly a boy. Maybe she should introduce him like this:

BELLA: Hey Charlie. This is Edward. He's my man-buddy. He watches me sleep every night. But don't worry. We can't "get busy" because Edward would kill me. So all we can do is smooch and touch our faces, which is so awesome. He eats bears. Anyway, we're off to an enchanted garden filled with rainbows and bubbles. Later."




message 797: by [deleted user] (new)

lolz!!!!!! rotfl!!!!!!!


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments He's started on New Moon also. This is one of my "Bad Mood" bookmarks that I read when I need a good laugh. :D


message 799: by [deleted user] (new)

haha


Rachel (aka. Kaiserin Sisi) (looney-lovegood) | 222 comments I love parodies, especially of Twilight (which is so easy to make parodies of) and Harry Potter (which I absolutely love!).


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