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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
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Oh my goodness, I just cackled when I read your comment, Mirou. Poor Rhys. I think the combo of mate and High Lady would be enough for anyone to be shocked!! lolol
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So wait, there is no high lady? I went back and looked through ACOTAR and it seems as if there is no mention of high ladies besides in Feyre's mind. She assumes that there must be some. But no-one else does. Does that mean Lucien's brothers may just be his half-brothers? What happens to the old consorts? Are they killed?
And is Ianthe the love interest they were talking about for Lucien? If so, I'd rather her than Nesta. I so agree with what you guys said--Feyre shipping Ianthe with Tamlin is a little weird...it seems as if she's not too attached to Tamlin relationship-wise.
And why does she mention that boys are only coming to Ianthe? Could it be that she wishes that they were coming to her?
I can't wait until the book comes out!
Ps. these are just "rhetorical" questions. I doubt we'll know until we read the book. (Though I'd love it if you try.)
I read the chapters and found some interesting things;Feyre's birthday is on the longest night of the year
There is a lot of talk about the High Faes' offspring ( maybe this is foreshadowing and Feyre gets pregnant by a High Lord)
And the two High Fae approaching Feyre and Ianthe at the end of the excerpt , could they be Azriel and Cassian ( acting as Rhysand's messengers)
And anyone doesn't think it's strange that Feyre still didn't discovered she has powers ? Is she going to discover them while she is in the Night Court ? I find that interesting that maybe in the Spring court she can't develop her power because she doesn't belong there.I find Ianthe suspicious: Feyre explains that Ianthe can bear a child and that Priestess offspring are much respected by others and many try to have children with High Lord to gain power. I think this mention is not a random one. She's trying to get Lucien's attention but it seems like he doesn't really appreciate her (so I don't think she is her love interest, she seems too ambitious for that). What if while Feyre is at the NC, Ianthe try to seduce Tamlin ?
Reading all the mysterious and unknown that is the NC make me want to discover it soooooo much more. It's like a legend that is only whispered at night during campfire ^^. People don't really know what is going on behind the Mountains and no one comeback from the NC to tell it. I LOVE THAT.This is so intriguing.
Also we don't have the proposal scene, which I find strange because it seems unimportant. And the relationship between Feyre and Tamlin seems only going well on the sexual level. Whenever they talk, Feyre is always disappointed about what her life is going to be in the SC ("you have to remain here", "you have to attend me as a pretty wife during all those party where you don't know anyone and don't know anything", "there is no equal to High Lord so you'll always be less than me".... etc). I don't like the fact that Tamlin doesn't let Feyre show him she can be his equal. She broke the curse and defined Amarantha seriously he must know she's worth better than a simple life. And by doing that, it shows he doesn't know her at all. Him who pretended to understand the fact that she had to take care for others (I think she likes to care for other even if she didn't have the choice before, she made herself what she is, she could have done nothing but she did take care fr her family during all those years).
All those things she can't do anymore or that still didn't happened: paint, not having power, having a dagger all the time for it and using it even when Tamlin comes in her room, that made me think of all the possibilities that we're going to have in the NC with Rhys if you see what I mean ^^.
Also do you think that if a High Lady existed, would it be a title that could be created for example by Rhys or that it would be a status acquired as WinterRose said because she has powers ? (but women also have powers like Lucien's mother who change the dirty water with clean water)
Melanie wrote: "I read the chapters and found some interesting things;Feyre's birthday is on the longest night of the year
There is a lot of talk about the High Faes' offspring ( maybe this is foreshadowing and..."
OMG I never thought about it(about Cassian and Azriel or someone else from the NC coming toward Feyre), that's maybe why it is cut :O. It's a good idea because in three months, hardly anyone approached her because they're afraid or too impressed, but someone from the Night court wouldn't be afraid to approach her.
BUT at the same time, I think their presence would show more, they're physically different from others in the SC, they're all dark and shadows so I think Feyre might have noticed them among the crowd before they approach her.
Ok all these snippets are slowly killing me:"And maybe that worked for who I was before. Maybe it doesn't work for who - what I am now."
http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/142...
