The Son of Neptune (The Heroes of Olympus, #2) The Son of Neptune discussion


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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?

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message 901: by [deleted user] (new)

well i mean it is not bad to flirt and she should not let her guard down on her camp. i am going to get RR MoA book signed on Monday! EEEEEE! EXCITED FAN GIRL ALERT! besisdes daria when i am agreeing with you you r against it? im confused. still staying nuetral :P


message 902: by [deleted user] (new)

what will we do when the book comes out? this little blog will be gone. :(


message 903: by [deleted user] (new)

Angel wrote: "what will we do when the book comes out? this little blog will be gone. :("

Why will the blog be gone? There still is a chance for Jayna, I've read MoA and apparently, Venus has been talking to Reyna an awful lot...
Anyways, I don't care about couples as long as Reypiness happens. (Reyna/Happiness) It's my new OTP.


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Jesten wrote: "I think he should choose Piper. It's clear they adore each other and while Jason was away Reyna seemed to be liking Percy an awful lot."

Adore...yeah, obsess over each other.

And as for Reyna liking Percy, perhaps PErcy misinterpreted wrong? This is PERCY, we're talking about, he barely knows anything about girls.
Next, so, let's say that all of the people you loved were in danger, your home was about to be destroyed, and you were all alone as leader. You wouldn't try to tempt someone by faking an interest in them so that your home and loved ones would be saved?
If you wouldn't, it's obvious how much you care about others.


Isabella (All Da Ladies Luv Leo) Thomas Reneered wrote: "Jesten wrote: "I think he should choose Piper. It's clear they adore each other and while Jason was away Reyna seemed to be liking Percy an awful lot."

Adore...yeah, obsess over each other.

And ..."

lol


GreatScottland finally got MoA, don't no if I should be happy or sad.


message 907: by [deleted user] (new)

well I guess it won't be gone because we can still talk about what we think about the book. RR is coming to my hometown on columbus day!! YAY!! Why did ya'll get MoA early????


message 908: by Lalala (new) - rated it 5 stars

Lalala Definately 100% Piper. In the son of Neptune it clearly says reyna and jason were not dating .. just had a spark .. it also doesnt tell us any stories or moments that they had . and jason defs likes piper a hell lot in the lost hero . besides if they are together it would be like the roman and the greek together .. its like different cause all the other relationships are like rman with roman and greek with greek . besides they seem to get along pretty well and i really want reyna to date Leo .


message 909: by [deleted user] (new)

REYNA!! I HATE PIPER"S GUTS


message 910: by Echizen_kirino (last edited Oct 04, 2012 10:22AM) (new)

Echizen_kirino i think the main problem is not the girls here... but the boy
if jason still had doubts of his feelings for reyna
he shouldn't date piper in the first place just to lead her on and then break up with her
that's just wrong and cruel on top of that


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Echizen_kirino wrote: "i think the main problem is not the girls here... but the boy
if jason still had doubts of his feelings for reyna
he shouldn't date piper in the first place just to lead her on and then break up wi..."


I so want to agree with you 100%, esp. after reading DD ( it was the timeline that annoyed me, since it did seem to soon...to me anyway), but the thing is, we don't get his POV. I mean TLH, you couldn't get an idea of his personality, and in MoA, well...(view spoiler)


message 912: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino so... is jason starting to get his feelings back towards reyna and break up with piper in this book?
or does he still like piper?


message 913: by [deleted user] (new)

well...we don't get Jason's POV.(view spoiler)


message 914: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino wow... it's kind of hard to imagine that he already had no feelings towards reyna...

maybe it was just temporary because of his memories not fully recovered?

thank you for answering my question anyway...
even though it makes me even more agitated than before... hehe~


message 915: by [deleted user] (new)

hm...i'm tempted to answer but I guess i'll leave that for u to decide :p


message 916: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino aw... i think i have to read it myself
and be patient for at least a month...
T^T


message 917: by Rhea (new)

Rhea Nightshade I have some things to say.

1. What on the earth is the definition of flirting?

As what's said by most people, Reyna flirted with Percy when she offered him praetorship. As far as I know, it is one way for her to convince Percy to say "yes" just so that Octavian won't be the praetor.

