A Court of Thorns and Roses
discussion
What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest (There are HUNDREDS of Rhys & Feyre picture!).2. Sarah J.Maas con..."
Jup that was me I think, because I posted that on the other discussion as well. Nobody seems to follow that line, but to me that seems more likely than that feyre and rhys suddenly mated or something silly like that.
I definetly don't think sarah would do the rhys and feyre mate thing.
Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest (There are HUNDREDS of Rhys & Feyre picture!).2. ..."
It was you! I thought it was a very interesting point to bring up. Especially with Nesta not falling under the compulsion.
I agree with you.
However the more I look back at the book and her interactions with Rhys, I'm beginning to wonder if the Hades/Persephone myth is going to come into play.
Do you think that if Feyre did have fae lineage, and after essentially dying and being tethered by Rhys isn't going to play into a possible triangle or mate thing?
Jules wrote: "I feel like the reason Rhysand is liked more than Tamlin is because he actually did stuff in the last third of the book, whereas Tamlin, at times, literally just sat there and did nothing. Just the..."I also have to completely agree with you. Tamlin was amazing, and it was easy to love him and the blossoming relationship between he and Feyre during the first half of the book. As it went on though I can't say I felt the same.
Though, I have to wonder if part of Tamlin's appeal is he is somewhat of a tragic character. There's obviously more going on then he can let on, which we discover later on. But from the point the curse is known there is a shift in her relationship with Tamlin. Everything is more desperate. Which reminds me of teenage love. The forbiddenness and secrecy of it all is the best part. For me, that's certainly evident in at least a portion of their relationship and so by the time Feyre reach's Amarantha's domain and begins the trials I felt like the connection between her and Tamlin was more lust driven then love. (As someone previously mentioned on this thread)
As far as Elain... I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't make it through the series. Maas has done quite a bit to set up such a protective layer over her from the family. Not to mention there is a sweet innocence about her... that would make it more heartbreaking if she were to die. Question is how will it happen?
Nooo, how can you like Nesta? She's the very definition of a bitch. Seriously. She wished her own father dead!And I'm thinking that Rhys's reaction has something to do with Feyre being his mate, which would be awesome!
Tamlin and Feyre are THE couple, but I'd love a love triangle between Rhys, Tamlin and Feyre!
Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest (There are HUNDREDS of Rhys & Fey..."Well I defintly believe that there is going to be a type of persephone and hades story in the second book. And I also believe that there might be a love triangle, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that rhys is her mate. I think that Feyre is indeed tethered to Rhys; when she died, she saw everything through his eyes... kinda curious isn't it? It might have something to do with her promise or his abilities.. I don't know.
I agree that Tamlin and Feyre's relationship was definitely lust driven. But it wasn't all that. I hope that we will see more character depth and grow in the 2nd book.
Rhys is an interesting character, perhaps mostly because of his appearance of a tortured soul and his (perhaps pretentious) darkness. But I can't shake the feel that doesn't make him right for her. Yes he helped her, but he also made her feel miserable, when I was reading about what he made her do all I could think was that he was a bastard. Making her drunk and letting her dance like that, he used her as a tool to get back to Tamlin. I would never want to be a tool to someone when it comes to love, And I think neither would Feyre. It would fit in game of thrones though..
Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest (There are HUNDRE..."I'm not sure if she'd end up as his mate or not. Obviously something is brewing- and there are so many possibilities out there. It is curious about her death though. I'm curious to see if there will be further implications of that and her bring brought back as a High Fae that we may see in book 2.
No. Tamlin and Feyre's relationship isn't purely lust driven, but I feel as though it is a large part of their relationship. Though with that being said perhaps we will see further development in book 2 between them.
I can understand why you may see it that way. However getting her to drink and letting her dance was not only an escape out of her cell but he was attempting to make her look like a foolish, typical human in front of Amarantha. Rhys was trying to make her appear silly and innocent. He also made sure he never touched her in any way during any of that - as he says at the end. It was a way to show Tamlin that he was not harming her. The only time he advanced was when Feyre would have been caught with Tamlin by Amarantha. So, between everything and all of his actions I just think that he was ultimately helping her. While I don't necessarily agree with it and I do think it is possible he was also getting his own jollies out of it. . . I just can't paint him as anything inherently bad.
