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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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When I read this at first it took me by surprise and then I thought about it and it made so much since! And Jason's inner thinking was how he loved Annabeth and that made me began thinking it was Percy not her because that made more since.
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I kinda thought, when whoever it was said the the one he loved most was in Tartarus, that it couldn't be Annabeth. I mean, why give a cryptic message that states the obvious? However, I thought it meant a friendly sibling respect sort of love for Percy, so I still did a double take when That whole scene came about!
Avalon wrote: "Yeah I hate it when people talk trash about gays too. And Blogger, did you know? Uncle Rick said he isn't going to make an epilogue. This is exactly what he wrote when someone asked him if he was g..."I'm glad Riordan won't write an epilogue. I really didn't care much for the epilogue at the end of the Harry Potter series. I thought it was a little too cliche.
i did not like the harry potter epilogue. it seemed wrong to me. not weird, or out of context, it just rubbed me the wrong way. i usually only like epilogues if they are in the middle of a series, and it, say gives a bit of a hint or maybe some kind of link to the next book, or something similar. having one at the end of a series is a no no for me, so im glad that rick isnt going to write one
Dria wrote: "Q and A... Why does everyone call him Uncle Rick? Is it a universal Uncle Sam sort of thing, or are all these people really his nieces and nephews????"Have you noticed Leo often refers to himself as "Uncle Leo" throughout the books? Well, Uncle Rick is simply affectionate term from us readers to him (Leo being one of the favorite and incontestably the most humorous characters for most of us).
@Joy, thank you for those points. I used to get scared after reading these things about Christianity. Now, I am seriously giving a thought on exploring it further.
By the way, I loved the Harry Potter epilogue. That was one series which just could not do without one. I mean, there were so many threads that got resolved due to it, and Albus and James relationship was just hilarious. I also liked the fact that Draco moved on. I think the epilogue and Snape's life were the only things well written in the series.
I wish Uncle does not leave us without clearing up Nico and Reyna (and a bunch of other things too). There is a fine line between "leaving things to reader's imagination" and cowardice or just plain laziness. You know, like get gay "representation" in the books but do not do anything about it. That would be just sad for an amazing series.
SPOILER WARNING -
For those of you who read _Son of Sobek_, how can he just end Percy Jackson, especially after he left Carter Kane with the means to contact him in an emergency? And I expect there will be plenty of those in the Egyptian series (they get into _much_ worse situations than HoO). That should be settled too.
You guys do realise that Christianity is just a belief right? I mean, I don't want to cause offence, but gay people are born that way, they don't have a choice about it any more than people have a choice about what skin colour they have, or whether they're a man or a woman. Religious belief however is 100% choice, people look at the world, the things in it, and decide what they believe in. Now, to me, believing in something is a personal thing, and I'd never, ever force it on others by telling them my belief has an affect on them. I just think that's totally wrong. Also, why follow what other people believe? Why not think for yourselves and decide what you believe based on what you've experienced personally rather than what you've been told by your parents or school? Having a guide book is all well and good, but it was written by humans for humans, and all it does it tell us what they believed.
@Aditya YESS I agree with you about the epilogue thingy. We really need a epilogue and I actually expected Carter to appear in the HoH cuz of the whole Son of Sobek thingy. Maybe he'll appear in the BoO? Idk... Maybe that would be too late in the series to introduce the whole Egyptian side to everybody. Aaannddd I don't get why people didn't like the HP epilogue! It's true, they showed us how Draco moved on and we really needed that closure about Draco. Anyways, I'm just saying that I wish Uncle Rick would make an epilogue, that would be awesome and I need one :(
Avalon wrote: "@Aditya YESS I agree with you about the epilogue thingy. We really need a epilogue and I actually expected Carter to appear in the HoH cuz of the whole Son of Sobek thingy. Maybe he'll appear in th..."I'm in debate about wanting an epilogue for this series. On one hand, it lets readers know how their happy ending is like. And it'll make many really happy.
