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Jul 24, 2018 10:13AM

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Way behind on the digests, sorry...
This is my take on Murderbot, too, that it has a case of Hedgehog's Dilemma. It was especially striking at the end of the first story.

(and now I have to suppress the urge to play the game again …)
I guess next I start one of the two group reads for August, cause I'm away from mid August on.

Sword of Destiny is another book of short stories, but after that the books are full novels. The first is Blood of Elves.
Dj wrote: "Allison wrote: "Karin wrote: "Allison wrote: "Just started Graceling in audiobook, which has a surprise full cast! Unfortunately, it's sounding like one of those "notliketheothergirls" (™) types of..."
Don't get me started, DJ! I have a full on rant about this!
Man, everyone's catching up on Murderbot! Maybe I should, too...
It was a fun style, Gabi! I think if I continue I might skip right to Blood of Elves, like Bobby said though, see if that grips me more :)
Don't get me started, DJ! I have a full on rant about this!
Man, everyone's catching up on Murderbot! Maybe I should, too...
It was a fun style, Gabi! I think if I continue I might skip right to Blood of Elves, like Bobby said though, see if that grips me more :)

Nope.
I'm waiting on it...
And this is totally the wrong thread for that post.
LOL..."
Agreed! I would love for that sequel to come out.

@Allison: at first I, too, thought that it wouldn't grip me, cause I usually need a deeper insight into the characters. But the dialogues made so much up for that. Anybody who comes up with
"You didn't understand me" […]
"Because I did nae try"...
has me on their side :D
Gabi wrote: "@Bobby: Thank you very much for the information, I appreciate that.
@Allison: at first I, too, thought that it wouldn't grip me, cause I usually need a deeper insight into the characters. But the ..."
Yes!! And I still laugh at "The princess looks like a striga! She's the most strigish striga I've ever heard of!"
@Allison: at first I, too, thought that it wouldn't grip me, cause I usually need a deeper insight into the characters. But the ..."
Yes!! And I still laugh at "The princess looks like a striga! She's the most strigish striga I've ever heard of!"

I do Customer Service over the phone. I am somewhat used to full on Rants. At least yours would have the virtue of being on a subject that I have some interest in. LOL.
Dj wrote: "Allison wrote: "Dj wrote: "Allison wrote: "Karin wrote: "Allison wrote: "Just started Graceling in audiobook, which has a surprise full cast! Unfortunately, it's sounding like one of those "notlike..."
:O
I did retail for 3 years. That was enough! #respect
:O
I did retail for 3 years. That was enough! #respect

Well at least I am over the phone, so I can make faces without the customer knowing. LOL. Although I have been doing it about 10 years or so now.

I’m currently about 20% through Provenance.
I’ve read 3 out of the 5 other novel nominees:
Six Wakes
New York 2140
The Collapsing Empire
I’ve read book one in 4 of the 6 series nominees:
The Curse of Chalion
The Cloud Roads
A Natural History of Dragons
Discount Armageddon
I’ve read 4 of the 6 novella nominees:
Down Among the Sticks and Bones
All Systems Red
And Then There Were N-One
The Black Tides of Heaven
Beyond that I’ve read 2 of 6 novelettes, all of the short stories, all of the graphic stories, watched all of the films, watched/listened to5 of 6 dramatic short form nominees, listened to all the podcasts and pulled up images from all the artists.
I’m debating whether it’s okay to vote in a category without reading 100% of the nominees, for now I’m thinking I will as I doubt others have read everything, but I’m also filling in the gaps as best I can with a week to go.
Christopher wrote: "I’ve been neglecting our group reads for the last few months in a frantic attempt to read as many Hugo nominees as I can before the July 31st voting deadline.
I’m currently about 20% through [book..."
This sounds like cramming for the world's best test. Impressive reading consumption (and list!) Sad that a list as amazing and diverse as there is this year is suffering for some of the idiocy of the organizers. I hope it gets sorted.
I’m currently about 20% through [book..."
This sounds like cramming for the world's best test. Impressive reading consumption (and list!) Sad that a list as amazing and diverse as there is this year is suffering for some of the idiocy of the organizers. I hope it gets sorted.

Also, I should finally be able to pick up Spinning Silver from the library tonight, so I'll be starting that soon.


What has been going wrong?

What has been going wrong?"
There have been some serious screw ups with programming. Things like Hugo-Nominated persons being denied places on panels because they aren't "famous enough," the appearance of intentionally misgendering a panel moderator (then doubling down on the mistake), kicking panel creators off their own panels, etc...
It's no puppygate, but it's definitely an organizational fiasco.
Chris wrote: "Allison wrote: "Sad that a list as amazing and diverse as there is this year is suffering for some of the idiocy of the organizers."
What has been going wrong?"
Apparently they've been editing profiles to misgender folks and saying that they're afraid to do panels with newer, non-binary or queer author nominees because they're afraid "no one would know who they were." Stuff like that.
https://twitter.com/halleluyang/statu...
What has been going wrong?"
Apparently they've been editing profiles to misgender folks and saying that they're afraid to do panels with newer, non-binary or queer author nominees because they're afraid "no one would know who they were." Stuff like that.
https://twitter.com/halleluyang/statu...

