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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
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Exactly. This is kind of like her panicking with the damned soul bit. She'll need time to heal and really FACE it to see just exactly what she did. And I think we were right when we said instead of talking to Tamlin, they'll just have sex so she can avoid it. That won't work with Rhysand. Not at first >=] Considering the 600+ pages I think it's safe to say she'll be a part of the night court by the end of it. But besides the night court I think she'll have two main problems: family and Hybern.
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Guys, were are being so spoiled! ANOTHER quote!http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/140...
For those who can't read it for some reason: "Don't let the hard days win."
I'm wondering who says this? Maybe Lucien? I could see it being someone else as well, though.
Kelly wrote: "Guys, were are being so spoiled! ANOTHER quote!http://worldofsarahjmaas.com/post/140...
Ahhh thank you, Kelly! This is great. I love that March is now the month of spoilers and teasers. :D FINALLY.
I also wonder if Lucien says this! It could be Rhys too. (Or maybe its a potential Night Court character we haven't met yet who befriends Feyre and says these words to her.)
Although, I feel like it's certainly someone who is close to Feyre and understands what she has been through.
I hesitate to say Tamlin because if he KNEW what Feyre was going through, or knew that she was still experiencing a "hard time", then he might not have continued on with the wedding.
So Lucien and Rhys are strong candidates. But yeah- that's what I think!
I really hope we get a chapter or so! A completely non-spoilery chapter but SOMETHING longer that can satiate my thirst till May.
About damn time we get some teasers, even if they're so small. Where's the chapter releases like ALL her other books? lol Of course the one I'm most looking forward to is stingy on releasing chapters early. 600+ pages and yet we can't get more than a sentence, lol. But that quote sounds like Alis--or possibly Lucien or Rhys.
I hesitate to say Lucien right away. If Lucien knew just how bad Feyre is suffering right now, he would tell Tamlin. I think she's going to hide from both. This could be Alis or Rhys or any other night court member she befriends. I'm glad Feyre will get the therapy she needs lol.
Okay, so I read the excerpt on the back cover and am I the only one who thinks this in NOT the wedding but rather another scene of the book ?Here is my theory. It's simple. This scene is set in the Night Court, and Feyre probably got herself into trouble [Again] but Rhys came to "Save" her.
Why the Night Court ?
Easy :
1. "The night drifting away like smoke in the wind"
2. "A few vanishing outright" And we know that this "vanishing" thing is more likely to be a Night Court feature.
Feyre gets herself into trouble.
"My soul, my eternal soul was damned-"
This sentence is way too dramatic to be used in a wedding context. She is definitely in a bad situation.
Rhys "saving" Feyre.
Did anyone observ his annoyed attitude ? He appeared "straightening the lapels of this black jacket"
I always pictured the wedding of Feyre and Tamlin with flowers around, in the middle of the day, with a lot of sun and everything and THEN, Rhys will come but he wouldn't have this "annoyed" attitude but rather smug about his entrance.
1) I think that the picture of Feyre with a crown looks like roses and thorns and possibly a depiction of the crown she was wearing on her wedding day, like some brides where tiaras instead of a veil.2) It does sound like the tidbit on the cover refers to Rhys coming to Feyre's wedding day, however, I do agree that there seems to be a bit of an annoyance factor, and I can't help but think that Tam was trying to sneak this wedding past Rhys, possibly even as an attempt of Tam's to try and make it difficult/effect the one week a month deal Feyre made with Rhys; Rhys finds out and puts a stop to it. IDK, everyone time I read Rhys appearance in the tidbit for some reason I keep picturing Maleficient appearing in Sleeping Beauty without an invite to the baby's celebration. Of course, Maleficient's appearance was absolutely amazing, IMO, so maybe that's part of it- the power, pissed as hell, and yet complete control of the situation, that always made Maleficient so compelling.
3) Will Feyre marry Tam or will she end up in a relationship with Rhys? Honestly, I think the story can go any way. I think regardless, Feyre will eventually learn to accept what happened under the mountain, what she did, and herself. When she does, she may decide she is "good" enough for Tam. She may decide that she doesn't love Tam that way (which IMO, I think if this is the case she will have the hardest time struggling with what she did under the mountain because she did it for her love for Tam and if she isn't in love with him, she will probably struggle with the thought that what the Queen said about human hearts was true and she no longer had the justification for the things that she has done). Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying she should feel this way, just that I think she will feel this way do to all the guilt and trauma, which will go up a notch if she ends up with anyone other than Tam. Also, as pointed out by other posters, when it comes to Maas, you never know who the character is going to end up with, I'm just hoping for a believable rid. Personally, I prefer Feyre with Rhys because they just seem to click (I have a hard time putting it into words but this sort of understanding/connection. That being said, I don't think that Feyre would have mated with Rhys by the end of the last book; the events so far like Feyre being inside of Rhys are moving towards the possibility of Feyre and Rhys mating and the original link in Feyre's tattoo stronger because of this connection that it otherwise should be.
