The House of Hades
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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "No. Im mad at Rick cause you've got people as young as 9 reading these books. They don't need to read about that, sorry."And there are apparently people younger than that who understand there's no problem with people of the same gender liking each other romantically. Don't use kids as an excuse for your prejudice and bigotry. If you don't like it, then own up to that, but don't use others as an excuse.
Besides, who are you to judge what other people's kids should and shouldn't be reading at what age? Dumbledore was gay. Should kids not read Harry Potter?
Why don't you let kids make up their own minds? So you can teach them one book's (the bible) perspective, but not another? Let them decide for themselves what's right and what's wrong when it comes to who to love.
Matthews 5:28 also says "But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.". So technically speaking, it's sinful and immoral of Percy to look at Annabeth and think about how hot she is. I don't see you complaining about that. Where exactly are you willing to draw the line?
Take a page from Jason's book, and don't judge Nico based on one single trait. Don't you think it's far more sinful in God's eyes to judge someone like that? What happened to "love thy neighbors"? Nico is a hero. I think that's resonating with kids far more than the idea that he was crushing on Percy.
I have nothing against gay people, but I think Rick is obviously straining to put a twist into the series by making Nico gay. Nico is TWELVE and has not shown at any point beforehand that he had feelings for Percy. Than all of a sudden, boom! The reason he was a jerk to everyone is because he liked guys in the 21 century amongst the most liberal people(the demigods) he will ever meet. I know Nico has issues, and that's perfectly okay. But I'm sure there are other issues that can be discussed.
I agree that children should be educated at a young age about this sort of issue, but making Nico gay is just stretching the storyline a little bit.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but can you specify where?
As far as I know, Percy is 17 and Nico is _at least_ 14-15. Also, there were plenty of clues in the previous books (see Chayse's excellent compilation of clues in this thread). So it was not "boom" all of a sudden.Also, you forget that Nico was brought up in the 1940s (before the _sexual revolution of 1960s_ - and that was just hetero) so he was understandably mortified about his feelings. So he could not just blurt it out to people he did not even consider his friends fully. Remember, he spent much of the books brooding away from them and trying to bring his sister back.
Nico started in the third book of the series as a nine-year-old. The forth book- 10, fifth book-11. As far as I understand, the entire Camp Jupiter series happened within one year. Therefore- he would be 12. I didn't see any thread by Chayse...lol.
I am aware that Nico was brought up in the 1940s until he was 9! I highly doubt he would be highly educated or aware of his own sexuality at that age.
Nico's greif for his sister is one of the primary reasons that I don't think it was appropriate to bring him out of the closet now. I mean, I would've thought Nico would have other things to be upset about other than his crush on Percy.
he is already ten in titan's curse... while Bianca is twelve... That's Grover's estimate when they're about to rescue the two.. Percy is more or less 3 years older than Nico (disregarding their birth dates of course but according to their biological age) and it is said in the House of Hades that Percy is 17, so that's an evidence that Nico is probably 14. Anyways, I know a lot of people who's been aware of their sexuality at an early age and though some of them changed their views as they grew up, some are determined of their choices. And If you don't think it's not appropriate for Nico to out now, when do you think is the suitable time? it is the second to the last book of the series, and we don't know if there will be another Percy Jackson Series. Wouldn't it be so bad if the beans were spilled in the last book, when we're just shocked and couldn't ask for more?
He stated as ten years old in Titan's. Yes, there is a discrepancy with Nico's age. He was stated to be 14 in the House of Hades, however less than 3 years have passed since he was ten. I understand why people are confused. But he's been stated as fourteen, so we have to take that as his official age.As for children not being ready to read stuff like that. So they're ready to read about murder, demons, death, incest, bestiality, love, kissing and even talk about having children, but not a crush on another boy? Seriously? If you're old enough to have a crush, you're old enough to know that not everyone crushes on people who are the opposite gender.
Sheechiibii wrote: "He stated as ten years old in Titan's. Yes, there is a discrepancy with Nico's age. He was stated to be 14 in the House of Hades, however less than 3 years have passed since he was ten. I understand why people are confused. But he's been stated as fourteen, so we have to take that as his official age."Yeah, sometimes it's hard to keep track of the ages. I think most people get tripped up by the time different between Lost Hero and Son of Neptune. Remember, when Percy's arguing with Hera, he makes mention that it's at least 8 months since he went missing from Camp. There's 2/3 of another year right there. Also, Nico is 10 at his introduction, but it's not as though it's his birthday. He could have been a month away from his next birthday.
