A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
I agree with you Stephanie. I suspect we will see Feyre struggle with the life she has taken; and I would imagine that we will see her coming to terms of those actions.So much yes to you Mrsbooks!
First love, is not always true love. Realistically speaking a person or a character could have first love, and they themselves and the relationship can change and that initial love and relationship can shift and change. A person can change and really come into their own and realize that particular relationship isn't what they need anymore. I'm not saying first love, can't be true love it just makes sense for a character/person to go through change and really discover themselves and what they are looking for romantically.
All the situations are in place for Rhys and Feyre to potentially form a romantic connection or at the very least become extremely close. Between what they went through and the support Rhys provided Feyre during her time of need and the aftermath of her spending 1 week every month with him. It's bound to be an interesting relationship that will blossom one way or the other.
@Yasmin - that's an excellent point; and I think it's easy for us to forget that point.
Rhysand is evil though?!Sure, he helped Feyre a bit, but at what cost?
Her embarrassing herself every night, forcing her to give up a week of every month for the rest of her life, a permanent tattoo all over her arm to remind her of what she had to go through...
I don't think that Feyre could seriously forgive him for all that.
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure the only reason he helped her was to free himself from Amarantha.
I hadn't even considered that they might be a ship until coming on the internet after reading ahaha.
Mirou wrote: "1. There will a love triangle, It's obvious from all the clues Sarah J. Maas put in the book and from her pinterest (There are HUNDREDS of Rhys & Feyre picture!).2. Sarah J.Maas confirmed that Lu..."
Wow never thought about that! I really want Fayre and Rhysand togethee. there is something off about Tam I think he is evil and he was just using Fayre. to break the curse all Fayre had to do was say she loved him and mean it but it never said anything about Tam meaning what he said. he could have been lying to her just to get Fayre to say i love you
Sabrina wrote: "Not to mention that I'm pretty sure the only reason he helped her was to free himself from Amarantha."I think that's still understandable? The only reason Andras had to sacrifice himself, the only reason Tamlin had to make up lies about the Treaty, the only reason Tamlin pursued Feyre to begin with was to free himself from Amarantha too. I don't hold anything Tamlin did to free himself against him--nor would I hold Rhysand either. All these characters manipulated situations (and Feyre to some degree) to free themselves from that tyrant queen. They're also High Lord's of a court, courts they were trying to save. And I think that's understandable.
There is two possibilities with Rhys. Either he sensed a mating bond between them and sprinted, because of course Rhys would. Or he realized she was pregnant, which is less likely than the first. I liked Rhys way better than Tam, but I do think Tam is a good guy and my heart would break for him if he lost Feyre to Rhys....
If Feyre ends up with Rhys it doesn't defeat the purpose of the first book. Feyre challenged the evil fairy queen which no one had done before. The next book will probably be the beginning of the war and the last one will be the outcomes of the war.
Also during the mating process thing Feyre was forbidden to go to Rhys found her...maybe he could smell her too.
Surprised by all the Tamlin dislike. The curse prevented him from revealing all of his true thoughts and feelings. I do like Rhys, as douchey as he is, though. I just felt they spent such a long time building Feyre and Tamlin up that it would make Feyre very fickle to jump ships like that. It would make everything the queen thought about humans true, right?I think Feyre inhertited the powers or is pregnant with a half-fae, half-human child.
Curlygirly wrote: "Also during the mating process thing Feyre was forbidden to go to Rhys found her...maybe he could smell her too."I wondered how he happened to come across her too. Could have been luck, I suppose. But I feel like Maas is too calculating of a writer to do that. Rhysand told Feyre he had reasons to be out that night, though of course he doesn't further explain. lol
@ Lauren. I don't know, if Feyre and Rhysand are mates, it's all irrelevant. The mating bond isn't a choice. It just happens and as Tamlin pointed out, it makes marriage irrelevant.
I do think it would be a very interesting plot to have Feyre love someone, then find her mate with someone else. I think it's a bit too convenient that Tamlin, her first love, would also happen to be her mate.
There's also the possibility she wouldn't choose her mate, of course. I think that's pretty unlikely, but people love the "going against fate" plot devices. :P
Do you think there will an other ceremony like the Fire Night in the Night Court ?