4) I think Rhys stumble near the end of the first book had something to do with the Night Court and what's been going on there, which is probably a freaking mess, and something Rhys will need help with.
5) Lastly, I think Feyre needs some time with Rhys to heal, and also may end up liking the much more dangerous Night Court better than the Spring Court or at least feel more at home there. I know there are all the references to Hades/Persephone and I remember a poem I read based on Eurydice and Orpheus, where Orpheus comes to bring her back from the Underworld and Hades agrees as long as he doesn't look back until they are in the land of the living; Eurydice in the poem wants to stay in the Underworld so she keeps purposefully trying to get Orpheus look back.
Mirou wrote: "Okay, so I read the excerpt on the back cover and am I the only one who thinks this in NOT the wedding but rather another scene of the book ?Here is my theory. It's simple. This scene is set in t..."
Good theory! But I think all the high Fae can vanish--Lucien does so under the mountain. I don't think Rhys appearing would cause his own people to flip out and vanish on the spot if this scene takes place in the Night Court.
I think the night swirling in is because Rhys is appearing in style, lol. Whenever he appeared in Feyre's cell, often it started with clouds of darkness and then he appeared. This is a bit more of a dramatic entrance, but still the same idea that he'd appear from the darkness.
Rhys often flicked invisible lint off his clothes, so I think straightening his jacket is just him being him, honestly. Not so much him being annoyed. I also don't think he'd be purring "hello, Feyre darling" if he was annoyed. lol
Whoa I never thought of the idea of Tamlin having the wedding at night to escape Rhysand. But that's the question now. What will Tamlin do?? Lucien said they will work on it but I get the feeling deals don't go away in the night court. And Lucien vanished as well so it's definitely not a night court thing exclusively. Rhys sounded pretty smug to me honestly. He preened like he does. The cat that is about to eat the canary
Olya- I don't think that deals go away easy either, but I believe Tamlin will look for a loophole/try to strongarm Rhysand to end the deal Feyre made with Rhysand; and Rhys taking the lady of the Spring Court rather than the girlfriend of the high lord would make it more difficult as the people of the Spring court might be more adverse to letting this happen.If Rhys caught on and crashed the wedding, he would feel like the cat that ate the canary, because he destroyed Tamlin's plans and showed up like a BAMF. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be pleased with himself and pissed off if he believes Tamlin is tring to get Feyre out of the deal.
I don't get the impression, however, that Feyre by the end of ACOTAR was trying to get out of the deal she made with Rhysand. At the end of the book, it's Feyre that reminds Rhys of the deal they made when he insinuates that won't being seeing each other for a while. It's Tamlin who once he reunites with Feyre states he will get her out of the deal she made. Again from the cover of ACOMAF, it states that Feyre means to uphold her end of the bargain. In a weird way, I feel like the struggle over the deal Feyre made for one week a month is between Tamlin and Rhysand, not Feyre and Rhysand.
Lol preened. That's the word I was looking for. I love the scene where Feyre spits at him and he just looks at her disapproving. He's such a cat. Like that's his spirit animal.Tamlin will no doubt try to stop Feyre from going, but he also has to know he can't break a bargain like that. And I suspect he knows he can't fight Rhys, either. He has a tendency to be compliant where Rhys is concerned whether it's out of knowing Rhys is stronger, or old habits if Rhys was once his mentor of sorts.
I agree, Katie. I think by the end of ACOTAR Feyre has accepted the deal. The summary does point out that Feyre hasn't forgotten about it. Not that she needed reminding.That's also a good point about Tamlin thinking a marriage will make it harder for Feyre to uphold the bargain, since that'd make her lady of the spring court. I think he'd want to marry her anyway, but he may rush into it to avoid the bargain.
Exactly. That's the only loophole I can think of, that it doesn't really exist anymore. Hence why Rhysand came to say goodbye to Feyre at the end of ACOTAR. Ahh, the tattoo. Here's something to consider. Assuming we're correct and this bargain is void, then how did Rhysand summon Feyre from a dead sleep? Either he has those abilities, it's the tattoo and the bargain is still in tact, it's the tattoo because the bargain had nothing to do with the tattoo but was simply a cover up to get the tattoo on her, or it's a mating thing.
That's an interesting theory on the whole sunset thing! There's also a chance the border's of the spring court were opened for the wedding, assuming there could be members of other courts there. Or maybe high lord's are powerful enough that they can enter other courts regardless.