So I agree with you. If his most recent age is stated to be 14, then that's what the readers have to go with.
Sheechiibii wrote: "He stated as ten years old in Titan's. Yes, there is a discrepancy with Nico's age. He was stated to be 14 in the House of Hades, however less than 3 years have passed since he was ten. I understan..."Alright, you guys have convinced me of Nico's age :)
However, I feel that Nico's sexuality really isn't the most relevant thing to the storyline so far. There are so many other themes Rick could have explored with Nico, given Nico's unique background and tragic upbringing, and yet Rick did not choose those things. Yes, it is important to educate people at a young age about these sorts of issues. However, I simply feel that not in this book because it impedes with the flow .
Maria wrote: "he is already ten in titan's curse... while Bianca is twelve... That's Grover's estimate when they're about to rescue the two.. Percy is more or less 3 years older than Nico (disregarding their bir..."Sheechiibii wrote: "He stated as ten years old in Titan's. Yes, there is a discrepancy with Nico's age. He was stated to be 14 in the House of Hades, however less than 3 years have passed since he was ten. I understan..."
I am not homophobic, but I simply do not think " Nico coming out" should be incorporated as part of the storyline because it does not contribute to the current plot at all. It simply directs the reader's attention away from Nico and to his sexuality. IT is a little abrupt and impedes with the flow of the book, that is all.
Alyssa wrote: "However, I feel that Nico's sexuality really isn't the most relevant thing to the storyline so far. There are so many other themes Rick could have explored with Nico, given Nico's unique background and tragic upbringing..."It might not be majorly relevant to the story, but it's extremely relevant to the character. His crush on Percy is the reason it hurt twice as much to lose Bianca. Someone he had feelings for promised to protect and bring back alive the only family he has in the entire world. Add to that, Percy was the one who told him about Camp, and how much he'd like it there, and formed that bond with Nico right after Bianca decided to leave him to join the Hunters. Essentially Percy replaced Bianca as the only person in Nico's life. Then Percy comes back from the quest and says "I let your sister die". Wouldn't you be a little crazed by all the conflicting feelings?
Grief, for Bianca.
Anger, at Percy for breaking his promise.
Confusion, because Nico likes Percy but now he's that guy who let Bianca die.
Abandonment, because now he feels alone in the world at 10 years old.
Loneliness, because he doesn't think he belongs anywhere.
Fear, because he doesn't know what he is and there's no one to show him.
Nico had a lot going on. If he hadn't been crushing on Percy, it's possible he might have still stuck around Camp and just avoided Percy. That one single moment in his life is catalytic to his character. (It's why I want so badly for him to find happiness by the end of the next book. >_<)
You all can think what you want about how his orientation changes (or not) his character.
I love Nico. Not because he's gay or not gay, but because he's Nico, and he's deserving of love.
Catherine wrote: "Alyssa wrote: "However, I feel that Nico's sexuality really isn't the most relevant thing to the storyline so far. There are so many other themes Rick could have explored with Nico, given Nico's un..."Very well said mate!!! I also hope that Nico will have a good ending and get the love he deserve, whether its romantic or companionate...
@Alyssa - You are missing the point. Even if his age is 12 he would still have crushes (c'mon didn't you know guys having a crush in junior school?). So he would be well aware of his sexuality. And you buffoon, I meant that Chayse had posted in this thread itself, as you would have known if you had been following it. Also, Nico's "coming out" explains the whole reason why he leads the 7 to the House of Hades even though he had no reason to (being ostracized his whole life) and of course everything else Catherine said. It makes the character as a whole much more interesting. Books are plot + _characterization_, not just the storyline.
Love you for putting up that post Catherine! Just excellent.
There are many reasons why Nico coming out is good for the books. For one, these books are about the Greek myths, which feature many, many stories of homosexuality.
Secondly, it's part of the character, and as Rick has said, it would be wrong for him to write Nico's character in a way that isn't natural to him.
Thirdly, it tells us an awful lot about Nico's character that we didn't understand before, it explains pretty much all of his odd behaviour, praising Percy all the time but trying to keep his distance from him whenever possible.