But on the other hand, I feel like it's a tad unnecessary and kind of takes away the strong endings that Riordan likes to have for his books. I dont know, I just can't picture an epilogue as a strong ending. The only epilogue that I was genuinely impressed with was the one for Mockingjay.
Also, an epilogue makes me a mite disheartened because I missed out on knowing other adventures they've had.
So I'm kind of half and half on whether I want an epilogue or not. :(
I don't want an epilogue. At least not one set in the far future. I wouldn't mind an epilogue that tells us where the characters are going next after everything is finished, just to tie up the loose ends. But I don't like future-set epilogues. And because Rick's doing other series set in the same world, there's a big chance of cameos.
Sheechiibii wrote: "You guys do realise that Christianity is just a belief right? I mean, I don't want to cause offence, but gay people are born that way, they don't have a choice about it any more than people have a ..."I agree with your message completely. One thing I've always wondered though was why would God create homosexuals if he despised them? It just doesn't make sense. I'm not necessarily Christian (I prefer to think of myself as agnostic), but didn't the Bible say that he loved everybody?
I have never once seen a good counter-argument to this subject despite how many times that it's been brought up in debates on homosexuality.
Anyway, I agree with you. :3
another reason why i dont like epilogues: they mean closure. it pretty much says: "this is the end. were you wanting maybe, like another series? oh, sorry, too bad for you. ha ha ha. sucker." i want the open possibility of there still being more, even if there is next to zero chance of one ever happening. it also leaves the door wide open for fanfics
Here's one thing I'm wondering what you guys think.Nico has/had a crush on Percy and is jealous of Annabeth. But what puzzles me was in the Battle of the Labyrinth book, Nico only conceded to come back to Camp Half Blood when Annabeth asked him. Was he trying to cover up his feelings? Or was this simply because Percy and Annabeth weren't 'with' each other yet?
And also, is he bi or something? He likes Percy, he seems unattracted to other guys (although we have never seen his POV) and yet he was blushing around Juniper, Grover's girlfriend when he came to Camp Half Blood to talk to Percy about his plan.
@Rachel yeah sure writing a epilogue means closure but I'm pretty sure that everyone already knows that Uncle Rick is going to end Greek myths after the BoO cuz he said he is not going to write anymore and that he's going to start with Norse and go into other mythologies. There are a lot of mythologies and he wants to write a lot so he's not going to keep hanging on to Greek. And epilogues still leave the door open for fanfics. Look at HP for instance. The epilogue let us know about their children and how they are which got people to write the new generation fanfics. I think he should write an epilogue. It would close everything and leave us with a happy ending :) Not like I want it to end or anything, but since it is going to end he should give us an epilogue.
@Pjatohoo IKR? It's not only me who thinks he's not actually gay! I keep coming to the idea that he is pan.. I know a lot of people disagree with that but he was never attracted to boys, just Percy. And he also blushes around girls too so he is not completely gay. I think he is either pan or bi but there is a more likely chance that he is bi. I wish he was pan, that would be adorable lol xDD
I don't think he disliked Annabeth, I think being around her hurts him though. And before they got together it probably wasn't as bad. As for the blushing, I think he blushes more because he's shy/embarrassed than because of affection. He doesn't interact with people often and is really socially awkward. I think that was why Annabeth thought he liked her, I think he blushed around her. I don't really think not being attracted to other guys indicates that he's bi, I mean not many of the other characters are attracted to anyone other than the one they're with. I don't think Frank or Piper have ever shown attraction to anyone other than Jason or Hazel, so we could just as easily say they might be bi.
um not to be dumb.....but what is pansexual??
Pansexual is when you're attracted to all gender identities, not just men and women.
UM IS THERE ANOTHER GENDER I'M NOT AWARE OF?
Transexuals, intersex people. The way I understand it pansexuals don't put emphasis on gender as a reason to find someone attractive. While someone who is bi would say "I find men and women attractive" someone who is pan would say "I find people attractive, regardless of their gender".
Pansexuals are people who love somebody regardless of their sex. Like, they would look past the sex of the person they love, I guess. I knew a pan and she was the type that looks at personality and she doesn't care about the sex of the person she loves.