Well let's look at it this way. Deals are sealed magically. If her death brought the deal to pass, Tamlin would have known and felt it. I think that this deal gives Rhysand a right to claim and control Feyre by magic to a certain extent. That's why he can probably show up. (Notice! When he made that deal with Feyre he was very specific to say he will show up at a time of his choosing to start her week). And if Tamlin is trying to have this wedding in secret at all, it's because he's desperate. Somehow I believe the tattoo is responsible for this lasting. It's not merely just for show, but something that truly binds beyond mortality. And maybe Rhys didn't forget? It sounded like he was being mockingly petulant with Feyre. Plus he was thinking of his court. It wasn't until he sensed the bond did that throw him for a loop and we get to see his rare reactions with no cover of humor.
Would he, though? No one seemed to even be aware that tattoo gave Rhys the power to communicate with Feyre. Keep in mind, also, Tamlin never even knew about the bargain until Rhysand announced it. So I don't think he can feel any of that--since it's between Rhys and Feyre.I'm personally not convinced the bargain and tattoo are related. I'm wondering if the tattoo does somehow link Feyre and Rhys, but wasn't necessary for a bargain. It was just used as an excuse to Amarantha so she wouldn't question why Feyre was tattooed.
Maybe what Rhysand did was give Feyre some of his power. He didn't need a tattoo to mind control those guards to leave Feyre alone. But maybe what he did was allow a two way connection to open. I'll be interested to see if she can actually talk to him inside his head the way he did her during the second task.
What makes it tricky is it's hard to tell if what's happening is simply his own powers, the bargain, the tattoo, or a mate thing. Because it can all nearly be excused for any of those reasons. Which is probably why Sarah set it up this way. :P
Do you think the eye of the tattoo really was like, a window for him to see?
Tamlin froze up and kept looking at the tattoo when Feyre came out with Rhysand. Tamlin knows just how powerful Rhys is, so maybe he'd know more about it? Amarantha wouldn't and neither would others as much. But Tamlin and Rhys were friends. He might not know exactly what the tattoo is only that its powerful. The reason I chalk it up to magic is because logically with her death she should be free. And Tamlin would know guaranteed. You have to be super specific with deals. So even if Tamlin closed off the walls, Rhysand would still be able to enter because the magic would recognize that he's going for Feyre. And that's another thing. I think we will see just how tangible magic really is in their world and lives. I mean they were practically powerless before. Anything else will be hard for Sarah to explain although she certainly can do it. I mean she had everyone enslaved for 49 years all because of a little wording! Now the tattoo I think he gave her for communication. To help her in general and to use all weapons he can to keep her alive. I just don't think he knew what the fates had in store and he got more than he bargained for lol. Somehow the tattoo latched onto the bond is what I'm guessing. I do think he could see her through the tattoo and feel her emotions and just generally be more connected to her than his usual.
I don't think Feyre truly died. Her soul left her body but, philosophically speaking, that's not truly dying. She was self-aware during her time outside of her body. Her soul did not dissipate and therefore her life did not end. In much of fantasy, a body is just a shell and it's the soul that matters. Looking at it this way, her life did not end and so the bargain would still be binding.
I just saw the synopsis sneak peek of ACOMAF on facebook. So i am guessing that is Rhysand's appearance at the wedding.
Katie wrote: " It's Tamlin who once he reunites with Feyre states he will get her out of the deal she made. Again from the cover of ACOMAF, it states that Feyre means to uphold her end of the bargain. In a weird way, I feel like the struggle over the deal Feyre made for one week a month is between Tamlin and Rhysand, not Feyre and Rhysand. "
Well, one of the things I liked most about Feyre is the fact that she never goes back on her word. She promised Rhys a week a month and she intends to keep that promise. I'm relieved that Rhys stopped the wedding from happening because if Feyre said yes she would have stayed married to Tamlin even if she realized later that she didn't really want to.
Also, I can't find the post now, but someone said earlier that they were worried that since ACOMAF is based off the myth of Hades and Persephone that maybe Rhys would start to develop onesided feelings for Feyre. From what I remember of the original hymn, it's Persephone who actually chooses to eat the pomegranate seeds:
"But he [Hadês] gave her, stealthily, the honey-sweet berry of the pomegranate to eat, peering around him."
He "stealthily" gave her the seeds, and I don't think there is a really stealthy way to force seeds into someone's mouth, so my interpretation here is that he slipped her the seeds into her hand or something (because Hermes was standing not too far off and waiting to take Persephone back to her mother), and Persephone ate them before leaving the Underworld.
Laura wrote: " The thing is, what I think and some here agree is that the bargain has already ended. It was for the rest of Feyre's life and she died."
