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Piper or Reyna ? Who should Jason choose?

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message 851: by [deleted user] (new)

You don't like Percy?


message 852: by [deleted user] (last edited Sep 28, 2012 07:01PM) (new)

sign...

yeah...look I don't hv the same opinion of Piper as you do.

And if my parents were kidnapped, I assure you I won't be thinking abt a possible/ misty relationship. Piper, in my opinion thought too much of Jason while her father was kidnapped.

yeah, the popular argument against that is that she was considering betraying him. but seriously, whenever piper thought abt jason in TLH, her thoughts were more on the romantic side ( as in whether they'd be a couple afterwards, or if he had a gf waiting/looking for him), not regretful, as though she was really considering betraying him (and seriously, who thinks of getting involved with the person you might betray?). I assure you, if I was in her position, the possibilty of a romantic relationship would not be on my mind. the possibilty betraying friends would be on my mind, but again no romantic stuff when the end iof the world hangs in balance. oh and also, she never really speared much brain cells for leo, whom she also was asked to betray.


thats just one of the reasons I didn't like piper in THL. its not that I couldn't relate to her, its that she seemed more preoccupied with matters that weren't spotlight important.


presently I don't hate Piper. I am neutral on her. seriously, if RR is going the way I think he is going, then she'd be my favorite character by the end of the series ( even if i dislike her in MOA). but if not, she'd just be a character that I strongly disliked,but who was necessary; kind of like zeus and hera ( for me).

and she was whiny, but i don't want to write an essay so that will have to wait.


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Okay, Clara, Piper was not strong. In fact, she was probably the most selfish character in the entire series.
By now, I think that Drew has more potential than her.
Take that stupid speech at the end for example. She started talking about love, which was good. It went smoothly - UNTIL SHE TALKED ABOUT JASON. Then, she became a complete and utter hypocrite. She gives a whole speech on "being loving" and then she threatens Drew. What the heck was that? And no one calls her out. Because, of course, Perfect Piper can do no harm.

Now, for the Piper and her dad thing. She doesn't understand anything. She thinks she does but she doesn't. First of all, she practically blames everything on her dad.

She just can't understand that her dad is being the most selfless person ever. He's trying to give her a good life. But she rejects it. What, would she rather be poor?
Look, I've been poor before. Now, I'm in the middle-upper class. My parents hardly pay any attention to me. But Piper acts as if she doesn't want to be rich. So, what does she want to be - poor? She does not know the feeling. I do. Her father does. She's just so...naive. And selfish.

And of course, there was the choice between her father and the world. I was excited about this. I was wondering what she was going to choose. And then, guess what? Perfect Piper ends up doing both. In TLT, Percy had to make a choice. In the end, he saved his mother but he still had to make choice. Piper got everything.

How can one character get everything and another character get nothing? Piper has everything. Friends, a perfect boyfriend, a cool power, a decent family. What the heck does Reyna have? She got rejected by everyone. Her sister left her. All she has is her praetor position and even that is threatened by Octavian. But she remains strong.

Piper is so horribly...spoiled. It disgusts me.


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rawr the dinosaur wrote: "Clara wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "ammm...SPOILER ALERT!!! does not stop someone from reading...usually they tend to ignore that...just saying

other than that,..i take it it that i'll move fr..."


Oh yes, here's another thing. She doesn't want people to judge her for being Cherokee. She doesn't want people to judge her for being pretty. Yet she judges pretty much everyone else. She insults the Aphrodite cabin and is horrified to be one of them. She judges Drew. She judges every single pretty person as being brainless and shallow, yet she doesn't want to be judged herself. That's called being a hypocrite. Yet, nobody notices.

Drew...gods, I hope she can expand as a character. The way, at the end, she didn't fight back that much when Piper "de-throned" her leads me to believe that she is NOT a high school queen bee. A high school queen bee would've fought back. Trust me, I've had my experiences with them. But it seems like Drew isn't a typical high school queen bee. Perhaps there was a part of her that knew what she was doing was wrong but she needed power for some reason.
...I dunno. Might be wishful thinking.
I mean, in TLT, Clarisse was a one-dimensional character, much like Drew. But in SoN, she became more real. The same could happen to Drew.


