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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
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I don't think Feyre and Tamlin have great chemistry together. I bet there's somebody that compliments him better. Also, he may be quite different now that he's no longer cursed.
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Yeah they fell a little flat for me. :/ I'm also curious how he'll act now that the curse is lifted. Tamlin seems to be content keeping Feyre out of danger and protect her. I wonder now that she's High Fae if that will piss her off. I feel like Tamlin is the type who would pull Feyre from the edge of the mountain. Rhys would give her a shove because he'd expect her to fly.
I feel like Tamlin likes being the knight in shining armor. He wants to save everyone by protecting them and this fits with his actions during the curse such as not wanting to send out more envoys trying to find a human that would kill a faerie in cold blood. Without the addition of new characters I can only see him being really happy with Elain. Feyre thinks she wants someone to protect and take care of her but I think she'll find that she's more comfortable taking care of herself as she's done for so many years.
I feel like Tamlin likes being the knight in shining armorYep, I wrote something like that in my review actually. I agree with you too that I think Feyre will quickly want to go back to taking care of herself. Honestly I was surprised she didn't snap living in that estate with nothing to do but eat, paint, and wander around.
@ Laura. They remind me of Aelin and Rowan a lot too. Those are my ships. :D Rowan/Aelin and Rhys/Feyre. I trust Maas to deliver on them. Too much foreshadowing and hints to ignore.
Yep, I wrote something like that in my review actually. I agree with you too that I think Feyre will quickly want to go back to taking ca..."I think if it like summer vacation. The idea of it seems awesome at first and for about the first month you're loving life. by the time the middle of July comes around you're getting stir crazy. Feyre is only now starting to get to the middle of July.
Did you guys notice that Tamlin can't control his temper ( like his claws suddenly coming out). Maybe Feyre distances herself from him, because she can't handle the deaths of the two innocent Fae. And that leads to their break-up.
There is also the fact that Tamlin'heart was in stone. The idea of him loving her with a heart of stone was already weird for me, so, what if he discovers that he isn't so much in love with Feyre ? That would be horrible, though.
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "I noticed that too, he would always be growling and his claws always threatening to come out, even when a situation isn't that bad."While I was rereading, knowing that he was under a curse and couldn't tell her about it I just attributed most of his temper with his frustration of the situation. In the beginning he was making some effort to get to know her so she could have a chance to fall in love with him and she barely even wanted to look at him. I don't necessarily approve of his behavior as I don't necessarily approve of many of Rhys's actions towards Feyre but I can understand that to be in a situation where one person holds the fate of everyone you know and love in their hands and they don't know about nor can you talk about it would be extremely frustrating.
I wonder what Rhysand had to say at the end, because remember he looked really surprised at Feyre but then just disappeared. Hmm, really curious about that. Also I think that Feyre's dad is going to die because that will put a big hole in the plot and Nesta and Elain will have to live with Feyre and Tamlin.Am I the only one who thinks that Feyre will get to like Rhys and Tamlin won't be too happy about that? Then there is like a huge battle.
#perferct
Bookworm wrote: "I wonder what Rhysand had to say at the end, because remember he looked really surprised at Feyre but then just disappeared. Hmm, really curious about that. Also I think that Feyre's dad is going t..."@Bookworm
I agree with you about the death of Feyre's father and Nesta going to Prythian. But I don't know if Elain is going to survive too.
According to SJM's pinterest, I'm pretty sure something is going to happen between Rhys and Feyre.
But, I think the battle is going to be against the King of Hybern, not specially between Rhys and Tamlin.
Mirou wrote: "There is also the fact that Tamlin'heart was in stone. The idea of him loving her with a heart of stone was already weird for me, so, what if he discovers that he isn't so much in love with Feyre ?..."That reminds me. His heart was literally turned to stone. But I wondered if it was also "metaphorically" turned to stone. Like..he COULDN'T love. (Parallel also to Rhysand who said "Be glad of your human heart. Pity those who don't feel anything at all.") He had to try to get someone to fall in love with him despite the fact that he couldn't love - which would make it a more challenging of a curse. Just made me wonder if Rhys was on point, that all the high lord's couldn't feel anything like love when their hearts were turned to stone. (It was my understanding that all the high lord's had hearts of stone - which is how Amarantha controlled their powers.)