So this brings me to a point/headcanon I wanted to make. I agree with the speculation that Feyre's bargain is technically void since she died, and I also have this headcanon that Rhys will tell her this sometime in ACOMAF (probably after she's spent some time there though) and Feyre will choose to keep the tattoo/bond/bargain she has with Rhys, similar to how Persephone chose to eat the pomegranate seed Hades gave her.
WinterRose wrote: "I'm personally not convinced the bargain and tattoo are related. I'm wondering if the tattoo does somehow link Feyre and Rhys, but wasn't necessary for a bargain. It was just used as an excuse to Amarantha so she wouldn't question why Feyre was tattooed."
I agree with this. When he said that bargains are marked with tattoos in the Night Court was probably (or definitely) a lie. And I definitely think Feyre and Rhys will be able to communicate through their thoughts. I also think that will piss Tamlin off a lot.
Laura wrote: "And somehow the fact she is able to flash between her body as his, in her own words, with a snap, says a lot to me. It doesn't seem tattoo related."Yeeeees. I think this is evidence in favor of the mate bond theory. Rhys and Feyre didn't meet again after the whole flashing-from-his-body-to-mine thing until later. Maybe that's when Rhys realized there was some other bond between them other than the tattoo? (I dunnooooo I just want this book to come out pronto, ir at least more teasers)
"The situations and the wording are too similar. "
I know and it's slowly killing me inside.
About the tattoo, I don't think him summoning Feyre from her sleep was tattoo related.I think it might be Rhysand's own abilities, because by then he's fully back to power. Plus he was waiting for her as if he consciously summoned her. Which would mean if it was a mating bond, than he already knew about it. (And we're all assuming, I think, that it wasn't until the very end when he had that shocked look on his face, that he figure it out.)
But I do remember during one of Amarantha's parties Feyre mentions that Rhysand hadn't "summoned" her yet. That could be literally, or figuratively. But she does usually mention something about her left arm whenever he uses the bond, so I'm not sure.
I agree though that the use of the word "snap" is important. I think it's mentioned that Lucien was waiting for the mating bond to snap into place between himself and his former lover.
The theory I saw and like a lot is that when you mate with your other, you snap into them and essentially see yourself through their eyes. I think that is what possibly happened to Rhys--he saw himself through Feyre's eyes and knew what it meant.
I think Rhys will crash the wedding to make sure Feyre won't regret marrying Tamlin when she is Rhys's mate. Their feelings are complicated but I have a feeling that he does intend on pursuing Feyre. Eventually--one day--when everything is better. After his court is better. However, his jealousy/ annoyed outlook of Tamlin and the mate bond will end up causing him to do so sooner rather than later. The rest of spring court has pushed the bargain to the back of their mind. My guess is that Feyre has been avoiding her feelings and pretends like everything is okay...and the wedding is where her feelings start to crash down. And then Rhys 'saved' her (though he comes off as the villain once again).
Kristin wrote: "I don't think Feyre truly died. Her soul left her body but, philosophically speaking, that's not truly dying. She was self-aware during her time outside of her body. Her soul did not dissipate and ..."I didn't think of it this way but wow I love it. Not to mention the strange circumstances with her bond to Rhysand. She was in his body not floating to the "other" or seeing that bright light. That is a legit explanation Sarah can use. I would.
WinterRose wrote: "About the tattoo, I don't think him summoning Feyre from her sleep was tattoo related.I think it might be Rhysand's own abilities, because by then he's fully back to power. Plus he was waiting fo..."
Bless this post. I agree that we are underestimating Rhysand's abilities. And I don't think the tattoo was ever meant for Feyre to have power over him (to feel what he feels). That could have been an accident since I agree about Laura's theory about the thread in fire night. They already seemed to have a connection that was in slumber. The tattoo and them being around each other is what awoke it. Hence the snap. But Rhys didn't know all that or else of course he wouldn't have done it. And if somebody questions a bond-- Feyre had intense chemistry with him since the beginning. There's no coincidence and it's ironic given he's the scariest.
CatcherR wrote: "I think Rhys will crash the wedding to make sure Feyre won't regret marrying Tamlin when she is Rhys's mate. Their feelings are complicated but I have a feeling that he does intend on pursuing Feyr..."Yes his court comes first. And I think he comes for her at the last minute because of his inner turmoil regarding Feyre. He's shocked and especially after living with Amarantha for so long he doesn't have time for this. But Feyre marrying Tamlin would be worse for him. Bonds are such a sacred thing. That's what I think will make Tamlin stop pursuing any way of getting Feyre back, when he finds out. Fate/Cauldron chooses this bond so it's a big deal.
