A Court of Thorns and Roses
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What do we think about the ending with Rhysand? [Spoilers]
TheBookie16 wrote: "Thank you so much for tbd book recommendations I'll be reading these!Can we take a moment to make a book prediction?
Like I would combust if at one point in the book Feyre gets hurt or sick (po..."
Oooo interesting. Tamlin does get overprotective and somehow territorial at once (neck biting, shunning from others). Maybe it's not that he would even approach her but what he would say and in what way he would say it. Treating Feyre like a child who isn't capable of making logical decisions with Rhysand. Because honestly. who else would teach her to fly? If she has wings, which it seems like she will. On the other hand, maybe it'll come naturally? But we know that Feyre will be stuck in some Hansel and Gretel situation and that is a GOOD sign! It means that Sarah is staying true to Feyre's character and how she is. She will get her powers, but it most certainly won't be overnight.
I'm curious if Tamlin will now include her in his court political decisions now that she is Fae and about to marry him. That's what I already love about Rhysand. Even when she was human, he let her in to get a grasp of what she's in. He knows what it's like to be left out and looked down on.
CatcherR wrote: "Yeah, that would be an exciting hint for the mate bond and tension. Do you think we will actually ever get to see hybern in future books? I can't see Feyre actually going there unless she was cap..."
Or King Hybern will come down himself. The summary says evil is approaching and from the way his lackeys talked I think he'll decide to show up and announce war or something like that. He's not scared of them.
I see Feyre working with other Fae to go to war with him. But nothing that requires her trading herself in for Rhys until the last book and something temporary.
WinterRose wrote: "Do you think we will actually ever get to see hybern in future books? I can't see Feyre actually going there unless she was captured or was fighting thereThere's images of a prison labeled for bo..."
Yeah this would be a very overused trope that I don't see Sarah playing. I think he's going to start capturing fae from all over different courts, announcing his presence, etc. I also think Feyre will surprise him.
CatcherR wrote: "TheBook16Yes, I do believe that could happen. The king has the power to take away powers so maybe he only allows her to use her foresight powers in front of her...where he can keep an eye on her. ..."
Anything is possible. But remember, that is a huge repeat of book 1 and it's using the same plot for different character development. Sarah wouldn't do this alone based on the fact that people would feel cheated and complain. Another thing: Hybern is NOT Amarantha. In fact, he thought Amarantha silly because she was so petty. Which actually she was. She missed Rhysand right under her nose, she liked to show off. Hybern is efficient and calculating. He doesn't care what others think. He just does. The game will be a lot harder to play. Remember that Feyre is alive only because Amarantha decided to have a little fun with her. Hybern wanted her dead right away. This isn't a guy that will keep her as a consort. Prisoner? Yes. But he doesn't trust at all and he sounds very cautious. And with Feyre and Rhys he should be.
Laura wrote: "I just had a crazy idea. I was thinking about greek mythology powers and I thought "what if Feyre has Medusa like powers?" Like, turning people to stone with the beauty of her eyes ;)
Seriously th..."
I love mermaids so much. I'm game. I also wouldn't mind a Dionysus theme in there.
I agree. I don't think we'll get a repeat of consort!Feyre. The king didn't seem to care about Amarantha controlling Prythian. He only wanted assurance that she'd support his claim. (Which I think is to take back all the mortal lands, and possibly enslave humans again)I think Feyre, when she finds out about this, will want to try to save the humans. And I don't think all the courts will be down with that. They don't seem to have the highest opinion of humans.
So I don't think the king will be after Feyre bc honestly I don't think he'll see her as a threat if he wasn't even bothered by Amarantha's actions. I think Feyre will go after him.
EDIT: What if Feyre can raise the dead and create like, shadow soldiers? That's pretty harrowing and ties into the Queen of the Underworld theme.
I've just been thinking what power could she possibly have that would be considered key to stopping a war.
