The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Rachel wrote: "i absolutely love nico. he is my favorite character and has been since he was introduced in the titan's curse. Him being gay changed absolutely NOTHING. hes still a really awesome guy, no matter wh..."very true! I totally agree!
Amelia wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."there were clues in earlier books... and it was an excellent twist
Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."what are u? 5 years old?
Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they ar..."hmm are you just trying to hide your prejudice by saying its not appropriate for kids? bc I think u are. just stop being a hater
Brenna wrote: "I'm so disappointed! The biggest problem that I have with this move in his books is that his target audience is children. Parent's buy these books for their children because they know that they ar..."honestly heterosexuality is mentioned all the time. how is homosexuality any different?
☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾ wrote: "In this book, Nico became my new favourite character. I think it's mostly because I feel bad for him. Cupid was very cruel to Nico. It made me see a part of Nico that I hadn't really paid attention..."eh maybe brotherly was all u wanted to see... im not saying ur prejudiced, just that that's what u expected...
Kaleb wrote: "Nico, gay? i could not belive it!!!!! is Rcik trying to prove a point to us?!?!?! well he is goin gto lose some money because i may or may not read the last book. "i had a crush on percy" Thats jus..."say what u want to say but rick doesn't care about losing money he has enough money he wanted to get a point across, help gay kids, and raise awareness
Cyndi wrote: "Ariel wrote: "Yeah... I can see your problem. He's probably introducing this concept to a lot of little kids right now."I don't see why it really matters if kids know about what being gay is. I m..."
Yes, I realize this now. It's just like Percy and Annabeth kissing. Actually even less than that, because all he does is say the words that he has a crush. Rick always makes sure that his books have no explicit content, no swear words, nothing past saying "They kissed." This is no different than all the heterosexual couples he has in the books. I think that educating kids is a good idea. There's no reason that kids shouldn't know that a girl can like like another girl, or that a guy can fall in love with another guy. It's something that happens whether they know about it or not, and at least this way kids will know what's going on. I really admire Rick for doing this. Everybody feels insecure about something, and he shows us that we are all different, but that it's NOT a bad thing. I seriously love him for delivering all of these good messages in awesome, kick-butt, hilarious, action packed books that grab your attention and suck you in!
So reading through the comments i feel like whenever people are opposed to homosexuality many people start putting them down, calling them intolerant, bigots, etc. (which btw is ironic because by calling a person who doesnt agree with your beliefs intolerant, you are being intolerant yourself lol.) why is it okay to agree with homosexuality, but one word against it and people are in arms? What's wrong with being opposed to homosexuality? Everyone has their own beliefs, and we should all respect each others beliefs, even if we dont necessarily agree with those beliefs. Lets be nice guys and remember our enemy is not each other but the guy who decided to throw percy and annabeth into tarturas and made us wait another year for the next book xDMy thoughts on nico:
I seriously did not expect that plot twist. i always thought he had a crush on annabeth since the first percy jackson books because several times whenever annabeth asked nico to do something he would blush and say yes, but when percy asked him he would grumble about it.
it was out of character for him, and i dont think it explains his behavior at all tbh. In the prev bks his out castness came from him being the son of hades and how his sister had died and sorta abandoned him (by becoming a hunteress) and he had no one. People saw him as a freak because he was associated with death.
I saw this coming.... there's a reason why I subconsciously shipped leo and nico before. Nico being gay is not the problem. It is who is he going to end up with.
I love Nico di Angelo. Gay or not, I seriously don't care. He's still my favorite character so far, and I hope to see more of him in the following book. Nico is just such an awesome character that I don't really care about his sexuality (although when I first found out, I almost screamed and threw the book against a wall). Then I came around my senses and thought: well, he's still my Nico. Gay or not, he's still my fav. Just because R.R. "suddenly decided" to turn him homosexual (as what most people say) it doesn't mean he's a different person altogether. He's still the same kid that we loved since Titan's curse. <3
And him being gay just made his character more interesting due to the fact that we would wonder what he would do next: If he would tell everyone, or he would try to get over his feelings for percy. Or maybe, he would admit what he really is and some demigods who might secretly be homosexuals will come out and it would be a big open forum about each other's sexuality. haha (okay, that was just a thought).
So to those people who say they won't read the following book because of his sexuality and R.R. is supporting gay rights blah blah, well, just two words: screw you.