I think Feyre will leave Tamlin first and ask to stay at Night Court. Do you guys think that Feyre going to Rhys will be a scandal? Like Lucien-switching-to-spring big or what? I can't wait to see what everything else thinks. Even if Feyre does find out about the bond, She won't necessarily tell Tamlin. They don't have a spill-all-your-guts relationship (as in many Ya novels). Feyre keeps everyone on a need to know basis.
I think Tamlin will just assume that Rhys stole his girlfriend out of pure maliciousness. And that's where the interview's 'consequences' will come into play--Tamlin's rage at Rhys.
We don't know, either, if a mating bond offers any sort of...magical traits. Like can you sense when the other is near? Is it at all like being carranum in ToG where Aelin and Rowan could share their powers? Stuff like that, we don't know yet. Feyre ASSUMES the reason she felt Rhys's sadness was the tattoo, but maybe it was just the mating bond starting to open. I agree that I don't think he would purposely give her something that gave her access to his mind, but I do think he would if he believed he had no choice, and Feyre wouldn't figure out how to access it, or if he believed he was too strong for her to penetrate his mind.
The other thing is...can Rhys do the things he did with the tattoo, without it? Let's look at what, magically, the tattoo did. (Just using the examples where Feyre felt her arm tingle first. Anything else isn't as certain.) She felt it tingle when Rhys entered her mind and spoke to her. Can he do this without a tattoo? Then the scene where Feyre reached for the lever and her hand seared in pain. Again, because of the tattoo or can Rhys do that anyway?
What if the tattoo is a branding. Like he branded her a member of the Night Court, and he has the ability to control every member of his court. So he made her a "member" of his court so he'd have full access to her mind and body in order to help her. Maybe that's also why he needed her to agree to go there. She can't be considered a member of the night court if she's never there?
CatcherR wrote: "I think Feyre will leave Tamlin first and ask to stay at Night Court. Do you guys think that Feyre going to Rhys will be a scandal? Like Lucien-switching-to-spring big or what? I can't wait to se..."
I don't know, honestly. The Fae have a different...moral code than humans, first of all. What humans may consider a scandal, the Fae may not. We don't know the relations between the courts, either. Feyre will likely be viewed as a hero by many. If she turns out to be Rhysand's mate and that comes out, I don't think people will view it as a scandal at all. I think the Fae likely see mates as a very definite thing, something you don't break apart but rather, something rare and to be valued.
I don't think Rhysand would drop the mate card on the wedding day, but he could. It would avoid Tamlin retaliating. He knows the power and honor of a mating bond. I don't think he's going to go into a fit of rage and attack Rhys if he knew a mate bond existed. But he could tell Tamlin without telling Feyre. Because I think the reader will find out when Feyre does, and I don't think Rhys will be the one to tell her.
Something I'm pretty sure is going to cause conflict between Feyre and Tamlin and eventually between her and the Spring Court is that she is going to start to take Rhysand's side on thingsAgreed, and I have a feeling it will be in relation to Hybern. Maybe Rhys wants Feyre to practice and use her powers against Hybern. Whereas I can see Tamlin wanting Feyre to stay in a protective bubble and let him take care of things.
I have a theory the mating bond encompasses the carranam qualities and then some more.
I think so too. I mean, the word carranam is actually inspired by "soul mate" in Gaelic or something like that, Maas said.
And thank you! I just wonder how much Rhys can do without that tattoo. But maybe because his powers weren't fully realized, he needed to "brand" her as one of his own to enter her mind, see her, feel her feelings, etc.
We've considered that when Feyre died, the bargain was void. So why is the tattoo still there?
To me, this means either 1) the bargain and tattoo are not related or 2) the bargain is still in tact.
Since Rhys said he came to say goodbye, I'm leaning toward number one. Maybe it is custom to mark bargains on skin, hence why Amarantha (and no one else, for the matter) questioned this when Rhys showed her the tattoo. But maybe what Rhys actually gave Feyre is more than a simple mark. Everyone thinks the tattoo is just that--a tattoo. But Feyre distinctly mentions that hand tingling before Rhys enters her mind.
So perhaps it's a brand, but a powerful one, maybe one where Rhys actually lended some of his power to Feyre.
Laura wrote: "Something I'm pretty sure is going to cause conflict between Feyre and Tamlin and eventually between her and the Spring Court is that she is going to start to take Rhysand's side on things."I think this is going to happen too. Those two are very like-minded in my opinion, more so than they got to realize before the end of the book.
I'm not sure what people think of him now that everything is over, but if their opinion hasn't changed, then I'm sure she won't be happy with people calling someone she loves a whore.
I hope that Feyre just decks whoever calls Rhys a whore b/c that's what I wanna do.
This is a HUGE weakness, especially if they're going to be in a war soon. He can't afford having Feyre being used against him, so the less everyone knows about it, the best.
