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Travis
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May 26, 2024 12:39PM
They are missing an opportunity, by not doing a photoshoot with Ncuti and Fraiser Hines, both in their kilts.
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Getting tired of everyone say this season is all about magic.It's not. It's aliens and other dimensional beings that resemble/influenced earth myth and fairy tales.
Doctor Who has been doing this forever.
The appearance is certainly similar, but there’s a fundamental underlying principle in how things are being presented and dealt with that is HUGE change.
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That'd be fabulous!
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It's not. It's aliens and other dimensional beings that resemble/influenced earth myth and fairy tales.
Doctor Who has been doing this..."
So far, I haven't seen anything indicating magic. Maybe Clark's law at work, but not magic.
Yeah, I haven’t seen anything different from the daemons, horns of the Nimon or the time monster
Well, I did say it’s subtle. Hmm 🤔
Do you think of Star Wars as science-fiction or fantasy?
Rick wrote: "Well, I did say it’s subtle. Hmm 🤔
Do you think of Star Wars as science-fiction or fantasy?"
I'm a simple man, if it has robots and space ships, it's sci-fi.
If it has wizards and dragons, it's fantasy.
Don’t look at the set dressing. Look at the stuff inside the narrative. Star Wars is nothing but fantasy. Pure and simple. The question isn’t whether magic is appearing in the Disney+ series or not, it’s whether the series has become fantasy or if it’s still trying to straddle a fine line. There are episodes that have always straddled the distinction between sci-fi and fantasy, but the two older series both refused to take the leap into fantasy and instead made sure that at least one foot was firmly planted in sci-fi. Star Trek does this a lot as well, always ensuring that it never completely steps out of sci-fi, keeping that one foot firmly planted. The Disney+ series has stepped out of that sci-fi zone. These are small and perhaps insignificant details, but it is happening. It laid was footwork in Wild Blue Yonder and built on that in The Giggle and then in The Church on Ruby Road. The biggest giveaway is how Gatwa’s Doctor reacts to fantasy conventions that are appearing. He’s saying that it’s different, that he’s never seen anything like it before, that it’s a new kind of physics, that it takes relearning how things work, now that reality has changed. Now it could just be Gatwa’s take on the childlike wonder of seeing things for the first time through these new eyes. And, to be honest, if that all this ends up being … RTD, well done! But I think there’s a longer game plan at work here. Fantasy doesn’t require explanations, sci-fi needs at least pseudoscience for it too function.
Sci-fi is the probable and the possible.
Fantasy is the improbable and the impossible.
You can call it magical realism if you want, but it’s still bringing fantasy into what had previously been a sci-fi show.
Travis wrote: "I'm a simple man, if it has robots and space ships, it's sci-fi. If it has wizards and dragons, it's fantasy."Think about it this way: how do the Star Wars films open?
“A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away …”
This is really just a different way of saying: “Once upon a time …”
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Rick wrote: "Don’t look at the set dressing. Look at the stuff inside the narrative. Star Wars is nothing but fantasy. Pure and simple. The question isn’t whether magic is appearing in the Disney+ series or n..."
My first thought, to quote the great Nick Fury: "Well, that is some bullshit, right there."
Again, it's still all aliens (and other dimensional beings) that resemble magical and mythological creatures.
The same thing the show has done since the 60's.
Everybody saying 'Oooh, it's magic!' repeatedly doesn't make it so,
Travis wrote: "… Everybody saying 'Oooh, it's magic!' repeatedly doesn't make it so, …"The exact same thing can be said about denial as well.
I like the theme of this season: that the Doctor poked at the edge of the universe and got the attention of the things that dwell out there, I just don't buy into this idea that RTD is doing some radical reimagining of the show.
It's all wibbly-wobbly fun and games until Yog-Sothoth shows up!
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Elaine wrote: "It's all wibbly-wobbly fun and games until Yog-Sothoth shows up!"🙀 Not Yog-Sothoth! 🙀 Anything except Yog-Sothoth! 🙀
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Travis wrote: "I like the theme of this season: that the Doctor poked at the edge of the universe and got the attention of the things that dwell out there, I just don't buy into this idea that RTD is doing some r..."Where's an All-Consuming Fire or White Darkness when you need it?
So, Tennant seasoned the edge of the universe and opened a crack in reality that leads to Earth 1923.The Abominable Snowmen happens in 1931 and the Intelligence said, he'd been working to get a hold in our universe for quite some time...maybe say 20 years...?
And how long was the Wire floating around in TV signals?
Just saying, there's a bunch of things floating around in Who-history that we can trace to the 1920s with very little effort.
Travis wrote: "… Just saying, there's a bunch of things floating around in Who-history that we can trace to the 1920s with very little effort."I’ve been thinking about this as well. I’d forgotten about the Abominable Snowmen as well, but I should have because I was finding myself repeatedly being pulled back to the Great Intelligence. And THAT always pulls me to Ramon Salamander (see Doctor Who: The Enemy of the World). Just a few more episode and we’ll either have some answers or even more mysteries.
Matthew wrote: "Where's an All-Consuming Fire or White Darkness when you need it?"I have the audio adaptation from Big Finish of Doctor Who: All-Consuming Fire, but I haven’t listened to it yet. I’m not familiar with the other one at all.