I'm out. (Can't wait for the last book) :)
Kate wrote: "I love Rick for showing us that. It was bold, really. But there will be haters which is the horrible part..."That's exactly what I said. It's great but there will be many ignorant comments in the backlash.
@kyendwarriorWhy should I show someone respect who is disrespecting others? Respect is something that is earned, and nobody has my respect if they can't accept that people are different than them. Yes, of course it's fine for people to have their opinions. But calling people bigots when they are being bigoted is the truth, nothing else, plain and simple. Just like being intolerant of people with a different skin colour is racist, being intolerant of people who are gay is homophobic, and that's the definition of bigotry.
Am I intolerant of bigots? Yes, I am. And I'll freely admit that. Bigotry and hatred are things I think we could really do without. The difference is that I'm intolerant of people's attitudes, opinions they choose to have. They are intolerant of people simply for existing, for being born different than they are, something they have no choice over. That's why it's not hypocritical.
Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."If you don't have something nice to say then don't say it at all. I'm taking that advice because there are a lot of tings I want to call you right now but I'm not. so please be nice to everyone no matter their sexual preference. please?
H99 wrote: "kyendwarrior wrote: "So reading through the comments i feel like whenever people are opposed to homosexuality many people start putting them down, calling them intolerant, bigots, etc. (which btw i..."I guess I meant to say courtesy, then, but I've always used respect and courtesy interchangeably. (It's kind of hard to say, "I courtesy you for your opinion, but..." :) ) Either way, we should all be polite to one another without calling each other names or bashing each other. And of course, it's not right to make insulting comments to the author just because they don't agree with the author. But I wasn't really talking about that; I was just focusing on the amount of hate and name calling people were getting for stating their opinions, regardless of what it was. We can be respectful (as in courtesy), and still disagree with people. And, you're right also, that it's not tolerance to disrespect other people because of what they believe. But the word tolerance has a lot to do with perspective,tbh. Is it tolerance because everyone accepts it, and you're being intolerant because you don't accept it? Because you don't follow what other people believe, that you don't go with the flow? Or does it have to do with your own personal morals? Idk.
But I strongly believe there is a line between disrespect and disagreement.
I think it's alright to express your opinion on homosexuality. If you think it's alright then good for you. If you don't, then it's alright. But please, if you don't agree with homosexuality then don't be hateful and use strong words. You're not showing respect like that and that's why the people who do agree with homosexuality bash you with rude and hateful words. Also the people who do support gay rights and such have no right to show disrespect to the people who don't support gay rights unless they were rude and impolite about their opinion. It's alright to express our opinions as long as we are respectful and polite about it. That's what I think.
It's fine to say to be tolerant of everybody. But that's not realistic. When people do things that hurt other people, should that be tolerated? People kill themselves because of bullies, because of racism, because of homophobia. It's all right to express an opinion, but where is the line drawn? Personally, if someone chooses to hurt others, they loose all respect from me, and all tolerance. There is a huge difference between being intolerant of people because of the colour of their skin or because of who they fall in love with, and being intolerant of people who deliberately do and say things to hurt others. One is intolerance of something people have zero control over, and the other is intolerance of people who have 100% control over their actions.
Sheechiibii wrote: "@kyendwarriorWhy should I show someone respect who is disrespecting others? Respect is something that is earned, and nobody has my respect if they can't accept that people are different than them...."
Again, I guess I meant to say courtesy, but as I said before, I’ve always used respect and courtesy interchangeably. :)
And, again, it's a matter of perspective, and I respect your opinions, but I will have to say I disagree. You can show respect (as in the way of courtesy) to people who aren’t necessarily showing courtesy/respect to others. Why? You said we could do without hatred and bigotry. It starts with you. I believe hatred and disrespect aren’t so far from each other.
In response to your second paragraph, not everyone is like that.
I accept that people are different than me, but acceptance doesn't mean agreement. The definition of a bigot is a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. Basically, it means we are all bigots (myself included), no matter how much we deny it. We are all human, and we all are strongly and sometimes unfairly against other people, ideas, etc. But the definition of fair is also a matter of perspective. What you believe is fair, can be totally different from another person's ideas. Is it fair that gays are getting hate? No, I strongly believe that that is WRONG. Not because gays are born to be gay (I believe it's a choice, and that no one is born gay), but because they are people. Every human being has a right to be treated as a person, and to be respected and loved. However, I don't agree with their lifestyle, does that make me intolerant? I don’t think it does. Just because I don’t agree with an aspect of their life, doesn’t mean I’m being intolerant of them. I love them as a person; I’m not discriminating against them; I’m not giving them hate. I just disagree with how they live, and just as there is a line between disrespect and disagreement, I believe there is also a line between disagreement and intolerance. So when does disagreement turn into intolerance? I believe hatred is involved in intolerance, while in disagreement, there is a level of courtesy to the other person.
