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Mar 06, 2021 12:54PM
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Lori S. wrote: "Speaking as one who's always had a hard time following comics, I find the movies enjoyable."The movies do a great job of taking characters with 40 years of history, scrapping the barnacles off and keeping the essential parts.
Travis wrote: "The movies do a great job of taking characters with 40 years of history, scrapping the barnacles off and keeping the essential parts."Agreed.
Travis wrote: "Most of my money goes to back issues, but there's about a dozen titles I still try to follow. Comes and it goes, depending on who's writing and how many event stories the title will get dragged into."The only titles I’m currently still “buying” individual issues of are the Firefly/Serenity comics and Fantastic Four. But I’m so horribly behind on both of those now that it’s safer to say I’ve pretty much given up on individual issues. I used to try and keep it under $50 a week in the comic book store, didn’t happen very often. But now that I’m working at a library, my purchasing habits have changed drastically.
One episode to go and I'm done with my rewatch of UFO.Good , but crazy uneven show.
So much potential, that had barely scratched the surface. Shame it never got the other season.
Solid cast, great design and a ton of great ideas, but it spent so much time trying to figure out what it wanted to be.
Travis wrote: "One episode to go and I'm done with my rewatch of UFO. Good , but crazy uneven show. So much potential, that had barely scratched the surface. Shame it never got the other season. ..."Yep, I’m in agreement. Although ... based on what happened between the first season of Space: 1999 and “Year Two” I’m not sure UFO season 2 would have worked all that well. 🙄
Hard to say.There was talk that the updated sets would have come with a jump in time.
So, UFO: 1999...?
All kinds of possibilities.
I could see Martin Landue and company, as the updated staff of SHADO.
I could also see Ed Bishop and company trying to survive on a runaway moon.
Travis wrote: "... All kinds of possibilities.I could see Martin Landue and company, as the updated staff of SHADO.
I could also see Ed Bishop and company trying to survive on a runaway moon."
NO! Now I can’t get either of these concepts out of me brain!
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... All kinds of possibilities.I could see Martin Landue and company, as the updated staff of SHADO.
I could also see Ed Bishop and company trying to survive on a runaway moon."
NO..."
Bwa-ha-ha, he chuckled, rubbing his hands together evilly...!
Ah...I mean....really? I didn't mean to do that.
Was excited that Peter Capaldi is in the new Suicide Squad movie, but sad that he doesn't get the cool Thinker helmet.Instead they went with the version with Implants.
Bummer.
Speaking of Gerry Anderson: I've been watching his super marionette shows. Even got to watch a couple.She's a big fan of the cheese theme music.
Some thoughts:
Thunderbirds: no shock this is the best known one. Great ships and has the vibe of a hanna-barbera action cartoon.
Stingray: fun. probably the best theme song and that weird romantic triangle.
Fireball XL-5: cheesy sci-fi and my personal fave. It's the earliest one and has a design budget that is half flash gordon and half Hartnell Doctor Who.
Would love see someone get the rights and create either a Anderson cinematic universe or a line of comics.
Anderson news:I finished watching UFO.
Fun, flawed show.
The good parts are very good, the bad parts are still better than Torchwood.
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I finished watching UFO.
Fun, flawed show.
The good parts are very good, the bad parts are still better than Torchwood."
My mantra is that seasons 8 & 9 of X-Files are still better than Torchwood (even series 3, which is the most coherent of the bunch). And the nader of Torchwood was Starz' "season" 4 - awful, awful, awful.
I feel bad knocking Torchwood, I love the cast, but it is one of the worst written shows and after Children of earth, I walked away from it and haven't looked back.It is also the benchmark for government groups that are bad at their jobs.
Silhouette: Decent novel. Felt like an episode.Only faults: The main big bad was annoying and I was distracted becuase Madam Vastra and Co are in this and all I could think was 'Why don't they have their own series?'