Perhaps there is some jealousy between Rhys and Tamlin, but I think there is more to their own history (as well as the entire realm...which is a given since this is only book 1) that we are not privvy to.
Though I will say if Feyre does end up with special abilities I really am hoping she doesn't pick the route of . . . well they all aided in bringing her back to life and now she is all super powerful. I think it would be overkill for me personally and the story. Hopefully, it'll be an interesting route and I'm curious to see how those powers will manifest... if she ends up with any.
I really like Rhysand as a character but don't want a love triangle. I was annoyed by the fact that she was his whore.
Diana wrote: "I really like Rhysand as a character but don't want a love triangle. I was annoyed by the fact that she was his whore."Feyre was never Rhys's whore. While the made a deal they have never had any sexual contact. The dancing is the only thing that hints at something sexual but Rhys never lays his hands on her. The only time the share an extremely intimate moment is when they share a kiss after Rhys breaks up Feyre and Tamlin from going to town on one another. And even then it was only to cover up what had been going on since he sensed that Amarantha was approaching.
Feyre was never anyone's whore. She didn't sleep with anyone for an exchange of favors or otherwise. While she and Tamlin are in a relationship- she did make a deal with Rhys to go to his court for 1 week every month.
Still though - doesn't involve any sex that we are aware of, and by the end of this first installment her and Rhys have had no sexual tension or sexual encounters.
Sooo... I fail to see how this has made him his "whore" as you've so eloquently put it.
Felicia wrote: "Diana wrote: "I really like Rhysand as a character but don't want a love triangle. I was annoyed by the fact that she was his whore."Feyre was never Rhys's whore. While the made a deal they have ..."
Good reply ;)
@Marte, Yep, Nesta is a bitch but she kinda of redeems herself to me when she went after Feyre in the forest.
@Felicia. To answer your question about Elain. I was thinkig about the faeries of the former queen. They know they are banished from Prythian, so they are going to hide in the mortal realm and sooo... It will happen that Elain will be somehow in their path (Maybe during her journey to visit the country ? Remember she told Feyre to join her) and the faeries will kill her because they are obviously monsters. Nesta will know and she will make a hell of it.
Oh my, I can't wait to read her first scene with Lucien.
@Makiya. There are a lot of theories which are possible but I prefer to stick to my favourite one : He saw in her, his mate :)
One friend of mine suggests that maybe he saw through her eyes. Maybe this is how the mate system work. Pay attention to this quote :
"Rhys’s arms buckled as he fought to rise, and blood dripped from his nose, splattering on the marble. His eyes met mine.
The bond between us went taut. I flashed between my body and his, seeing myself through his eyes, bleeding and broken and sobbing."
And then the last scene now :
"His eyes locked on mine, wide and wild, and his nostrils flared. Shock–pure shock flashed across his features at whatever he saw on my face, and he stumbled back a step."
What if the process of recognizing one as your mate is seeing yourself through their eyes?
That would also suggests that the mating thing works even if the person is human. Any thoughts ?
@Mirou Good point about Elain. I could certainly get behind that theory. Though I don't know if the faeries will outright attack unless they know she is Feyre's sister. I don't doubt that they would attack; but I feel like if they do it will be to retaliate at Feyre.What about Hybern? I'm curious to see if we'll learn more about them, and if they will ultimately become another external conflict in the story.
Also second excellent point about the mate theory! Perhaps. I couldn't locate it, but doesn't Tamlin discuss his parents and how they were mates? Is there any additional clues from that we may be able to glean?
As far as we know it was never disputed that humans could also be mates. Though I imagine it's frowned upon for numerous reasons; and especially since having children is such a rarity among them.
I think the fact that Feyre and Rhys are able to see themselves through each other's eyes could be more of a sign that they are connected in some way, sorta telepathically rather than in a mate way. I don't want a love triangle because I have grown tired of them as a plot point because of all the to-ing and fro-ing; it just hurts mah darn head! :(((
Jules wrote: "I think the fact that Feyre and Rhys are able to see themselves through each other's eyes could be more of a sign that they are connected in some way, sorta telepathically rather than in a mate way..."Though could that not simply be a part of the mark Feyre bares due to her deal she made with Rhys?
Also - that could be an indicator of power she may later develop in the series.