And remember when he said that everything he loves has a tendency to be taken from him. TAKEN. That's a very specific word and I think the story that comes with that will break my heart. Feyre and Rhys need to be there for each other (please).
That's an interesting theory, Laura! Though Tamlin did mention marriage:"High Fae mostly marry," he said, his golden skin flushing a bit. "But if they're blessed, they'll find their mate--their equal, their match in every way. High Fae wed without the mating bond, but if you find your mate, the bond is so deep that marriage is...insignificant in comparison."
First of all, Tamlin is like 500 why the heck is he BLUSHING over this conversation?!
Based on this, it doesn't really seem like there's a magical binding that wouldn't allow you to marry someone other than your mate. Personally I don't think Sarah will entirely take choice out of it, either. Making it so Feyre was magically bound only to her mate completely takes choice out of the equation. I think there's a delicate balance she has to take between how much is so fated that it can't be changed, and how much you can change your fate.
I think with Tamlin there's a mix of things. For one, as a high lord, his attention is mostly going to be toward his court. All the high lord's are going to be in this position where they have to focus on rebuilding and damage control from what Amarantha caused. Because of his position and responsibilities, he might not be able to be as perceptive to Feyre at first.
This will cause a lot to constantly be on his mind, so when Feyre is acting like everything is fine, it will be harder for him to see through it. (Rhys's abilities and that tattoo make it so Feyre WON'T be able to fool him.)
Now let's assume Tamlin DOES pick up on Feyre's struggle to let go of the past. If she won't let him in and let him help her, it doesn't matter. Because she can't be helped if she doesn't allow it. So maybe Tamlin does realize it but fails to help her through it whether because he doesn't know how, or because she just closes that door to him.
Olya wrote: And if somebody questions a bond-- Feyre had intense chemistry with him since the beginning. There's no coincidence and it's ironic given he's the scariest. This is a fantastic point, especially considering how mouthy Feyre is with Rhys to how she acts around Tamlin and the things she will not say/precautions she took in case Tamlin decided to do something to her in the beginning.
I like WinterRose's idea behind the tattoo and the initial abilities. I do believe that the tattoo has more power than Rhys ever thought it would, because Feyre was able to essentially live inside him while her body was put back together again.
I wonder if Maas has ever commented on a Fae mating with a human? Otherwise, I have to wonder if the mating bond wouldn't have been possible until Feyre became a Fae or if Feyre wasn't a 100% human to begin with. Remember, Feyre never did get to break the spell the original way in which all she supposedly had to do was tell Tamlin that she loved him...maybe if she had, it wouldn't have worked either do to the type of love/beginnings of love or Feyre being part something else.
WinterRose wrote: "We don't know, either, if a mating bond offers any sort of...magical traits. Like can you sense when the other is near? Is it at all like being carranum in ToG where Aelin and Rowan could share the..."I always just assumed the tattoo was there to help her, hence why the burning at her trial. But wow! I completely forgot about the branding aspect. That beheaded fae from the night court had a tattoo as well. But what if Rhys wasn't lying, exactly? What if the court really just deal all with tattoos? If you are a member or making a deal.... no matter. And what if instead of her being there, that tattoo required something extra special? Gave him a bit more access than usual. Nobody knew what the tattoo did exactly or Rhys wouldn't have gotten away with it. But his members will know.
Katie wrote: "Olya wrote: And if somebody questions a bond-- Feyre had intense chemistry with him since the beginning. There's no coincidence and it's ironic given he's the scariest. This is a fantastic point..."
I know, right? I wonder too because with fire night and on, it really seemed like there was something there. Either it was just good ol' chemistry (they do have a lot in common) or a bond starting to form. We also get this whole cauldron and fate belief playing. So I'm curious if Sarah will bring this up.
WinterRose wrote: "That's an interesting theory, Laura! Though Tamlin did mention marriage:
"High Fae mostly marry," he said, his golden skin flushing a bit. "But if they're blessed, they'll find their mate--their e..."
LOL @ the blushing comment. My thoughts exactly. And yes I think Tamlin will be very wrapped up in high court business with all that went down that he won't see Feyre's state in a while.
Ahem- I just wanted to drop in (among exam time lol) and show y'all this. Sarah had an interview that was posted today by Straittimes. Although the most important thing I took from it was the Acomaf related news:"I've told them they can't read the second book because I won't be able to look them
in the eye." - Sarah talking about her parents reading her books and the mature
content in A Court of Mist and Fury.