Sometimes, when you have a sense of responsibility, you do everything to make sure that you'd do whatever you have to do.

In Reyna's case, that is to protect New Rome from monsters, enemies and Octavian.

2. People say Reyna and Jason did not date.

They are Romans. They were taught to put duty above everything else. He was a son of Jupiter. She was a daughter of Bellona. That means that their sense of responsibility to their people is much more important than their personal feelings.

Besides, not all relationship is like Jason/Piper. Aphrodite/Venus joined in. She always looks for a good tragedy. She may have masked Reyna's feelings for Jason until Jason disappeared. Then, she returned it just so she can see another person heartbroken for a sake of a tragedy.

Let's not remove the Trojan Battle here.

She can be illogical at times.

3. Aphrodite seemed to be influencing Jason.

That's self-explanatory.

4. As an author who has read countless of books, I find Piper dull but not Mary-Sue.

She has flaws, but they were not given much emphasis on. Instead, she was portrayed to be too overprotective and selfish making some people not like her.

Annabeth is overprotective, but the way she was portrayed was different.

As for Piper, I find her obsession with Jason a bit annoying.

I understand that she was worried with her relationship with Jason, but to the point of wanting to do whatever Reyna does?

For me, it was as if she was wanting Jason to pick her over some of his friends in Camp Jupiter.

It was like "pick me and leave them or stay with them and you won't have me".

That was the impression she left on me.

Over all, her character disappointed me.


message 918: by [deleted user] (new)

@ rhea piper's character development disappointed me as well, but I think in a way, she was better ( well more tolerable, still annoying) in MoA than in TLH. I do think her flaws were shown, but not focused on like: frank's clumsiness, annabeth's pride, percy's need to do everything by himself.

about your point abt her wanting to so everything reyna did, I didn't understand why she did dat first, but then I was wondering if it was because she felt slightly guilty abt the possibilty of her mother interfering?

...just wondering


GreatScottland I really thought that people should have started seeing Pipers flaws.
At least Piper could see them, but know one else could, and that basically encouraged her to stop seeing them as flaws or mistakes. In TLH she felt like Leo and Jason would act mean to her when she told them about how she had been about to betray them, but the encourage her its okay and nothing that they couldn't handle, and after that, she totally forgot she had been about to betray them.


message 920: by [deleted user] (new)

Still staying neutral!


message 921: by Rhea (new)

Rhea Nightshade rawr the dinosaur wrote: "@ rhea piper's character development disappointed me as well, but I think in a way, she was better ( well more tolerable, still annoying) in MoA than in TLH. I do think her flaws were shown, but no..."

@rawr the dinosaur:
That was what I was saying. She had some flaws, but the portrayal of her character was something I didn't like. What happened was her flaws (at least in my point of view) turned her into a jealous girlfriend who is too desperate for her boyfriend to stay.

That is how I see it.

It was not like Annabeth's or Frank's.

It was said that in one part of the book when Jason was apologizing to her, and she said that it's a bit too true, so maybe her mother was influencing it.

She said she doesn't want it too stop.

That was where I got frustrated with her.

She is too clingy with Jason. Not that that is bad. I have no problem with that. It was just that the way she was made into this clingy person who wanted Jason all to herself.

I don't know what you guys thought about. These are just my personal opinion.


message 922: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino well... no one is perfect
so, basically it's good that piper have some flaws isn't it?
why do people always hate her just because she got the guy?
what matters is what jason feels towards her or reyna...
so... even if you talked as long as the sky goes on... it won't affect them (jason, reyna, piper and of course riordan-sensei)
so don't blame the characters, story and the author please


message 923: by Rhea (new)

Rhea Nightshade Echizen_kirino wrote: "well... no one is perfect
so, basically it's good that piper have some flaws isn't it?
why do people always hate her just because she got the guy?
what matters is what jason feels towards her or re..."


I think you got it wrong. I'm not mad at anyone. What I wrote above was merely an analysis. I just pointed out Piper's flaws as a character.