I'm also leaning more toward Feyre seeing the PAST rather than the future. It just reminds me of how Dumbledore realized the way to defeat Voldemort was to search his past. This might explain Rhys's mom and the young Rhys and Cassian pictures on Sarah's board, too.
I don't think Feyre cares that much about the humans. Her first priority is her family. She relates to Tanmlin because his court is like her familial responsibility. So I think that Feyre will do it for her own reasons, not just humankind in general. She's not that compassionate and well...gryffindor. Feyre is different from our typical heroine, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Yeah, I think Hybern will be a book 3 thing.
YOU GUYS YOU GUYS I AM FREAKING THE FUCK OUTNot sure if anyone has seen this- but lajshfdjgdsalkdhjsasljkdadhjafkljsdkj.
I just saw this synopsis on one of bloomsbury children's website for A Court of Mist and Fury!
Feyre has escaped alive from Amarantha's deadly court Under the Mountain, and she now has the powers and immortality of the High Fae. She's returned with Tamlin to the Spring Court. But Feyre's heart remains human, and that heart cannot forget the terrible things she had to do to save Tamlin and the whole of Prythian.
Nor has Feyre forgotten the bargain she struck with the dangerous and alluring Rhysand, the High Lord of the Night Court. And when Rhys arrives on her wedding day to snatch Feyre away, she knows that he hasn't either. As Feyre spends more and more time with the Night Court, she learns that an even greater evil than the one she defeated lurks across the sea in Hybern - and she might be the key to stopping it. But only if she's able to confront her demons, harness her powers, and understand her growing feelings for Rhys. . .
This second book takes the sexy and action-packed blockbuster series to new heights, and is even more impossible to put down than the first.
;)
@LAURA IM LITERALLY SITTING HERE SILENTLY SCREAMINGI CAN'T BELIEVE AN ACOMAF REP LET THAT SLIP LMAAAAO.
Not that it wasn't already obvious! ;) But STILL.
OH MY GO DDDD IT IS SO LIT IM 10X MORE EXCITED NOW BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH CANON !!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHH! I actually squealed in excitement when I read this!!! I NEED IT TO BE MAY ALREADY!
It's middle of the night here too and I'm sitting in the dark JUST FURIOUSLY GRINNING AT MY LAPTOP SCREEN.I NEED CHAPTER RELEASES. I NEED AT LEAST THE FIRST OR SECOND CHAPTER RELEASED.
Or better yet- I would love for a random ass chapter from the mid of the book being released that shows The Night Court or something like that!
AHHHHH I NEED SOMETHING OR I'M GOING TO COMBUST
I'm ready to sell my soul for an early copy !!! Even though there aren't ARCs, I'm glad the ebook is coming May 3rd while the hardcopy is on the 17th!
I'm a little confused. Amazon is telling me that the hardcover and the kindle edition come out the same day (May 3)? Are the release dates different outside the US?
@Kelly Oooh perhaps it's different! I see US sites selling the hardcopy earlier but I'm in Canada and I see Chapters and Amazon.ca both have the hardcopy listed as May 17th! LOL what a bummer, but at least the ebook is on the 3rd. I SHOULD PROBABLY PRE-ORDER RN.
@Laura I heard about that!! THEY BETTER HAVE SOMETHING. Although I'm pretty sure teasers will start around the end of March or early April. *sobs*
HONESTLY I WILL READ IT ALL IN ONE SITTING I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE AT THAT POINT.
I'm so glad uni is finishing by April 16th- I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO RELAX AND READ IT.
Of course when I say relax I mean screaming as I turn every page DESPERATE for some Feysand interaction/action.
Ahh Aqsa I actually saw that buuuuut didn't know if it was official so I didn't mention it anywhere. lol I saw it like, a screenshot so I didn't know if someone was just summarizing the UK summary.But if you saw it on Bloomsbury's official site...
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Do you have a link?
The summaries are all the same, just different wording. Let's compare the end of this one Aqsa posted (I'll call it "other") to UK and US versions.