Travis wrote: "Was excited that Peter Capaldi is in the new Suicide Squad movie, but sad that he doesn't get the cool Thinker helmet. Instead they went with the version with Implants. Bummer."Oh crap. Now I’ll have to watch the film. 😾
Travis wrote: "... Would love see someone get the rights and create either a Anderson cinematic universe or a line of comics...."Would you settle for Big Finish ...
https://www.bigfinish.com/collections...
Travis wrote: "... The good parts are very good, the bad parts are still better than Torchwood."Nope. Sorry. UFO didn’t have either captain Jack Harkness OR John Barrowman.
Travis wrote: "... Only faults: The main big bad was annoying and I was distracted becuase Madam Vastra and Co are in this and all I could think was 'Why don't they have their own series?'"Again ... Big Finish ...
https://www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/th...
Talk about being bad at your job ...
Torchwood Soho: Parasite by James GossMy rating: 5 of 5 stars
After the events of Torchwood: Goodbye Piccadilly, Norton Folgate thought he was on top of the world. Well, at least on top of Soho. Well, at least on top of Torchwood. Well, at least on top. Alas, that was not the case.
(1) The Man From Room 13 - I adore Norton Folgate, don’t get me wrong, but where’s Andy? I mean he IS on the cover. They have such delicious chemistry. I miss the Andy-Folgate Show. In any case, this was deliciously campy and enormously funny. Off to a 4/5 start.
(2) Meet Mr Lyme - This was wonderful. Great messages about race in the Whoniverse corner of Torchwood. There’s also some truly surprising twists in here that I really wasn’t expecting. I probably should have. But ... you know ... Torchwood ... expect the unexpected and all. And then THE ENDING! That’s it: 5/5!
(3) The Mould - And they’re naked!
LOL
How often is Andy going to end up naked with Norton? Answer? EVERY BLOODY TIME!
LOL
Too funny. This chapter is just hilarious shenanigans! Another 5/5!
(4) The Spread - Okay, a bit of a breather as the pace slows down - but the hilarity continues. The story elements are coming together, maybe, and the story progresses and Folgate really tries to solve some stuff and save some guys. 4/5 - if you’re interested (personally, I’d don’t care anymore, I’m giving this thing 5-stars - this audio-play is just simply brilliant).
(5) The Dead Hand - A bit of back story to flesh things out a bit. Nice stuff. Really well written and the usual excellent soundscape work from Big Finish. 4/5 and now ... sorry about the pun (not really) ... the Big Finish!
(6) The Liberty of Norton Folgate - OMFG! Frelling Brilliant! Norton Folgate and Torchwood Soho FOREVER! 5/5 ... no, actually 10/5! TEN! TEN! TEN! Where’s the next adventure with Folgate and Lyme? Come on ... get with it! More Torchwood: Soho!
NOW!
This whole is a wild ride of campy hilarity that really offsets the rather horrific menace faced by Torchwood Soho. Without the campy antics this would have just dissolved into one endlessly grim sequence after another. The humor and shenanigans keep things lively, fun and enormously entertaining.
View all my reviews
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "Was excited that Peter Capaldi is in the new Suicide Squad movie, but sad that he doesn't get the cool Thinker helmet. Instead they went with the version with Implants. Bummer."Oh ..."
Looks better than the first one, if that's any help.
Not that the bar was set high...
Travis wrote: "Looks better than the first one, if that's any help.Not that the bar was set high..."
Not really. DC & Warner Brothers have completely driven me away from their films with their track record of a continual disregard for anything like quality filmmaking or respect for the source material or their fans. Their last even good film was The Dark Knight, which was actually one of the best films dealing with superheroes ever made. Since then it’s been one disappointment after another, with Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, The Dark Knight Rises, in my opinion, being among the worst films ever made. Even their supposedly “better” films, like Wonder Woman, Aquaman are uninspired and rather mediocre. The one exception, at least for me, has been Shazam. I was quite surprised with how much I enjoyed that one. But every time I’m told something along, “this one is better” or some such, I’m again disappointed.
I liked the first Wonder woman and Aquaman was goofy, but fun.Haven't seen Shazam yet, but yeah, DC's films are a train wreck.