Rick wrote: "Matthew wrote: "Where's an All-Consuming Fire or White Darkness when you need it?"I have the audio adaptation from Big Finish of Doctor Who: All-Consuming Fire, but I haven’t list..."
Read both.
White Darkness is a decent read.
All consuming fire is okay. Tries little too hard to be clever.
Star Wars: Acolyte is a prime example of a show I wanted to like more than I do.That first episode is a mess.
I feel like the trailer I saw was not for the show I watched.
I’ve only watched the Obi-wan Kenobi series, disappointing, and the Andor series, which was excellent. The other series don’t interest me in the slightest. Star Wars the Force Awakens was so awful, and Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker was even worse. JJ Abrams is the one true “Phantom Menace” of filmmakers. He ruined the franchise.
I've enjoyed most of the Star Wars TV stuff.Couldn't get into Andor and Ahsoka was okay, but relied too much on the cartoon stuff.
Really liked the Acolyte trailer. Shame it's not representative of the show I tried to watch.
Gonna try the second episode, but it needs to really get its act together.
We'll have to agree to disagree about the movies.
I'd like to see Ncuti's Doctor have a story which is a take on a cozy english mystery.Don't need any clever deconstruction of the genre, but rather his very energetic Doctor, running around, charming the old, gossipy types, dealing with gruff village policemen and local characters.
It would, of course be aliens.
My Celestial Toymaker DVD showed up!Gonna watch it this weekend.
Travis wrote: "… It would, of course be aliens."No, make it an old fashioned historical. I beg you! No aliens! 🥺
Travis wrote: "My Celestial Toymaker DVD showed up!Gonna watch it this weekend."
Nice!
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "… It would, of course be aliens."No, make it an old fashioned historical. I beg you! No aliens! 🥺"
Unfortunately, pure historicals on Doctor Who have gone the way of the Dodo and Blockbuster video stores.
There will always be aliens.
But the Dodo and Blockbuster Video stores are now prime material for a historical adventure! Geronimo!
Allons-y!
Let’s do this thing!
Rick wrote: "But the Dodo and Blockbuster Video stores are now prime material for a historical adventure! Geronimo!
Allons-y!
Let’s do this thing!"
If you do a historical set in a Blockbuster, the villain would obviously be the Wire.
Or the Great Intelligence or Donny the whiny baby.
Now that the Shalka Doctor is in continuity, how soon before Nick Briggs calls RTD to say 'If you're not planning on doing anything with that, I have a few ideas...'?
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re already working on it. They might have even suggested to RTD “Hey, it would be cool if Doctor Who: Scream of the Shalka were canon. Do you think you could …”
As far as I can tell, Richard E Grant hasn’t done anything with Big Finish yet. Yet …
This is totally random … but it looks like I might have some stuff published in the second volume of Squelch! The First Annual Journal of the Bowling Green Writers' Workshop: Things We Love, Things We Hate. The theme for volume two is utopia and dystopia.
Rick wrote: "This is totally random … but it looks like I might have some stuff published in the second volume of [book:Squelch! The First Annual Journal of the Bowling Green Writers' Workshop: Things We Love, ..."Congrats!
Pleasantly surprised by how much I've been enjoying watching Bridgerton with my wife.Fun show, and I get to play 'spot the actor who has been on Doctor Who', 'Which actor I'd like to see on Doctor Who' and 'Wow! that's a great coat!'
I got sucked into Downton Abby against my better judgement (damn you Maggie Smith! Why do you have to be so freaking talented?!) so I’m trying to actively never watch Bridgerton.
Rick wrote: "I got sucked into Downton Abby against my better judgement (damn you Maggie Smith! Why do you have to be so freaking talented?!) so I’m trying to actively never watch Bridgerton."I resisted, but Julie Andrews is the narrator.
I didn't stand a chance.
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Oooh Coolness, Rick!
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Fun show, and I get to play 'spot the actor who has been on Doctor Who', 'Which actor I'd like to see on Docto..."
I watched the better part of season 1, but there's just too much on screen, erm, shenanigans to be enjoyable. Definitely not to be taken too seriously though.
The shenanigans (and nice coats) are what’s keeping me coming back😏
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Agree. The mens coats are fabulous.
Happy Solstice (A day late)! And I’ve just to say: Ncuti Gatwa is well on his way to replacing David Tennant as my go to (favorite) Doctor. I do love each and every one, particular when I’m watching their shows, but damn Gatwa is just nailing it. And so is RTD.
Wanted more Who after the finale, so watched the Celestial Toymaker.Fun story. The animation has a nice mix of trying to replicate the existing footage look, while giving the Toymaker's dimension the surreal look it needs.
Feels like a Rankin-Bass special on acid.
You can see the through line from Micheal Goph to NPH.
They look different but act and feel the same.
William Hartnell is only in about half the episodes, and it's a shame, as he and Micheal Goph play off each other really well.
This was fun and I hope does well enough that I finally get the Smugglers!
Rick wrote: "Happy Solstice (A day late)! And I’ve just to say: Ncuti Gatwa is well on his way to replacing David Tennant as my go to (favorite) Doctor. I do love each and every one, particular when I’m watch..."
Forgot all about the Solstice.
Which is probably for the best, I always forget what I'm supposed to sacrifice...think it's a goat, but I'd hate to make a mistake.
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