Ariel wrote: "This totally took me by surprise at first, but when I thought about it I thought I remembered a part in a previous book where I thought he might be gay for a second, then quickly dismissed it. I co..."sure... in the last olympian, Nico had Percy all to him self in his fathers palace...talked him into taking a dip in the Styx... thought it was odd that Nico wanted to keep percy in prison, to himself as to say.....i clearly got that nico had some kind of feelings for percy...not a surprise....
Avalon wrote: "@Pjatohoo IKR? It's not only me who thinks he's not actually gay! I keep coming to the idea that he is pan.. I know a lot of people disagree with that but he was never attracted to boys, just Percy..."Pjatohoo wrote: "Here's one thing I'm wondering what you guys think.
Nico has/had a crush on Percy and is jealous of Annabeth. But what puzzles me was in the Battle of the Labyrinth book, Nico only conceded to come..."
I actually had a theory on the blushing thing-
you know how hazel still fans herself? i think its more like a 1940's thing. Nico's not USED to that kind of proximity. Hazel fans, nico blushes.
Also I dont think rick relized what nico would be until last olympian. THERE IS SO-MANY-FREAKING-HINTS. more in that book than anyother.
Pjatohoo wrote: "Here's one thing I'm wondering what you guys think.Nico has/had a crush on Percy and is jealous of Annabeth. But what puzzles me was in the Battle of the Labyrinth book, Nico only conceded to come..."
also hate to be mushy but im pretty sure nico has only crushed on one person- percy. thats it. and nico practically almost said hes gay (actually he couldnt bring him self to say the actual WORD but close enough in that sentence)
@Chayse - Yes, but he is a kid and not would not be thinking clearly through all the pain. So his thoughts are hardly reliable. Gay is what he regards himself as but he never thinks even once about anyone else other than Percy. You know like a "one true...". He is _just fourteen_. He could have hardly thought about it as deeply as we are right now :) So even though he thinks he is that and can not even speak the word _and_ is ashamed of himself, for now we have just seen this attraction towards one person. He is too young to know his sexuality for sure (say he meets someone in the next book and finds true love, letting go of the adoration he feels for Percy - JUST SAYING! his present feelings for Percy could be serious too). I am just writing this to tell you guys that it is too early to be labeling him as a 100% gay or pan. Also, Chayse is right, that blushing around Juniper was simply a result of the upbringing of 1940s.
P.S - I do not know how many times I have written this on this thread but - google Kinsey scale.
I was really shocked by this one.It's really weird that it was Nico who became...well, you know, he just seemed so "hardcore"(for lack of better term), and it's really weird that he'd be gay, or something.
Plus, The PJO and the HoO were all tagged as a 'Children's Book' and I can't believe that Rick Riordan just included homosexuality in the book.
Seriously, my cousin, who was a little kid (who was reading the PJO and HoO series) asked me "why a boy was 'in love' with another boy" and I had to make sure to make the kid forget about it, otherwise he'd go ask his parents (or worse mine) and they'd ban me from reading the series again (they're kind of strict)...It's not like I don't support gay rights or anything, I just didn't expect Rick to put 'this' in a book where a lot of readers are children. I know that children should be aware of these stuff, and that they'd just learn about it sooner or later, but it's just that in the kind of society we live in, 'homosexuality' is currently being discriminated, left and right, I don't think any children should suffer that, simply because thy read it from a book and thought that it was 'okay'.
Sorry for the long rant.
Also..
A moment of silence to fangirls everywhere.
Chayse wrote: "Pjatohoo wrote: "Here's one thing I'm wondering what you guys think.Nico has/had a crush on Percy and is jealous of Annabeth. But what puzzles me was in the Battle of the Labyrinth book, Nico only..."