Fourthly, Rick writes about characters that are going to be relate-able to kids like them - he writes about ADHD, dyslexia, mixed race and now homosexuality because these are issues many kids struggle with and often suffer bullying from. He's trying to show them they're not alone, that they're just like anybody else, and that they can be amazing too. No matter who tells them they can't.
Aditya wrote: "@Alyssa - You are missing the point. Even if his age is 12 he would still have crushes (c'mon didn't you know guys having a crush in junior school?). So he would be well aware of his sexuality. A..."
Wow, getting old fashioned around here. Haven't seen the word " buffoon" in awhile.
I agree with Catherine when she said Nico was struck with grief and everything when he lost Bianca. However, I think he first saw Percy as a big brother instead of a potential love match. The crush probably happened much later.
Nico have plenty of reason to lead the others to the House of Hades. He owed much to Percy to this point of his life, and perhaps, have done it out of the goodness of his heart( for a change?)
I feel that the outing Nico's love for percy takes away the complexity of his character. Now we know he did what he did because of love. If he have done something, we can say he did it because of love. If he hadn't done something, we again say he did it because of love. I feel that Rick could have made Nico a far more interesting character if his motives were something other than love. Let it be vengeance, guilt, greed...etc anything. Love in a children's book is a cure-for-all.
I'll admit it's a smart way to put in a plot-twister, but not a nice way to set up a good character.
Besides your last point does not make any sense. Plot+ characterization is the storyline.
Catherine wrote: "Alyssa wrote: "However, I feel that Nico's sexuality really isn't the most relevant thing to the storyline so far. There are so many other themes Rick could have explored with Nico, given Nico's un..."please read my reply to Aditya :)
Alyssa wrote: "I have nothing against gay people, but I think Rick is obviously straining to put a twist into the series by making Nico gay. Nico is TWELVE and has not shown at any point beforehand that he had fe..."
THE BIBLERomans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
The Bible says it all. it says that homosexuality is an error. another word for error is WRONG.
Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."I will read the last book, but only because I've read all the other Kane and Olympus book and liked then. I was disgusted and disappointed that he had done this. And to others this is on topic. We are talking about Nico being gay.
Aurora wrote: "I don't think that Nico is gay as in he wants to be in a sexual relationship with Percy. That totally doesn't fit Nico's character to me at all. I think it's more fitting that Nico would have roman..."jason says they will all support him and the author decides everything
Bobthetiten wrote: "THE BIBLERomans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one ano..."
So what? You're the one who chooses to believe that, nobody else has to live by your theories. It's a personal thing. Please keep it to yourself instead of forcing it on other people. The bible is not a book of facts. It's no more factually correct than the myths Rick Riordan bases this series on.
You're telling people who are gay (something that is a fact) that they are wrong based on what? A book documenting other people's theories about life? A book that also says eating ham or seafood is wrong, as is cutting your hair, working on a Sunday or wearing two different types of fabric. I'm guessing you don't do any of those things either? Or do you just pick and choose which parts of the bible you want to follow and which you don't?
Religion has no place in a discussion about human nature. Sexuality is something people are born with, something that has been around long before religious theories were ever made up.
oh god. why the hell are we quoting scriptures??
OK - seriously "religion has no place in discussion about human nature" are you joking or woefully uninformed. Religion is all about human nature, and weather you have a "moral" code or ....NOTHING - all is allowable - whatever the degradation. Morality comes from a belief in something greater than yourself. Only in our "modernistic" society, do we teach that all things are relative and that there is no absolute truth. "Sexuality is something you are born with", OK - but what you do with that sexuality is a CHOICE!!!! Let me repeat - what you do with your SEXUALITY is a CHOICE. Just like some chick doesn't have to spread her legs for every dude that wants it, and every dude doesn't go around acting as sperm donor to the world and husbands don't HAVE to cheat on their wives when they get an itch she isn't around to scratch......People CHOOSE to do these things all the time....oh yeah, and beastiality and incest can be put on that list to - maybe you see nothing MORALLY wrong with them either. In all these cases, RELIGION DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT PERSONAL BEHAVIOR....Deal with that.
OH - an one more thing ON TOPIC TO THIS BOOK -- Did anyone else feel that the mention of NICO having sexual feelings toward Percy came totally out of left field and was simple GRATUITOUS!!! Come On - are there really PC police out there demanding that Homosexuality come into a children's book that my kids started reading in the 3rd grade (what - ages 8&9)....Needless to say, I read the book before my kids and made sure they knew it was there. My 12 year old boys were totally turned off - one said he won't even finish the books. Guess Rick R. got his money up front, then threw this tidbit of PC in after he had already gotten kids and parents roped in. Personally, I felt like I had gotten "slimed".