Respect should be earned, that's true, but you can respect (in courtesy and in a way of admiration) someone and disagree with them also.
H99 wrote: "kyendwarrior wrote: "H99 wrote: "kyendwarrior wrote: "So reading through the comments i feel like whenever people are opposed to homosexuality many people start putting them down, calling them into..."Yes I agree with you:)
People have a right to their opinions, but respect/courtesy is always called for. :)
I do think tolerance has to do with being polite, acceptance but not necessarily agreement; other wise, if the definition of tolerance was agreeing with everyone, I doubt anyone could claim to be that.
I can honestly say that I'm never against someone unless there's a fair reason for it. Them being a different skin colour, gender or sexuality to me is not a fair reason, since people are born that way. You say you believe that people are not born gay, that it's a choice. I guess that means that you could go out tomorrow and decide to be gay, that you could decide to be attracted to the same gender no problem? Because if you can't, then how can you think that who you are attracted to is a choice?
As I said above, I am tolerant and accepting of people unless they are specifically saying or doing things that will hurt others, and homophobia, like racism and any other form of bigotry, hurts a lot of people.
Sheechiibii wrote: "It's fine to say to be tolerant of everybody. But that's not realistic. When people do things that hurt other people, should that be tolerated? People kill themselves because of bullies, because o..."It's not realistic, but I can always try. :)
Again, this idea of respect and courtesy; I believe we can disagree with one another, but still be courteous. (like right now. We are disagreeing with each other opinions without bashing each other :) ) When people who do things that hurt other people, should that be tolerated? Their actions shouldn't be (NEVER SHOULD BE), but we need to think of them as people too. No matter how much you hate that bully, he/she is a person too. I'm not at ALL defending bullies; what they are doing is ABSOLUTELY wrong. But we need to forgive and give them a chance to change, instead of casting them off and keeping them excluded with our actions and words. People rarely think about things through the eyes of the bullies. They are bullies because of a reason: family problems, mental issues, social problems, etc. Again, I'm NO WAY EVER defending these people's actions, but they are humans too. We shouldn't treat anyone like dirt just because we think they deserve it. They might deserve it, in our eyes, but there is a point where we should love instead of constantly hating and fighting fire with fire.
That's very true. However, I don't think anyone in this thread has treated anyone else like dirt. Telling someone they're a bigot or they're ignorant are not insults, any more than telling someone they're American is an insult. Pointing out their behaviour and telling them it's hurtful to people is being pretty tolerant.
Sheechiibii wrote: "That's very true. However, I don't think anyone in this thread has treated anyone else like dirt. Telling someone they're a bigot or they're ignorant are not insults, any more than telling someone ..."Sheechiibii wrote: "I can honestly say that I'm never against someone unless there's a fair reason for it. Them being a different skin colour, gender or sexuality to me is not a fair reason, since people are born that..."
The dirt comment wasn't aimed at the people of the thread, just in general.
I do believe those are bordering on insulting because again perspective ( I think that's the word of the day lol). That person who disagrees with you isn't necessarily ignorant, you know?
But I do agree that pointing out their behavior and telling them it's being hurtful to people is different than name calling and bashing.
But anyways
I believe it's a choice because people stop fighting against the influence.
To put this simple (I’m not going to go into free will, etc) , God does not purposely make people gay, when in the Bible it clearly says homosexuality is a sin. God loves everyone (even gays! He doesn’t like/agree with what they are doing, but He loves homosexual people. How is this possible? Love is loving someone even if you don’t agree with their lifestyles. Remember opposites attract? ), and the God I know is not hypocritical.
Everyday I hear comments to feminine guys that they are gay, just because they prefer pink to blue, they like fashion, they talk with a weird voice, etc. Can't a guy be feminine and not be gay? Or a girl be masculine and not be lesbian? Everyday they are surrounded by people who push and encourage them to be gay, when in reality, that's not what they want. Eventually, they stop fighting against this influence and they just give in. I have a friend who is very feminine. He is not gay, but because of the influence around him, he decided to come out as gay. I know for a fact that he is not gay; he's told me this several times, and he's tried to change this image of him, that he's not gay, without changing his personality. Each time he did so, people put him down, saying he was gay, and eventually he accepted it and stopped trying to fight against who he "really" was.