Yeah! They brought in Mary Robinette Kowal, who, coincidentally, is one of the authors on our random sci fi poll next month! Hopefully she'll set up a great team and fix some of the snafus.
(Man, her and an #ownvoices nomination poll. How very prescient of us. Now accepting $20 a consultation to predict future hot topics in literature.)
(Man, her and an #ownvoices nomination poll. How very prescient of us. Now accepting $20 a consultation to predict future hot topics in literature.)

Indeed, I'm so very proud of our crystal ball!
And our upcoming group read is a 2018 World Fantasy finalist.

Benjamin wrote: "Allison, I saw on FB that John Picacio is going to on Mary's programming team. That along with being the Artist Guest of Honor and the Hugo Ceremony MC, John's going to be quite busy!"
Wow, sounds like! I hope he's well rested!
Wow, sounds like! I hope he's well rested!

My review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

I don’t even understand why THE COLLAPSING EMPIRE was nominated. It’s “fine” but not memorable.
SIX WAKES was interesting but ultimately unsatisfying.

My review: https://ww..."
This sounds interesting, indeed. I've put it on my TBR.

Different strokes for different folks - The Collapsing Empire was my favourite book of 2017. I loved it so much.

I can see what you’re saying with TCE, it was probably closer to a 3.5 for me, but I’m interested enough to read the next book in the series, so I rounded up. It was a fun enough read, but did feel maybe a bit too inconsequential.
NY2140 is probably going to get my #1 vote this year barring any last minute reading to change my mind. It presents a plausible vision of what life might look like if global warming continues. Given the real threat climate change presents, I don’t mind bringing more attention to the topic. Having lived a few blocks from the primary setting of the novel made it very real to me, I could picture everything that much better and the asides about the history of the area felt relevant. I’m not sure how much worse this would be for a reader not familiar with the area. That said, I didn’t rate it 5 stars as it has its share of flaws — the plot is thin, mostly just an excuse to explore different parts of the future city and different aspects of society as imagined by the author; the author definitely has political views and to the extent you agree or disagree your mileage may vary; finally, it’s long, probably too long, with perhaps too much detail for topics that piqued the author’s curiousity. Overall though, to me, the pros outweighed the cons. I hope my daughter doesn’t live in a flooded city when she grows up, but if it happens this really got me to thinking about what her life could be like.
I only rated Six Wakes 2 stars. I thought the premise was excellent, but the execution felt very flawed and the tone felt too uneven.
I've finished Machineries of Empire by Yoon Ha Lee. Wowowowow. I want this to be the next Star Wars. And Jedao can play every part. Except for Mikodez and Kujen, who need to be themselves and...okay, okay, Jedao can be Jedao and everyone else can be everyone else, but Jedao should do about 80% of the emoting on screen. That sounds fair. Good compromise.
On to The Changeling and Trail of Lightning!
On to The Changeling and Trail of Lightning!


I am hoping to use it to reinforce the personal changes with eating I need to make.
Good luck Jim and Lowell! Jim, I really must get to that book. Lowell, changes are hard, hopefully JIlette's trademark humor will make it easier to palate (see what I did there??)

His book Presto! How I Made Over 100 Pounds Disappear and Other Magical Tales helped me sort out my eating and in the just-about 2 years since I've read it I've made lasting healthy changes.





Still not sure which book will get my #1 vote however. I don’t think it will be TCE or Six wakes although I enjoyed both I think I want my Hugo winner to be...meatier
Aubrey Stone Sky or Raven Strategem

Six Wakes has been as disappointing to me as to other posters. So close, yet....

Richard wrote: "What a joy it's been to read The Calculating Stars, especially in light of Author Kowal's WorldCon work. I like supporting people with my dollars when they support visibility and re..."
Calculating Stars is on the poll for September!! Talk it up!
I had no interest in Six Wakes, even though I feel like I should tryyyy all the books for club. I did love Collapsing Empire, though. The humor worked really well for me--better than Old Man's War--and I just had fun. It was definitely a summer blockbuster of a movie, rather than Oscar-bait, if I can use the metaphor, but it was really well done. I was impressed with how he wrote the women characters. It was almost like Scalzi understands that women are humans and do things that humans do! I can't believe that's enough to be impressive, but whatever, I'll give out points if it gets fewer characters who "waste bitchy glares" on dudes or have some sort of hypersensitivity in their areolas.
Calculating Stars is on the poll for September!! Talk it up!
I had no interest in Six Wakes, even though I feel like I should tryyyy all the books for club. I did love Collapsing Empire, though. The humor worked really well for me--better than Old Man's War--and I just had fun. It was definitely a summer blockbuster of a movie, rather than Oscar-bait, if I can use the metaphor, but it was really well done. I was impressed with how he wrote the women characters. It was almost like Scalzi understands that women are humans and do things that humans do! I can't believe that's enough to be impressive, but whatever, I'll give out points if it gets fewer characters who "waste bitchy glares" on dudes or have some sort of hypersensitivity in their areolas.