Aqsa wrote: "Ahem ahem- I just wanted to drop in (among exam time lol) and show y'all this! Sarah had an interview that was posted today by Straittimes. Although the most important thing I took from it was the ..."I think you may be my new favorite person in the entire world. While I've been looking forward to the Court of Mist and Fury, I've been slightly worried that with Rhys character being more at the forefront with screen time and all that Sarah might have to *ahem* tone him down a bit seeing as he does things like describe Feyre's fantasies to Tamlin; or the Night Court may end up being tame. The only thing that I hope is that the more mature content isn't in the first few chapters of the book between Tamlin and Feyre or every time Feyre comes home; I kind of want the more sinful activities to be about the Night Court and/or Rhysand...preferably with Rhys taking a starring role, partially because that's what I feel like I've been led to believe/imagine when considering the Night Court...well Rhys is Rhys.
Blushing comment with Tamlin, sometimes that guy really does try to restrain himself and doesn't feel comfortable no matter how many women seem to desperately want him maybe he's afraid of looking like an inappropriate beast. lol. I prefer when Tamlin is a little out of his head like on the night of the festival and the night before Feyre's final task.
^ I'm sure there will mostly be emotional interactions and Feyre finding her true self, coming to terms with who she is and finding a way to help defeat Hybern. The mature content will be side-lined for the most part and won't be too graphic-- probably similar to Acotar.Although, I wouldn't mind extra action with Rhys involved JFC.
and lol @Katie ty. SINFUL ACTITIVIES LMAO.
Hey guys, I've read some comments about there being an interview with the characters Sarah had? Does anyone know the link to this? I can't seem to find it, and I'm desperate to get as much info as possible on ACOMAF until the book comes out!!!
Souffle98 wrote: "Hey guys, I've read some comments about there being an interview with the characters Sarah had? Does anyone know the link to this?"Here you go: http://queenofthebookshelves.blogspot...
Ah thanks for the quick response!!! Omg, the part about Rhys crashing into trees while he practiced flying reminded me of this: “When I was twelve, I watched the village children swimming at a pond and figured it out myself.”
It had been one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, and I’d swallowed half the pond in the process, but I’d gotten the gist of it, managed to conquer my blind panic and terror and trust myself. ”
Gah, the never ending parallel between Rhys and Feyre needs to be acted on!!
lol. I don't want it to be a bodice ripper either, which is why I didn't want the considered mature content just at the beginning of the book between Tamlin, Feyre, and Lucian's horrified expression. In the same token, I was hoping that they wouldn't overhaul much of Rhys behavior to become PG, which unfortunately seems to happen when a character like him gets more time because the author gets a little fearful that it would be too inappropriate (aka the ruination of many a character)Aqsa- lol. IDK what they do at the Night Court but it better be something! Maybe they paint themselves blue and dance naked under the moonlight? Otherwise it's like, "No, no, no don't go to the Night Court... they have needlework."
Aqsa wrote: "Ahem- I just wanted to drop in (among exam time lol) and show y'all this. Sarah had an interview that was posted today by Straittimes. Although the most important thing I took from it was the Acoma..."You know what surprises me here? Because I also saw Sarah said this book has a lot of steaminess and shirtless men. But what surprises me is in all these summaries and even that teaser we got, Feyre is broken and seemingly haunted by her past. Not exactly the mindset I think of with steamy scenes. You know? So I'm wondering if it's later on in the book. (And possibly yes, with Rhys.) Because I think in the beginning Feyre will be very damaged and not exactly into the sexy times unless it's a way to cope and forget the past.
Also, I know we all talked about Night and Spring possibly being allies. I noticed this today:
"I spent most of my life in my father's war band on the borders, training as a warrior to one day serve him--or others."
These "others" I think could refer to an allied high lord. Like potentially Rhysand's father.
GUYS. Okay, new theory time. So I think the naga are night court creatures--if this is already stated, then I missed it.But even more..what if Rhys is a naga? Or rather, that's his beast form? (and because he's high lord, he also has wings)
First of all, the naga are described as "shadowy creatures so dark they seemed made from a starless night" and a "combination of serpentine features and male humanoid bodies whose powerful arms ended in polished black, talons."
Second of all, they can talk, and mention "a Dark Mother." Rhys also mentioned Death as a she. Is the Dark Mother and Death the same person? Is this Rhys's mother, or some sort of goddess they serve?
Lastly, remember when Lucien said to Feyre "Do you know what Rhys IS?" Not who he is, but WHAT he is. To me this sounds like he's something other than a typical faerie high lord.
I don't know..just something to think about. :
Edit: I saw this on pinterest:
"Does anyone think that maybe Amren IS Rhys's mom? just a thought"
Wow, that would truly blow my mind if it was true.
One last theory. "As long as Amarantha keeps that eye of his preserved through her magic, keeps his soul and consciousness bound to it, he'll remain trapped, watching through it."