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rawr the dinosaur wrote: "ammm...SPOILER ALERT!!! does not stop someone from reading...usually they tend to ignore that...just saying

other than that,..i take it it that i'll move from my neutral stance on Piper ( as a cha..."


I know. But at least they can't blame me for not giving them a warning.


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Reneered wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "ammm...SPOILER ALERT!!! does not stop someone from reading...usually they tend to ignore that...just saying

other than that,..i take it it that i'll move from my neutral ..."


ahh yes...the perfect line of defense :P

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'mean, in TLT, Clarisse was a one-dimensional character, much like Drew. But in SoN, she became more real. The same could happen to Drew. '

er...i don't remember clarisse in SoN. also,i think if drew's character is to expand, i think it probably more along the lines of her getting more in line with piper when it comes to the true meaning of beauty ( i.e. not a big meanie).


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rawr the dinosaur wrote: "Reneered wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "ammm...SPOILER ALERT!!! does not stop someone from reading...usually they tend to ignore that...just saying

other than that,..i take it it that i'll move..."


Oops I meant SoM. Sorry.


GreatScottland so, just wondering...if everything is ruined or what, is their any hope for Jeyna or should Reyna end up with someone else.


message 859: by [deleted user] (new)

Even if there was hope for Jayna, I wouldn't ship it anyways. Jason is a bastard in MoA. Reyna deserves so much more than him.
(Sorry for my cursing.)


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GreatScottland wrote: "so, just wondering...if everything is ruined or what, is their any hope for Jeyna or should Reyna end up with someone else."

I think you should read MoA yourself and then decide on your own.


GreatScottland too bad it isn't truly out, but I already hate it.
my only wish is that Aphrodite was truly controlling Jason... He would realize is feelings for Piper weren't as strong as they were for Reyna, he'd go back,and BOOM Reyna would teach him lesson, and he would be a loner.


GreatScottland And does, like anyone realize how he treated Reyna.... was like Horrible in the book, and try to tell him that he should have been nicer?


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GreatScottland wrote: "And does, like anyone realize how he treated Reyna.... was like Horrible in the book, and try to tell him that he should have been nicer?"

Oh gods, how I wish that would happen. Annabeth thinks it but she doesn't act on it. (To my knowledge.) I hate Jason and Piper. Screw them both.


GreatScottland but, you would think Percy might realize it too...


message 865: by [deleted user] (new)

reneered, probably a stupid question since there are so many spoilers out, (i'm to lazy to look) but whose POVs are we reading in MOA? is it the 4 greeks : percy, annabeth, leo and piper?


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rawr the dinosaur wrote: "reneered, probably a stupid question since there are so many spoilers out, (i'm to lazy to look) but whose POVs are we reading in MOA? is it the 4 greeks : percy, annabeth, leo and piper?"

Yup, the four Greeks, which, as you can expect, deeply infuriates me. RR makes his fans divide into two in the greeksvsromans.com site and then he is completely biased towards the Greeks. I mean, can we know more about the Romans?
Here's an essay I found online by a Chinese girl. They way she describes China makes me think of Camp Jupiter.

Here it is:

I am a good child, obedient. I grew up in China, a country where education is the center of every child's life and a grade less than 85 percent is considered a failure. Grades mean more to us than a mother's smile, more than the murmur of a wish lingering on birthday candles. I had homework during lunch, math and language classes two times a day. There were punishments for not paying attention. I was beaten with a ruler. I learned to do anything to get a good grade.

I believe in duty, but that belief comes with sacrifice. The achievements I make come with a cost.

I remember first grade, the red scarf flapping in the wind, wanting more than anything to be the first one to wear it, that, the symbol of responsibility, excellence and loyalty. The first thing that flashed to mind when I put it on was how glad my family would be, how proud the motherland would be of the child it had borne and how my accomplishments would look on a college application.