UK: She must confront her past
US: But only if she can harness her harrowing gifts
Other: But only if she's able to confront her demons
UK: Embrace her powers
US: Heal her fractured soul
Other: Harness her powers
UK: And discover her heart's true desire
US: And decide how she wishes to shape her future
Other: And understand her growing feelings for Rhys
DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT HERE.
YES, I do see what you're getting at. :D also, I found the link! http://www.bloomsbury.com/au/a-court-...
Yaaaaaaas it's official. *flips out*
Okay I'm now even more convinced they are endgame. And yes Laura, Queen of Shadows had like 5 or so chapters released early. I think we'll at least get chapter 1 of ACOMAF early. At least I hope so. <3
Also, with how that new summary says "snatch Feyre away on her wedding day" I feel like it's going to happen BEFORE the wedding. I wonder if so, how Rhys would do it. I feel like he'd leave a message rather than have it look like Feyre just disappeared.
Lol Tamlin is going to be so pissed though. Like who wouldn't be anyway, but he already gets angry easily.
And I totally didn't think of this before now, but notice the word "understand" in that summary. Feyre will come to UNDERSTAND her growing feelings for Rhys.
Not "embrace" her feelings, or "acknowledge" her feelings, but "understand." As if those growing feelings need an explanation.
If that doesn't scream mates I don't know what else does.
She's going to develop feelings for him and they will be so different than what she feels for Tamlin that she WILL NEED to understand what's happening--she'll understand those feelings are happening because they're mates. I'm about 500% now.
(Remember how Feyre questions if mates can be Fae/Human? What if they can, and in fact it really started to develop the moment Feyre felt that tug to go to Fire Night and met Rhys? Maas said the mate bond can develop slowly--it's not always insta-bond. But maybe when Feyre was turned into High Fae and she and Rhys had that "shocking" moment, it was because the bond snapped completely into place? Like it was slowly forming this entire time, and now it's complete.)
One last thing that makes me excited:As Feyre spends more and more time with the Night Court, she learns that an even greater evil than the one she defeated lurks across the sea in Hybern
More and more time means either this book will highlight those weeks at the night court, or eventually Feyre will choose to stay there longer. :D
And the fact that she learns there's a greater evil in Hybern while at the night court shows she's going to get involved with all this Hybern/plot while AT the night court. And, as we predicted, likely be very much involved with the night court.
So much yes to this. So much yes.
On a side note, I feel bad for Feyre. She's probably going to hate herself for having feelings for Rhys. Especially with Rhys's ability to read her emotions...I can imagine him teasing Feyre for her attraction to him.
Aqsa wrote: "YOU GUYS YOU GUYS I AM FREAKING THE FUCK OUTNot sure if anyone has seen this- but lajshfdjgdsalkdhjsasljkdadhjafkljsdkj.
I just saw this synopsis on one of bloomsbury children's website for A Cou..."
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!! *SCREAMING*
And this confirms about the powers! She's got 'em! AHHHHHH
CatcherR wrote: "I don't think Feyre cares that much about the humans. Her first priority is her family. She relates to Tanmlin because his court is like her familial responsibility. So I think that Feyre will do i..."
I thought Feyre was a Slytherin? I thought when it's something like enslaving mankind, she will agree to help. It's just too big of a cause and someone needs to do it. Her family can't be the only humans left to live either way. But of course, her family is the first priority. I just think she'll see there is not much of a choice here. The king is just too awful.
WinterRose wrote: "I agree. I don't think we'll get a repeat of consort!Feyre. The king didn't seem to care about Amarantha controlling Prythian. He only wanted assurance that she'd support his claim. (Which I think ..."
All of those theories are all so plausible that we really can't make a sure guess until we at least get a teaser or something. But I really like the past idea. I think that maybe if she does get her powers and it's something really incredible then King Hybern will take notice. It sounds like something Sarah would do. Plus she got the "essence" from all the courts and how many have that? there is sure to be an effect for that.
And going by books, SOMEONE has to be more powerful because so far Hybern trumps them all. It's like going against a huge spider when they're flies and already in the net.