Human nature is all about facts, biology, history. Religion is people believing something about things that cannot and have not been proven. They are entirely different things. Telling people they are wrong or unnatural based on your belief is what can be described as shoving your beliefs down others throats. I have beliefs, but I would never, ever try to tell someone how to live their life according to what I have chosen to believe about things that nobody knows anything real about. If you think religion has more meaning than theories and ideals about things that can't be proven, then it's you who are misinformed. Religion can 'say' whatever it wants, it has no baring in the real world, since it is entirely based on people's beliefs and absolutely nothing of substance.
As for bestiality and incest, they both involve non-consent or abuse, which makes them an entirely different thing to homosexuality or heterosexuality, both of which involves two consenting adults. It's ridiculous to compare them. Of course they choose whether to have sex or not, just like straight people choose to have sex or not. It's absolutely no different.
And there were no sexual feelings mentioned in the book. Rick Riordan writes for kids, he's never mentioned anything sexual or explicit in any of his books. A crush is not sexual. Rick has always written for kids to show them they're accepted no matter what society says. That's why he had ADHD, dyslexia, mixed races etc having a gay character is exactly the same thing. Rick's doing what he can to tell those children that they don't have to hate themselves, because they can be heroes too. Do you think he cares about the bigots and the bullies? No. He has always written for the kids who feel left out and different, and he has always tried to show them they're perfect the way they are. Personally I think that's totally admirable.
Religion is all about human nature - it is a discussion about theories and ideas - Religion is a search for TRUTH (just like science, facts, history)...This is where all the arguments come in....we develop our sense of MORALITY on our religion, be that Humanism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc....Religion IS about searching for TRUTH...Some come to find acceptable truth 'to them' others just seek Truth. I don't deny that children should feel accepted, but there are things in society that are unacceptable....should we accept a thief? a murderer? a liar? a cheater? Someone who is irresponsible? We put lists of "Character Qualities" on our kids all the time, but they are just lists. How do PROVE to them that these things are WRONG or RIGHT? We make value judgments all the time on BEHAVIOR and CHOICES....Why this topic to defend??? ....If we can tell our children that being a liar, cheat, murderer or lazy bum is wrong, why do we stop at sexual behavior and throw up are hands and say anything goes? Just wonderin .
No, religion is about having faith and belief in something even when there's no proof for it. You don't need religion to have morals, and many people who are religious have pretty disgraceful morals. It's still only a belief, and has no basis on anybodies life other than the one who believes it. Give me one good reason why being homosexual is wrong, a reason based on facts, not belief. There are factual reasons why murdering, cheating, stealing, lying etc are wrong - because they hurt other people. Being homosexual doesn't hurt anybody. Being homophobic does though.
If you don't have FAITH and BELIEF in something - then where do your MORALS come from?.....You say you don't need religion to have morals...Morals come from having some sort of religion - even if it is putting yourself in charge and saying that it is your own "personal" standards....This is HUMANISM - a Philosophy / Religion in and of itself. Just saying. We all pick something to worship GOD (Yahweh), a god, ourselves....Now I would be so bold as to say that THAT FACT is HUMAN NATURE.
From wanting to be a nice person? You don't need belief in a deity or belief in heaven or punishment after death or whatever you believe in to decide you don't want to hurt other people. The reason I don't lie or steal or murder isn't because I fear repercussion from karma or because I fear going to hell. It's because I don't like hurting people, I hate seeing people hurt. I even hate animals being hurt. That has nothing to do with religion. Not everyone worships something either.
In answer to your "reason homosexuality is wrong" - I could go the "religious" route and say because God said so....OK ...but personally - have you ever read a medical report about the effects of homosexual sex...not good, or the ACTUAL statistics about the drug use, promiscuity, diseases and psychological ramifications of homosexual ACTS on persons (male and female). Those FACTS alone make it something I would want to warn my children about because it is not conducive to a healthy (and often happy) life...I have acquaintances who are gay - I care about them deeply, but they are truly the most unhappy people I know....just anecdotal experience...If you don't think that homosexual acts don't hurt people...talk to some people who counsel folks in this lifestyle....It isn't about being homophobic at all. Just the opposite. I would love to see these folks happy and satisfied with their lives, but usually (GRANTED, FROM MY EXPERIENCE) most of them are truly NOT.
