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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o
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well, this wont be his last series, just his last greek mythos series in the foreseeable future.

At the moment, I think Percy is Nico's motivation to truly help them, that's why. Mostly likely, in the next book, Rick will make some elaborate plot in which it will tie in to the overall story.

Also, in response to what a lot of other commenters have said, just because some children are made aware of these issues long before they have hit puberty and really need to know about them, does that make this early exposure a wise choice for children? (And I do realize that some public-schooled kids in difficult areas are exposed to this really early whether they like it or not - I'm totally not faulting them for that. I'm just asking whether it's a good thing.)
Finally, I want to point something out that I know a lot of you are not going to disagree agree with, but I believe that it really needs to be said. And here, I'm really talking to Christians in general. I'm not trying to hate on anyone who has commented - I firmly believe that God wants us to hate sins, not people. In light of this, think about what C.S. Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity when he said that Jesus was either a madman, a liar, or he was telling the truth. If he totally lied about some things, then why would we have any reason to believe he told the truth at all? And what makes you think you can "reinterpret" the Bible so it says something totally different than what the words would mean in any other context?
With this said, the question remains as to whether Jesus said anything was wrong with gay marriage. If he did, then you are faced with a choice: you either believe He was right about that and everything else or you believe He was wrong about everything. And so, in light of this, I'll leave you with this verse: "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13) Let me know when you come up with an alternate translation for this verse.
P.S. I hope that this does not offend people, but instead makes them think twice about what the Bible really says. I'm not trying to hurt anyone - I just think that Christians really need to read this verse before they say God is OK with gay marriage.

ok, just saying, i am not christian or anything like that, so this isn't really my kind of debate, but going back to the nico/percy topic, it dosn't say he want's to bang him, he's like 14 for goodness sake. he has a crush on percy, and if nico were to have been a female character, that would have been seen as acceptable. diffrent people have diffrent beliefs, and im cool with that. im just pointing out that most 14 ish year old kids have crushes on other kids, and some of them are bound to be gay.

WAIT!!! HOLD ON!!! Dumbledore is also gay? How did I miss that when reading the books?

They sorta gave hints about it a bit, but J.K Rowling stated it in an interview after she finished the last book, when the interviewer asked why Dumbledore never had a partner or anything :)

oh. that makes so much more sense. i just thought he was a weird, eccentric old guy who was a bit like yoda. except you know, not green

AHAHAHAHAHAHA basically :D

That's what I've been trying to say; adults can say whatever they want to their children INCLUDING their beliefs- I never said they couldn't or shouldn't. However, some adults are so overbearing on their children that they leave no choice for arguments (not all, only some). If a parent against gay rights is totally fine with their kids for not being against it, then that's fine, although it would no doubt cause..problems between them. However, if an adult parent tries to force their beliefs on their children and offer no other options or information about said topic except what they believe in (which is the most common thing these days), then that is another way of misinforming their kid- leading them to believe that their belief is the only way to live without telling them anything else. So sometimes, their "informing" also leads them to ignorance. I'm not saying kids should decide everything they want by themselves - obviously that would not work. But in these wider, almost-philosophical issues based almost purely on opinion, this is one belief that parents should not try to force on their kids. It's the equivalent of oppressive parenthood (this is to the parents that think it in their best interests to allow their children no personal freedom of thought. Keep in mind that this DOESN'T apply to ALL parents and children, I am not criticizing parents as a whole, just the few with the inflexible mindsets.) And keep in mind, that this is my opinion, I am not stating this as fact or trying to force what I think on other people (: just trying to explain how I think.
As I am not Christian, I don't really have anything to say about that verse. (I have a lot of Christian friends who fully support gay marriage, so obviously not everyone believes it)
But I know enough about the Bible to have my own points on it's inconsistencies.
According to the Bible:
People can't get divorced
A victim should marry their rapists
People who aren't married but are sexually active should be stoned (which is 80% of the teenage population and even adults)
eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, and even getting haircuts is a sin
it was unclean to eat pork because that pigs were low end or dirty.
etc.
obviously most of these aren't in use anymore.
So I do not see why some people choose to overlook these but not the gay rights thing. Clearly, it is not as big of an issue anymore, people get divorced, etc. My friend (who is a VERY devout Christian) says its because that many of these beliefs are outdated. What makes the verse about condemning not-straight people any different? Why is it that those few verses about homosexuality are the only ones being cherry-picked to use? Those "outdated beliefs" are all, even the Leviticus one, in the Old Testament, correct? According to my Christian friend, "in modern day, the New Testament is regarded as the fundamentals beliefs while the Old Testament provides the older, but sometimes outdated life lessons."
And I thought that Jesus paid the punishment for sin, for past and future sins so that man could live freely, that mankind was under the covenant of grace. or something like that.
I'll point you to this article regarding that verse. http://biblethumpingliberal.com/2011/...
I think it explains itself very well.
And I thought that you were supposed to love everyone despite all that? Accept them, etc?
Just my two cents.