Aqsa wrote: "@LAURA IM LITERALLY SITTING HERE SILENTLY SCREAMINGI CAN'T BELIEVE AN ACOMAF REP LET THAT SLIP LMAAAAO.
Not that it wasn't already obvious! ;) But STILL.
OH MY GO DDDD IT IS SO LIT IM 10X MORE E..."
I CANNOT HANDLE THIS I CANNOT HANDLE THIS I CANNOT HANDLE THIS I CANNOT HANDLE THIS I NEED THE BOOK NOWWWWWWW DAMMIT
WinterRose wrote: "Also, with how that new summary says "snatch Feyre away on her wedding day" I feel like it's going to happen BEFORE the wedding. I wonder if so, how Rhys would do it. I feel like he'd leave a mes..."
YOU ARE KILLING ME!!!!!!
Yes yes YES to all of this. I LOVE the snatching away part.
And understand definitely is the mate bond. And just to acknowledge why she has those feelings and why pretty much SOMETHING SHE NEVER DID WITH TAMLIN.
WinterRose wrote: "Ahh Aqsa I actually saw that buuuuut didn't know if it was official so I didn't mention it anywhere. lol I saw it like, a screenshot so I didn't know if someone was just summarizing the UK summary...."
All the same just different words! The last ones are basically Rhys. We all knew. And who ISN'T excited? Well, all the Tamlin lovers. I still want something good for him. Just as long as that's far away from Feyre lol.
Laura wrote: "No way I'm going to wait for the physical copy. I'm probably going to buy the ebook the second it comes out and read it all in one sitting.
I'M SO EXCITEED!"
Where is the best place to pre-order ebooks? I'm actually so desperate to get my hands on this I don't want to risk ordering a hardcover and waiting lol. Plus I seem to absorb material better when I read from my laptop. Weird.
Aqsa wrote: "@Kelly Oooh perhaps it's different! I see US sites selling the hardcopy earlier but I'm in Canada and I see Chapters and Amazon.ca both have the hardcopy listed as May 17th!
LOL what a bummer, but..."
You are a goddess among women. Thank you for the find ;). My B&N is really good with pre-orders. Like they ship it out and I actually get the book a day before it hits the shelves.
CatcherR wrote: "On a side note, I feel bad for Feyre. She's probably going to hate herself for having feelings for Rhys. Especially with Rhys's ability to read her emotions...I can imagine him teasing Feyre for ..."
Honestly? I don't think he'll ever tease her about the feelings. What he'll tease her about is just the attraction like he already did, but also to remember he is attracted to her too. i don't think he would be cruel about this ESPECIALLY because he himself was caught so off guard. But oh dear God THE BOND PEOPLE. Can you imagine how that will be? They're not going to have normal privacy. It's going to be like two electric currents. Sigh me the EFF up.
WinterRose wrote: "One last thing that makes me excited:
As Feyre spends more and more time with the Night Court, she learns that an even greater evil than the one she defeated lurks across the sea in Hybern
More ..."
God bless your attention to detail. That is all.
For those in the US, the kindle version of ACOMAF is only $9.99 right now! I'm guessing it won't get cheaper than that? I never buy ebooks so don't know :/
I'm baaack. Haha, I love you guys for all your theories, they are awesome and @Aqsa, with this blurb, you just made my day. So far, we know that :- Feyre will have feelings for Rhys which we have already guessed. The theory of mates works 10000000 %.
I have a question, now : Do you think Feyre will be the one asking the question "Hey, are we mates ?".
I mean this question has to pop up somehow in the books, otherwise, Feyre would never know if she is right or she is just crazy.
Or maybe it's going to be Rhys ?
- She will be the key against the new evil character. I'm curious about her futur role in the plot.
@WinterRose, I like your theory about seeing the past, but for me, it's not a power we can qualify as harrowing.
Do you think we are going to have a traitor among the Night Court people who is working with the king ?