Well considering he was ten when he met Percy, it's not really strange that he's the only one he's had a crush on is it? And yeah what he said to Jason is pretty much a sure thing that he's gay. He just couldn't bring himself to say it :(
Aditya, you're right of course. But the same could be said for almost every other character. Frank has only shown attraction to Hazel, maybe he doesn't know himself yet, maybe he's actually bi. Or Piper, who has only shown attraction to Jason, maybe she's bi too. How can we say they're 100% straight? We can't, not any more than we can say Nico's 100% gay.
Allthegoodusersweretaken wrote: "I was really shocked by this one.It's really weird that it was Nico who became...well, you know, he just seemed so "hardcore"(for lack of better term), and it's really weird that he'd be gay, or ..."
Some kids are gay. It's not a mature topic at all. If children are old enough to have crushes they're old enough to know that not everyone crushes on the opposite sex. Rick has always been about showing children that it's okay to be different, whether they're dyslexic, have ADHD, are of mixed race etc this is no different, just another way for Rick to support the children who need it most.
@Allthegoodusersweretaken - You know, your point also leads me to think that Uncle Rick actually bills his books in the wrong age group (they are 9-12 now?). They have always been more of a teenagers' series (13-18). By the way, I am sorry to say this but I find your story hard to believe. Your cousin who is so young that he has not heard the word "gay" yet, has already completed PJ series _and_ 4 books of the Heroes of Olympus? That is ridiculous to be frank. Not that he has not read it, but that he must already know the meaning of gay if not homo and he never asked such a question and you are using it as an excuse to express your own objections to gay content in the book.Also, why are all these complaints suddenly popping up left and right? Before this book, why did no kid ask how does Poseidon have children with _more than one woman_ or how does a _brother have children with a sister_ (I can not exactly recall this one, but I remember reading it somewhere in PJ series). I think all these stories are false or that Rick Riordan made a serious mistake by not labeling it as a teenager series.
I go with the latter because any kid who actually reads a PJ book _fully_ from cover to cover, _must_ be big enough (at _least_ 11 and that is a stretch) to have heard and comprehended the word gay and its meaning.
Thus I do not believe you. Nothing personal, I hope you read through my reasons for this carefully before replying.
@Aditya- I see your point, but it's not like he's 'finished' every book. More like I read it to him sometimes, and he reads alone sometimes, plus when I say 'little kid, its not like said he's 9 or something, nut when I think about it now it seems a bit unbelievable, but I read the book when I was 9, or so, and the kid just began about a year ago, or something.Thanks, and sorry for not really clearing things up
Allthegoodusersweretaken wrote: "@Aditya- I see your point, but it's not like he's 'finished' every book. More like I read it to him sometimes, and he reads alone sometimes, plus when I say 'little kid, its not like said he's 9 or..."That is alright. I also read interesting parts of the various books to my little brother, like to see his eyes go round :) Well, you should be careful which parts you read to him, that is all. I mean, practically everyone over 11 knows all about s** and gays nowadays. There is no point in acting as if they are lies while little kids suffer growing up as they have to deal with confusion _on top of_ shame (all the ******* discrimination against their kind).
Guys I knew about gays and sex and all that stuff in first grade. Even though your parents don't tell you, you hear it from school and other people. One time I was watching a show with my mom and there was a pregnant lady and I said "who did she do it with?" and my mom got so surprised and mad that I knew about sex. That happened when I was 11. Parents should know that children already hear this type of stuff and parents shouldn't keep them from seeing how the world is like. Being gay is just a part of people's everyday life and it should be accepted. I get tired of hearing that gayness and all that stuff is not for children and that it's "mature" stuff. This is how our world is like and if you don't like it, then keep it to yourself because people are already starting to accept it. Okay I'm done.
Originally wrote: "Sheechiibii wrote: "You guys do realise that Christianity is just a belief right? I mean, I don't want to cause offence, but gay people are born that way, they don't have a choice about it any more..."I just wanted to answer your question. I fully support gay people, and don't fully agree with what the Catholic Church teaches about gays, but this is the answer the Church has for your question (why God would create homosexuals if he hates them): First of all, the Catholic Church does not teach that God hates homosexuals - we accept that they are born that way. However, just as some heterosexual people are called to a life of chastity (i.e., abstaining from sex), the Church teaches that all homosexual people are called to a life of chastity. Or, well, if a gay man wanted to marry a woman and have a family with her, that would be okay too. But the Church believes that a number of people are called to live chaste lives (not just gay people), and that's what they believe for homosexuals.