That does not mean I hate her (even though I don't like her, either).

Besides, this is why we have the freedom of speech. We express our feelings. I am expressing my thoughts.

I was disappointed because I feel like Piper had gone to waste - especially with how wasted she was becoming because of Jason.

I love Piper, as long as was portrayed well, and as long as she does not spend her time thinking about Jason who I think has his own set of problems.

And no. I don't blame Rick Riordan.

I do not hate her because she got Jason. There is nothing wrong with that. After all, it was part of Rick Riordan's plot.

It has to be respected.

And of course, it won't affect them. After all, they are not real.

There is no one to blame. I don't blame anyone. It just so happened that I was thinking of several things that could make Piper a better character.


message 924: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino aiya~
then please forgive me for misunderstanding your point of view
*bow


message 925: by Rhea (new)

Rhea Nightshade Echizen_kirino wrote: "aiya~
then please forgive me for misunderstanding your point of view
*bow"


No. It's no problem. =)

I just don't want to offend anyone with those I said. If ever I did, I apologize. =)

I hope we get to see more of Piper and Reyna (and mos especially Jason) as individuals in the next book.

=)))


message 926: by [deleted user] (new)

Me too. We need to have more diversity in these books!


message 927: by Mila (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mila Megan wrote: "Piper all the way he has to pick her!!!!!!!!!!! They're just so cute together and they have been through alot together" I half agree, but although Jason doesn't remember it I'm sure him and Reyna have went through alot togeth too.


message 928: by [deleted user] (new)

Maybe stuff should be told from before Jason's view and after Jason view. Ya know before the memory wipe?


message 929: by Mila (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mila Angel wrote: "Maybe stuff should be told from before Jason's view and after Jason view. Ya know before the memory wipe?"

good idea. For all we know he loved Reyna and just couldn't admit to her because of some rule due to them both being praetors.


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Lalala wrote: "Definately 100% Piper. In the son of Neptune it clearly says reyna and jason were not dating .. just had a spark .. it also doesnt tell us any stories or moments that they had . and jason defs li..."

Exactly why Jasper SHOULDN'T happen. It's all Insta!love with them. Where's their history. Jasper was being shoved down my throat. Unless RR is losing his writing skills, I'm hoping that Venus had something to do with that. Actually, I know that Venus interfered in their relationship. It's stated in MoA.
And ever heard of shallowness? Jasper is shallowness in couple form. All they do is talk about each other's looks. I want to punch em.


message 931: by Dhriti (new) - rated it 5 stars

Dhriti me too. reyna is strong and independant and a heck of a lot better than piper.who should die btw.


message 932: by [deleted user] (new)

yeah I agree w/ Ditri


message 933: by [deleted user] (new)

but Reyna is too good for Jason, hopefully she'll find someone better, someone who appreciates & needs her, Jason chose Piper & thats okay with me, if he wants a whiny bitch for a girlfriend, he's welcome to her...


message 934: by [deleted user] (new)

YEAH!!!! REYPINESS (REYNAXHAPPINESS) SHIPPERS UNITE!!!


message 935: by Kathy (new) - rated it 5 stars

Kathy Piper


message 936: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino hm... but i think jason and reyna is too much alike...
so i think reyna needs someone who is more cheerfull and fun! like leo!
i can imagine if jason choose reyna... their relationship will be too serious since both of them are a leader...
besides even if you say piper is (kind of) annoying, i don't want her to die... (hiks)
dying is bad... no one should die! exept the giants and gaea


message 937: by [deleted user] (new)

Rhea wrote: "Echizen_kirino wrote: "aiya~
then please forgive me for misunderstanding your point of view
*bow"

No. It's no problem. =)

I just don't want to offend anyone with those I said. If ever I did, I ap..."


hm..i particularly want jason's POV...he sort of really annoyed me in MoA... :D


message 938: by Echizen_kirino (new)

Echizen_kirino yes... it will be clearer if we can hear what he thinks in the story


GreatScottland I really hope Venus is influencing him.
It would be interesting though, if Jason was having a fight inside of his head during House of Hades...

and Reenered what exactly is Happiness, is it a happy ending or and actual person?