Mirou wrote: "Do you think there will an other ceremony like the Fire Night in the Night Court ?"I don't know! I think there's probably some sort of customs distinctive there. I thought Lucien or Alis mentioned ALL the High Lords participated in Fire Night, actually.
Mirou wrote: "Do you think there will an other ceremony like the Fire Night in the Night Court ?"I think there will be one. And it would happen to be in the week that feyre is with rhys and then she would see tamlin and things would probably get even more complicated
WinterRose wrote: "Mirou wrote: "Do you think there will an other ceremony like the Fire Night in the Night Court ?"I don't know! I think there's probably some sort of customs distinctive there. I thought Lucien or..."
It was mentioned that typically other courts are present during that time. I'm secretly hoping we will see more customs and culture like that in the second book. It'd be nice to have a more in depth understanding of the relationships between courts.
On a side note: The whole pregnancy prospect is interesting. Because the fae have such a hard time conceiving as it is. It would be interesting to see if it is a half-human half-fae child or what.
Side, side note: I JUST NEED BOOK 2!
@felicia AMEN TO THAT SISTER
if I mating bond snapped ibto place, why didn't feyre feel anything??
Stéphanie wrote: "if I mating bond snapped ibto place, why didn't feyre feel anything??"That's a good point, but maybe she doesn't know what she's supposed to be feeling? Did they explain how the mating bond feels/happens in the book? Like how do they know they are mates? Or could a mating bond be onesided? I guess that wouldn't make a BOND though.
Im really hoping something happens between feyre and Rhysand ... i really like him , and that final good bye they had....
"His eyes met mine. The bond between us went taut." (Feyre, looking at Rhysand in that scene where Amarantha is trying kill her)Somebody tell me this is a coincidence.
Sasa wrote: ""His eyes met mine. The bond between us went taut." (Feyre, looking at Rhysand in that scene where Amarantha is trying kill her)Somebody tell me this is a coincidence."
Yep, already thought about that. It makes sense.
I don't think he will accept it, but all the contrary, I think he will struggle against during the second book. Can't wait to see that.
That would be a very strong indicator if he kept away while Feyre is at court. Also, I can't wait to see and get to know the Night Court. It must be magical!
AGHH this is all making me so excited!!
Laura wrote: "Actually, I think we already got a glimpse at the Night Court in that scene where Feyre is listening to that music that makes her cry in her cell before the last challenge. This is filled with fore..."YES! I actually wondered the same thing. It's a beautiful description, but I was curious if that was actual one of the Night Court.
Not to mention thank you for quoting this, because I also notice that "I wept-wept to be so close to that palace, wept from the need to be there."
. . . Sooo perhaps her tie to Rhysand? Or at least that's what I'd like to think it is. Because I love their bond. And just that last bit "Everything I wanted was there-the one I loved was there"
But she fails to mention who. Because we assume it's Tamlin. . .
@Laura Precisely!But if that is the case - then does Feyre not acknowledge that afterwards considering she goes back to the Spring Court with Tamlin?
I have to say that description Feyre used to describe the "palace in the sky" looks an awful lot like one of the images Sarah pinned as "Rhys's palace." I had a suspicion Rhysand was responsible for that music. I wondered if it was his way of letting her see something under than under the mountain, and if he was using his own memories to draw from. That, or some future sight is going on there. lolIt will be interesting if Feyre remembers that music when she sees the Night Court, if she feels like she's seen it before.
On the mating thing, I saw the post about "seeing through their eyes" is the mating sign and I think it's a good theory. I wondered if either 1) Rhysand saw himself through Feyre's eyes, thus his reaction. Or 2) saw her memories and saw HER see herself through his eyes, thus realizing she had mated with him--but he hadn't with her yet.
What do you guys think about Feyre being "dead" but still kind of alive in Rhysand? Effect from the bond he forged between them, or something else?
@winterroseI made a comment on that but I thought no one had seen it. I am team tamlin, but I thought it very curious that she looked through rhysands eyes when she died.
I think you're right, the "palace in the sky" sounds like it is the Night Court. And that scene does feel like Feyre is seeing it through Rhys' eyes. I wonder if he was dreaming and somehow that brought his guard down and the connection opened up.