To be honest, I i don't love the Nolan trilogy, which gets me automatically banned from some corners of fandom.
Between the Snyder -verse being so dreary and them trying to create a universe in ten minutes, it's not working and they are now trying to course correct during a pandemic.
My hopes aren't high for the movie, for everything they get right in the trailer, there's a joke that lands like an anvil, but I have a small bit of hope.
Or I'm such a sad, obsessive fan, I know I'll end up watching it, so I'm deluding myself.
six of one...
Travis wrote: "I liked the first Wonder woman and Aquaman was goofy, but fun. ..."That’s what I feel about Shazam. Goofy fun and very entertaining. Wonder Woman and Aquaman both fell apart for me as they just rehashed formulas and narrative elements that worked elsewhere. Sadly, I felt the best thing about Wonder Woman 1984 was the colorful pride poster ad campaign. The film was pretty much a mess. While I am looking forward to Shazam 2, I fear the delays from the pandemic may have killed any chance of “capturing the genii in the bottle” a second time. And I’m not sure what to make of Black Adam, it could be fun, or a complete train wreck.
Having said all that, I feel I do need to backpedal a bit. I did just recently see the Watchmen series recently which continued the story from the graphic novel and it was brilliant. Unlike that horrible mess of a film that was the theatrical adaptation, the TV series captured the core concept and ran with it. But this brings up an issue I have with Watchmen in general. As the characters are adaptations of characters from a rival company of DC that DC had bought out, and until at least recently, the Watchmen reality had absolutely nothing to do with the DC Universe, I’ve always found it difficult to label Watchmen as anything other than an independent comics reality, like Hellboy, Astro City, Vol. 1: Life in the Big City or the Incredibles.
Yeah, Watchmen is kind of a strange beast.DC wants to keep it on its sacred pedestal, but also wants it to be part of its multi-verse.
They can't seem to make up their mind.
I’ve refused to read any of their spin-offs, prequels or sequels. By the way, happy Gerry Anderson Day!
https://www.gerryanderson.co.uk/
Before Watchmen was decent, haven't read anything else.Like most comic fans, I'm fascinated by Watchmen and am intrigued by what else you could do with it, but following Alan Moore is never easy and so many of the writers that want to do more Watchmen are nowhere in Moore's league.
I also hate that DC keeps trying to force the Charlton heroes into the personalities of the Watchmen characters that were based on them.
Awhile back, on a fanfic site, I suggested it would be interesting to reverse engineer the Watchmen and write them just as straightforward super heroes.
Do a sort of flip of what Moore did, and the mob came for me like I had suggested selling drugs to puppies and orphans.
Perversely, it makes me want to try it even more.
Happy Gerry Anderson Day!In my massive Anderson rewatch, I have finished UFO and Stingray.
I'm currently alternating between Fireball XL-5 and Thunderbirds.
Travis wrote: "... interesting to reverse engineer the Watchmen and write them just as straightforward super heroes ..."It does sound like fun. But I can see where they’re coming from. I’d likely enjoy it though.
This is also the problem with how DC keeps handling their characters. They seem insistent on making them into ICONS and then holding them at that status - but now the stories aren’t about people anymore, and I’m bored with them. Yes, they’re iconic. Great. But the characters become soulless and uninteresting. And that’s the core problem with Zack Snyder’s approach to the characters in the films. That and he can’t make a decent film anyway.
I just dug out my box with Thunderbirds, UFO and the Prisoner. So I’ll probably start rewatching those once I finish with Space: 1999 and Farscape.
I also just got my DVD copy of Doctor Who Fury from the Deep animated version. Haven’t watched it yet. Maybe this weekend. Got my second Pfizer vaccination Tuesday evening. Arm is sore and I had trouble staying awake yesterday, left work about 90 minutes early. A little head congestion, otherwise I’m good.
Rick wrote: "I just dug out my box with Thunderbirds, UFO and the Prisoner. So I’ll probably start rewatching those once I finish with Space: 1999 and Farscape."Just started rewatching the Prisoner myself.