- The book is going be mostly in the Night Court * YEEES * which means that we are NOT going to have cheezy moments with Tamlin.
By the way, SJM posted an other picture of Rhys's cabin in the moutain. I swear to you, guys, this cabin is going to be the end of me. I don't know why but I have a feeling that he has a piano in this place.
@Laura THAT is a great theory! Although I admit I really want the mate reveal to happen later on in the book, and it would be great if it was only Rhys and Feyre having a moment! However- it would be neat seeing that the marriage doesnt work out and everyone is confused and Feyre doesnt even understand but Tam and Lucien know- they KNOW but they dont tell her.Maybe that event is one of the reasons Tamlin wouldnt have such a huge fit at Rhys taking away Feyre because deep down he knows that there is a connection between Rhys and Feyre and ultimately he cant compel her to stay.
But of course- chances are the wedding doesnt even go through because Rhys will 'snatch' Feyre away before that happens.
Sidenote: snatch is such a possessive word. ;)
@Laura Oops sorry i misunderstood!BUT YES. That sounds good I would be down with that!!
I know without a doubt that the taking Feyre away on her wedding day scene is gonna be a fave *giggles*
I'd love a flying/teaching scene later on too!!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY - THE CABIN SCENE ;) ;) ;)
Aqsa wrote: "YOU GUYS YOU GUYS I AM FREAKING THE FUCK OUTNot sure if anyone has seen this- but lajshfdjgdsalkdhjsasljkdadhjafkljsdkj.
I just saw this synopsis on one of bloomsbury children's website for A Cou..."
oh my god......
"understand her growing feelings for Rhys"
I'm dead
@WinterRose Your analysis of all the summaries was really good. We all knew it already, but Feysand is 100000% canon now. Now I can sit back with some popcorn and watch the fires start.
I don't think Rhys will tell her if they're mated (if he suspects it) either. Since that summary says Feyre will have to understand her feelings, it sounds like she won't be told about them but rather (as the UK summary suggests) come to discover the meaning behind them herself.Maybe Mor and Cassian are mates in the night court and she'll figure out what's going on with her by seeing them/hearing how the mate bond works. Or maybe it's something you just KNOW.
There was a mate pair in Heir of Fire, but they seemed just like any other couple. (view spoiler)
But for a while Feyre may very well just think her connection with Rhys is the tattoo. Even we don't know how much is the tattoo, how much is just Rhys's powers, and how much is potentially something else like a mate bond.
Do you guys think Feyre being able to sense Rhys's feelings is the tattoo, or a mate bond? (I think the bond was starting to form while she was human, for the record.)
I know without a doubt that the taking Feyre away on her wedding day scene is gonna be a fave *giggles*Omg that's like the scene I want most early. I know we probably won't get to see that early, but I'm just so eager to see how it goes down. It still cracks me up to think about it.
Hahahaha everyone is going to be so pissed but no one is stupid enough to mess with the night court.
But on a serious note, what will prevent the wedding from happening when Feyre returns? She's only gone a week. I don't think she'll discover the mate bond during that week--and I certainly don't think she'll fall for Rhys enough during that time to just not marry Tamlin.
So I think Feyre will want to marry Tamlin when she returns the first time at least. Either things will get in the way (too busy, attacks on the borders, Tamlin needing to travel, etc.) that prevent it from happening.
I'd love a flying/teaching scene later on too!!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY - THE CABIN SCENE ;) ;) ;)
Yes yes yes. :D
Most definitely we'll get a flying scene. The original cabin picture on Sarah's board (like literally the first or second image added to the ACOTAR board period) was captioned as: "What I imagine the view from Rhysand's mountain cabin (in Book 2) to look like.."
Sounds like the cabin will be up in the mountains. Maybe you can only get there by flying. So they will fly there. :D Rhys's palace also seems to be up high. (Based on Feyre's vision in her cell and the pinterest images)
I did notice on my re-read that Lucien vanished from Feyre's cell, so apparently the vanishing isn't just a Rhys specialty. Though he seems to be the only one who has materialized in shadow.
