The House of Hades (The Heroes of Olympus, #4) The House of Hades discussion


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NICO… YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT O.o

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☽Ƹɱɱɑ☾ Sheechiibii wrote: "There's nothing inappropriate about a gay 14 year old boy. Some people are gay. It's a fact of life. It definitely suits Rick's style. He's always tried to show children that they're accepted no ma..."

Amen!


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If you guys are looking for the original version for that interview its here.
http://rickriordan.com/about-rick/faq...
Its in the question: Q. How did you decide on Nico's character development in House of Hades? (SPOILER)


Emandem Sam wrote: "Marina wrote: "I was really suprised.... but I was more disapointed because I had this giant book character crush on him..."

for some reason in books, all the guys that i get book crushes on tur..."


I have the exact same problem. Although I love the fact that RR is being so proactive about teaching kids gay rights and stuff I did have a huge fangirl crush on Nico.


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Chayse just- feeling the nico love.


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Laurel Ariel wrote: "OH MY GODS LOOK WHAT I FOUND OH MY GODS I LOVE RICK SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for posting this! I've already viewed Rick Riordan as one of the best children/young adult authors ever, but this just reaffirms it.



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Chayse OH MY GODS FOUND ANOTHER HINT LABRINTH THIS TIME


Nico walked for another fifty yards before answering. “It hasn’t been easy, you know. Having only the dead for company. Knowing that I’ll never be accepted by the living. Only the dead respect me, and they only do that out of fear.”

“You could be accepted,” I said. “You could have friends at camp.”

He stared at me. “Do you really believe that, Percy?”


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Sarah Cecerose wrote: "Joy wrote: "I agree with Aurora that the House of Hades has done an excellent job of showing us one thing - that when the parents aren't around, the kids' lives are very difficult. There is nothing..."

Cecerose, that was beautiful. I honestly couldn't have said it better myself.
To me, this actually explains so much about Nico. I totally didn't see it coming, but when it was revealed, I looked back and saw hints and clues of it everywhere. It makes sense. It explains a lot of his behavior and why he's always distancing himself, why he thinks he'll never belong anywhere, why he feels even more isolated and different from everyone else.

I thought the way Rick revealed it was also so beautifully written. You thought you knew what was going on, but then he breaks it to you in a way that's not confusing, a double blow, first that he's gay, second that he loves Percy. I personally figured it out when Jason remembered Favonius asking him, Are you shocked?, and I literally clapped my hand over my mouth and gasped, lol. I have never done that. I never had any particular feelings towards Jason, but in this book he seemed to gain more character and personality, and they way he handled this reveal was just amazing. I love him for it.
Everything Cupid said about love, and the way Rick portrayed Cupid, was actually very (surprisingly) deep and mercilessly honest. I loved that whole chapter.

But it's also tragic and heartbreaking and I just want to cry because we know Percy and Annabeth are so in love. I just really hope this isn't setting Nico up to die in the next book. I don't want him to become just another gay character who dies :(


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Aditya Raj Bhatt Avalon wrote: "If you guys are looking for the original version for that interview its here.
http://rickriordan.com/about-rick/faq...
Its in the question: Q. How did you decide on Nico's character development ..."


Thank you. I looked over the faq but somehow missed it. And Avalon, thank you for that perspective. I never thought that he may not be a full on gay (or even straight) but only be attracted to Percy with no other implications on his future sexuality. Of course, there is _nothing wrong_ with him being gay, it is just that I had not thought of this viewpoint.

Also guys, GOOGLE KINSEY SCALE. It is quite interesting. And I would like to mention this fanfiction on Nico's new revelation in HoH - http://archiveofourown.org/works/1001...

Read the story in full view form and not chapter by chapter. That simplifies the whole stupid chapter-organization and you can see all the comments in one place too. Do not forget to thank the author if you like the story. It has some mindblowing poems.


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Caleb Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and horrifying."

Uh . . . I don't think he's supporting it cause Nico's always been an outcast and making him gay is almost saying . . . gays are outcasts. Not saying I, ya know, agree with that or anything, just . . .


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Caleb Evan wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."

I really don't think Riordan said anything about himself supporting gays in any way, but Nico was always an outcast in the books and making him gay might imply that he thinks that gays are outcasts. And I'm not saying I agree with this or anything, but A. Don't hate gays. It's not their fault, and B. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


Sheechiibii Caleb wrote: "Jasmine wrote: "Not reading the last book because of Nico's little "episode". This is inappropriate, and I will have nothing to do with an author who supports gay rights. This is violating, and hor..."

Because there's still so much hatred in society (like the example you just replied to) the sad thing is most, if not all, gay children are outcasts.


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Wesley Wallace When I read the next book, ironically, all I'm going to be waiting for is the conversation that is going to take place between Percy and Nico. Also, I thought it was just a guy crush, like admiration, until I realized how uncomfortable Nico still feels around Percy. Now the story is just sad, because before I thought Percy is my favorite hero, and now I think he is kind of a jerk.