I agree @Jules! The to and fro-ing between love triangles is usually a bit much; especially since it has been so over done as of late. Not to mention all the fee-fees we the readers deal with.
Josa wrote: "I know there are so many people vouching for Tamlin but honestly I'm rooting for Rhysand, in my opinion he has done way more for feyre."WOOT WOOT TEAM RHYSAND!
Curlygirly wrote: "Josa wrote: "I know there are so many people vouching for Tamlin but honestly I'm rooting for Rhysand, in my opinion he has done way more for feyre."WOOT WOOT TEAM RHYSAND!"
noooo team tamlin all the way!!!
Diana wrote: "I really like Rhysand as a character but don't want a love triangle. I was annoyed by the fact that she was his whore."You mean he (Rhys) was her (Amarantha's) whore, right?
I'm hoping that the shock was caused by him finding out Feyre was his mate, but I know it's probably not gonna happen. And actually I'm excited to find out how the (I think inevitable) love triangle will play out. Should be interesting xD. Anyway, was it ever mentioned HOW you know you've found your mate? Unless we know, I don't think we can tell what Rhys was thinking. I'm planning on rereading soon and hopefully find out something. I can't last a whole year for the next to come out. :'(
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Tamlin no offense was so bland. Rhysand however is a delight in a wicked way.Ive seen on tumblr people think that Rhys sensed they were true mates and something to do with Tamlin and Feyre and Rh..."
Yes I am.
I know it good for the story and it saved her but Really ?
Oh and Tamlin didn't really do much to be in-love with him.
I wish he and Freya had better moments laugh more or gave us something then what was there.
I also love Rys. I knew he wasn't a bad guy and there more about him then you know also yes he so had more to him then Tam did. He jokes and wicked and I do hope that something do happens with them.
Sasa wrote: "Nesta and Lucien both have a bit of a darker edge to them. Kind of this frustration about their life. I think they'll be awesome once they get together!"O.M.G I THOUGHT THE SAME !
AS i WAS READING IT MID WAY OR WHEN FREYA AND Nesta WAS TALKING i THOUGHT THAT THEY SHOULD END UP TOGETHER.
there are a also 2 theories about feyre being pregnant and that she got the 7 powers from the kingdoms. what if feyre is pregnant and her child has those powers??
In a recent Q&A, someone asked Sarah to put her characters into Hogwarts houses. Sarah put Tamlin in Gryffindor, but she put Feyre and Rhys both in Slytherinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQUlB...
I think that scene was the point that Rhys realized he cared about a human. And the fact that Rhys didn't let her out of her agreement makes me think that he doesn't want to. In the second book Rhys is going to pursue her.. that is my prediction!
@heather. yeah im pretty sure he's gonna do that, especially since she is now fae.
@melanie. I'm not really surprised, there is a part in the book where she and tamlin talk about the war, and feyre is also quite passionate about her goal (caring for her father in the future) and her promise to her mom. and from the beginning, feyre was thinking and calculating (more than acting ) about her escape. oh, and there was a point where she hoped that her family would finally appreciate her when they starved. I think those are some traits that belong to slytherin?
*about the war part: I meant that you could see her being slytherin in that part of the book
I'm kind of worried how her family will react to her when they see she's now Fae. Didn't she tell Nesta to invest in those Ash trees? Can she even go home now, and where does this put her in the war to come?
I love Rhysand so much! I think he might have saw what Feyre could become from being a high fae. I think Rhysand might think she could possably be like Amarantha. Personally I want them to be together even for a little while. ;)
There is an interesting interview with Sarah. Maybe I read too much into it, but I think that Feyre will end up with Rhys.http://www.mugglenet.com/2015/05/auth...
"And people in the world judge according to what your magic is, so with Tamlin they think that shapeshifting must be good… but maybe in later books you might find out some of the truth behind it!"Told you it's not that abvious with Maas. Tamlin is hidding something!
"I still cry, like, every time I see it, and you get to the end where she’s all [as Belle], “Please don’t leave me!” Every time I die."
Awww, I'm pretty sure there will be a scene when a character will say this quote "Please don't leave me!" Maybe Tamlin to Feyre, no better, Feyre to Rhys.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Tamlin no offense was so bland. Rhysand however is a delight in a wicked way.Ive seen on tumblr people think that Rhys sensed they were true mates..."