Love that show.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... interesting to reverse engineer the Watchmen and write them just as straightforward super heroes ..."It does sound like fun. But I can see where they’re coming from. I’d likely..."
It's a balancing act, as you can't mess an 80 year old character too much, as that messes with merchandizing, plus every writer wants to just come in tell their masterpiece, and move on.
I could care less what deep dive into the philosophical underpinnings you want to do, can you tell a good story that is maybe fun to read?
And stop shaking up the status quo!
Everyone's status quo is so shook, that you can't even tell me what it is!
Just tell a good story and occasionally show me you get/like the character and aren't just using the comic to pitch to hollywood!
Rick wrote: "I also just got my DVD copy of Doctor Who Fury from the Deep animated version. Haven’t watched it yet. Maybe this weekend. Got my second Pfizer vaccination Tuesday evening. Arm is sore and I had ..."
Jealous about fury from the deep.
Due to overspending at an online comic auction and my dishwasher dying, petty cash is going to be thin for the rest of the month, so my plans to pick up a couple more of the troughtons is on hold.
Travis wrote: "... Just tell a good story and occasionally show me you get/like the character and aren't just using the comic to pitch to hollywood!"And there’s the problem. You said it just right.
Travis wrote: "Just started rewatching the Prisoner myself. Love that show."
I picked up the three Prisoner adaptations/continuations from Big Finish and I wanted to go back through the original series one more time before listening to them. And all your talk of UFO got me itching on that one as well.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "Just started rewatching the Prisoner myself. Love that show."
I picked up the three Prisoner adaptations/continuations from Big Finish and I wanted to go back through the original ..."
I'm curious about the BF Prisoner stuff, as it's one of those things I'd love to see more of, but would be so easy to do badly.
I had a couple scribbled ideas for a sci-fi TV fanfic site, that crashed before I ever had a chance to write anything.
The couple comics out there are decent.
In other news: my brother has started a podcast, where he talks about comic book related cartoons and TV shows and I am on his first episode.If you find yourself thinking "Boy, I'd like to hear Travis babble about Superman cartoons for a half hour!" then feel free to check out 'Matt Spectro thru the multiverse'
End of subtle plug, and we now return you to your regular chatting about Doctor Who.
But ... but ... this is the Random Chat thread ...
Rick wrote: "Have you seen this ... The Prisoner Jack Kirby Gil Kane Art Edition"
Yeah. Shame neither Prisoner comic got off the ground, as I'd have bought them.
There are some beautiful artist editions out there and they are all out of my price range.
I only have a couple others: Jack Kirby Kamandi the Last Boy on Earth Artist's Edition & Jack Kirby Kamandi the Last Boy on Earth Artist's Edition, Volume 2. They’re gorgeous. I’m a Kirby addict.
Yeah, it's the Kirby ones that have tempted me.
Just got the Kirby biography at an online auction and it turns out to be the over-sized hardcover.Thing is beautiful and I got it for twenty bucks.
Travis wrote: "Rick wrote: "The one by Mark Evanier? Kirby: King of Comics"Yeah, that's the one."
Yeah, that’s a gorgeous book.
It is a way nicer edition than I expected to get for 20 bucks.I have really lucked out with this auction site and gotten some big piles of comics cheap and some amazing hardcovers.
and the dealer I go through is local, there's no shipping fees.
More money for comics!
Travis wrote: "... More money for comics!”YAY! 😸
All this talk about Kirby and then I found this Jack Kirby: Pencils and Ink, Artisan Edition, No. 1: Demon • Kamandi • OMAC and found a good price. I have no restraint.
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "... More money for comics!”YAY! 😸
All this talk about Kirby and then I found this Jack Kirby: Pencils and Ink, Artisan Edition, No. 1: Demon • Kamandi • OMAC and f..."
Kirby's OMAC is one of my favorite characters.
Would love an artist edition of it.
Very tempting.
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