Sheechiibii I don't think Percy means to be a jerk. Just...he has a lot going on in his life and tends to forget about people an awful lot (Nico, Calypso, Bob etc).


message 215: by Wesley (last edited Oct 20, 2013 04:08PM) (new)

Wesley Wallace I know Sheechiibii. I just finished the book about an hour ago. I guess I have to give Percy some slack. When I was reading the part about Leo and Calypso, I realized that the previous heroes couldn't go back if they wanted to....only Leo could pull something like that off.


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Julia I don't think Percy's a jerk. He can't help it that he's not gay, just like Nico can't help it that he is.

And Percy has tried so many times to reach out to Nico and be a good friend. Nico always pushed him away.

Percy always tries to do right by people, but he's touched a lot of people in a short period of time. He can't follow up with all of them. The fact that he is able to feel guilt and hold himself accountable for the people he's neglected is further evidence that he is not a jerk.


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Kaleb Miller I WILL not read the next book because of Nico, being gay is completely against the bible. I will not support these books anymore because of this. he is not doing the world a favor by doing this, RR is encouraging gay children by saying that there Is nothing wrong there but there is. I might as well burn my Percy Jackson books.


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Parker Kaleb wrote: "I WILL not read the next book because of Nico, being gay is completely against the bible. I will not support these books anymore because of this. he is not doing the world a favor by doing this, RR..."

Most christians like you won't even read the PJ books in the first place. Opinions are like belly buttons- everyone has one, but if it's nasty, no one needs or wants to see it. Most people don't even want to see it if it's a normal belly button...


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Kaleb Miller i just wont support it srry if it came out wrong


message 220: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller my dad is really a pastor


message 221: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller look up 1 Corinthians 6 9-10


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "I WILL not read the next book because of Nico, being gay is completely against the bible. I will not support these books anymore because of this. he is not doing the world a favor by doing this, RR..."

Um. No. Question: Have you read the past books? Aw wait looks like you have. Now take your hippocratic attitude and just stop. I AM A CHRISTIAN. I actually READ the entire bible. And in the percy jackson series there are gods. plural. and there is also killing.

Now what is worse in the bible. Worshiping more than one god and killing or being gay?

Yeah makes you think right?

On top of it all you have this outrageous opinion and you havent even read the book. (btw this is half a chapter. there is a abnormally large amount of chapters in this book so as you can see this topic doesnt even cover that much room)

Third of all. its not completely against the bible. My preacher once said "god didnt write the bible, so while we should follow it as a guideline, strict adherence might lead readers to miss the point. You should love god, and god loves you. God loves us all".

ALL. Including children gay or strait. so please before you look at this comment and blow it off because it disagrees with your point of view at least THINK about my points.


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "look up 1 Corinthians 6 9-10"

I know Corinthians 6 9-10. And it applies to men who actively participate in sex.

new point- nico's gay but it doesnt mean he wants to screw all the guys?! HES 14.

Honestly I belive it is ok to be gay. Im talking about people who are born gay (like nico is in the book). The dont WANT it. they dont CHOOSE it. they cant HELP it. and to ostracize such a person is cruel and simply not what Christianity and god is all about.


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Kaleb Miller kk gtg


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "i just wont support it srry if it came out wrong"

same on my side. Sorry im so passionete about people being anti-nico. Im fine if you dont like him, im fine if you feel uncomfortable reading the books, I just wasnt fine with the fact you completly went anti rick and anti pj books on us

one of my good friends is a total christian. and she has been just mentally beating herself up to the point of tear because shes gay and she doesnt want to be because she "knows its wrong". its not something you just can or can not be though. and the other day she started to talk to her mom about it. her mother walked out on her (this week this happened). My friend currently is living by herself with her dad who doesnt want her- so she has no idea where to live.

its THIS kinda thing that leads me to be sensitive to most Christians STRICT-ADHERENCE to that Corinthians verse.


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Julia Kaleb wrote: "I WILL not read the next book because of Nico, being gay is completely against the bible. I will not support these books anymore because of this. he is not doing the world a favor by doing this, RR..."

That's your right. Doesn't effect anybody but you. But don't pretend you're not dying to find out how they defeat Gaea.


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Kaleb Miller Chayse im srry but if you say your a christian and say you support gay rights then your not saved cause the bible strictly says homosexuality is wrong.barry if i step on toes


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Kaleb Miller And Julia ik im dying i find out if they defeat Gaea. But I love The Lord more than some stupid books


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Julia Chayse wrote: "Kaleb wrote: "i just wont support it srry if it came out wrong"

same on my side. Sorry im so passionete about people being anti-nico. Im fine if you dont like him, im fine if you feel uncomfortabl..."


Chayse, how old is your friend? I've heard that what you describe is quite common. That there are actually a lot of homeless teenagers that have been kicked out of their homes for being gay. It's common enough that there are organizations that help gay teenagers through these situations. She should do some research, and talk to a councilor for help finding the right resources. I hope she can find a better home life. Nobody should have to live with a parent that does not love them unconditionally.