This might not be true, but I remember Alis mentioning there was something Feyre didn't know about the curse. And I couldn't remember if we were ever told.
I just got my sister to read this book.I asked her opinion and she said this: Rhysand is going to be the Adrian Ivashkov of ACOTAR.
And the heart thing was confusing, because there is a part in the story where Feyre hears it beat.
what was that thing he was going to say to Feyre at the end of ACOTAR? Like he looked at her really surprised, then he just disappeared. Weird. But Feyre says after she turned Fae that she could have SWORN she heard his heart beat.Can't believe we have to wait til next year :( !!
Does anyone think that the moment when Amarantha comments on Feyre's name being an old one is of any significance? Like does it tie in to Nesta being immune to the glamours or to Rhys stumbling at the end?
Amy wrote: "Does anyone think that the moment when Amarantha comments on Feyre's name being an old one is of any significance? Like does it tie in to Nesta being immune to the glamours or to Rhys stumbling at ..." Mmm.. good detective skills. I never thought of that.---
When I first read the ending scene with Rhysand, I assumed he saw something that frightened him behind Feyre. But when I began thinking about it...I don't think he would have simply vanished without at least telling Feyre.. so that scenario is a definite no. I never thought of the whole mate thing between Rhysand and Feyre though! To be honest I've never read stories with mates before... they always sounded like a cheesy quick stupid excuse to fall in love with someone {I never actually tried to find out weither that was true or not, though}. Reading what it means in ACOTAR, sounds pretty cool actually. But part of me is a little iffy about it, I don't like the idea of two characters falling in love/being together simply because they're mates and they HAVE to be together. Then again, you can't really fight that kind of bond, can you?
My feelings of the whole mate thing aside, Feyre and Rhysand being mates seems like a high possibility. There are these little clues of her being a more Night Court Fae than Spring. I can't relay all them down at the moment, but just reading through this entire discussion fills you in on them.
Mate thing aside, I totally dig Rhysand and Feyre together. The first 85% I was totally with Tamlin. But reading the last 15% and then reading more about it on here has made me a rock hard shipper of Rhyre {or whatever you people call it}. It's true, Tamlin is a little stale. But most of all, he is quite controlling. I never realized it until going over the book again.I was shocked, annoyed and a little disturbed. I had took Tamlin's controlling behaviour as normal, even romantic. I don't like that. I'm not saying Tamlin is a bad guy, necessarily. I guess what bothers me most is that Feyre didn't do anything about it most of the time. With Rhysand, she says WHAT IS ON HER MIND. She's bloody honest, AND I LIKE IT. She's not going to sit there like a perfect little doll, she's going to snap at you. Even if she loses in the end. It still matters.
WinteRose said something that I liked, she said "I feel like Tamlin is the type who would pull Feyre from the edge of the mountain. Rhys would give her a shove because he'd expect her to fly."
It's the difference between their relationships. Tamlin seemed a little too protective and controlling of Feyre, which doesn't sound like equals to me {But maybe he was so controlling and protective because she was his only way to break the curse and she was a fragile human in a powerful Fae world?... okay, then I can understand it.}
Rhysand seems like the type to see the strength in Feyre and so he believes in her. He was the only one who thought she'd make it through the first trial. And after she won the first trial, he decided to support her, to do his best to make sure she "won". Yes, it wasn't in the best of ways {putting her in scantily dresses, drugging her, making her dance provocatively, etc. I could go on and say how that is wrong but Rhys had his reasons, but I think that is for later discussions}, but I do believe it was all part of a plan {That seemed to work considering the outcome}. Anyways, my point is, he had faith in the fragile human girl, he had the guts to help her. Which I can't say for all Fae.