All my pride, love, self-esteem — they merge into duty. There have been times I wanted to throw away everything, but duty and obligation were always there to haunt me and to keep me strong. I would think: My parents and grandparents brought me up, my country gave me shelter, my teachers spent so much time building my foundations just to have me throw it all away? No, I can't do that! I must repay all that they have done. "I must," "I should," "I have to," all those little phrases govern my life and the lives of many of my classmates. We struggle on because duty reminds us that the awaiting success is not just for us. It's for our families, our heritage and our country.

I used to want to be a gardener. I liked working outdoors and the gritty feel of dirt was much more tangible than a bunch of flimsy words strung together. But I can never grow up to be a gardener. Everything I have done so far points to the direction of becoming a lawyer. That's a job my family wholeheartedly supports.

There is no other choice for someone who's been brought up by such a strict system, someone who has ambition. Here in America, there is almost a pressure to follow your dreams. I don't want any more dreams — dreams are illusions. And it's too late for me to work toward another future, to let the foundations I have built go to ruins.

I believe in the power of duty to impel. Only duty will offer me something true, something worthy of my effort and the support of my family and country. Duty can bring me to an achievement that is greater than I am.

It puts the Romans in a new light, right?


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Reneered wrote: "rawr the dinosaur wrote: "reneered, probably a stupid question since there are so many spoilers out, (i'm to lazy to look) but whose POVs are we reading in MOA? is it the 4 greeks : percy, annabeth..."

hm...so we still don't get jason's pov on reyna...well played RR... well played; but really annoying. O__O


yeah, i guess sometimes the romans aren't judged fairly and are put up as the less 'human' of the two.

but seriously, i'm neither greek or roman lover, i'm both. the greeks are completely silly, and the romans, their didecation to duty is something is i personally understand.

btw, that letter, i know you said it was written by a chinese girl, but, am...well it sounds like somethigns mars would say...


GreatScottland I think that if Piper goes on and on about how she can do anything Reyna can do when she meets her for less than a day and barely knows her, she is way to overprotective.
Why do you exist Piper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


message 869: by Senka (new) - rated it 5 stars

Senka Capulet I think the Piper relationship happened rather quickly, which is a sure sign that they might have problems later on. But... PIPER AND JASON TOGETHER ROCK!!!!!! In the words of someone very wise whom I cannot remember: If Jason chooses Reyna I am going to chuck the book at the wall. I don't hate Reyna, I think she is awesome! But, Piper is awesome too. Piper/Jason FOREVER!!!


message 871: by Senka (new) - rated it 5 stars

Senka Capulet Elizabeth wrote: "PIPER!"PIPER!


message 872: by Clara (new) - rated it 5 stars

Clara Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "I don't like Reyna...so I choose Piper! ow and don't forget..Reyna flirted with Percy...she wanted him to be more to her than just an partner so she isn..."

Wow. Nice job on that rant, Reneered! Since, it is obvious that neither one of us is going to be moved on the subject of Piper, let's agree to disagree? You obviously know your Riordan facts! I feel like if we actually met, it would be like Percy and Thalia; either we would be best friends or want to kill each other... ;P


message 873: by Clara (new) - rated it 5 stars

Clara Powerful.in.the.shadows wrote: "I think the Piper relationship happened rather quickly, which is a sure sign that they might have problems later on. But... PIPER AND JASON TOGETHER ROCK!!!!!! In the words of someone very wise who..."

I said that I would chuck the book at a wall, but not the last part...


Emeline Reyna.