Nice point.


I used expect that one day he will confess to Annabeth but GODS AND GODDESSES 0 to Percy? But, it was so cute actually :-)




Ok so I can see where you're coming from. I, as well as you obviously, dont support gay rights (no offense to anyone here) but im still going to keep reading because of the books. Face it, we're in a world where more than half of the world support gay rights and we can't change anyone's point of view. Respect their decision and they'll respect yours.
This part also came as a shock to me cuz I didnt expect it at all and I'll admit I was disappointed, but what can you do? And after reading the comments I can see why Rick put this in.
I didnt notice before but he does put in problems that kids and teens struggle in and one of those problem nowadays is kids struggling with their sexuality. Personally I hate that kids have to struggle with things they dont know how to handle, much like Percy and his friends. But in the end they do prevail, not because their half-god but because they found strength and courage within themselves.
Hopefully I didnt offend anyone cuz I was just simply giving my opinion and cuz this comment was rude. We're all supposed to treat each other with respect, not hatred

That would be amazing, i'd read it.

Agreed

I will be so mad if Nico dies, so, so, so mad.

I really don't want to get into a big biblical debate here - mostly because I don't feel it's really the place for it - but the problem with your statement, Joy, is that the quote you used from the bible was not something Jesus said. I will admit I am not wholly familiar with the context of Leviticus, and I don't have a bible with me so I can't look it up. But not everything in the bible can be taken literally, and you also have to consider the context, just like you would any other piece of literature. The bible may be divinely inspired, but it is still literature.
The Church (I'm Catholic, fyi) may believe that gay marriage is wrong, but nowhere did Jesus say that there is anything inherently wrong with gay people. They were born that way, and God made them, so how could there be anything inherently wrong with them?
I respect your opinion, but I guess I just really have a problem with all-or-nothing statements about religion. I've had both other Christians and atheists ask me why I'm still Catholic if I don't agree with the Church about gay marriage, but I think it's ridiculous for me to stop being Catholic just because I don't (currently) agree with everything the Church says. In the end, my faith comes down to loving and caring for others, as Jesus did, and, most imortantly, my believe in the Eucharist - that the bread and wine we partake in mass becomes Jesus Christ. If I believe in that, why would I give up my faith entirely just because I disagree with the Church on something else? Especially when I could change my mind, or, more importantly, the Church could change its mind (as it has in the past).

That being said, I think adults don't realize the world their kids are living in. Believe it or not, kids are capable of recognizing their sexuality at an early age. That does not mean they understand it or act on it. Mostly they are confused, insecure, and feel like outcasts. Hn, sound familiar?


"Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."
Morganofthesea replied: "GROW UP."
That is exactly the problem; There is a reason why this is a heated topic in society, because people in both sides of the argument have gone through a lot of suffering. Many say that these books relate to many of the readers. Well, many readers have been caught in both sides of the argument in real life, which is the reason why it is very dangerous ground to bring it up in books that are read from ages 8 and up. A lot of people have grown up with the books, and understand the topic. But there are also a lot of young kids who are reading them.
Sumit wrote: "Wait what page says that nico is gay?"
Page 292
Page 292

It is implied that he is gay or along those lines.

"Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. Th..."
Yes, and those young kids are going to be confronted with this topic at some point. In today's world, realistically, it'll be sooner rather than later, for a lot of those kids. Some kids who have suffered bullying and other things from being gay are actually very young - yes, in some cases, elementary school age. So I don't see the problem.
I might point out that this is a little similar to what happened when Harry Potter was written, though JKR didn't ever broach such a controversial topic. But, as Harry et al got older, the books got darker and more mature, and people got upset about it because the books were supposed to be "for kids." Likewise, Rick's books are marketed towards kids, but Percy et al are 15, 16, so it makes sense they would be dealing with these issues. Honestly, I consider the Heroes of Olympus series to be a little more advanced (in content) than the Percy Jackson series.

"Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports ga..."
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with Riordan writing about this. I'm just explaining why people might both react positively or negatively about it.

"Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports ga..."
I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with Riordan writing about this. I'm just explaining why people might both react positively or negatively about it.

At first I didn't think he was actually gay, it was just that Percy left that sort of great impression on him. He was a hero straight from Nico's imagination, and he genuinely cared about Nico. It may have been his feelings toward Percy at that time that made him so confused. People can have moments like that, when they start to wonder about themselves when they really start to feel for the people around them. But later he talked about Bianca being the only one to accept him for who he was. They didn't know they were children of Hades back then and they were locked in the Lotus Hotel for a long while, so there's not much else Nico could be referring to there. I think Jason kind of takes it farther when he presses Nico to accept who he is, and just right off the bat assumes he's gay. That wasn't exactly a good assumption to make, since emotions are a complicated thing, and Jason may have pushed Nico further. But I think Nico knows or secretly suspects this about himself anyway because of the way he talks about himself at Notus' palace. He says he's already a child of Hades, to reveal this about himself would make it even worse for him. Jason and Piper did redeem themselves for me in this book, they moved higher on my fav character list. But Nico will always be at the top for me!
It was really bold of RR to even touch on something like this, and I admire him for it! I always believe you should write what you want to, and this was an amazing twist that left me speechless for a little while! There will be opposers, I know a few myself who may be against this, but I don't think it's worth boycotting the series for. All of us here thought RR was an amazing author, and we still do! We shouldn't let one plot twist change our whole outlook, and did you read his dedication to us at the beginning? He obviously really appreciates us, and I don't think we should turn on him because he's writing what he wants to. Honestly, this makes me love Nico's character even more! He's even more human than the rest of them!
Sorry about the long post. One more thing to say. We all have our opinions, and so far I've mostly read supportive comments, which is great on our part! For those of us who have something else to say, say it! We are all entitled to our own opinions! We shouldn't gang up and yell at people who don't share the same views we do. It's just a comments post! We were asked to share and we did. We weren't asked to criticize. That being said, I love that RR did this, especially with Nico, as it fits his personality well, and I support Nico 100% ! Can't wait for Blood of Olympus!

This is now my favorite comment. :) Thanks Amanda! I totally agree. Rick Riordan wrote his books for kids who may not fit into 'normal' society. He made them feel accepted, made them feel like heroes. He told them that just becuase they maybe didn't feel like they belong, it doesn't mean they aren't special. Now he's doing the same for another group of fans somewhere in the world, to motivate them and make sure they know people out there just like them are doing great things. That being said, I don't think Nico's entirely gay, but he's just having doubts about himself, struggling to find who he really is, which is something even more kids, not just homosexual kids, can relate to. That feeling of being lost, not knowing your worth, not knowing who you really are, whether gay or straight, is pretty much universal.

I love how hes not a 'stereotypical gay' and is more dark instead of 'fabulous.'
Im glad RR supports gays as well but sometimes i wonder what made him want to make him gay?
Also.. who is he going to be paired with?

Ever since TLO, I believed that Nico hero-worships Percy. He hero-worships him, but at the same time, a small part of him still blames Percy for killing Bianca. That's what I've always believed.
I believed Nico hated himself for betraying his hero, for letting him down. That much I felt in book five.
That's why when Nico did what he did in SoN and MoA, I wasn't actually surprised. I thought he wanted to prove himself to Percy, wanted to prove that he was still on Percy's side, that he was an ally. I thought he wanted to make up for his betrayal.
But no, Nico loves Percy.
I was surprised, but, what the heck. Love isn't that far from hero-worship. And Nico, well, his hero-worshipping somehow turned to love.
I don't actually believed that Rick did this because he 'joined the bandwagon.' He knew a lot of people wouldn't like it, that it would cause a stir. Look at you guys, squabbling over it. But, what the heck. He still placed that in there despite the risk. Why? Because that's what Nico is and it's an authors job to make sure his characters are 100% genuine. He did it without caring what people says. And for that, my respect for him grew.
Did I like it?
I can't say. On one hand, my fangirl-heart-that-likes-yaoi is screaming with joy... On the other hand, my I-lurve-Nico-and-I-swear-I'm-gonna-marry-him-one-day-heart is torn to pieces. It's a mess. XD
And has anyone seen the dedication page? I swear I wanted to throttle Rick when I saw that. Yes, it hurts, darn it, do you really have to rub it it?
So yeah, that's my take on it.