But who knows, my opinion could change. We'll have to wait for the next book to see if Tamlin will always be controlling {etc}, or that was just because Feyre was more fragile then. And if Rhysand is more than he appears to be...
What are everyone else's thoughts?
What do you think is in store for us in the next book?
Do you guys think Tamlin is controlling, or am I the only one?
Do you think Feyre will change in the next book, if you do, what changes do you think those will be?
What are your theories?
{Sorry for all the questions, but I've loved all your theories and posts so far and would love to see more :)}
With Rhysand, she says WHAT IS ON HER MIND. She's bloody honest, AND I LIKE IT.Completely agree with this. Even Feyre notices that around him she has no filter.
Do you guys think Tamlin is controlling, or am I the only one?
I think it actually might be a little natural for Tamlin - and all the High Lords - to have some element of control. Since they technically do control and lead their own lands. With Tamlin being in a situation outside his control, I can see how he might control what he CAN in order to break the curse. There had to be a level of manipulation on his end, understandably.
So he's kind of hard for me to judge, since he had that curse to break. But I do think he showed a lot of over protectiveness. There's a scene where he said he just wanted to come home to Feyre being safe and painting made me want to scream with rage lol. Like I get his heart is in the right place but nooo my huntress is not a fragile doll that needs to be locked away. Book 2 will definitely give us a better understanding of how Tamlin REALLY is.
Do you think Feyre will change in the next book, if you do, what changes do you think those will be?I think she already is changing. By the end of the book, she seemed different to me already. More withdrawn and on the verge of falling into depression. I think she's going to struggle letting go of what she did.
I have a feeling they'll be friends before being lovers, and only friendship earns that kind of trust.Reminds me of Aelin and Rowan. Their relationship started off not so great, but they formed a very close friendship that eventually leads to something more.
She has become more distant and by the end of the book it was like she was somewhere far away where no one could reach her.
I agree. I thought when Rhys asked her what it was like to be High Fae, we saw her open up a little, which was a good start.
I'm also super excited for book two. Azriel and Cassian look delicious. haha I'm a bit nervous about Amren.
WinterRose wrote: "I have a feeling they'll be friends before being lovers, and only friendship earns that kind of trust.Reminds me of Aelin and Rowan. Their relationship started off not so great, but they formed a..."
Another point : SJM put some pictures of Rhys's mother.
Do you think she is alive ?
Also, I remembered Alis (was that her name ?) saying something about the people of the Night Court being one of the most wicked ones.
What do you think of this ? I'm afraid Feyre won't like it..
@ Laura. Just those images - she looks scary! haha Plus I know Sarah is a huge fan of ATLA, which featured a brother/sister dynamic where the sister was crazy. I mean I loved her to bits but she was pretty hellbent on taking her brother's throne.I'm afraid Feyre won't like it.
I think perhaps the opposite. I remember Sarah being asked which houses the characters would be in if they went to Hogwarts. Tamlin was Gryffindor. Both Rhys and Feyre were Slytherin. :P Feyre may be more wicked than we realize.
Josa wrote: "Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "I dont believe in Tamlin and Feyre love though, it didn't seem right to me. I hope she leaves him." YAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS I LOVE RHYS"
YYYAAAASSSSS Looks like we are on the same RHYS ship! toot toot!!!
Well I have a new wild theory.Know how we discussed the music that Feyre heard in her cell, and it possibly relating to Rhysand?
She mentions drums - and the other time drums where mentioned was during Fire Night. Assuming each court has their own "fire night" on different days out of the year, what if what she was hearing and drawn to was the Night Court's Fire Night?
If Rhysand was there, maybe whatever magic flowing through him (just as Tamlin had powerful magic that night) allowed Feyre to "be there" so to say. Because of that powerful magic + their bond.
