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The SFFBC 2020 Hindsight Awards: A RetroSPECtive (Winners announced!)
Excellent! I'm as interested in seeing how the members define 'the best' as I am in what and who wins.

However, why are later books in a series excluded? For example, I'd definitely nominate Cold Days but wouldn't nominate Storm Front as the best genre-bending novel. Wouldn't it make more sense to split categories between Best Series and Best Standalone or just accept all books no matter where in a series they are?
Jannik wrote: "This is a cool event! :)
However, why are later books in a series excluded? Wouldn't it then make more sense to split categories between Best Series and Best Standalone in a genre?"
We went back and forth about this soooo many times. The end result was that we were afraid that allowing any book in a series would make it hard for people to confirm, as many people space out series, or haven't gotten to book 19 yet or only read standalones or various other things that would spread votes out too much, and that by allowing "best author" for the two big genres, it should help to capture folks who are still important and relevant, but whose stories started earlier than 2000. We also felt that "best series" and "best standalone" felt more arbitrary than focusing on what this group is all about: genre fiction in all its forms.
However, why are later books in a series excluded? Wouldn't it then make more sense to split categories between Best Series and Best Standalone in a genre?"
We went back and forth about this soooo many times. The end result was that we were afraid that allowing any book in a series would make it hard for people to confirm, as many people space out series, or haven't gotten to book 19 yet or only read standalones or various other things that would spread votes out too much, and that by allowing "best author" for the two big genres, it should help to capture folks who are still important and relevant, but whose stories started earlier than 2000. We also felt that "best series" and "best standalone" felt more arbitrary than focusing on what this group is all about: genre fiction in all its forms.

Jannik wrote: "Hm, okay. Makes sense. Thanks for the quick answer! It's just unfortunate in my case I guess. I love both the Dresden Files and The Expanse but find the first books in both series are nowhere near ..."
Sounds like Butcher and the collective Corey would be great considerations for you as Best Author, then! Authors who've left an indelible mark on the genre, but whose individual works (which are eligible) might not be what you'd consider the single best book in the genre.
Sounds like Butcher and the collective Corey would be great considerations for you as Best Author, then! Authors who've left an indelible mark on the genre, but whose individual works (which are eligible) might not be what you'd consider the single best book in the genre.

Cheryl wrote: "Ok, I finally caught it. "SPEC" for speculative fiction. Good 'un."
Heehee!
I'm glad you all are on board! Hoping we find some gems ^^
Heehee!
I'm glad you all are on board! Hoping we find some gems ^^

Just read a list of the best sci-fi books of the noughties by Annalee Newitz and... yikes. She includes some fantasy and horror, which doesn't help.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/20-best-scien...
Was worried that I was suffering from recentivism as most of the great sci-fi books of this millennium that come to my mind were published in the latter decade.
Anyway, my quest to do this task justice by nominating works and authors that can hold up to scrutiny has begun.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/20-best-scien...
Was worried that I was suffering from recentivism as most of the great sci-fi books of this millennium that come to my mind were published in the latter decade.
Anyway, my quest to do this task justice by nominating works and authors that can hold up to scrutiny has begun.
Ryan wrote: "Just seen a more appropriate thread to have posted that in *grumble*"
Haha no worries! I figured most folks would post overall questions/comments here and save The Call for things they actually want to have folks consider for the nomination, so all good!
Haha no worries! I figured most folks would post overall questions/comments here and save The Call for things they actually want to have folks consider for the nomination, so all good!

Weigh in please.
A Face Like Glass
Cuckoo Song

Melani wrote: "Can I get a judgement. I'm going through my top rated books, the ones that fit into the time frame, and Frances Hardinge pops up over and over. Her books are complicated and intrica..."
I would say no to Face Like Glass as Pan Macmillan published it with their Children's imprint, but Cuckoo Song is okay? But also if she has books that are definitely not MG/Children's as well, she would qualify as best author, if you thought that her oeuvre overall is worth investigating :)
I would say no to Face Like Glass as Pan Macmillan published it with their Children's imprint, but Cuckoo Song is okay? But also if she has books that are definitely not MG/Children's as well, she would qualify as best author, if you thought that her oeuvre overall is worth investigating :)

Ok, so just based on cover and publishing houses and whatnot...
I would say "Face Like Glass" looks more MG, but "Cuckoo Song" definitely YA.

