What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers] Showing 451-500 of 1,663

[Megan]

Or maybe she agrees to the marriage in the hope she can recover faster?

[Sara]

Does anyone know what she was going to say to Rhys before he stumbled back and left?

[Mirou]

Sara wrote: "Does anyone know what she was going to say to Rhys before he stumbled back and left?"

She wanted to ask him what did he saw in her

[Kirti]

I just saw a post that completely pulls a new theory...
https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

I think that there is really no love triangle... After all, it's only a week in the Night Court. And most probably she will witness some dark power/stuff there, that forms the basis of the story? And SJMaas said that there is going to be a wedding. Maybe it gets postponed?

And there is a slight chance that Persephone type characters is actually Nesta. She was the one who was adamant and so sure about not going to Prythian. Even Elain wanted to visit, but not Nesta.

[Sammy]

Josa wrote: "My heart will DIE if Rhys ends up with someone else, I WANT HIM"

Same. Everyone is saying he'll end up with Nesta but I don't want them together

[Tenmodo]

Zarena wrote: "Josa wrote: "My heart will DIE if Rhys ends up with someone else, I WANT HIM"

Same. Everyone is saying he'll end up with Nesta but I don't want them together"

AGREED! I hope nesta doesnt play a big role in it because I want it to be centred around rhys and feyre

[prag ♻]

Laura wrote: "I don't think there is going to be a love triangle. I might be wrong, but I think there is going to be a ship switch.

If many months pass by, then a week per month can be a considerable amount of..."


I completely agree. Personally, I don't like Tamlin and I really want Rhys and Feyre to be together.

[WinterRose]

This is random but something I was thinking about.

What about this pool of STARLIGHT in the spring court? Tamlin says he doesn't know why it's there/where it came from and didn't question it. Seems a bit odd to me that there'd be starlight in the spring court rather than the night court.

[Megan]

Hmm, this is just a theory, but in the legends, Persephone was lured away by Zeus who used flowers. Then hades kidnapped her. Maybe Feyre gets transported there via the pool. Only I am guessing Rhys pushes her into the pool and surprised her.

[Kristin]

I can't remember if they go to the pool before or after Calanmai. If it was before, maybe that's how Rhys saw Feyre in the beginning?

[Vinnie]

Wasn't it before? They started bonding when they visited the pool and then Calanmai happened

[WinterRose]

That's actually a good theory! I'm pretty sure it was before.

[Rachel.27]

I wanna know so bad what Rhysand sees on Feyre's face... I feel like it might be power or something he fears or maybe he just likes her? I thought that all along otherwise she wouldn't have survived the tests... I loove Rhysand <3

And yes, Nesta and Lucien would be soo good together.

[Katie]

Josa wrote: "I know there are so many people vouching for Tamlin but honestly I'm rooting for Rhysand, in my opinion he has done way more for feyre."

Yasss!!! Me too!!

[Liz]

I feel like from just what I've read of the next book and its bio that the look he gave her is because he could sense some new power that comes with her being a high fae now. I feel like maybe he couldn't get in her head or that he saw something in her eyes that just showed power. I really, really, really, don't ship her with him. Fayre and Tamlin are my ship boat for forever. Just thought I'd give you my theory. And somehow I usually end up being right about books. I don't know how but I can always tell who will end up with who. Sorry guys its Fayre and Tamlin XD
This book is super good though and I'm excited for its sequel.
WHICH IS ESTIMATED TO BE COMING OUT MAY 3RD SO BE PREPARED!!!!!

[Arianna]

Does anyone else think maybe he smelled that she was pregnant or something? Idk personal dreams.

[Sammy]

Laura wrote: "Guys, I just came up with a new theory on how faeries recognize their mate.

We all just assumed you have to see through their eyes right? But I just though of another possibility.

"He bowed at th..."

OMG you could be right about that

[Liz]

I honestly don't think its that though, when Tamlin was talking about how his parents were mates, he sounded like they immediately knew they were mates. Like with werewolves. Honestly it would be awesome if she was pregnant with some magical child. I still think when he did it he felt a power radiating off of her. Something that will make her even more unique. That would be cool if she ended up being super powerful but needs to learn to control. I mean a lot of stories are like that but because of the writer I wouldn't mind learning about that.