WinterRose wrote: "Do you guys think Tamlin is controlling, or am I the only one?I think it actually might be a little natural for Tamlin - and all the High Lords - to have some element of control. Since they technically do control and lead their own lands. With Tamlin being in a situation outside his control, I can see how he might control what he CAN in order to break the curse. There had to be a level of manipulation on his end, understandably..."i>
That does make sense. Thanks for the reply, it's definitely eased my opinion on Tamlin a bit.
Laura wrote: "Musicgurl8192 wrote: "Amy wrote: "Does anyone think that the moment when Amarantha comments on Feyre's name being an old one is of any significance? Like does it tie in to Nesta being immune to the..."
Exactly. She's not going to mention the whole mates thing without it playing a role. Gah, just reading that there are hints & clues in the book makes me want to reread it. I am so damn excited for the next book, why the long wait? WHY?!
I know. "They just feel so much more real to me, because I have a feeling they'll be friends before being lovers, and only friendship earns that kind of trust." That's just what I felt. It felt more realistic and honest to me, as well. I just love that. They are way more fun to read together. Tamlin and Feyre... I felt like they barely connected. It was more friends who find each other really banging than true love. I don't doubt they care a lot for each, just not as deeply as the love they think they {Feyre} have.
True, very true. I don't want him to treat her as a glass doll, which I'm worried he might do. If he did that, no doubt a rift would start between them.
Yes, I agree with you guys. I think she's going to be a little darker, and hopefully, learn a bit and mature.
Yes, yes, YES. I am so excited for it too! Guys, just thinking of the Night Court makes me sigh. Did you see Maas's Pinterest? The place is gorgoeus, and I love night alone as it is! Then all the new charcters look amazing. Can't wait to meet them. And the pic of Fey're with wings... Gah, so damn EXCITED.
WinterRose wrote: "Well I have a new wild theory.
Know how we discussed the music that Feyre heard in her cell, and it possibly relating to Rhysand?
She mentions drums - and the other time drums where mentioned was..."
Good theory! It makes a lot of sense and works well will the whole Feyre & Rhys bond idea.
Oh, I have an idea. Let's say they are mates, and Rhys is at his own Fire Night, and they do the whole maiden thing, and Feyre is the maiden... which is why she can see and hear it? Because she's the one? Made even more special because they're mates? I'm not sure. It's only a hunch.
Josa wrote: "I know there are so many people vouching for Tamlin but honestly I'm rooting for Rhysand, in my opinion he has done way more for feyre."Same! I really don't know what Feyre would have done eithout him, with she would have died a slow death, or a long, painful death of torture. I don't know which one is better, but I liked it better when she stayed alive so a love triangle can for between her, Rhysand, and Tamlin
Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "I reckon Nesta would go into the dearie world if she was under threat from other feires from the other nations, or for her own gain because the human world docent hold much for her anymore, not whe..."Hmm, this got me thinking. What if she wandered into Hyberon? (However you spell that) She could be held as bait, or fall in love with some 'enemy' character. Yes, that would be nice.
But I think the ritual can't be done Under the Mountain and it was implied that Feyre saw Rhys earlier that night during the partyWell we know he's allowed to leave under the mountain. I don't think she saw him that day though. If I remember right, I think she had been there days before that music drew her out. She seemed really out of it before that moment. I'll have to check my book to be certain.
Going by Throne of Glass series here, who we think is the romantic interest in the beginning might not end up being the romantic interest in the end. I wouldn't be surprised if something happens between Rhys and Feyre. There have been quite a few hints dropped that there's something between them.
I hope there is a love triangle with Tamlin and Rhys. I am just not warming up to Tamlin.And a week every month at the Nightcourt?
Oh, yes please.
Laura wrote: "Mirou wrote: "WinterRose wrote: "I have a feeling they'll be friends before being lovers, and only friendship earns that kind of trust.Reminds me of Aelin and Rowan. Their relationship started of..."