I've been wondering if Rhys plays any instruments. That song Feyre heard on her cell must have come from somewhere. Same here. I wouldn't suprised if Feyre discovered that Rhys plays the piano. Imagine a scene when he is playing to her, just like Aelin to Rowan in QOS. My brain will explode, I think.
I think maybe there will be something that prevents Feyre from getting married when she comes back
I agree with both of you @Laura and @WR, I think we will have some events so they would need to postpone the wedding *Mouhaha*
Rhys is going to ruin months of preparation and crash the party of the year in Prythian. It's going to be a scandal.I'm honestly still cracking up on this.
I imagine Tamlin had a small ceremony in mind, though. But it's still probably a huge disrespect and insult to ruin a High Lord's wedding, no matter how grand scale or low scale it is.
after what happened Under the Mountain, what do you think people in Prythian think went on between Rhys and Feyre?
A good question. Obviously in the beginning, they likely assumed Rhys was just toying with Feyre because he could, that she was a play thing for his entertainment. But like you mention, the end paints a different picture.
Rhysand completely drop his act the moment Feyre is hit by Amarantha's magic. He screams her name, then proceeds to attack her with the ash arrow. You have Tamlin dying on the floor, Rhys and Feyre being tortured, Feyre beginning her to stop torturing him--and everyone is just watching this. (They all suck, literally. Like you can't tell me ALL of them combined couldn't have taken her down. She physically couldn't take on that many at once)
People had to take away from that, that Rhys A) was planning on betraying Amarantha the whole time and B) that he cares for Feyre beyond her just being a human plaything.
Those that were there also know about the bargain, since Rhys announced it in front of everyone.
Also, Rhys could have done nothing. Tamlin wasn't going to die. He needed to heal, but Amarantha liked him too much to ever kill him herself. Feyre was the only one, at that point, in danger of dying. Rhys could have let Feyre be tortured, killed, and found another plan to destroy her. But he abandons it completely when Feyre is attacked.
The wedding will probably be postponed for legitimate reasons at first, but eventually Feyre will be trying to find reasons not to marry Tamlin. And he'll pick up on it and either play along, or confront her.I don't think Rhys would have placed on her a tattoo that would allow her to feel his feelings.
I don't think so either--unless he had no choice, I suppose. Or unless he figured his mind was powerful enough to keep his thoughts and feelings locked up.
But I too have a feeling it was more of a mate thing.
Rhys has a palace in the sky all for him. I can't wait to see it through Feyre's eyes
I'm about 95% sure Feyre saw it when she had that vision in her cell. When she connects the dots, she will probably be in shock. ("The one I loved was there...")
Laura wrote: "I can see Rhys doing it before the wedding, but then it wouldn't be such a huge scene you know. It's why I think he's going to show up during the ceremony and crash it. So everybody gets shocked an..."This is something I think Tamlin will question Feyre with right away. What happened between her and Rhysand? As for others, I think the overall effect will have mixed opinions of her. But the fact that she saved them will rank far higher than the how. Only some will comment on her sleeping with Rhysand. I think if there is any political backlash, it'll be because Rhysand was Amarantha's whore.
WinterRose wrote: "I know without a doubt that the taking Feyre away on her wedding day scene is gonna be a fave *giggles*
Omg that's like the scene I want most early. I know we probably won't get to see that early,..."
Another thing to notice in the summary is that it says Feyre realized Rhysand didn't forget about her either. Probably meaning some time will pass before we get the snatching scene. Which makes sense. We need to see how she acts with Tamlin now. I'm curious.
WinterRose wrote: "I don't think Rhys will tell her if they're mated (if he suspects it) either. Since that summary says Feyre will have to understand her feelings, it sounds like she won't be told about them but rat..."