[Liz]

I also don't like how everyone is just going straight to shipping her with Ryhsand. Yeah he's an okay character, but after everything she went through for her love with Tamlin? Like if you were just gonna switch guys why go to the extremes to save him and his estate? We have to look at Feyre through her eyes. She mostly knows what she wants and yeah there is a possibility but when you've risked everything for someone its hard to just, walk away from that.

[Josa]

only problem about the pregnant theory: when and how would she have gotten pregnant?

[Taylor]

@Josa exactly!!

[Sammy]

Josa wrote: "only problem about the pregnant theory: when and how would she have gotten pregnant?"

True. Plus, I would hate if she got pregnant cuz like we wont get any actions in the books. Maybe at the end, but I'm not sure if getting pregnant now is such a good idea

[Natalia]

I don't think Feyre is pregnant. Because even if she was before she went under the mountain, she suffered so much physical strain and abuse and even died, sort of, and then got turned into Fae. The baby wouldn't have survived this.
And if we consider her sex with Tamlin at the end of the book, before she met Rhysand - come on, guys, you can't detect pregnancy a few HOURS after sex.

And like @Samantha pointed out, id Feyre is pregnant, we won't get any action, because a pregnant woman is an incapacitated woman, and in the world and situation they live in they just cannot afford it. We want to see Feyre develop new powers, getting to know the courts and fighting, not sitting around while everyone is trying to protect her.

[Josa]

But I admit I wouldn't have anything against her getting pregnant later in the book... the reactions would be interesting

[Sammy]

Laura wrote: "Natalia wrote: "I don't think Feyre is pregnant. Because even if she was before she went under the mountain, she suffered so much physical strain and abuse and even died, sort of, and then got turn..."

I agree. Rhysand woudn't run away if she is actually pregnant cuz, like, why would he run away if she's pregnant? why would he be scared if she's pregnant? It just doesn't fit into it. Also, your right, he woudn't run away if she got special power, because Rhysand knows her. I definetly think that Rhysnad runs away because she is his mate, because it just fits right into it. He is scared that the girl that loves someone else is his mate and it would make everything worse. That's just my opinion tho.

[Warda]

You guys have some crazy scenarios, getting me all excited about the sequel. XD

I am wondering if Rhys and Feyre are mates? like Emrys and Malakai from Heir of Fire..even though Sarah clears the concept later that mates are rare, it makes it even more of a exciting possibility. If thats the case, it is going be so messy with that love triangle and how they sort it out.

The way she emphasizes on how Rhys stumbles..it gives off a major point because althrough the book every time he was mentioned, she states how graceful and feline he is.

Especially how his character builds through out the chapters, i love how witty he is! I want him to hold a significant value in Feyre's life like Aedion or Rowan for Celaena. Can't wait for the sequel!

[Liz]

Josa wrote: "only problem about the pregnant theory: when and how would she have gotten pregnant?"

Uh her and Tamlin did "it" more than once...

[Liz]

Also her and Tamlin did have many times of intercourse, before she even went back home they had sex about 2-3 times, and then after they reunited they did it again. Guys her and Tamlin legit had sex more than once in the book.and true about the physical things she went through but when the Fae high lords turned her into a High Fae, she was completely healed, if she were pregnant it could have healed the child if any damaged had been caused by it.