@ Stephanie. I am curious too. How a shred of her soul managed to still be intact. I don't know if it's due to his own powers, their bond, the tattoo, or what. Very curious indeed!@ Sasa. A dream is a good thought! I hadn't thought of that.
I just posted a review on acotar and it has my list of theories : https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...
Do we know of any other characters in the book that have the mating bond or was it only just Tamlins parents? Just his parents that I recall. Have you read Heir of Fire? There's a little more on mates in that, but I don't know how similar the content for mating is between the two series.
The Night Court does seem to be Greek inspired, especially now knowing book two will have Hades/Persephone elements.
I really don't like the idea too much of a love triangle but I like how someone brought up that to break the curse Tamlin didn't really have to love Feyre, she just had to love him. If so, I kind of like the idea of Tamlin being a bad guy who manipulated her. I'm doubtful that would play out though.
Laura wrote: "Actually, I think we already got a glimpse at the Night Court in that scene where Feyre is listening to that music that makes her cry in her cell before the last challenge. This is filled with fore..."Awww, this is my favourite scene so far and I had also noticed the description of the Night Court. And when she said that "—the one I loved was there— " I was totally fangirling. Check This pictures from SJM pinterest, it matches the description : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
The question is : Is Feyre going to remember this ? Sadly, I don't think so. It would be too easy.
@Laura, I heard about that too. Though, I think we will read about her first visit at this court, SJM wouldn't miss a scene like that. But, I wonder why did Rhys wait months to get her to the Night Court ? Political matters ? Or just to delay the inevitable, meaning seeing her ?
And I agree with you, he is going to TRY to avoid her. But, come on, with those dresses, he wouldn't resist her, mark my word.
@WinterRose : A good question. I don't know, but something we all agree about, is that this bond or whaterver they shared is very very strong. I mean to keep someone's soul intact ? Wooow.
@Gabrielle : Actually, I'm more excited about Rhys's Family! I saw some pictures from SJM pinterest, and there are two guys :
- The fist one is Azriel (Little Brother ?) : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
- Thee second one is Cassian who I'm pretty sure is matted with a fae named Mor : https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
What do you think of them ?
Last question : Now that Rhys recovers all his power, what do you think can stop him from reading Feyre's mind ?
*I hope it's not going to be like twilight, you know, like Edward who cannot read Bella's mind.
PS : Did you see this picture ?
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2468536...
I was picturing a scene like that where Rhys is saying the same lines to Feyre : What a wicked think to do, to make dream of you. Can you imagine ?
Mrsbooks wrote: "I really don't like the idea too much of a love triangle but I like how someone brought up that to break the curse Tamlin didn't really have to love Feyre, she just had to love him. If so, I kind ..."I would too. It just makes everything more interesting. He could have pulled a Hans and said "If only there was someone who loved you." lmao
I think it's pretty clear Tamlin is a good guy--or else it would be the greatest manipulation I've ever seen.
But you're right. Tamlin never had to love her; she just had to love him. (I wonder why Amarantha didn't make it so he had to love the human, too.)
Is Feyre going to remember this ? Sadly, I don't think so. It would be too easy.Maybe she'll think the night court looks familiar, but not remember why or how. More specifically, it sounds like she saw Rhysand's palace.
My hunch is that Azriel and Cassian are Rhysand's brothers, though they could just be members of the court. I have a feeling someone was "ruling" in Rhysand's absence and they may not be happily willing to step down once he returns. Especially if Rhysand wasn't in fact, the oldest. Don't courts pass to the strongest, not the oldest?
They could have also made some deals with the king of Hybern (spelling? lol) that Rhys would not have approved. I don't know, I just think there's going to be some court scheming going on. :P
Now that Rhys recovers all his power, what do you think can stop him from reading Feyre's mind ?
Maybe he'll just not do it out of respect of her privacy. Or maybe they'll make some sort of bargain that he'll never do that again. (They'll still speak telepathically, but maybe he won't read her thoughts) Or perhaps, that will be her Fae ability, that her mind is a block. I don't know.
In comparison to Twilight, it doesn't seem like it's a filter he can never turn off. From what I gathered, he can enter the mind at will--and stay out of the mind at will too.