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Kaleb Miller Your pastor said god didn't write the bible!!!!!! Dude what domination are you?????


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "Chayse im srry but if you say your a christian and say you support gay rights then your not saved cause the bible strictly says homosexuality is wrong.barry if i step on toes"

Kaleb im srry but im not gay so that one line doesnt apply to me. *still saveeedddd* *still supporrt ittt*

and listen. in the SAME statement it says "neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers" will also go to heaven

Kaleb honestly only 5 words in the entire bible refer to gayness. 5


message 232: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller It might only say 5 but its still in there. Plus i didn't call you gay. You obviously support gay rights by how you talk.


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "Your pastor said god didn't write the bible!!!!!! Dude what domination are you?????"
greek orthadox.

and honestly what denomination says that god wrote the bible. His followers and belivers did....


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Chayse Julia wrote: "Chayse wrote: "Kaleb wrote: "i just wont support it srry if it came out wrong"

same on my side. Sorry im so passionete about people being anti-nico. Im fine if you dont like him, im fine if you fe..."


thank you for being nice- (honestly i am too and im sorry were discussing not fighting right? thats how im viewing it anyways moving on)

anyways that wasnt the point. the point was look at my friend. she obviously doesnt want that. so being gay just cant be one of those sins like killing or theivery in which you choose right from wrong


message 235: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller Yes humans wrote the words but its god breathed


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "It might only say 5 but its still in there. Plus i didn't call you gay. You obviously support gay rights by how you talk."
sorry i was a bit rude in the whole *still saaveed* thing. i ment that those 5 lines dont apply to people who support gayness, only those who activially participate in men/men sex. (it doesnt even apply to women. technically it doesnt even apply to gayness just sex)


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Julia Kaleb wrote: "And Julia ik im dying i find out if they defeat Gaea. But I love The Lord more than some stupid books"

You know, I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure the bible talks about forgiveness quite a bit too. So you love the lord enough to hate someone for their sins, but not enough to forgive someone's sins? What does the bible say you're supposed to do about others' sins anyway? If you think you're not supposed to be gay, than don't. But what are you supposed to do about others? I'm inclined to think that Jesus said to forgive them.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. It's just a book. You can refuse to read on. You're only denying yourself; not saving anybody, not changing anything, not effecting anything at all.

If that's how you feel. That's your prerogative.


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Kaleb Miller I don't hate nico and plus he is a fictional character. Plus do u guys know how to delete a group. I joined one group tat keeps spamming me


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "I don't hate nico and plus he is a fictional character. Plus do u guys know how to delete a group. I joined one group tat keeps spamming me"

lol who could hate poor nico!

and no idea are u friends with them? try de-friending them or something im new so idk


message 240: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller Ok, let's all just stop bashing each other about gay and religion. After all we are all pj lovers. My opinion is what I think and so is yours. Lets agree to disagree. K?


message 241: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller Ok, let's just stop bashing each other about our opinions. After all we are all pj fans. Lets agree to disagree. Kk?


message 242: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller Woah srry for the double comment their


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "Ok, let's all just stop bashing each other about gay and religion. After all we are all pj lovers. My opinion is what I think and so is yours. Lets agree to disagree. K?"

*sigh* i want too but kaleb please
A) not hate rick or the series because of ONE plot development
B) burn the books *le cringe*
C) just not read house of hades because of this. Like i said in my defence. I would still be saved (if i ask for forgiveness for my sins and you know your christan yadiyada). Supporting or not supporting isnt against the bible, and reading a book in which a character does something against your religion isnt against the bible too. You could still read the books, just like you did before when things against the bible were gods and killing and what not. (still much worse than being gay in the bible. gayness is compared to having the same wrongness as theivery. killing+gods trumps theivery)


message 244: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller Im not going to say anything to that. Lets just talk as pj lovers. Kay? Oh an btw i joined a stupid group that spams me 25/7 how do I leave that group


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "Woah srry for the double comment their"

In short. I respect your view. Agree to dissagree on that.

again. Please dont hate the series/ not read because of this.

cinderella and other disney movies have magic in it. we have all still watched those. its the same thing with house of hades


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Kaleb Miller Kk. But how do I leave that group?


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Chayse Kaleb wrote: "Kk. But how do I leave that group?"

er.... no idea.... theres not a button???


message 248: by Chayse (new) - rated it 5 stars

Chayse oh you could block them kaleb!


message 249: by Kaleb (new)

Kaleb Miller No im doing this trough my ipod


message 250: by Jeana (last edited Oct 20, 2013 05:57PM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jeana Marie I also love Nico as a character. He's deep and mysterious/intriguing. I do not support gay rights, but that does not mean I am going to hate on the book or stop reading an excellent series. I believe that his sexuality is a very small part of the plot and I am going to choose to ignore it. But that's just me.


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