[ange]

Liz wrote: "Also her and Tamlin did have many times of intercourse, before she even went back home they had sex about 2-3 times, and then after they reunited they did it again. Guys her and Tamlin legit had se..."

but why didn't Tam noticed it?And srsly,we all know Rhysand. NOTHING can surprise him ,so why would he be surprised if she is pregnant ? It just doesn't fit and it wouldn't really fit into the plot at all (like Natalia said)

[Liz]

Tam might not have noticed it because of scent reasons, Rhysand maybe able to know because of scent reasons, and Ryhsand can be surprised too, anyone in a book can be surprised, he was surprised she didn't know how to read. And it could take much longer for her to figure out shes pregnant, we've never really had a hero who has been pregnant and not realize it. Most books have it where when they get pregnant its just special treatment. But throw a pregnant hero into the book, not knowing shes pregnant, but yet still being a hero and dealing with why she has morning sickness. It could add a lot to the book and some people have said the book is slow paced because it goes day by day. That would be really well for this because we could still get action and figure out if shes pregnant or not. Idk I myself don't want her to be pregnant but I definitely don't want a love triangle. Like she went through how much just to prove her love for Tam. I prefer my theory of her just having more powers than what they expected. But there is the possibility of her being pregnant. We can't be sure what to expect.

[Natalia]

Even *if* Feyre was pregnant before she was turned Fae, she would have had a miscarriage because of all the things she experienced Under the Mountain. Guys, did you forget that she almost died there? That Amarantha kicked her with her feet and shattered her bones? No pregnancy would have survived that.

[WinterRose]

I agree with you Natalia. Also happy to see you here in this thread! :D I think Feyre did in fact die. And was only "there" because she was in Rhysand's head.

I feel like someone as ancient as Rhysand isn't going to be scared off by a newly made Fae with powers. HE is plenty powerful himself. The only power that miiiight frighten him would be if she had the same ones as him. Mainly because I think the idea of anyone getting through his armor would make him uneasy. But I think the idea of a mate would frighten him more, especially if his mate happens to currently be in love with another High Lord.

Aside from romantic drama, that could potentially lead to conflict between courts. I'd hope Tamlin wouldn't start a war over it, especially if Feyre willingly chooses Rhysand/the night court, but it's still something to consider.

[WinterRose]

I agree Laura. The next book seems to deal with Feyre trying to cope emotionally from what happened, as well as learning to use her powers. Seems like the night court will also play a big role and she'll get involved with it. I'm about 98% sure Rhysand will have Feyre stay the last week of a month, then the first week of the next month, so that she's there two weeks in a row.

I wonder if eventually she'll CHOOSE to stay longer, or return to the night court more than during her official week stays. I personally think this will happen, as she'll become very wrapped up in the night court and possibly feel like she belongs there more so than in spring.

[aqsa]

I wish I could more actively join the discussions again but I'm so wrapped up in final exams!!
The only thing I came here to say is that I 100% back what @Rose @Nat and @Laura said!

Very very plausible for whatever Rhys saw in the end of ACOTAR to be regarding a sort of power within Feyre, that is akin to his own or the possibility of Feyre as a mate.
The latter makes me believe that if it is the case, Rhysand must have been mulling over the fact for a long while (which is why he is absent and hasn't been to Feyre in a while after the events of ACOTAR) but then BAM! he crashes her wedding in style. (Based on the mate theory- once he's wrapped his head around it- he'd probably relish causing all that havoc LMAO)
About having similar powers- very plausible! You would think that Feyre would be seeing herself through Tamlin's eyes when she temporarily died, but instead Feyre sees through Rhysand's eyes. (I always wonder if Rhys knew about it happening? Probably not.) And Feyre and Rhys did sort of become as one when that happens- they connected at some point so it wouldn't be unjustified to rule out them having shared attributes- not even just in terms of power- but also in terms of beast form. For those following Maas's pinterest board, you know what I'm talking about!

Regardless of what route Maas takes (anything other than a baby story! Yikes) I'm excited to read about it.

I'll be back soon! Have fun discussing!

[WinterRose]

Miss you Aqsa! Good luck with your exams. :D

I do wonder if Rhysand realized they were mates, if he purposely stayed away/didn't bring her to the night court. Maybe only when he found out about the wedding did the bond really snap into place and he could no longer ignore it.

HAHA what if he announces it at the wedding. Wouldn't that be interesting. Because let's consider it.

If he shows up before the wedding and takes Feyre, Tamlin may assume she's missing/something happened to her if Rhysand doesn't inform him. If he does inform him, Tamlin will be PISSED.