Laura wrote: "Do you hear that, my friends? It's the sound of a ship sinking."Ahahahah I hear it clearly
I was on tumblr and someone posted about an acomaf preview on ibooks that had rhys teaching feyre how to read in it *squeals* but they took it down before I could read it. Did anyone read it? Or took a screenshot of it? Because I'm dying right now I desperately need it
Fatima wrote: "I was on tumblr and someone posted about an acomaf preview on ibooks that had rhys teaching feyre how to read in it *squeals* but they took it down before I could read it. Did anyone read it? Or to..."*squals* This has my feels going wild!
Here you go guys! I added it under a spoiler tag for those who might not want to read it-although it is worth every word TRUST ME. :D(view spoiler)
If you cant read because its tiny- just open the image in a new tab and it'll enlarge!♡♡♡♡♡♡
It's at the very end of the ACOTAR preview that I posted above.
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH ❤️❤️❤️❤️
The rest of the ACOTAR paperback book has the rest of the missing pages. Anyone have the paperback or planning on getting it?
After reading that 
This is just perfect, and there's so much material to discuss with only those two pages
Is there any of the thread regulars here opposed to discussing previews? Just want to know if I should include any discussions/theories that stem from the previews that are gonna come out from now on.
I'm floating away on a dreamy cloud after reading this. Thanks, guys!
I couldn't open the preview from your link because book of google play is not available in my country, can you please post the missing pages??!
Couldn't find the missing pages there either, could you screenshot it and post them here if you can please?
Lol sorry didn't know about the paperback business
I guess someone could just find the ACOTAR paperback and take pictures of the preview?
The paperback won't be out till May 17th though so there really wouldn't be a point since the actual book will be out on the 3rd Dx
What the heck?? What's the point of tacking on a preview then....
I can't find the paperback available anywhere. On Amazon it says it doesn't come out until May 3rd?
The ebook version of Acomaf will be out on May 3rd everywhere.The hardcopy is out in the US on May 3rd, but in Canada its May 17th.
If you buy the online version of actor on google play, you most likely get the full sample as well.
CatcherR wrote: "Guys! Guys! Guys! I found the full version. Here it is: http://carranamcara.tumblr.com/privat..."BLESS YOU
I've only got one thing to say: Tamlin shippers are going to be mega pissed... Can't wait to see that catastrophe of ship-broken reviews.
C. J. wrote: "I've only got one thing to say: Tamlin shippers are going to be mega pissed... Can't wait to see that catastrophe of ship-broken reviews."Ahahah you're soon evil
Yes! Totally cool with a discussion. Ok, so Is it just me or does the mate bond theory seem truer than ever?
The way that Rhys is angry about Feyre's willingness about the wedding and how he says 'his prize' as if he's jealous of Tamlin. It seems as if he sees her differently and I trusts her enough with his plans.
CatcherR wrote: "Yes! Totally cool with a discussion. Ok, so Is it just me or does the mate bond theory seem truer than ever?
The way that Rhys is angry about Feyre's willingness about the wedding and how he sa..."
YES, HE IS JEALOUS ! - It was the first thing I noticed.
Yep, I like how he tells her right away what is it about and what's going to happen next.
The only thing that bothered me and I couldn't figure out is the time-line:
So he said "Yesterday" so I guess that this is her first week and yerterday was her wedding day where he kinapped her.
But then, she tells him "She is ready to go home" - What and how?
And last thing, he said "Hopefully, I'll be getting a good night AT LAST" - That means two things :
1. We discussed with @Léna and we think Feyre sleeps either in Rhys's room or in a room across his. *Fangirling hard*
2. It's not her first night here. Meaning it's maybe in the middle of the week.
Does someone has an explanation ?
Mirou wrote: "CatcherR wrote: "Yes! Totally cool with a discussion. Ok, so Is it just me or does the mate bond theory seem truer than ever?
The way that Rhys is angry about Feyre's willingness about the wedd..."