If by 'homosexual sex' you mean anal sex - heterosexuals do that too, quite a lot. And not all gays have sex like that, and what about the lesbians? Also, vaginal sex has heaps of health risks as well. Drug use, promiscuity, stds - these have nothing at all to do with sexuality. Heterosexuals have all these problems too.
I know many, many gay people. And most are so fun loving, happy with life people. Do you know when they weren't happy? When they were younger and they were pretending to be straight to fit in with what people like you preached about them being wrong or unnatural.
Do you know the one thing that makes most of my gay friends sad or unhappy (outside of issues relating to everyday life like any heterosexual person would have)? Homophobia.
Just because you don't want to "hurt" someone or something makes you "moral"? This statement requires that YOU define HURT!!! Not the other person. Other people get "hurt" by each of us all the time....hurt feelings because one doesn't get one's own way, hurt because expectations are not met, hurt because certain actions are not performed...I could go on. BUT this does not make a system of morality. Sorry, it just doesn't. I have these discussions with people all the time. You can't put your definition of "hurt" on someone else....again....HUMANISM!!! You are the one you worship.....which leads me to close this thread because I have to go to an appointment....WE ALL WORSHIP SOMETHING IF WE ARE TRUELY HONEST WITH OURSELVES. Like I said, and I repeat, THIS FACT IS INDEED REAL HUMAN NATURE. That is why we argue about religion, philosophy, morality and such. WE ALL WANT TO BE RIGHT AND KNOW THE TRUTH!!! Let's face it!! Not to get all religious, but that is why I began seeking the truth many years ago an came up against Jesus Christ when he sais "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life". Needless to say, I stopped there and parked for awhile and found much to ponder in that statement. My journey continues.....Good chatting but I really do need to go.
Yes you define hurt. You can choose to do something you know will hurt others, or you can choose to try not to hurt others. That's called having morals. You can only control your own actions, you can't control how others feel because of them. But most people have a reasonable understanding of what will hurt others, it's called empathy, and it is indeed in human nature. Only psychopaths don't have that. You think I'm a humanist? Nope I'm not. And I don't worship anybody. Saying something is a fact doesn't make it so no matter how many times you repeat it. To be a fact you need proof, and you don't have it. I don't argue about religion, I've never told someone their religious beliefs are wrong. As for wanting to be right. I don't mind if I'm wrong. I have my beliefs, maybe they're right, maybe other people's are right. I don't mind, I'll find out when I'm dead :) until then I won't live my life according to any set of rules. I'll live my life based solely on what my own experiences have taught me is right or wrong.
And in my experience saying hateful things and forcing religion on others is definitely hurtful and wrong.
Pfloyd wrote: "OK - seriously "religion has no place in discussion about human nature" are you joking or woefully uninformed. Religion is all about human nature, and weather you have a "moral" code or ....NOTHI..."YEs, yes ,yes. this is great.
perfect
Checked this as I am leaving....Read your last comment...classic definition of Humanism. You do worship yourself....that's OK - lots of people do.
You have no idea what my beliefs are. I haven't mentioned any of my religious beliefs on here once. As I said, they have no place in the discussion.
Pfloyd wrote: "In answer to your "reason homosexuality is wrong" - I could go the "religious" route and say because God said so....OK ...but personally - have you ever read a medical report about the effects of ..."Pfloyd wrote: "If you don't have FAITH and BELIEF in something - then where do your MORALS come from?.....You say you don't need religion to have morals...Morals come from having some sort of religion - even if ..."
why so awesome? this is so perfect.
Stop quoting the damn bible and stop telling people all about your religion, all of you. No one gives a damn. What are we here for? To preach about your religion? No. So, stop it. It's really freaking annoying. If you don't like homosexuals then don't freaking comment on the damn thread! And you guys who support homosexuality: stop replying. It's becoming a stupid argument. No one cares about your god damn reasons. Just shut the hell up. I'm done.
Sorry but considering this is a topic about a character being gay, it's perfectly normal for there to be discussion about that. And I will never stop supporting homosexuality. I've seen horrible things happen because of homophobia and I will never stop speaking up against it because even if I get one person to reconsider their words or actions it would be worth it.