If he shows up during the wedding..that's just a huge scene. Tamlin won't let Feyre go. But..if Rhysand announced they were mates, what would Tamlin do then? Would he feel compelled to let Feyre go, knowing the mate bond is an ancient magical bond? Could Tamlin marry someone he knew was mated to someone else? I feel like that may be a boundary the fae wouldn't cross.

[[deleted user]]

And even if she was, given that if was pregant, she'd show some kind of symtoms--hell, I think they would be more drastic since the baby is half fae. I mean seriously, I think she'd atleast experience something off about herself if she was.

[Kelly]

I love all the ideas in this thread - they are all so amazing!

Looking at this scene, I honestly think that the mating bond theory is honestly the strongest.

First, I'll say that I really, really hope that the pregnancy thing isn't actually a thing. First, it doesn't really fit in with the whole big war going on (Feyre looks like she's going to be in the thick of it), but also when main female characters becomes pregnant in YA, it kind of takes over the whole plot (Twilight anyone?).

Those feelings aside, I also don't think Rhys recognized that she was pregnant because 1) why would we get a reaction from Rhys, but hear nothing from Tamlin's end? If Rhys could sense it, I would think the father would too? (Since Feyre wouldn't know, it's not like Rhys's bond with her would give him an advantage in this case). 2) If she had been pregnant from having sex with Tam way earlier in ACOTAR, there is no way the baby would have survived after all the abuse and trauma her body suffered. Also, she was Under the Mountain for over 3 months and it sounds like she was with her family for several weeks before that; I would think Feyre would have noticed if she had stopped menstruating or had any other pregnancy signs. 3) It seems highly unlikely that anyone could sense she was pregnant after only just having sex with Tamlin about 2 hours previously. 4) Why would Rhys be shocked and afraid to the point of fleeing because of a baby? That seems rather out of character, honestly. It doesn't add up for me.

As for him potentially recognizing her power, that seems more likely, but I still have reservations. We had no indication from ACOTAR that the fae can sense other's powers just by smelling or seeing them. Yes, Rhys can read minds, but it's not like Feyre herself recognizes that she has powers, so why would that power give him insight? I could see extreme powers shocking him for a moment, but fleeing? That still doesn't settle right for me.

The mate theory makes the most sense to me. Look at the passage:

"'Well, good-bye for now,' he said, rolling his neck as if we hadn't been talking about anything important at all. He bowed at the waist, those wings vanishing entirely, and had begun to fade into the nearest shadow when he went rigid.

His eyes locked on mine, wide and wild, and his nostrils flared. Shock--pure shock flashed across his features at whatever he saw on my face, and he stumbled back a step. Actually STUMBLED."

Alright, so first, Rhys recognizes whatever it is when he's not even looking at Feyre. He is bowed at the waist, looking down when he goes rigid. My idea? In this moment, I think he either had the whole looking out of the other's eyes moment that Feyre had during the battle, or he smelled the bond somehow. The next line mentions that his "nostrils flared" - he smells some type of scent. Smelling a power doesn't really make sense here, but if the mating bond/fae instincts are anything like the TOG series, we know the fae are really primal and they can smell bond/scents on each other. (Just think of Aedion being able to smell Rowan on Aelin.)

The mating bond idea is further supported by the other part of that sentence: "His eyes locked on mind, wide and wild". Again, this could be a parallel with the whole seeing out of the other's eyes/battle moment earlier, or it could be a sign of his shock. But more than simply staring at Feyre, Rhys's eyes are WILD. His eyes wouldn't be wild if he was simply shocked at finding an unknown power. Wild seems to hint at the more base/animalistic nature of the fae, which we have usually seen either with their desire or anger. (Think Tamlin's lust or Rhys's brief anger in the dark hallway when he almost lost control over his "baser" side.) He's not angry here, so I'd guess it's closer to the shock/desire end of the spectrum. If he just instinctively recognized Feyre as his mate, it's not surprising that his "baser" side would slip to the fore in this moment, even as his shock locks him into place. Which I wouldn't blame him. He's several hundred years old and just found out that not only is his mate an ex-human, but she's also in love with another High Lord. Left field for him, much?