GreatScottland Happiness to all that agree with
Reyna....................Hopefully!


message 876: by Deena Beena (last edited Sep 29, 2012 11:12PM) (new)

Deena Beena PIPER! I strongly believe that Piper and Jason should be together. I didn't like Reyna because we didn't get to know her at all. Maybe if we did know a little more about her than I would change my mind, but I'm too set in my ways so I'm sticking with Piper and Jason, sure Piper can be a little bit annoying, and big headed sometimes, but isn't that what makes a realistic character? It would've been a little annoying if she were the ideal/token character. Maybe we'll see some character development in the next book. (:


GreatScottland I don't know, but your reason at least makes more sense than just piper, and you don't hate Reyna.


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Powerful.in.the.shadows wrote: "I think the Piper relationship happened rather quickly, which is a sure sign that they might have problems later on. But... PIPER AND JASON TOGETHER ROCK!!!!!! In the words of someone very wise who..."

Piper and Jason together rock. Yes, they do if "rock" means "are shallow." Did you even bother to read my rant? I'm sorry but you have said a lot of things that have been disproved by my rant.
I hate them together. Piper said in the Mark of Athena that she suspected Venus might be behind their relationship but that she didn't want it to end. That's definitely shallow.


message 879: by Nancy (new) - rated it 4 stars

Nancy Reneered wrote: "Powerful.in.the.shadows wrote: "I think the Piper relationship happened rather quickly, which is a sure sign that they might have problems later on. But... PIPER AND JASON TOGETHER ROCK!!!!!! In th..."

You do have a point. They will probably break up once you think about. If you make connections to other books the two characters that get together quickly usually break up and move on. I hope that happens to Jasper.


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Deena Beena wrote: "PIPER! I strongly believe that Piper and Jason should be together. I didn't like Reyna because we didn't get to know her at all. Maybe if we did know a little more about her than I would change my ..."

Look, Piper's flaws would be a good thing if someone actually fricking noticed them. But no one does. Perffect Piper can do no harm.

And now that I've read MoA, even if someone did notice Piper's flaws, it would be good to some degree, but in MoA she turns extremely shallow.
When I read TLH, I thought that it would've been nice if someone noticed her flaws. Because she's still a good person inside with some realistic flaws but no one notices them.

In MoA, she just becomes a bad person who people think is perfect. So if someone notices her flaws, I still wouldn't be satisfied UNLESS she improves herself. I don't want her to improve herself to the point of being completely perfect but actually control her shallowness/jealousy/etc.

Did that make sense?


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Clara wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "I don't like Reyna...so I choose Piper! ow and don't forget..Reyna flirted with Percy...she wanted him to be more to her than just an p..."

Wait, what was your opinion on the subject of Piper? Aren't you going to counter my rant? :(


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Okay, I think people are getting wrong impressions of what I think of Jasper.
Personally, I am okay with them. Piper is still a daughter of Aphrodite, no matter how "different" she claims to be. And as for Jason, I'm assuming (although I'm twelve so I don't really have any experience with this) that he and Piper are the typical high school couple. Not the "Brick" couple. Not the "Percabeth" couple. A typical high school couple who are convinced that what they have is love. I can understand the couple, as I'm assuming a teenager has at least one "shallow" crush, and therefore I'm okay with them going out. What will infuriate me though, is if they stay together. A high school couple lasts for perhaps a couple of months before they lose interest in their relationship. Perhaps Uncle Rick is trying to demonstrate that they are still teenagers, even though they are also demigods. If Piper and Jason stay together, the illusion that they are teenagers on top of demigods will be shattered and I will be furious.

Get what I'm saying?


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Perhaps I sounded a bit critical of HoO. Let me tell you another reason why I'm disappointed in the series. I had VERY high standards for it. While there are some parts that I enjoyed, I also had some parts that I wish could be improved. I sounded a bit angry in my last rant about HoO and probably sounded like a basher. The thing is, there are probably going to be some interesting parts in HoO but I have high standards that Rick just isn't living up to.