For starters, I would just like to say that I have been reading Percy Jackson since high school and am now 21 years old but I still enjoy these books; and any author who can do that, make a book for 9-12-year-olds appealing to a 21-year-old deserves some serious kudos. The only author I know that has had the same affect is J.K. Rowling. Now, on to the topic of Nico. The minute I read the word Cupid, I was like "finally, maybe he can find someone for Nico". Then I read Nico's reaction and I couldn't understand, I would have thought that meeting Cupid was a good thing. Then I start thinking "ok, so he has a crush on Annabeth, that's understandable, why is his reaction so extreme". Pause. Then I went OMG, the only thing that could make this better is if it's Percy he has a crush on. But I went like naaaah... Riordan wouldn't have the stones to do it. Three pages later..., Holy S**t, he did have the stones, sweeeeet. Rick Riordan, I now bow down to your awesomeness and bravery. If the book was good before, the instant shot of complete respect and admiration I felt for Riordan made this my favorite book he has ever written. Now, next book, I want to see Percy finding out or realizing Nico's feelings for him because I really want to see his reaction. But knowing our Percy, he'll probably be really sweet about it but won't be able to stop himself from joking about how hot he is, and how it's his curse.
@Yvenande OMG I agree with you. Like
I was really surprised at first. I'm a hardcore Percabeth shipper but now I feel like shipping Percico >_< I think it was adorable! I lurve ya, Rick :D
@Sheechiibii Okay I know this is a discussion for that. I'm just trying to say that you guys need to stop quoting stuff from the bible cause I don't want to keep going to this thread to see things from the bible. I'm an atheist, I don't like that. It's annoying to me. You guys can discuss the whole gay thing just, PLEASE, don't quote things from the bible. We shouldn't be religious here. Thank you.
I was really surprised at first. I'm a hardcore Percabeth shipper but now I feel like shipping Percico >_< I think it was adorable! I lurve ya, Rick :D
@Sheechiibii Okay I know this is a discussion for that. I'm just trying to say that you guys need to stop quoting stuff from the bible cause I don't want to keep going to this thread to see things from the bible. I'm an atheist, I don't like that. It's annoying to me. You guys can discuss the whole gay thing just, PLEASE, don't quote things from the bible. We shouldn't be religious here. Thank you.
^ that's exactly what I was saying before about leaving religion out of this. I don't think I could ever ship Perico :( I like Percabeth too much. I want Nico to get with someone new. Possible a human XD just think how much trouble he'd be in with his father then.
Awwww yeah, preferably me. Rick should do a raffle where hardcore Nico lovers write all
About themselves in a paper and Rick just chooses one and that girl/boy gets to be Nico's lucky new gf/bf :D I would be so hype if it were me! Lol but he'd never do that xD Unfortunately
About themselves in a paper and Rick just chooses one and that girl/boy gets to be Nico's lucky new gf/bf :D I would be so hype if it were me! Lol but he'd never do that xD Unfortunately
Rachel wrote: "i absolutely love nico. he is my favorite character and has been since he was introduced in the titan's curse. Him being gay changed absolutely NOTHING. hes still a really awesome guy, no matter wh..."I totally agree!!!!!
Catherine wrote: "Paigetwo *Caitlyn* wrote: "No. Im mad at Rick cause you've got people as young as 9 reading these books. They don't need to read about that, sorry."And there are apparently people younger than th..."
Sorry if this comes out rude, but don't pull out scripture to make it fit for you. For taking it out of context doesn't show much.
Bobthetiten wrote: "THE BIBLERomans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one ano..."
THANK YOU!
Pfloyd wrote: "OK - seriously "religion has no place in discussion about human nature" are you joking or woefully uninformed. Religion is all about human nature, and weather you have a "moral" code or ....NOTHI..."Yess!! Perfectly said!
Im sorry but I absolutely hate when people say that: "homophobe" The correct definition for a homophobe is some who is afraid of homosexuals.Newsflash people: JUST CAUSE YOU AREN'T FOR HOMOSEXUALITY DOESN'T MAKE YOU A HOMOPHOBE CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU ARE AFRAID OF THEM!!!!!!
Sorry, just had to say that already.
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So long as you understand that he was gay/bi the whole time you liked his chara..."
No. Im mad at Rick cause you've got people as young as 9 reading these books. They don't need to read about that, sorry.