And finally the fleeing. A mating bond makes Rhys vulnerable in a way he would never have expected. We don't know much about the nature of the mating bond in the ACOTAR world beyond the fact that it is incredibly strong--stronger than a marriage bond. Being his mate may enable Feyre to get past Rhys's walls in a way no one else would be able to (which would pretty scary for someone who is used to keeping his cards close to his chest). More importantly, if this type of bond is so overwhelming (and even irrational), Rhys has a right to be afraid: this bond could easily tip the Night Court and the Spring Court into an all-out war, which he has been trying to avoid since they just escaped Amarantha's clutches. A war between the courts would lead to catastrophic losses on both sides, which has the added negative of leaving both courts weaker in the face of the threat from Hybern. So Rhys's reaction here makes sense; he wouldn't act on the bond right away. He'd be the strategist and get the heck out of there. And we know that he doesn't call in the deal for at least several weeks after ACOTAR. It seems like he's probably avoiding Feyre, until her wedding to Tamlin forces his hand and he wedding crashes with style.

Anyway, those are my ideas. What do you guys think?

[Mirou]

Aww, I missed this discussion!
@Kelly, excellent points, I think the same as you. The wedding scene is going to be epic.

Do you think Tamlin will notice their bond - if our theory is the right one ? We talked about Rhysand smelling the bond but do you think it's possible to another Fae to smell it ?

[[deleted user]]

Here's mine: Rhys is her mate.

It's why Feyre says he is the MOST beautiful man she's ever seen. Why their conversations/interactions seemed more meaningful than any she's ever had with Tamlin. Why SJM had to have her bonded to him to come to Night Court and "do time". Why he's the most complex of all the males in the story. We've pretty much figured Tamlin out--but we've barley scratched the surface of Rhys. SJM took time to build Rhys up, give him edge and mystery (as a writer myself, seeing that much complexity in a character tells me two things: they're important, or a main love-interest). It's why SJM used him as Feyre's rock--NOT Tamlin-- during her trials. Why Rhys fought so hard to save her in the end. Why she had that fever dream about the Night Court saying the one that she loves is there. (which may be another male because honestly, Rhys wasn't there, he was Under the Mountain with her. LOL I'm joking)


The writing speaks for itself. When you see the big picture, connect the dots, everything becomes focused, crystallized. Rhys is her mate and I can't wait for him to crash her wedding like the rude BAMF he is. >:)

[Sammy]

Kelly wrote: "I love all the ideas in this thread - they are all so amazing!

Looking at this scene, I honestly think that the mating bond theory is honestly the strongest.

First, I'll say that I really, really..."

This is such an amazing point. I was honestly thinking the same thing and you took the words right out of my mouth.

[Maria]

I love Tamlin but I also found myself drawn to Rhysand. I had to actually turn back a few pages to when Tamlin and Feyre were together to remind myself why I liked Tamlin. I don't know which character I like more. Every time I read a book with a love triangle, I can never decide between which character I like more. Ugh! Why do love triangles always make me feel so confused! It's like Shatter Me all over again!

Also Feyre went through a lot in order to be with Tamlin. And she seems to have stronger feelings for Tamlin then she does for Rhysand. But who knows. Maybe in the next book she'll feel more for Rhysand. I would definitely love to see him more in the next book and find out more about his character.

[Liz]

Honestly if she were to get pregnant I'd hope it'd be in book 3 or 4. Right now is the time for adventures and learning more about the characters, I for sure hope that its her and Tamlin for forever. But can we please have lucien with her oldest sister, like please? That'd be perfect.

[[deleted user]]

Holy shit I love these theories so much, you guys put so much thought on them!!

I'll always stay with an oldie but goodie, that Feyre is Rhysand's mate. We don't really know much about mates and how it works, but wasn't it supossed to be that they recognized each other pretty much right away? I think mates was only between faes which would explain why Feyre and Tamlin weren't but after she was turned their feelings remained the same; there was no change or wild instinct taking over them so my guess is they aren't mates. Which takes me to think, what if Tamlin finds his mate and it's not Feyre? Just something I've been wondering.