There is a difference between emotional love and true love. Emotional love cannot be trusted because emotions are so fluid. They go up and down, and eventually some of it goes away. I think that's one of the reasons why people are having so much trouble having stable relationships right now, and why lots of people are coming out as gay.
I don't really feel like talking more on this subject matter because I meant to just comment on that plot twist of Nico and ask people to be courteous. It’s becoming an intense discussion that I think will never end, and the true purpose of this thread was on Nico, lol.
Thanks @Sheechiibii and @H99 for the interesting discussion though! :)
I appreciate your guys' opinions!:)
Looool a friend of mine kept telling me that Nico is gay and I kept telling her to shut up because it wasn't true. She shipped Nico and Percy at the beginning of the titans curse. When the lost hero came out she switched to Nico and Leo, lol. I told her she was just out of
her mind cuz she loves yaoi and stuff but when we were reading the house of hades together and that part came up she kept screaming in my face and telling me "I told you so." I was really surprised. After that she switched back to Nico and Percy. She's crazy xDD
her mind cuz she loves yaoi and stuff but when we were reading the house of hades together and that part came up she kept screaming in my face and telling me "I told you so." I was really surprised. After that she switched back to Nico and Percy. She's crazy xDD
Ignorance means not understanding something, which clearly a lot of people don't when it comes to homosexuality.You haven't answered my question. If you think sexuality is a choice, then you believe your own sexuality is a choice. So you'd be happy to decide tomorrow to be gay, and you'd be able to find the same gender attractive?
Have you ever considered that some of these people actually are gay, and they pretend to be straight because of how awful they'd be treated if they came out? Because of the unacceptable of gays, because of people saying that they're choosing to be wrong and unnatural.
My best friend even tried having a girlfriend, and then eventually he came crying to me one night and told me he was gay. This was after years of saying he was straight. I was the first person he told, and he felt awful about it. He tried so hard to pretend to be straight, because that's what everyone said was right. Because people said to be gay was to choose something unnatural or wrong. He didn't want to be gay, but being with a woman to him is as gross as being with a woman would be to me.
I could never look at a woman and find her attractive in that way, I couldn't stomach being intimate with another girl. It's the same with gays. You can't force yourself to be attracted to something you're not. You can only pretend, and to try and shame people into living a life of lies and pretence is one of the reasons why so many people kill themselves over it.
It's so ironic that a year ago I read this fanfiction about Nico and Percy and I was like "Are they even gay or bi?" I guess one was..... whoever wrote that is probably like I knew it all along
@H99. You know how all these fan girls are like. They don't care about the whole "Percy leaving annabeth for Nico." They just ship it and imagine all the intimate parts. My friend, who I was talking about before, wrote a few fan fictions. In her fan fictions there was not a single moment where Percy was thinking about leaving annabeth or anything like that. She just descriptively wrote all the dirty, intimate parts. Like I said earlier, she is CRAZY! I read a few Percico fan fictions in the past and I kept thinking "these girls are insane. Nico and Percy aren't even gay." Now I feel stupid because Nico is gay. Well, I was half-right. Percy isn't gay. And guuuuuyyyyyssss maybe Nico could be bi! I still think he's pan, I don't care what other people tell me.
Lol I agree with you. I'm like, where is the emotion in your fanfics? And she just shrugs and says, no one wants emotion and neither
do I. I'm like: -_-
do I. I'm like: -_-
I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could go down because of what he wrote. In my personal opinion, I don't believe people can be "gay". I think they can be confused or they have emotions towards someone but that doesnt mean they are necessarily IN LOVE WITH THEM. I feel quite close and emotional towards my paster, or my best friend who is the same sex as me but I don't have romantic feelings towards them! I think people are just confused about their emotions. you were born the way you were. obviously you were meant to be with the opposite sex. it PHYSICALLY does not work to have sex with someone from the same gender. that has to count for something! and I don't believe there are "mistakes" in what gender you were born. I love these books and I think the author is quite talented in my opinion. I hope he understands exactly the response he will be getting for changing Nico
Ali wrote: "I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could go down because of what he wrote. In my per..."I don't think it upset that many people. It's got a 4.65 rating on goodreads, the highest rated of the entire series PJO included. Clearly not that many people have been put off by Nico being gay.