Excellent thank you. And yes she is. Her books are fantastic, every one has been amazing, but those two have been my favorites.
A reminder! Starting November 1, we'll have nominations for our own awards for: Best Fantasy Book, Best Science Fiction Book, Best Genrebender Book, Best Fantasy Author and Best Science Fiction Author of the 21st Century.
You can nominate up to 3 times for each category, but remember that you can only use an author one time in your slate, and that you must have read the work you're nominating. For example, if Iam Author is your favorite SF author and wrote your favorite SF book, you'd need to pick if you think their oeuvre or that book will be on your slate.
To be eligible the novel must have been first published in the 21st century, or the author must have published at least one genre work in the 21st century
You can change your nominations, just please call out which you're changing and to what so I can try to keep up.
Start thinking about your options, but please don't start sharing them here yet, that will begin Nov 1!
You can nominate up to 3 times for each category, but remember that you can only use an author one time in your slate, and that you must have read the work you're nominating. For example, if Iam Author is your favorite SF author and wrote your favorite SF book, you'd need to pick if you think their oeuvre or that book will be on your slate.
To be eligible the novel must have been first published in the 21st century, or the author must have published at least one genre work in the 21st century
You can change your nominations, just please call out which you're changing and to what so I can try to keep up.
Start thinking about your options, but please don't start sharing them here yet, that will begin Nov 1!
*NOW ACCEPTING NOMINATIONS FOR BEST GENRE BOOKS AND AUTHORS OF THE 21ST CENTURY!*
Please read the prior post first, or the rules in the initial post, to make sure you're taking full advantage!
Please read the prior post first, or the rules in the initial post, to make sure you're taking full advantage!

Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow
The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin
Best Science Fiction Novel
The Calculating Stars by Mary Robinette Kowal
The Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin
The Algebraist by Iain M. Banks
Best Genre Bending Novel
The Yiddish Policemen's Union by Michael Chabon
Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir
Annihilation by Jeff VanderMeer
Best Fantasy Author
Neil Gaiman
Charles Stross
George R.R. Martin
Best Science Fiction Author
Connie Willis
China Miéville
Kim Stanley Robinson

The Raven and the Reindeer by T. Kingfisher
Spinning Silver by Naomi Novik
The Watchmaker of Filigree Street by Natasha Pulley
Best Science Fiction Novel
The Light Brigade by Kameron Hurley
Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie
Warchild by Karin Lowachee
Best Genre Bending Novel
Amberlough by Lara Elena Donnelly
The Girls at the Kingfisher Club by Genevieve Valentine
Farthing by Jo Walton
Best Fantasy Author
Frances Hardinge
N.K. Jemisin
Megan Whalen Turner
Best Science Fiction Author
Ted Chiang
Aliette de Bodard
Yoon Ha Lee

The Name of the Wind
The Warded Man
Red Sister
Best Science Fiction Book
Walkaway
Annihilation
The Martian
Best Genrebender Book
The Last Policeman
Of Blood and Honey
World War Z: An Oral History of the Zombie War
Best Fantasy Author
Joe Abercrombie
George R.R. Martin
Tad Williams
Best Science Fiction Author
Adrian Tchaikovsky
Neal Stephenson
Martha Wells

The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss
The Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison
His Majesty's Dragon by Naomi Novik
Best Science Fiction Novel
Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky
Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee
Semiosis by Sue Burke
Best Genre Bending Novel
The City & the City by China Miéville
Among Others by Jo Walton
The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern
Best Fantasy Author
George R.R. Martin
Jo Walton
Lois McMaster Bujold
Best Science Fiction Author
Ted Chiang
Martha Wells
Kim Stanley Robinson
Best Fantasy Novel:
The Way of Kings
The Mere Wife
Deathless
Best Scifi Novel:
Ninefox Gambit
The Martian
The Marrow Thieves
Best Genrebender:
Too Like the Lightning
Arcadia
Rosewater
Best Fantasy Author:
N.K. Jemisin
Jo Walton
Juliet Marillier
Best Scifi Author:
Ted Chiang
John Scalzi
Becky Chambers
The Way of Kings
The Mere Wife
Deathless
Best Scifi Novel:
Ninefox Gambit
The Martian
The Marrow Thieves
Best Genrebender:
Too Like the Lightning
Arcadia
Rosewater
Best Fantasy Author:
N.K. Jemisin
Jo Walton
Juliet Marillier
Best Scifi Author:
Ted Chiang
John Scalzi
Becky Chambers
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Best Fantasy Novel
The Sword of Kaigen
The Night Circus
The Golem and the Jinni
Best Scifi Novel
The Martian
The Quantum Magician
Children of Time
Best Genrebender
Shadow Over Avalon
Too Like the Lightning
Ninefox Gambit
Best Fantasy Author
Jo Walton
N. K. Jemisin
Nominee tba
Best Scifi Author
Emma Newman
Peter F. Hamilton
Claire North
The Sword of Kaigen
The Night Circus
The Golem and the Jinni
Best Scifi Novel
The Martian
The Quantum Magician
Children of Time
Best Genrebender
Shadow Over Avalon
Too Like the Lightning
Ninefox Gambit
Best Fantasy Author
Jo Walton
N. K. Jemisin
Nominee tba
Best Scifi Author
Emma Newman
Peter F. Hamilton
Claire North

The Way of Kings
Written in Red
Soulless
Best Scifi Novel:
The Knife of Never Letting Go
The Power
The Long Earth
Best Genrebender:
The Queen of the Tearling
The Eyre Affair
Jane, Unlimited
Best Fantasy Author:
N.K. Jemisin
Catherynne M. Valente
V.E. Schwab
Best Scifi Author:
Becky Chambers
Nnedi Okorafor
Rivers Solomon

Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell
Middlegame
Spinning Silver
Best Science Fiction Novel:
Oryx and Crake
The Calculating Stars
The Three-Body Problem
Best Genrebender Novel:
Gideon the Ninth
Annihilation
The City & the City
Best Fantasy Author:
N.K. Jemisin
Neil Gaiman
V.E. Schwab
Best Science Fiction Author:
Martha Wells
Becky Chambers
John Scalzi

Best fantasy novel
The Fifth Season
Ka: Dar Oakley in the Ruin of Ymr
Sins of Empire
Best SF novel
Semiosis
Luna: New Moon
Vagabonds
Best genrebender novel:
The Prey of Gods
The Devourers
All the Birds in the Sky
Best fantasy author:
Robin Hobb
China Miéville
Joe Abercrombie
Best SF author:
James S.A. Corey
Yoon Ha Lee
Annalee Newitz
@Silvana, it's gotta be standalone or first in a series, and the author can only show up 1 time in your slate ;-)

oh! well, I suck at reading rules, I guess ;p Fixing in progress....

I'll leave my preliminary here:
Best Fantasy Novel:
Black Leopard, Red Wolf by Marlon James
The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin
The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson
Best Scifi Novel:
The Martian by Andy Weir
Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell
Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer
Best Genrebender:
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
My Real Children by Jo Walton
The Martian Child: A Novel About a Single Father Adopting a Son by David Gerrold
Best Fantasy Author:
Ursula K. Le Guin
Guy Gavriel Kay
Robin Hobb
Best Scifi Author:
Adrian Tchaikovsky
Kim Stanley Robinson
Ted Chiang
Dang, I have no room for Matt Haig. ETA: thanks for the clarification, Allison! Still, the problem remains ^^' Haig would definitely fit a 'Best Fantasy novel' slot even, if only The Midnight Library had come out a year earlier *ha*
As long as they've published adult lit in the past 20 years, they can count! Just not for best novel, but for best author it's fine :)

Best Fantasy Novel
The Belles
Children of Blood and Bone
Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children
Best Sci-fi Novel
Fledgling
The Power
The Three-Body Problem
Best Genre Bending Novel
Gideon the Ninth
The Impossible Lives of Greta Wells
The Time Traveler's Wife
Best Fantasy Author
Neil Gaiman
Andrzej Sapkowski
Stephen King
Best Sci-fi Author
Nnedi Okorafor
Ursula K. Le Guin
Amy Kathleen Ryan

The Way of Kings
The Mere Wife
The Way of Thorn and Thunder
Best Sci-fi Novel
Pandora's Star
The Three-Body Problem
Elysium
Best Genre Bending Novel
1Q84
The Fifth Season
The Devourers
Best Fantasy Author
Terry Pratchett
Cornelia Funke (don't know if she counts)
Jo Walton
Best Sci-fi Author
Adrian Tchaikovsky
Connie Willis
Emma Newman

CBR, Binti is a novella, so not eligible for the novel category
Gabi, Atlas Alone is the only one in the series that can't be read standalone, so not eligible
I haven't read all lists thoroughly, but those are the ones that immediately stood out to me.

Gabi, Atlas Alone is the only one in the series that can't be read standalone, so not eligi..."
Oh sh***ugar. Okay, I'll delete it.

CBR, Binti is a novella, so not eligible for the novel category
Gabi, Atlas Alone is the only one in the series that can't be read standalone, so not eligi..."
will change it


I'm bummed Tigana misses this by year, as well.
(ETA: whelp... had to edit in Guy Gavriel Kay anyway).
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We are pleased to introduce the selection process for the first ever SciFi and Fantasy Book Club Award!
There are 5 categories:
Best Fantasy Novel
Best Science Fiction Novel
Best Genre Bending Novel
Best Fantasy Author
Best Science Fiction Author
These awards will go to the book or author we think deserves the most praise so far this millennium. The awards will be announced December 31, 2020.
Rules:
1. All books nominated for "best novel" must have been read by the person nominating it.
2. All books for "best novel" must be standalone or the first in a series, and have been first published in its original language between 2000 and 2019.
3. All books nominated for "best novel" must actually be novels, not novellas, collections, graphic novels or novelettes. The book should not be children's or MG grade reading.
4. All authors nominated for best author must have at least one book, novella, graphic novel or collection of short stories first published between 2000 and 2019. The works that form the basis of their nomination must not be children's or MG grade reading.
5. Genres will be determined primarily by the nominator. However, if there is a question, it is likely a "genre bender." Genre bender includes any other books where either the genre isn't readily apparent, or the speculative element is secondary. In the event the genre cannot be agreed upon, moderators will have final say.
6. There will be 3 stages to this: The Call, The Nomination, and The Vote. The initial "Call" will not receive seconds. List every qualified book and author you believe to be worthy of contemplation.
7. The Call will close September 30, 2020
8. Nominations for the short list, (up to three nominations per category per person) will begin November 1, 2020 and end November 20, 2020. The 4 nominees with the most seconds will be selected for the final vote. An author may only be on the short list one time per individual nominee slate. (Ex. You list Iam Author for Best Fantasy. You cannot then use Iam Author in any other category on your slate.)
9. The final vote will begin December 1, 2020 and end December 20, 2020. An author may only appear once on the poll, determined by number of votes in category.
10. The results will be revealed December 31.