Maybe the "good night's rest at last" comment means that he's been slipping into her nightmares these past few months? Because he says it after telling her to keep up her mental "wall" to block him out while she sleeps.
I think this is the day after he brings her to night court. Rhys says that they had Feyre wrapped up like a present yesterday. So this is the day after the wedding. Apparently, they had breakfast and someone made a remark that got under Rhysand's skin. Wonder who that could be? Do people assume that Rhys took advantage of Feyre? Or was it Feyre who made the remark? I'm dying to know.
I think the 'Good night at last' alludes to Rhysand's abilities. He can probably sense her dreams through their connection. That makes it extremely difficult for him to sleep. It also makes sense why Feyre would be so frustrated as soon as he brings it up--she feels as if her privacy has been invaded.
Do you guys think that Rhys has been able to listen to her thoughts the entire time they had the tattoo? The whole, 'I didn't want you to fight alone or die alone' lines as well as the fact that he is able to tell that she is illiterate early on.
And can he sense everything Feyre does? Like everything.... (wink, wink. Cough, cough.)
CatcherR wrote: "Do you guys think that Rhys has been able to listen to her thoughts the entire time they had the tattoo? The whole, 'I didn't want you to fight alone or die alone' lines as well as the fact that ..."
If you are right, that he was able to see her nightmares the past three months. I assume that he was also able to see through everything she is doing through the eye.
Other point: Did you notice how Rhys tries to push Feyre so that she can express what she feels about what happened under the mountain ?
I have the feeling that one day, he is going to push her so far that she is going to explode and at this precise moment, her powers will awake.
I think Rhys has been able to hear and feel a lot through out the 3 months. We see this in the part where "he appeared moment before, a healthy distance away, and if I hadn't known any better, I might have thought he didn't want to startle me. As if he had known about the time Tamlin crept up on me."
Rhys must have seen Freye knock Tamlin over and felt the panic she had when he crept up behind her. Also I think he can see her dreams aswell that's why he hasn't been sleeping well.
I think Rhys's reference to the dreams keeping him up was a reference to his powers as well--it sounds like Feyre wasn't the only being tormented by those dreams. I wonder if he'll be able to help her with them somehow?And I wonder how much of their connection is that tattoo and how much could be this mate bond (which is becoming more and more plausible). This type of connection between them seems really....close? LIke, more so than I would expect from a simple bargain tattoo, even if it was retrofitted to help during the trials. And the thing is, whenever he used that tattoo, she felt it in her hand. But their mental bond hasn't been activating it, which makes me think there is a different avenue being used. Also, I'm super excited that Feyre can talk back to him now. :)
As for Rhys's reaction to Feyre being a "prize," I think some of it was jealousy (OH THE RAGE. He was ready to FIGHT someone haha), but I think he also resents the idea that they're making Feyre to be inferior, a prize to be won. He admired her for her passion for those she loved and how willing she was to fight to the end under the mountain. She suffered so much, and the Spring Court tries to erase those sacrifices and the qualities that make Feyre so special. The very things that Rhys so admires about her.
In short, I think Rhys sees Feyre as an equal, and he's infuriated by the idea that she would be so belittled and isolated and hurting at the Spring Court, the very people she most wanted to save. His emphasis on *his* prize probably points to a mix of his jealousy, but also the idea that he's appalled that she'd been downgraded to a prize, much less Tamlin's when Tamlin doesn't seem to fully appreciate her. (Or think that they're equals, which he insinuated with that you'll never be a High Lady/there are none conversation.)
I'm curious about Rhys's thoughts on Ianthe. He seems to have a pretty low opinion of her and a possible reason for his resentment could be because her and her family ran from Prythian and hid from Amarantha while the rest of their people were going through hell, but it's likely more than that. I wonder what he thinks she would do if she got her hands on possible future heirs. Ugh, it's so frustrating having this new character but not knowing much about her. I'm pretty excited to be able to learn more about fae society and all these new characters in this book. And @Laura, YES I noticed how she felt his emotions again! Which could further support the mate theory since I don't recall ever reading about her feeling Tamlin's or anyone else's emotions.