As for having sex with someone of the same gender, I assure you - it works. Just because you'd never be attracted to the same gender, doesn't mean others aren't. What you feel for the opposite gender, that's the same as what gays feel for the same gender. There is no difference, it's not confused feelings, it's just a different sexuality to yours.
Oh guys, please, not another discussion! Please, can we just talk happily and not go into the whole "I believe this and that" and "your wrong" and all that annoying stuff -_-
Ali wrote: "I think they can be confused or they have emotions towards someone but that doesnt mean they are necessarily IN LOVE WITH THEM.[...]
I hope he understands exactly the response he will be getting for changing Nico "
I think that's narrow minded. You're treating it very much like "They just don't understand. I'm sure if they understood why being gay is wrong, they'd go back to being heterosexual." You can't help who you feel what you feel for.
Here's the thing though. Does Nico being gay change who Nico has been up until this point? Did you like him up until that point? If yes, then you should continue to like him, because clearly he's been gay (or at least bisexual) since he was introduced. In essence, he's been gay/bi the ENTIRE time you've liked his character. NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT NICO.
I'll say it again. NOTHING HAS CHANGED ABOUT NICO. HE'S STILL THE EXACT SAME PERSON HE WAS BEFORE.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could go down because of what he wrot..."Well it has only been out for like not even a month so im sure more is to come
Catherine wrote: "Ali wrote: "I think they can be confused or they have emotions towards someone but that doesnt mean they are necessarily IN LOVE WITH THEM.[...]
I hope he understands exactly the response he will ..."
nothing has changed about the character, but what has changed is how much the reader knows about to character. you decide your feelings towards the character based on their actions. everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could go down because of what he wrot..."ok, it works to have sex I guess, but it can cause tons of health problems and infections and stuff...
Catherine wrote: "Ali wrote: "I think they can be confused or they have emotions towards someone but that doesnt mean they are necessarily IN LOVE WITH THEM.[...]
I hope he understands exactly the response he will ..."
and I think you can definitely change your feelings! its not something you "cant help"
for instance, a way you can become "gay" or in my opinion, confused, is to dwell on the fact that you have emotions for a particular person. but if you reverse that, if, when you have gay feelings and attractions, you train yourself to think on other things. the Bible says to think on such things that are pure, lovely, holy, and honoring to God. if you change the way you think, and start acting in a way that is right, your feelings will follow.
Ali wrote: "Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could go down bec..."Allegiant by Veronica Roth has been out for 6 days and it's rating has dropped significantly already. Rick Riordan is doing great :)
Heterosexual sex can cause just as many health problems and infections and stuff too.
Please leave religion out of this. Religion has absolutely nothing at all to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is something people are born with. Religion is something you choose to believe in. You choose what to believe, please don't force your beliefs on others by saying someone is wrong/unnatural based on your chosen religion.
You do realise that you're talking about 'curing' homosexuality. Don't you understand what saying things like you have does to people who are gay. Those types of 'opinions' are the reason people kill themselves. Maybe you should consider that.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "I don't necessarily like the fact that the author turned Nico gay. obviously it has upset a lot of people and he had a huge fanbase. I feel like it could..."Not once did I say anything malicous, or slanderous about homosexuals.
Ali wrote: "Not once did I say anything malicous, or slanderous about homosexuals. "I didn't say you did. That doesn't mean what you said isn't still completely hurtful and mean to people who are gay. And things like that (saying they should force themselves to be straight) are part of the reasons why people kill themselves. How would you feel if someone (a lot of people) said you were wrong and unnatural for being who you are, and that you should ignore your feelings and force yourself to be romantic and sexual with someone who's gender you're not attracted to?
H99 wrote: "Ali wrote: "Catherine wrote: "Ali wrote: "I think they can be confused or they have emotions towards someone but that doesnt mean they are necessarily IN LOVE WITH THEM.[...]
I hope he understands..."
You just proved my point. "You see what's wrong there? If you repeat something long enough and with enough conviction, you might believe it, but it won't be true. " maybe, just maybe, that what homosexuals are. people who have convinced themselves that they are homosexual.
Is it not exactly what I am saying? just the other way around? what makes your point more valid then mine? just your FAITH that what you say is true.