Yes, I already noticed that. She is definitely describing the Night Court when she is hearing the music and when she said at end "The one, I loved was there.." That's a BIG clue for what's going to happen next.
Mirou wrote: "Laura wrote: "Mirou wrote: "WinterRose wrote: "I have a feeling they'll be friends before being lovers, and only friendship earns that kind of trust.Reminds me of Aelin and Rowan. Their relations..."
Yesss!
Mirou wrote: "Yes, I already noticed that. She is definitely describing the Night Court when she is hearing the music and when she said at end "The one, I loved was there.." That's a BIG clue for what's going to happen next. ."I need to reread (it's been a few months) because I feel like I missed small details like this.
Yes, I already noticed that. She is definitely describing the Night Court when she is hearing the music and when she said at end "The one, I loved was there.." That's a BIG clue for what's going to happen next. Lol when I read that I remember my eyes almost popped out I was like WHAT. I think it's a clue, too.
Musicgurl8192 wrote: "Amy wrote: "Does anyone think that the moment when Amarantha comments on Feyre's name being an old one is of any significance? Like does it tie in to Nesta being immune to the glamours or to Rhys s..."Yes, I also really like the part about "I feel like Tamlin is the type who would pull Feyre from the edge of the mountain. Rhys would give her a shove because he'd expect her to fly." This is really similar to A. G. Howard's Splintered Series. Go check it out, it's also about faery-like creatures, and I feel like anyone who likes Sarah J. Maas' books would like A. G. Howard's.
Back to the topic however, I am really rooting for there to be a mate bond between Feyre and Rhysand. Like a lot of people have been saying, Tamlin has been shown to be extremely controlling while on the other hand, Rhysand brings out her 'fighting spirit' so to speak. In fact, it says somewhere in the book that "What ever instinct that had told me to keep my mouth shut around Tamlin and Lucien completely failed me around Rhysand." (I paraphrased this quote since I don't have the book on hand with me.)
Lol yeah my friend told that's similar to something in Splintered. I had forgotten. I read the series, though I wasn't crazy about it. It would be interesting to see the mate bond, and how it works. I hope Sarah reveals the title soon and I can't wait for more Night Court stuff. I saw a picture on her pinterest of "View from Rhysand's cabin." If he takes her to a cabin in the mountains...*winks*
WinterRose wrote: "Lol yeah my friend told that's similar to something in Splintered. I had forgotten. I read the series, though I wasn't crazy about it. It would be interesting to see the mate bond, and how it wor..."
What if there is a piano in his cabin ? *Sigh*
That cabin... it will be our undoing!!!!
I was thinking before that Feyre and Rhysand were mates but honestly after reading everyone's comments I think that they are soul mates. In Throne of Glass they talk about that a bit. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact Feyre was able to see herself from Rhy's eyes when they were under the mountain. I believe she was using his magic.
Laura wrote: "New theory:What if Tamlin can somehow sense whatever bond Rhys and Feyre have on Fire Night?
I'm saying this because in QoS, Aedion can smell Rowan on Aelin an Aelin on Rowan because of their Carr..."
Yes!I honestly think Rhys understands Feyre more and they have a stronger bond,even before he gave her the tattoo. I think that Tamlin and Feyres relationship was a bit rushed but SJM cam build on her and Rhys in the other 2 books.
Completely off course but I found this beautiful pic!
After a second read I don't think Tamlin is as controlling as I first thought. Pretty much everything he tells her to do is for her own safety, not because he wants to control her but he knows how dangerous things are and she is the closest chance they have to breaking the curse so of course he's going to be doing what ever he can to save himself and his people. She also has no clue about her surroundings and the land she's currently living in so he's even more cautious to warn her. When he tells her not to come on fire night it's because a) he knows how unsafe it is and b) knows he can't trust himself around her. Everything he tells her to do is to keep her safe and most of the time she ignores his warnings and almost got herself harmed or killed by ignoring his warnings.