I had no interest in Six Wakes, even though I feel like I should tryyyy all the books for club. I did love Collapsing Empire, though. The humor worked really well for me--better than Old Man's War--and I just had fun. It was definitely a summer blockbuster of a movie, rather than Oscar-bait, if I can use the metaphor, but it was really well done. I was impressed with how he wrote the women characters. It was almost like Scalzi understands that women are humans and do things that humans do! I can't believe that's enough to be impressive, but whatever, I'll give out points if it gets fewer characters who "waste bitchy glares" on dudes or have some sort of hypersensitivity in their areolas."
I shall mosey on over to...wherever it is I need to mosey...and talk up Calculating.
Scalzi has the advantage of writing Collapsing Empire more than ten years after Old Man's War. LOTS has happened in the culture, and particularly the SFnal culture, in those 12-15 years. He moved with it, thank goodness.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I'll take him over Joe Haldeman of The Forever War fame. That book aged very badly, IMO, for its gender relations not least. I was gobsmacked as a young man by its inclusion of women at all, and women who liked sex no less.
But only with men. I mean, one can't just accept all this newfangled choose-your-own-adventure stuff! (The Stonewall Riots had only happened five years prior to the book's first appearance.)

His book Presto! How I Made Over 100 Pounds Disappear and Other Magical Tales hel..."
I’m currently doing a 5-day fast to reset some of my numbers. At day 3.5 it’s actually not too terrible, despite my tweets. Once I got over the hunger pangs of the first 36 hours, my body did exactly what everyone says happened during their fasts and automatically turned off those alarms.

But only with men. I mean, one can't just accept all this newfangled choose-your-own-adventure stuff! (The Stonewall Riots had only happened five years prior to the book's first appearance.) ."
You must be thinking of another book, because The Forever War devotes nearly 1/4 of the book (perhaps more) to the fact that Earth has instituted a “homosexuals only” mandate on the entire planet in order to control overpopulation.
The soldiers under Mandella’s command refer to him as “the old pervert” because of his heterosexual lifestyle, a lifestyle which he can’t practice because literally everyone around him is gay or lesbian. (The appellation is also slightly humorous because even though he’s a few generations older than them in Earth time, he’s actually only a couple years older in subjective time, due to the time dilation of a lightspeed war.) Mandella and the others of his generation are eventually part of an insignificant minority of humans who still do things the old way. They are viewed essentially as cavemen.
All of this was pretty radical when it was released and still gets the book banned by outraged parents.

I think I like “Six Wakes” more than most and I didn’t think it was very good, but I liked the attempt at combining mystery with sci fi.

For myself I started The Changeling for the group reading.

I had no interest in Six Wakes, even though I feel like I should tryyyy all the books for club. I did love Collapsing E..."
It's really nice to see how male authors are coming on in leaps and bounds with their female characters.
These are crime books, not SFF, but I recently read The Power of the Dog (published in 2004) and was dissappointed that in such a vast book with so many characters, there was only one female character and she, whilst starting off well became defined by the various male characters in the story.
The sequel The Cartel, written 10 years later, contained at least 4 fully realised female characters who had their own personalities and motivations and the supporting female characters were also well written.
I think crime writing is similar to SFF in that authors have often used the excuse that the settings they are writing about would not naturally feature many female characters, but I think they are learning that that is not really an excuse and that it doesn't need to be difficult or shoehorned in.
As the wonderful George R.R. Martin said when asked how he manages to write such great and varied female characters.
"You know I've always considered women to be people."
Yes, Jess! I also just finished reading Revenant Gun and loved how transgender, queer, nonbinary and so on folks were just there. They were there, everyone respected them as people, their pronouns served no impediment in their success and the story just continued onward. It was so...refreshing to open a book and be like "oh hey, this one's got people in it, doing people stuff!!" Very much a fan of getting to the end of a book and feeling like I just spent time with my friends instead of like I need to go update my powerpoint on Why This Is Not How This Works.
(I may have a lot of rants lately. Probably I should do something about that.)
(I may have a lot of rants lately. Probably I should do something about that.)
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