Why would anybody convince themselves they're something they'll be hated and shunned for? And homosexuality has existed all throughout history. Long before they were accepted, long before they weren't accepted. It's not other people's influence that makes them gay, it's people's influence that makes them try to be straight, and hate themselves for it. Nobody tells people to be gay, in fact most children who are gay grow up not having a clue what's 'wrong' with them. They think they're unnatural and wrong, and then when they find out they're gay, almost everyone bullies them and tells them they're unnatural and wrong. Just like what you're doing actually. So they have a choice - suffer the torment and be themselves, try to pretend their straight and be miserable, or kill themselves. The really sad thing is that suicide is increasing.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "Not once did I say anything malicous, or slanderous about homosexuals. "I didn't say you did. That doesn't mean what you said isn't still completely hurtful and mean to people who are..."
Because it is WRONG. I am sorry, someone told me NOT to bring religion into this but I can't NOT bring it in. I strongly believe what the Bible says, and the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong.
But the Bible is not there to make us have no fun. or ruin our lives. its there to help us live a life with complete fulfillment and joy through Jesus Christ. it is there for YOUR GOOD. God loves us SO much. hes not some malicious God trying his hardest to make life possible. so, if the Bible says something is wrong. then its for your good to follow that. for example: I love art. but if the Bible said that it was wrong then I would not do it because I would know that it was for my own good.
Sheechiibii wrote: "Why would anybody convince themselves they're something they'll be hated and shunned for? And homosexuality has existed all throughout history. Long before they were accepted, long before they were..."I don't necessarily agree with that and I think I could say a lot in response to that, but I feel as though it would be interpreted in a way that I would not want.
I just want to say one thing. I do not hate homosexuals. I think they are people just like I am. I struggle with different things that we could have tons of discussions on. All sin is the same in the end.
I love the people. and Jesus Christ died for them as much as he died for me.
You can believe whatever you want. That doesn't make anyone else wrong. Religion is a belief, not a fact. Homosexuality is a fact. Whatever you choose to believe about it based on a book written about other people's beliefs is absolutely 100% unproven, so has no baring on the discussion. I have nothing against religion, and I have my own beliefs. But I would never, ever tell someone they're unnatural or wrong based on my completely unproven beliefs. The bible is only there for your good if you believe it, otherwise it has no baring on anybodies life whatsoever and trying to force it on other people - that is WRONG.
Ali wrote: "and I think you can definitely change your feelings! its not something you "cant help" [...] if you change the way you think, and start acting in a way that is right, your feelings will follow. So we have a choice then? Do me a favor. Be gay. Like, RIGHT NOW. Prove to me that you can choose to have soulmate-level feelings for someone ON COMMAND.
You think I'm joking, but I'm not. I want you to prove to me, right now, that being gay is completely a choice by CHOOSING to be gay RIGHT NOW.
Before you start deciding who is natural and unnatural, I want you to consider this statement:
I mean really, you talk about feelings like they're just pliable clay. On that assumption, have you considered how your comments labeling people as "unnatural" are affecting their feelings?
So to bring this back around on topic, I'm sticking by what I said. You can't hate Nico now just because he's gay. He's been gay the entire time. You just didn't know about it until now.
Sheechiibii wrote: "You can believe whatever you want. That doesn't make anyone else wrong. Religion is a belief, not a fact. Homosexuality is a fact. Whatever you choose to believe about it based on a book written about other people's beliefs is absolutely 100% unproven, so has no baring on the discussion.I have nothing against religion, and I have my own beliefs. But I would never, ever tell someone they're unnatural or wrong based on my completely unproven beliefs. The bible is only there for your good if you believe it, otherwise it has no baring on anybodies life whatsoever and trying to force it on other people - that is WRONG. "
Just want to say that this post is so eloquent and perfect. I really enjoyed reading it, and I agree 100%. The whole point is YOU and YOUR relationship with God. You're not meant to go out there and force your beliefs on others.
When I found out I was so mad and sad! Why???? Nico used to be my favorite character....
Ali wrote: "Sheechiibii wrote: "Ali wrote: "Not once did I say anything malicous, or slanderous about homosexuals. "I didn't say you did. That doesn't mean what you said isn't still completely hurtful and me..."
Amen!
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "When I found out I was so mad and sad! Why???? Nico used to be my favorite character...."So long as you understand that he was gay/bi the whole time you liked his character. Seems a shame that you'd abandon him now just because he finally said out loud what's been there the entire time.
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