GreatScottland When I first read Lost Hero, I didn't like it because it was Lovey Dovey between Jason and Piper.(my term for too much love) I like slower romances like percyabeth. I feel like RR is speeding up the romance so we can have more of it through the series, which I kinda don't like.


message 885: by [deleted user] (new)

Well Reneerd I agree with you too,we are getting a little obsessive over a book. I mean GAWD IT IS JUST A BOOK!Sorry Rick Riordan fans besisde me. We just have to wait and see what Rick Riordan puts in his book. But maybe secretly he checks out blogs like this and sees what his fans think and make his books like that, I do not know. But I too <3 diccusing books like this. I wonder what we'd all do if we were in the same room disscussing books aka Mark of Athena. Have you seen the cover for it? SO COOL!!!


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Angel wrote: "Well Reneerd I agree with you too,we are getting a little obsessive over a book. I mean GAWD IT IS JUST A BOOK!Sorry Rick Riordan fans besisde me. We just have to wait and see what Rick Riordan pu..."

And is that a bad thing? Is it affecting your social life? I am perfectly happy with being obsessed with this. I now have a decent life. I'm still mourning my friend and my grandmother but my life is decent right now. Obsessing over a book is not affecting me negatively.


message 887: by [deleted user] (new)

Reneerd,I did not mean it in a bad way if we wern't why would we be even comenting on this! Daria, please calm down. We are supposed to talk abouit this book but I agree with you we have gone too far. I swear to a pact to not talk about my personal life and only on the disscussion I am following.


message 888: by [deleted user] (new)

Well I hope to stay nuetral but Reyna is a good choise too


message 889: by Daria (new) - rated it 5 stars

Daria Yes I just think she is so strict and I didn't like that she flirted with Percy. That's all. I think I have to read more about her to like her : ) Btw. Who is your fav character from the HoO? ^^


message 890: by [deleted user] (new)

hmmm.. i am not sure there are so many!


message 891: by [deleted user] (new)

i agree with you on the strict / flirting part.


message 892: by [deleted user] (new)

Daria wrote: "Yes I just think she is so strict and I didn't like that she flirted with Percy. That's all. I think I have to read more about her to like her : ) Btw. Who is your fav character from the HoO? ^^"

So, you would've preferred it if she let her camp, the only true home that she's ever had, be destroyed just so she wouldn't have to "flirt" with Percy?


message 893: by Daria (new) - rated it 5 stars

Daria I just don't want to have anything to do with you. Goodbye crazy person.


message 894: by [deleted user] (last edited Sep 30, 2012 12:53PM) (new)

Daria wrote: "I just don't want to have anything to do with you. Goodbye crazy person."

Now tell me, what did I do wrong? I may have been harsh in my first post to you, but did I not apologize later? I did. And then you said I reminded you of a TWILIGHT fan girl, which was insult to me so I insulted you. What exactly did I do wrong?


message 895: by Clara (new) - rated it 5 stars

Clara Reneered wrote: "Clara wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "I don't like Reyna...so I choose Piper! ow and don't forget..Reyna flirted with Percy...she wanted him to be more to her ..."

I just said let's agree to disagree. So no, I'm not going counter your rant.


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Clara wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Clara wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "Reneered wrote: "Daria wrote: "I don't like Reyna...so I choose Piper! ow and don't forget..Reyna flirted with Percy...she wanted him t..."

Well, that's rather depressing. I enjoy friendly debates.


message 897: by Clara (new) - rated it 5 stars

Clara I know when I've been beaten. Plus, the both of us have had two years to be set in our opinions of Piper, so obviously neither of us is going to back down.


GreatScottland lets just say if Aphrodite was making Jasper happen, what if some of the gods that knew it was happening and let it slip... what do you think would happen?


GreatScottland in MoA, I noticed that after she found out about Jason and Piper getting together, she didn't try to stop it, but she tried to help Annabeth and telled her to be careful around the Romans and explained to her a little bit. she put off her love life to help the greeks and her camp first, making her even more selfless.


message 900: by Jesten (new) - rated it 5 stars

Jesten I think he should choose Piper. It's clear they adore each other and while Jason was away Reyna seemed to be liking Percy an awful lot.


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