Virginia wrote: "After a second read I don't think Tamlin is as controlling as I first thought. Pretty much everything he tells her to do is for her own safety, not because he wants to control her but he knows how ..."Yeah I think it's probably hard for us to really KNOW him, because so much of his actions was tainted by the curse. Book 2 might give us a more genuine idea of who he is.
What I hope is that, now that she's high fae, he doesn't CONTINUE to constantly try to keep her safe. But rather, helps her master her powers and get stronger.
I don't like my heroines cowering behind their guys. I like them fighting along side them. :P I'm kind of getting the impression that Tam will want to keep Feyre locked up and safe at all times, but I hope I'm wrong. If that's the case, I definitely won't care for them.
WinterRose wrote: "I don't like my heroines cowering behind their guys. I like them fighting along side them. :P I'm kind of getting the impression that Tam will want to keep Feyre locked up and safe at all times, but I hope I'm wrong. If that's the case, I definitely won't care for them. "Yes! I'm really curious as to how Tam acts in the next book. I'm hoping we get to see more of how he really is and I hope he doesn't treat her like she's still a human that needs protecting. I have a bad feeling that he might though and they will clash about that.
Laura wrote: "Tamlin's behavior can go either way next book, and I hope he proves himself to be a better guy. But I suspect he might be the one to play the part of Demeter next book, and she was an overprotectiv..."YES MY FEELINGS EXACTLY. With the whole hades and persephone retelling Tamlin as Demeter would fit perfectly also with his character.
That's actually a very good point. I can see Tamlin taking on the Demeter role for sure.
Laura wrote: "Tamlin's behavior can go either way next book, and I hope he proves himself to be a better guy. But I suspect he might be the one to play the part of Demeter next book, and she was an overprotectiv..."The other part of that story is that Demeter punished the humans by keeping the crops from growing and essentially creating winter. Tamlin being the High Lord of Spring may have some influence on the Spring season in the human world.
Awesome! I liked how he changed in the end!
Thought you guys might find this interesting. Maas was asked if the mating bond is a at first sight kind of thing, or if it takes a while. Answer: "For some it is! For others, it might take a while for it to snap into place. It depends on the people involved."
WinterRose wrote: "Thought you guys might find this interesting. Maas was asked if the mating bond is a at first sight kind of thing, or if it takes a while. Answer: "For some it is! For others, it might take a whi..."
I think the first part of her answer is about Feyre and Rhys and the second part is about Aelin!
Back to the topic, your theory makes sense but I don't see Tam doing something to the human world. He will probably be really really be pissed off and have a breakdown but doing something else ? Hum, He seemed too nive in ACOTAR #1 though if it happens, well, it would be a huge twist!
@ Laura. She said it in a twitter chat yesterday. :)I'm not sure if it happens at the same time to both of them or not. I suspect Maas will have at least one mate bond we'll get to see happen. I don't think she'd write a "mate at first sight" bond though, either way I think she'd write the slow one.
What's interesting is both Rowan and Aelin and Rhys and Feyre show "symptoms" (for lack of a better word lol) of a maybe a mate bond. But Rowan/Aelin are carranum and Rhys/Feyre have whatever bond between them so we don't know for sure if it's just those bonds, or something else.
What if Rhys and Feyre were slowly becoming mates but she assumed these things like him talking in her head or helping her with the second task were because of the tattoo? When in fact, the tattoo is nothing more than what he said - a mark of their bargain? (I don't think this is the case, but it would be funny if it was.)
Why do we have to wait until May! I'm leaning towards Rhys' reaction at the end of the book being because of the mating bond (at least on his end). There's nothing saying it has to be at the same time. I just keep thinking of Rhys' reaction when Feyre was dying. He was screaming her name and and kept trying to save her. I was like, yep, something is going to happen between them.
I think that during the last scene where Rhysand got shock was the time when he found out that Feyre is his MATE!!! I mean they mentioned about having a mate in the book right? That's gotta be it. Well, it's my theory.Shipping Rhys and Feyre here!
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