Carli wrote: "I'm curious about Rhys's thoughts on Ianthe. He seems to have a pretty low opinion of her and a possible reason for his resentment could be because her and her family ran from Prythian and hid from..."I actually have a theory about Ianthe that I've been talking to a few people on Tumblr about. I'll repost what I wrote here. Sorry in advance if it comes across a little messy - this was over chat with Aqsa haha. :)
So, we know that Ianthe is ambitious and power hungry. She's already powerful being a high priestess, but she wants more power, so she's been going for high lords or their sons (poor Lucien). We know from Lucien that he hates her and would never forgive her for leaving during the curse (more on that in a moment!). His distinct hatred for her really rings true for me and makes me hesitate to say that they'd ever get together. She wants Lucien, though, because he is a high lord's son AND tam's right hand. Any children with him would be powerful. Which also affirms the idea that she uses sex as a tool/weapon and that she wants the power that comes from having children with a high lord's blood. (oh God, this book is supposed to have weddings, battles, and babies...)
We ALSO know that Ianthe has a lot of power already, especially in terms of Feyre. She's pretty much Feyre's handler and she's doing most of the wedding planning. Admittedly, Feyre lets her, but even when she tries to balk against a decision, it doesn't matter. E.g. the wedding dress. Ianthe picks a tulle monstrosity for Feyre, and Feyre hates it. She shows it to Tam (AND HE LAUGHS. HOW DARE HE), also says he hates it, but then says SHE IS STILL GOING TO WEAR IT because Ianthe knows what she's doing. He listens to Ianthe over Feyre, who is supposed to become his future wife. RED FLAG RED FLAG. Ianthe has a LOT of sway with Tamlin and has known him since his childhood. This could become particularly dangerous once Feyre starts swaying toward the Night Court.
Which brings me to motives. So, we know that Lucien and the high priestesses dislike Ianthe. RHYS also dislikes her and makes a comment about how he can't wait to see what Ianthe does with Feyre and Tamlins children once she gets her hands on *them*. There is something dangerous here; Ianthe wants a high lord's children and she is willing to use Feyre. But what is the motive?
I have a two different ideas. One is that Ianthe will want to get Tamlin for herself once Feyre starts moving to Night.She will speak lies into Tam's ears and make him paranoid and even MORE overprotective when Feyre is back at Spring, driving even more of a wedge. She may even try to seduce him for herself (I wonder if Feyre's lines about how good of a match Ianhe would be with Tamlin is some sense of foreshadowing?). So it could be a powerplay on her end.
The other idea I have is that she is in league with the King. She left Prythian when the courts fell and escaped the following wrath. (Perhaps the King warned her to leave?) But even more than that, we know that the courts fell originally because of the spies that wiggled their way in. We never find out if they discovered who those spies were. What if one of them was Ianthe? What if she has come back to take up that role again, but Tamlin doesn't know? I wonder if that is what the other high priestesses and Rhys suspect? She IS apparently unusually young for a high priestess. Anddd what a great chess piece for the King. A high priestess on the board, infiltrating the Spring Court and getting close to that pesky high lord and his human-turned-fae bride?
ALSO. Feyre told Ianthe about her family over the wall. She worries about people invading her thoughts, but what if they didn't even need to? What if, in her isolation and loneliness she told the only sympathetic woman, Ianthe? Her family could be at a HUGE risk now.
And there is also the matter that she is all for creating the illusion of a happily ever after. Move the wedding along like a nice fairytale, gain control and favor with the High Lord's family, and maybe they'll have children soon in their happiness? And then manipulate those children or take them to the King. (What a blow that would be considering how important and cherished fae children are). We know the fae work in the long term, so this type of plan could be one of those longer ones. The spies originally wormed their way and gained trust over YEARS.