I want some interaction between Nesta and Lucien. :DBut part of me kind of wishes it had been Nesta that had gone to the Spring Court. She's even more bitter and hateful than Feyre. It would have been such character development had she fallen in love with Tamlin.
WinterRose wrote: "I want some interaction between Nesta and Lucien. :D
But part of me kind of wishes it had been Nesta that had gone to the Spring Court. She's even more bitter and hateful than Feyre. It would have..."
Exactly.
But part of me kind of wishes it had been Nesta that had gone to the Spring Court. She's even more bitter and hateful than Feyre. It would have..."
Exactly.
Laura wrote: "Lucien will have a love interest next book and many people are speculating it will be Nesta."I hope it's going to be heeeer !
Laura wrote: "Lucien will have a love interest next book and many people are speculating it will be Nesta."I would love for those two to get together. But I'm very, very worried about Lucien's brothers. I don't think they'd approve and we know they're violent and awful. Feyre will have to make sure Nesta is protected!
Laura wrote: "Lucien's brothers all seemed pretty aweful. But I was pleasantly surprised by the fact that Lucien's father was who first gave Feyre that shiny thing to make her a Fae. I felt like all of the High ..."Yep, maybe he was trying to redeem himself ? And I agree, I don't want Lucien's Brothers to hurt Nesta. And I don't think it would happen because otherwise it would be a repetition of his story, don't you agree ?
I felt like all the High Lords wanted to honor Feyre for giving them their freedom back. After all, she made the ultimate sacrifice for them.@Laura: You're right, he didn't need to paint such an intricate tattoo. I wonder if that is a Night Court tradition though...
Hmm, well I have to say that when I read the book I never considered Feyra and Rhys to have any potential as a couple. It just never entered my head. But now that I've seen people talking about it, I would be very open to the idea because Rhys is by far my favourite character in the first book. I like Feyra and Tamlin together, and I do believe he loves her though, despite what a few people have been saying that maybe he doesn't. He seemed genuinely devastated when she died, and at that point there would have been no point in pretending. But I'm not sure how their relationship will fare after Feyra killed those two Fey, I don't think it's something Tam will be able to help her with as much. Rhys on the other hand has ha to do many horrible things because Amarantha told him to, so I feel like he might be more able to identify with her and help her. Plus he mentioned that his father killed Tam's dad and brothers during the war. Tams father and brothers were fighting against the freedom of the slaves which means...that Rhys, unlike Tamlin (though he was young at the time), was more than likely on the human's side. I think this even more because of the mural in the library (Night court was painted as looking menacing and evil by an obviously human-hating fairy after the way).
When it comes to what Rhys saw in her at the end I'm not sure, but it was obviously something that shocked him, so I don't think it was a minor thing. Of all the theories I've seen the one I think that makes the most sense is that he saw himself through her eyes, which is a sign that they're mated but she doesn't know that it is and he doesn't like the idea of it either at this point. While I was reading the book though I had absolutely no clue whatsoever about what it could be, so I'm keeping a very open mind.
As for Lucian and Nesta: as soon as Feyra went back home and told her sister everything, I was like 'she's be perfect for Lucian' she's speak back to him, she'd insult him, and it would be perfect <3
Sasa wrote: "...At first I thought he did that so she couldn't fight him, but I wonder if it's actually more that he doesn't like to be touched?..."
This wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. It makes more sense than him being fine with being touched. If I'd spent 50 years being raped by a crazy psycho bitch I do not think I'd want people touching me either.
my prediction:tamlin + feyre
rhysand + nessa
? + elain - maybe lucien
Has anyone ever read the shatter me series? With Warner and Juliette?I think Rhys and Feyre will be a little like that, I just can't stand the thought of rhys being with someone else.
P.s anyone know where I can find fanfiction of Rhys and Feyre?
I agree Gabrielle, I don't think the sisters will all be paired up with fae men. Actually I don't think Elain will play much of a role in the next two books. Nesta is a bit more developed, and I think she will.I think it's a very interesting (and realistic) idea: what happens when you're in love with someone, and then you meet your mate? I think expecting Tamlin to be Feyre's first love AND mate is stretching the convenient factor a bit too much.
Maas could go down a a different route have Feyre and Tamlin go against fate by Feyre not choosing her mate--which I personally don't want, just because that's too cheesy for my personal preference. But I would love to see how a person would handle having a love, then meeting their mate.