What if a similar concept was used with the tattoo? I know it's not a literal eye, but Feyre does have an eye tattooed on her palm. Now, if you'll remember that healing scene, Rhys grabs Feyre's bone that was sticking out.
What if he actually took that bone when he healed her and through magic it keeps her soul and consciousness bound--which could explain why her soul and consciousness was still present when she should have been dead and why it latched onto Rhys. It'd also explain how he had the ability to get inside her head.
WinterRose wrote: "Because I think in the beginning Feyre will be very damaged and not exactly into the sexy times unless it's a way to cope and forget the past."Feyre using sex to cope may be the case. Early on in ACOTAR, she sleeps with the boy in her village as a way to cope with her life and kind of leaves it at that rather than some great love. At the end of ACOTAR, Feyre "I couldn't talk about it, about them-not yet. So I breathed 'Later' and hooked my feet around his [Tamlin] legs drawing him closer...But I gave myself again to that fire, they myself into it, into him, and let myself burn." Though again, I hope Maas is referring to things happening later on in ACOMAF rather than a continuation of using sex as a coping mechanism as Rhys taking Feyre to the Night Court appears to be rather early on in the story and how many sexy scenes can she really have before that time?
Could the others Tamlin referred to be his own brothers or possibly Amarantha (who seemed to be a follower of his fathers), which may be why Tamlin didn't specify who were the others? Now that you mention the others, I would kind of love if Tamlin was supposed to serve the evil king.
As for Dark Mother, I thought the creatures were referring to Amarantha because she was in charge and allowing them to do as the darker creatures to do as she pleased. While Amarantha is not really a mother, it could be almost another word for Queen (I keep getting flashes of ASOIAF and Dany considering herself the mother of the people as well as dragons).
Amren, I think age wise Amren could be Rhys sister, but with the ages Faes look like she could be his mother.
The bone theory is really interesting. I wonder if you are right and Rhys did something when he healed Feyre or put some part of him in the open wound.
SJM said she put hints into ACOTAR and when feyre was painting, she painted flowers for elain, fire for nesta, and the night sky for herself. I know you guys probably already know this but personally i think that surely the fact that feyre painted the night sky for herself meant something. like...i'm hoping maybe it meant that RHYS gets a shot. feyre did say he is the most handsome man feyre has ever seen. I'm not sure about a lot of things (and i'm looking forward to MAY 3RD when ACOMAF will be released) but i'm sure the sequel will be rhys overload because of the cover and the teaser. *SQUEALS!!!
@ KatieI too think Feyre will use sex in the beginning as a coping mechanism, as we've already seen her do it and it's completely in character for her. I mean, I think she'll engage in those activities with Tamlin anyway, but whenever he tries to get her to talk, she'll steer away from it and go for sex instead. lol Until I assume Tamlin will eventually basically say no, you need to talk about it, etc.
@ Amber Lin
Yes, many of us have agreed that there's a good chance those doors represent the future. :) When I was re-reading, Feyre also mentioned crackling flames in Lucien's mother's wake--crackling flames is what she painted on Nesta's door.
You know what we've never considered? What if Tamlin actually loved a Fae before the curse? Imagine how awful that would be. To be in love with someone, then to be cursed to make a human fall in love with you.
WinterRose wrote: "GUYS. Okay, new theory time. So I think the naga are night court creatures--if this is already stated, then I missed it.But even more..what if Rhys is a naga? Or rather, that's his beast form? (a..."
That would be like the biggest twist ever if we find out that she is his mother, I mean I always pictured her as his sister
"Does anyone think that maybe Amren IS Rhys's mom? just a thought"The main thing that makes me doubt the "Amren as Rhys's mother" theory, is that Maas has pinned pictures of several women with wings captioned as "Rhys's mother" and they all give off this sad vibe that makes it seem like she has passed away or her presence in Acomaf is mainly going to be in the form of a "past story" that Rhys might tell Feyre (based on the pregnancy pictures etc)
And the "Amren" caption pictures are all different with mainly a girl with short black hair and/or a raven/bird next to her.
So that makes me thing there is a difference between the two. I'm still set on thinking Amren is either a past lover, just a friend/advisor/second-in-command or his sister!
The fact that she is affiliated with crows makes me think she has some seer-like abilities or is a messenger for the Night Court since crows represent insight, guidance, prophecies, omens and ancient wisdom but-- they also are harbingers that guide souls from the living to the afterlife. THIS fact makes a ton of sense since we're getting into a Hades x Underworld like ARC.
That's what I'm leaning towards personally. I noticed crows were associated with Rhys's mom and Amren, so maybe she is Rhys's sister. I just think it would be hilarious if Amren was actually his mom, haha.Speaking of a messenger, she very well could be basically what Lucien is to Tamlin.
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