There is also the possibility that Feyre is either the descendant of some powerful fae line or is the reencarnation of some powerful fae.

Sarah J Mass did say that ACOTAR and TOG are in the same megaverse so who knows? Maybe Feyre is one of Celaena's ancesters or something like that :P

[Megan]

Ooh, good theory Mila. What if Feyre had a really powerful fairy ancestor like Aelin but the bloodline got really diluted with human lines? When she finally became a fairy, her fairy heritage was awakened?

[[deleted user]]

Megan wrote: "Ooh, good theory Mila. What if Feyre had a really powerful fairy ancestor like Aelin but the bloodline got really diluted with human lines? When she finally became a fairy, her fairy heritage was a..."
That's a possibility! Well, since we know so little anything could be a possiblity haahha but considering how the blurb of ACOMAF promised Feyre harnessing her gifts and being a key to an upcoming conflict, it seems possible! I know some suggested that maybe her ancestor had what Feyre went through (turning into a Fae) but in reverse and he/she was stripped off that magic, only to return to Feyre once she was turned, like you said ;)

[[deleted user]]

Laura wrote: "I also think it's a good theory, but then the bloodline would have to be the mothers, because there is no way her father has any fae blood, and Sarah was asked if we would find out anything new abo..."

The father is kind of weird though, for me at least. I don't why but that scene when Feyre said how her dad had paid a traveller to draw protecting runes on their door always stuck with me. Why was it mentioned? Because yes, it would be to show how everything they thought about Faes was wrong but I always felt like there was something else in that. Maybe her father knew something? Or not hahah.

So maybe she could be a reincarnation and nobody noticed until after she was a Fae? Or I don't know :P

[WinterRose]

Maybe Feyre is one of Celaena's ancesters or something like that :P

It's funny you mention this because in Heir of Fire, Celaena finds this mini iron figurine of a goddess holding a BOW AND QUIVER with a STAR for a crown. As soon as I saw that I thought "omg that sounds like Feyre if she becomes High Lady of the night court."

Deanna in ToG is referenced as being Keeper of the Moon. And her SISTER Mala is the Sun Goddess. In this passage, I think the two in the middle are supposed to be Deanna and Mala:

Celaena quickly looked away from the two females in the center--one crowned with a star and armed with a bow and quiver, the other bearing a polished bronze disk upheld between her raised hands. She could have sworn she felt them watching her.

Deanna was also known as the Lady of the Hunt. I mean come on now. Lady of the Hunt AND Keeper of the Moon?

Then her RIVAL SISTER Mala, Lady of Light, Learning and Fire. (Flames painted on Nesta's door ring a bell?)

What if the legends of Deanna and Mala stem from Feyre and Nesta? ACOTAR already reads like it takes place before ToG anyway.

[[deleted user]]

I've only read TOG but that sounds really cool! You think maybe Nesta will marry Tam or she'll become a Fae too? Feyre always said that the two were two sides of the same coin, too different and too similar at the same time which would correlate with the Sun and the Moon!

[WinterRose]

Gabrielle - Four's ma bae wrote: "That sounds so awesome! I would love for that to happen :) When you say rival sister does that mean Feyre and Nesta are going to have some beef in the next few books??"

I feel like they always have, lol. They somewhat make up, but Nesta was AWFUL to Feyre in the beginning, and likely had been for years.

I'm hoping Nesta will end up with Lucien. (After some development. Can't say I was a big fan of her in ACOTAR)

[Tiffany]

Well the first time I read that part, I thought that something bad had happened relating to the King of Hybern and that his disappearance would be the basis for the next book. But then it was revealed that the next story would be based on the myth Hades and Persephone, and when I read the book again, I thought that maybe Feyre is Rhys's mate.

There is definitely a love triangle coming :))))) I love Rhys but I really hope she stays with Tamlin after everything she did for him. And I ship Nesta and Rhysand ;)