And finally there is that matter of the glove that she wants Feyre to wear on the wedding day. It will hide that tattoo, Rhys's mark and his perpetual presence, but I wonder if she does it as well because she doesn't want Rhys finding out about her. I don't think people really understand the nature of that tattoo, so maybe she hopes by covering her hand, it will make Rhys blind to what could be happening? I'm pretty sure it says that Feyre also covers her tattoo up during social events because she doesn't like how people look at it. I wonder if Ianthe encouraged that? Either way, I could see Ianthe wanting to keep Rhys unaware of her influence over Feyre and Tamlin, but it seems like Rhys is well aware of it and his warnings have begun.
Kelly wrote: "Carli wrote: "I'm curious about Rhys's thoughts on Ianthe. He seems to have a pretty low opinion of her and a possible reason for his resentment could be because her and her family ran from Prythia..."Interesting theories, but i couldn't find the links that mentioned this stuff about the priestess. Where did you read that?
Part of me def doesn't trust her, but who knows, she may redeem herself in the end.
And shouldn't there be a high priestess at the Night Court as well?
@Megan, the info about the 12 high priestesses and Ianthe's position more directly is talked about in the preview with the first four chapters, when Ianthe first shows up! Here's the link that should take you close to the passage! :) http://aaronswarner.tumblr.com/privat...
And I was thinking that the Night Court probably has one too - maybe it's Amren? Or maybe Mor?
Maybe the high priestess is Amren or Mor. Are there any pictures of Ianthe on the pinterest board? I think Isaac may show up again in the book...possibly on the path to death.
I'm not sure what to make of her. Usually SJM's blonde female characters are initially 'good' while the darker haired ones tend to be more evil.
Actually, just in case people are having trouble finding the links for the first four chapters of the preview, here they are (you should read them in this order): :)http://aaronswarner.tumblr.com/privat...
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Léna wrote: "C. J. wrote: "I've only got one thing to say: Tamlin shippers are going to be mega pissed... Can't wait to see that catastrophe of ship-broken reviews."
Ahahah you're soon evil"
Oh yes. I've ice for blood.
Ahahah you're soon evil"
Oh yes. I've ice for blood.
Kelly wrote: "@Megan, the info about the 12 high priestesses and Ianthe's position more directly is talked about in the preview with the first four chapters, when Ianthe first shows up! Here's the link that sh..."
Thanks! but i can never imagine Feyre as just a pretty, blushing bride. oh sure, all brides are pretty and who wouldn't blush? But, i feel as though Feyre's wedding dress should express herself, not frivolous girly layers. I would have pictured her ideal spring court wedding dress would take after the 2015 Cinderella wedding dress.
Why do i have the feeling Feyre would like the Night Court fashion so long as it is modest?
@Megan, oh nooo, I could never see Feyre playing the blushing bride in a pretty princess dress either! There's a reason she hated that tulle dress that Ianthe picked out (and then Tamlin agrees she should wear, despite also disliking it).I think Feyre will also like Night Court dress as well (and I agree! If it's modest haha). Rhys already said that he thought Night Court fashion suited her. ;)
@Laura YES TO EVERYTHING YOU SAID, but man you don't pull the punches! For some reason, I didn't consider Tamlin dying at the end of book 2, but remembering that quote about Feyre not having to choose... That doesn't bode well for him. Also, I agree that I think Feyre and Tamlin would break things off before a real relationship develops between her and Rhys; I really can't see Feyre cheating either.
Great point about Ianthe gathering power through the ceremonies - that fits perfectly with all the ceremonies coming back now that Amarantha is gone! She has a lot of opportunities to gain power. Ooo, what if she gets pregnant with Tamlin if Fire Night comes around again? She gains power through ceremonies, and that one is HUGE for the Spring Court (and it could get her the child she wants). Or maybe it has something to do with this other ceremony? Nynsar? We might be getting some foreshadowing early.
Targeting the Spring Court makes a lot sense for the King and Ianthe (if she's working for him, which sounds likely). They're closer to the human border, and from Rhys's conversation with Feyre in the war room, we know that the wall falling is going to be a HUGE threat. (Plus, if Ianthe gets her hands on Feyre's family, that is going to make things very difficult for Feyre and whoever she is attached to/allied with.) I'm becoming more dedicated to this theory! Haha
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