Yes.
there was no sence with Tam and Freya. she said later he gave me roses ,well instead of talking about what happen couldn't it be in there. also why did the biting her neck came off as no big deal .it was the only juicy scne we gotten and it wasn't even that good
I can carry on about them but i rather talk about rys.
I knew he was a good guy he just play of as a bad guy because it is excepted but there some things that didn't show or explain. He knew all about freya from the fire night but never said any thing and why did he save her that night ?
and then there was how he could have treated her different but was nice to her. there was things that I waited for it to be explain later but it never came, I wonder is this because they want to keep the mystery of Rys and be review later on ? or are we jut to put it together our self ?
Anyways I think Tamlin was boring and i didn't believe their in-love and that Freya and Rys are so hooking up.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Tamlin no offense was so bland. Rhysand however is a delight in a wicked way.Ive seen on tumblr people think that Rhys sensed they were true mates..."
I really like croissants! I don't know which kind you usually eat, but I personally think that croissants aren't boring at all !!
Ashley wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Tamlin no offense was so bland. Rhysand however is a delight in a wicked way.Ive seen on tumblr people think tha..."
You are a little too hard on Tam. I'm 100% in love with Rhys but I actually like Tamlin. Like you, he was a little too sweet to my likings but he stills a good character, and maybe we will learn more about him.
To answer your questions : YES, there are DEFINITELY questions which needs answers ! And I think it is well done from Sarah J.Maas, because she can suprise us like that. I can't wait to find out about the Night Court
Personally I think that Tamlin was fine at first with Feyre but their relationship was a little rushed for a first book and Rhys seems like a more interesting character that Tamlin at the moment. I think a love triangle can be a good thing if it is well written by Sarah J.Maas and I would love to see how the relationship between Rhys ans Feyre can evolve.
@gabriellenot to get too far off topic, but you're eating the wrong croissants! the best are just the regular french (/austrian) ones!!
just like tam not too complicated, but hella delicious! !!!!
Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest..."Hi everyone. This is my thoughts of the seires.
so I don't think it is a whole triangle thing that will happen but there will be a few share moments between then two.
I also do think that We will see more to Tamlin and Freya
that their connection will grow stornger.
I also do feel that Nesta and Lucin will some how get together and Now that it came up I do feel that the other sister will die.
I think she will get powers and it be overwhelming for her that she lose herself and that it take both Tamlin and Rhys to help her.
I also think there be more history about the war to come in the next book. We'll hear from Tamlin and others about what happen also the evil King will come and threatened both Human and Fea worlds.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "@gabriellenot to get too far off topic, but you're eating the wrong croissants! the best are just the regular french (/austrian) ones!!
just like tam not too complicated, but..."
This !!!
Ashley wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and fr..."I think she´ll keep feeling guilty about the 2 fae she killed or she´ll also become a bit depressed .
Stéphanie wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in ..."I think she going to really struggle with being an fea and the fact she had to killed two of them to passed the trails.
It's an adjustment but not just about that I think it that she don't want it.
Something about she was talking to Rhys make me feel she hates it.
I was rereading the book (again) and I noticed that Rhys holds Feyre's wrists whenever he gets close to her. At first I thought he did that so she couldn't fight him, but I wonder if it's actually more that he doesn't like to be touched? Because he always seems to keep his distance in the other scenes.
Sasa wrote: "I was rereading the book (again) and I noticed that Rhys holds Feyre's wrists whenever he gets close to her. At first I thought he did that so she couldn't fight him, but I wonder if it's actually ..."maybe he is bloodbending
Sasa wrote: "I was rereading the book (again) and I noticed that Rhys holds Feyre's wrists whenever he gets close to her. At first I thought he did that so she couldn't fight him, but I wonder if it's actually ..."Nice point ! Arghh, he has a lot of secrets this guy, can't wait to discover them all
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from al..."Yeah I think that something in that line will happen.