I'm also curious how the mating bond works. Like is it basically insta-love? Or is it like a magnet, where you're drawn to them, have a sense when they are present, etc. Is it a gradual change, or does it knock your socks off all at once?
Also, remember Lucian talked about his first love and how he kept waiting for the mating bond to happen but it never did. Unfortunately, I think we are being set up for the same scenario with Tamlin and Feyre. I actually like Rhysand but I'm so over the "girl picks bad boy" cliche. Joey/Pacey, Elena/Damon Hermoinie/Ron enough is enough!
Lauren wrote: "Also, remember Lucian talked about his first love and how he kept waiting for the mating bond to happen but it never did. Unfortunately, I think we are being set up for the same scenario with Taml..."@Lauren, I have to disagree with you. I want mostly bad boys with the girl because first, they are often the most intriguing characters and secondly, because they don't just accept the girl the way she is but they make her strong. I don't know if it's going to be like that with Rhys and Feyre, but anyway, I want something to happen between them.
@Laura, I agree, he doesn't want the mate think between them. And like we said ealier, I'm pretty sure he is going to try to avoid her.
@WinterRose : I prefer your second theory about the mating bond, about the magnet, but maybe in a sexual way ? Tho two characters feel gradualy, a kind of strong passion for each other. I think it's possible since we have a lot of sexual scenes in ACOTAR.
@Gabrielle : Yes, I have this feeling too that Elain is going to die ...
I think "bad boy" is a very general trope and I feel like instead it should be labeled "complex character" instead. Typically, those we call bad boys ARE very complex.I don't know if Rhysand even fits the typical "bad boy" category anyway to be honest. He might have qualities of a "bad boy" such as him being pretty powerful, his sensual banter with the heroine, his looks....but look at the big picture:
Rhysand became Amarantha's whore against his will AND her lackey who does her dirty work to keep his court from her clutches. He's been forced against his will for 50 years to do whatever sexually she wants and any other orders she may ask: torture, punishments, mind control, etc. Then in the end, he tried to fight and kill her.
He may have done some "bad boy" stuff, but he's sure as heck done some "hero" stuff too. I don't think he fits into a single category.
@ Mirou. I prefer the second theory too. I don't want it to be insta-love. I hope it does have more of that magnet feel, a sort of pull and awareness of each other.
I was talking with Aqsa and I thought a lot of the Rhysand/Feyre images on pinterest were a bit...full of longing. It made me wonder if Feyre will marry Tamlin, THEN the mate bond will really snap into place with Rhysand. That'd be a very difficult position because she'd be High Lady of the Sprint Court, but be mated with the High Lord of the Night Court. Yikes. lol
I hate the bad boy idea. It's WAY over used and unrealistic. In real life everyone should RUN from the bad boy. I do however love complex characters, men and women. I also hate insta-love story lines. I like the idea of the mating bond being like a magnet. In fact, I like the idea of of the mating bond even working on couples who might even hate each other and have a slow work over.
I'm just looking forward to seeing this world developped further. Under the Mountain was intriguing, but Feyre was caught in her cell so she didn't get to explore much. I want to see more of all the courts!I actually don't see Rhys as a bad boy. He's a strong leader who made terrible sacrifices to portect his court. That's no different from Tamlin, except Tamlin did it more with stoic composure than jestful cunning. But in essence, both did what they had to. Even Lucien, when he refrained from coming to help Feyre fix her arm. That's what I love about this story, the characters are not generic at all but do things that make sense to them in the moment.
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I do think there is a realistic possibility of one occurring here, considering the situations these characters are in/have been in.
Tamlin had no choice but to remain like stone during the trials--and I'm glad he did. I think it was realistic for his character. But him putting such distance between them would allow someone else to slip in there--and Rhysand did. And as I said, I think it will carry a lot of weight because that was during a time she really needed someone.
So I do think potentially, I can see how this would shift into a love triangle. Had Feyre not gone through those trials, not bonded with Rhysand during this time, not changed so much in the end, I wouldn't think it possible. But given the circumstances, and considering she's now going to spend a week with him every month...
(Story aside, I'm also certain Maas wouldn't have all those images of Feyre and Rhysand on her pinterest for no reason, haha.)