Also, FYI, in the Catholic Church, gay people having sex with each other is a sin because of the chastity issue, not because of the homosexuality. The Church teaches that sex outside of marriage is a sin, and therefore, since people of the same sex can't be married in the Church, their having sex is a sin because it's sex outside of marriage. So it's basically the same sin as a man and a woman who are not married having sex.
Anywho, just thought I'd mention that for anyone interested; sorry I wandered off-topic a bit. I am Catholic, though I struggle with some of the things the Church teaches about gay people and gay marriage and sex in general.
I don't fully agree with it, however, it is one of the best answers I have heard, so I just thought I'd put that out there.
It feels like over time peoples respect for others just keeps dwindling down, and it keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. My teacher told us in class today that she saw on someones back sticky-notes saying hahaha mexican/asian, on a kid who was asian's back!!! He just laughed it off when he found out, but when she talked to him later, he said that it really hurt his feelings. Isn't that sooo mean?? And it's just flat out disrespectful. If you were asian would you want someone to do that to you? It's all about respect. If everyone respected each other for what and who they were, and didn't expect everyone to change to fit in with "normal" (which is a relative term - what is normal), then we wouldn't have half the legal issues and debates we have now.
I totally agree with you Cristina. Sadly many people dislike things they don't understand or things that are different from them. Many people feel that everyone should be like them, and if they're not, then they shouldn't exist. It's a sad way to live, but I do think things are slowly changing, younger generations are certainly growing up more open-minded.
I go to an insane art school thats really accepting of people of all types- crazy/quiet/smart/dumb/strait/gay. I dont know what makes my school so different (besides the fact im sure we are the only public highschool that has art majors and can draw on the wall *we are respectful no cursing or stuff like that on the walls*). Honestly i kid you guys not there is no
social class system or really bulling or fights (not one) or anything of that sort. and im so happy about that. but i just WISH other kids could have that. and why cant they???? it BOTHERS me how many people are still so discriminating and mean it. im talking about saying someones asian like its horrible- i have a friend nick-named asian and honestly hes treated like hes the sh**.
To everyone who is discriminating against someones sexuality or race or even personality(being weird or talkative or too shy) please just stop. this message wont probably do anything but i at least those people can identify themselves as people who excessively discriminate.
Yeah, discrimination is not good at all. A lot of people think that I'm a slut because of how my body looks and my face looks even though I dress respectively. It really annoys me because I don't want all these fake labels being put on me. It's not who I am and I wish people would stop. It hurts me in a way, to think that people believe I'm a slut and I go around just because of how my outer appearance is. When I tell them my hobby is reading and I like visiting the library and helping my community by doing services, they get surprised. They don't think that a "blonde bimbo" could like reading or helping out. It's not my fault that I was born like that. I'm not a slut. I'm not even interested in dating or that kind of stuff! I'm not like that. People are telling me who I am and I don't even know who I am myself. I wish we could live in a world with no discrimination but unfortunately that doesn't exist.
Avalon wrote: "Yeah, discrimination is not good at all. A lot of people think that I'm a slut because of how my body looks and my face looks even though I dress respectively. It really annoys me because I don't w..."thats horrible- my freshman year i went to a different high school and i have an immune system condition that basically means i get sick all the time. Well basically i HIV stands for "human immuno deficiancy virus". People spred it around that i had that and at first it was a joke but then it became so far spred that people legit thought it and i couldnt stop the rummor. it absolutly was horrible.
Omg are you serious? That's so wrong! They shouldn't just go around saying you have HIVs when it's not true. It's not fair to you either. You know how I said people think I'm a slut? So, I grew a pimple near my mouth once and everyone thought I had herpes. People assume that I have all these STDs because they think I "go around." They should just stop. How would they like it if someone spread rumors about them?