I want there to be more feelings and maturity
in this next one
Ashley wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Ashley wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Stéphanie wrote: "Felicia wrote: "Mirou wrote: "1. There will a l..."I mean on Freya part. well maybe for a few of them can be more human like lol
I hope that Tamlin and Feyre's story has ended. I like the idea of Rhy's having his own story with Tamlin and Feyre as second characters.There are quite a few comments about Lucien and Nesta. But I think there is already a clue that it will be Rhys and Nesta. Tamlin's glamour didn't work on Nesta. It was even said that her brain was just too strong. Perhaps Rhys mind control won't work on her either.
As to what Rhys saw when he looked at Feyre at the end? I actually thought he saw that she cared for him. But that doesn't mean she has a romantic love for him. I think he was surprised that a human felt for him. He seemed like a character who lacked love. If he saw that in her, it would have surprised him.
I find love triangles tricky. I love the IDEA of them but I often find their execution irritating and badly written.I generally find that if I liked the girl in the beginning (which I really like Feyre so far) that my opinion quickly diminishes when she starts to fall in love with someone else. Often I find the girl ends up leading one of the guys on and her personality isn't as likable.
Feyre has already sacrificed her life for Tamlin. She would have done so and was being beaten to death at the end of the novel because she wouldn't say the words that she didn't love him. To have a character be so strong willed and be so SURE of her love and then have her fall in love with someone else is just a walking contradiction.
It kind of irks me when I see things like "if Feyre falls in love with someone else, it defeats the purpose of the first book." As if Feyre is never allowed to love anyone else now, as if she's only allowed to be with Tamlin.Essentially, as if person can't love someone with their whole heart--and fall in love again with someone else. I know YA likes to have their teenage heroines have their first love be their one and only. But if we're being realistic, it IS possible to fall in love more than once, because first love is not always your last.
So I guess for me, if Feyre did fall in love with Rhys--or anyone else--I don't think it diminishes her feelings for Tamlin, or makes the first book pointless.
I feel the same with ToG. I don't think Celaena's feelings for Chaol diminish what she had with Sam. And I don't think if she and Rowan get involved romantically, it would diminish what she had with Chaol. They're all part of her heart and always will be.
I think Feyre's love for Tamlin is indeed strong; but I don't think that means she'll never love again, or that she's incapable of doing so. She went through one heck of an emotional journey--much of which, Rhys was there and "kept her from shattering completely" as she said. I think that alone is what could lead them to bond further.
Despite his motives, he was the one that helped her, visited her in her cell, and was there when she was at her lowest. I'm not saying that means they're going to fall in love, but I do think that's going to carry weight in the next book.
WinterRose wrote: "It kind of irks me when I see things like "if Feyre falls in love with someone else, it defeats the purpose of the first book." As if Feyre is never allowed to love anyone else now, as if she's onl..."So much yes to this. Tamlin was the first to give her love and attention and it's natural she developed strong feelings for him, but as she matures (and I think that's what's happening through the trials and will continue happening in the aftermath) her feelings may change. That does not sully her as a character in my opinion though.
WinterRose wrote: "It kind of irks me when I see things like "if Feyre falls in love with someone else, it defeats the purpose of the first book." As if Feyre is never allowed to love anyone else now, as if she's onl..."I do not disagree with anything you said here. Only perhaps, with how it could be applied.
A good writer can make almost anything believable. But I find love triangles are very difficult. I haven't read the other book you're referring to, to know if Sarah did a good job or not.
I do feel like though, to fall in love with someone else, WHILE you're still in love with another person DOES diminish that love. But more importantly it diminishes said character's, well, character.
For Feyre, for how she is written, to have her fall in love with someone else, where she is SO strong and confident in her love, willing to die for it... seems like a contradiction in HER character. Not just in her love for Tamlin.
But if Sarah goes the love triangle root she may have already set it up in a way that I could find it believable. Feyre is now required to spend a week (or was it 5 days) with Rhys every month of her life. There (so far) isn't anything she can do about that.
I think it is important to note that though she did complete the trials "for Tamlin" she was really doing it for all the Fae, (especially Tamlin's court), as they had all become enslaved to Amarantha, and she had come to realize that not all were bad.
all discussions on this book
|
post a new topic
So we all know how Feyre came back to life, and what the courts did. Since all of the courts helped her I think she'll have each courts special ability's, making her a VERY powerful fae. So what if he seen Feyre becoming wicked, using her powers for evilness. When I had first read that part I got the impression that he was frightened and terrified.
I could be totally wrong, but that's just a theory. :)