Ever since TLO, I believed that Nico hero-worships Percy. He hero-worshi..."
Yes, I saw the dedication page... we know he loves his fans XD. He especially loves messing with us. HoH, while the ending was heartbreaking in a good way (Bob! :'( I cried) the whole story was full of plot twists and cliffhangers...


I know, my thought exactly. I was trying to pinpoint, where Nico fell in love with Annabeth. It can't be book 3, or 4. I thought it was in book 5, seems unlikely but that was the most likely book.
Then this happened. Oh, no, Annie. He doesn't like you. He's frigging jealous of you.
*sighs* So, no more Thalico and RachelxNico? And why is it all his pairings are people he couldn't have? Are we fans so cruel to Nico? XD

I also don't think that Rick riordan should've done this because there are a lot of people who are just anti gay people so they won't want to read the last book, which is a shame but its kind if true. Also a lot of younger kids read these books and don't know what being gay is. I never expected this but all the nico scenes were probably some of my favorites from the whole book.

I agree with Uncle Rick's way to introduces issues like this slowly to the young. What I saw and read from this book is that Uncle Rick did not force to his readers that homosexuality is right, but homosexuality exists. Through Cupid, Uncle Rick tried to convey that running from this does not resolve the problem, and when you admitted and deal with it, you can see this matter with little different view, then maybe slowly you'll understand and like yourself a little bit better. Then through Jason, he (Jason) tried to say that when he (Nico) admitted he was a gay, it is really brave of him and it did not turn him into a monster. Nico is still Nico. I hope when other gay children read this, it'll make them feel better, that it's not only them, and has book character that can related to themselves.
I think that by introducing these issues early to young people is not going to make them understand it instantly, but at least they will know and aware of this issues, and would not directly judge gay people as abnormal, abomination, monster, etc. Because once again I emphasize, gay people are human. Different from straight people, yes, but still human being.
For those who judge that this issue is still too early for kids, let me share my story. My parents are one you'll categorize as a good parents. They forbid me reading the romance book/novel with sex/vulgar/graphic scenes until I was 17 years old. They controlled the websites that I can access on the internet. And they did not allow me to watch films for adults. I understand and respect them. But when I was 5 years old, my cousin molested me and I just thought it was a new game. It continued until I was 10 years old, and then my cousin died from lung disease. When I was 12 years old and in junior high school, I realized and understood that my cousin was a pedophile, what we were doing was incest and a "game" that we used to play was sex. Honestly, at that time I became disgusted with myself. What could I do? I couldn't slap, kick, or yell at him because he was already dead. I did not have someone to blame other than myself.
Then at 17, my mother gave me a sex talk. I could only nod my head and said yes. I understand perfectly well why my mother wait until I was 17 to discuss this matter. But at that time I STILL thought, "why do you tell me this now? why not years ago before that happened?". That incident left deep scar to me and that's because I didn't know a thing about it. I still think some guys are hot. But until now I still wary of guys and don't want to be in any relationship with one of them. I intend to keep my single status forever.
So was my parents wrong? No, they did things that they think is right. And is Uncle Rick wrong for introducing controversial issues to young people? No, to me, Uncle Rick is also not wrong.
Sorry for the long rants. I hope I don't offend people.
Still Uncle Rick is cruel. Did he must give me (and other fans) a double heartbreak? Nico, my-long-time-book-crush and Leo The Awesome. But I like the thought of Leo and Calypso's Auto-Repair Shop, so I join Caleo ship. I hope it sails to happy ending :D

AMEN!!!!!



Well that's your loss. These books are great. Just because one character is gay doesn't mean that they aren't worth reading. It's not like homosexuals aren't people. Please stop spewing negative comments.

There's always been a Perico. Us fangirls are like that it's hilarious. XD
But the fact that Percabeth will never break up? That's true and sad. I have nothing against Nico being gay, but why a guy he can never have? You are way too cruel Rick!

since Rick has never introduced any "sexuality" in any of his books, i do not find this offensive... it's simply a light note linking nico to another greek legend....grow up everyone... get over it.... i'm just glad this wasn't another cliff hanger.... :)

Ok, so I really loved nico's confession. Mostly because, well, I GREW UP with these characters. I've seen them get stronger emotionally and physically and... I don't know. It just meant so much more to me then, say, finding out Alec was gay in the city of bones. I didn't really care about his character at that point, so there was no emotional resonance. But I think this is a good decision because RR can teach kids that, well... these people exist. They aren't different in attitude then us, and if your friend is one, they shouldn't be shamed. I just think it would be a good thing to teach the target audience (8-11 year olds).
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