Ariel wrote: "This totally took me by surprise at first, but when I thought about it I thought I remembered a part in a previous book where I thought he might be gay for a second, then quickly dismissed it. I co..."I didn't see it coming, but it felt so RIGHT. I think that's because Riordan didn't make this big damn deal out of it. It simply was what it was. When Nico was feeling so guarded about it, I just wanted to reach into the book and give him a big ol' hug. Tell him "It's cool, Nico. It's cool." Love that kid even more now, yet the revelation of his crush won't change one thing about how I picture him in my mind.
What i am wondering is if Rick knew about this or did he just not know himself until a few books back or so
Alcatrax wrote: "What i am wondering is if Rick knew about this or did he just not know himself until a few books back or so"There was another thread where they posted up something about that. Essentially, the more he wrote for Nico, the more he realized that's how it was.
Yeah, he said "when I realised" so I think as Nico grew older in Rick's mind, he realised that this is where his character was going. He didn't say when he realise though, but I'm guessing The Last Olympian, because there are a lot of clues in that book about Nico's feelings.
Rick said that he never planned it and that it came to him in The Last Olympian, I think.
Ariel wrote: "Yeah... I can see your problem. He's probably introducing this concept to a lot of little kids right now."I don't see why it really matters if kids know about what being gay is. I mean, in my opinion, being or seeing someone who is gay shouldn't be any different than if you were straight or if you saw a gay person. Kids should get used to this concept now because that way when they grow up they won't be homophobic or whatever.
Cyndi wrote: "Ariel wrote: "Yeah... I can see your problem. He's probably introducing this concept to a lot of little kids right now."I don't see why it really matters if kids know about what being gay is. I m..."
But some parents want their children to grow up to be homophobic. It's sad but true.
I agree with you guys. Why does it matter if Nico is gay or bi or pan or whatever the heck he is? Who cares? He's still the same person he was before. I even like his character more now. Scratch that, I love his character. All these homophobic people are just haters. And if they're not going to read the BoO then they don't have to, but I'm pretty sure they're going to be tempted once they see the cover. I bet you they still want to know how everything ends. Btw, I just wanna say that I like how MOST of the people here are taking this well. I thought there would be a lot of haters but I guess I'm wrong. I'm glad about that :)
Amelia wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."I honestly disagree with you. kids of all ages will all evantully start to have feelings and emotions and they don't know what to do. It's important to educate children and let them know its ok to have crushes, and it's ok to have feelings for someone. I advise you to tell your sister because kids are never too young to understand. When I first read the part where Nico confesses to Jason, I was very surprised but it's perfectly understandable.
To all you haters out there, please do not post negative comments about Rick because he's doing a great thing and I completely support him. I hope Nico does find someone one day because after all he's lost, there will eventually be things he'll gain. by the way, I'm tween (11-12 years old) and I understand a lot of things that are wrng with our society, if we try to change them in a positive way like Rick Riordan, that'll be a great start. Thanks to anyone who bothered to read this!
Amelia wrote: "Um... well I wasn't prepared for it. I didn't think he'd put it in because a bunch of younger kids read this. My fifth grade sister just asked, "How can a boy have a crush on a boy?" And I was like..."I honestly disagree with you. kids of all ages will all evantully start to have feelings and emotions and they don't know what to do. It's important to educate children and let them know its ok to have crushes, and it's ok to have feelings for someone. I advise you to tell your sister because kids are never too young to understand. When I first read the part where Nico confesses to Jason, I was very surprised but it's perfectly understandable.
To all you haters out there, please do not post negative comments about Rick because he's doing a great thing and I completely support him. I hope Nico does find someone one day because after all he's lost, there will eventually be things he'll gain. by the way, I'm tween (11-12 years old) and I understand a lot of things that are wrng with our society, if we try to change them in a positive way like Rick Riordan, that'll be a great start. Thanks to anyone who bothered to read this!
Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."Violating? Inappropriate? HORRIFYING?? You're kidding right
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