GreatScottland read a interesting comment on MoA
The person believed that Jason had the Edilon ever sense he had been 'saved from piper' because his eyes glowed right when he was saved, and when piper told them to raise their hands his eyes glowed
I wonder...


message 941: by [deleted user] (new)

GreatScottland wrote: "read a interesting comment on MoA
The person believed that Jason had the Edilon ever sense he had been 'saved from piper' because his eyes glowed right when he was saved, and when piper told them t..."


hm...that is an interesting point...



but...er...i really wish i didn't have the urge to point this out...but piper didn't save him...

sry...just had to say it... 0__0


message 942: by Rhea (new)

Rhea Nightshade I just want everyone to be happyyy..


message 943: by [deleted user] (new)

GreatScottland wrote: "I really hope Venus is influencing him.
It would be interesting though, if Jason was having a fight inside of his head during House of Hades...

and Reenered what exactly is Happiness, is it a happ..."


LOL...I'm already getting a fanfiction idea from your comment.

Annabeth stared at her incredulously. "You fell in love with some dude named Happiness?"

LOL, no, I meant like happiness like, happy ending although I guess the other would work too...XD


cupcakelover27 Emily Danielle wrote: "I like Reyna more than Piper BUT Piper should be the one who would end up with Jason...they were so good together...

I want Reyna to be with Leo...and besides, doesn't Leo like a girl which is ver..."


Never considered that but Leo and Reyna would be awesome.... You sir, or mam are a genius.


message 945: by [deleted user] (new)

omg...... they would be perfect! ohhh snap you are a genius!


message 946: by [deleted user] (new)

HA! I said that last year and no one in school believed me! They're total opposites, they'd balance each other out!


message 947: by [deleted user] (new)

they would. honestly I just feel bad for the two cause they're so single


GreatScottland finished mark of Athena...

Pretty good, but the plot went to fast, the could fight a monster in a few paragraphs and move on, and they never really focused on the main enemy giants that I nearly forgot about them.
Romance took a lot of the book, which could have been used for the fights or dreams.
Leo/Hazel/Frank love triangle
Was pretty good, and I started to support Lazel a little but all of them treated each other surprisingly well, not a whole lot of resentment
Percyabeth
also Pretty good but they never had a single argument at all, when their should have been at least one. But I liked the part when Percy realized he had to let Annabeth go, partly because he knew that annabeth went through the same pain when he was missing. At least he realized it, unlike Jason.
Jasper
I feel like Piper is starting think that her and Jason are the best couple ever, not a good sign, if she feels like Jason and her should be together forever.
charmspeaking more would be okay if she didn't want to in the first place never happened or if she had at least acknowledged that she had decide to change her ways. The nymph calling her selfless, how was she selfless? She did it to survive, not to help the nymphs.
Jason too did play his role in leading, usually by just organizing the quest and not being biased towards piper being his partner. What really annoyed me was that whenever piper was in danger he dropped all work to save her, or only cared about saving her. Really Jason???
I would think it is hopeless if Nemissis hadn't appeared. Appearing to Jason or Piper would be practicably hopeless, so she appeared to Leo, because he's the one who is mistreated by and slightly doesn't agree with Jasper. If he actually studied Jasper with Nemesis warning he could see the faults in it. Echo & Narcissus, basically a very loyal person who fell in love with someone who would never love her... maybe Reyna is Echo and Jason is Narcissus
Just a theory, but has some logic in it.


message 949: by [deleted user] (new)

Nasra wrote: "they would. honestly I just feel bad for the two cause they're so single"

So what? You need a significant other to be happy? I would prefer for them to stay single rather than depend on romance.


message 950: by [deleted user] (new)

Artemis (aka Neesh) wrote: "HA! I said that last year and no one in school believed me! They're total opposites, they'd balance each other out!"

It doesn't really matter if their personalities are completely different. I know a girl and a guy who HATE each other's guts because their personalities are completely different. And trust me, there's no sign of attraction between them.
Really, you can't just say that opposites attract. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. In MoA, it's clear that they harbor no feelings for each other.


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