I would have said tattoo if she didn't react to Rhysand so differently from Tamlin. I mean it was like she was drawn to him and was inclined to trust him without understanding why herself. And just the fact that Sarah kept repeating that makes me think it's definitely there for a reason. The tattoo just speeds up the process ;)
Aqsa wrote: "@Laura THAT is a great theory! Although I admit I really want the mate reveal to happen later on in the book, and it would be great if it was only Rhys and Feyre having a moment! However- it would ..."
Well we know that fae who aren't mated can get married. Maybe one who is can still marry another one. But. That really does sound like a good theory. I'm with you though Aqsa. I think he'll snatch her before the ceremony. And I think that word used is hilarious! Very appropriate for Rhysand. Makes him all sneaky and demanding. Which he is.
Something that I always imagined is Feyre coming to night court and astonishingly recognizing some things from her vision. And Rhysand seeing this and not saying anything about it. Her being confused. I think the cabin will be amazing what with the magic and all. What if it completely defies physics and is just this amazing wooden palace inside?
I think political issues will make Feyre herself cancel or postpone the wedding-- but also realizing she's good with it. I think that those political problems will already start to broil in the beginning of the book and progress. But then going to the night court she'll see exactly how bad it is. Either because the Night court will be a target or because Rhysand will let her in on what's going on more.
Another theory about her postponing the wedding is her family. She realizes she needs to get them and maybe just tells Tamlin it's the wrong time.
Lucien can vanish! How cool! Maybe it's a high fae ability or a high lord bloodline specialty. I wonder how much magic Feyre knows now that she is a high fae.
The end of Acotar and the beginning of Acomaf have a few months gap. Rhys can cash in about three to four weeks in night court. Since he is her mate, he will probably keep her there until he is sure she will not marry Tamlin.
Lucien can vanish! How cool! Maybe it's a high fae ability or a high lord bloodline specialty. I wonder how much magic Feyre knows now that she is a high fae.
The end of Acotar and the beginning of Acomaf have a few months gap. Rhys can cash in about three to four weeks in night court. Since he is her mate, he will probably keep her there until he is sure she will not marry Tamlin.
CatcherR wrote: "Lucien can vanish! How cool! Maybe it's a high fae ability or a high lord bloodline specialty. I wonder how much magic Feyre knows now that she is a high fae.
The end of Acotar and the beginni..."
He did say that the deal begins at any time of his choosing though so I don't think that'll work. But it would be hilarious! I just hope it's something that we don't quite expect.
Tamlin never vanished if I'm correct and he's the one that got the position by power... so maybe it depends on the court? I was thinking that certain courts can have some different powers based on their seasons and such. Fall, winter, night, and then spring, summer, dawn. I'm betting Rhys is colder to the touch than Tamlin because he needs the adaptive temperature for flying and living in the mountains. And maybe that extends to powers too.
New thought!What if Rhysand takes Feyre to his cabin to train her?? That will make sense. Especially if he can't completely trust the fae at his court and wants to keep her powers from being noticed.
Bonus if he teaches her to read ;)
Olya wrote: "New thought!What if Rhysand takes Feyre to his cabin to train her?? That will make sense. Especially if he can't completely trust the fae at his court and wants to keep her powers from being noti..."
Yeeeeees. I endorse this idea.
Good theory! But I have a feeling the cabin will be more of a private/relax place. Rhys's place he goes to for privacy. I think Feyre will train with other night court members. (Maas did say there are lots of shirtless guys in this book lol) Maybe she'll train basic stuff with the night court, like physical training with swords, bow and arrow, etc. But train also with Rhys, with her specific powers.Vanishing may be a power all the high fae can do. Rhysand vanished, but he also showed the ability to walk through walls and turn into shadow. I wonder how far one can vanish to and from.
WinterRose wrote: "Good theory! But I have a feeling the cabin will be more of a private/relax place. Rhys's place he goes to for privacy. I think Feyre will train with other night court members. (Maas did say there ..."That's what I meant! Wasn't specific. I definitely think other fae will help her train physically (yes I imagine them being shirtless and hot lol) but I do think that at some point Rhys will say let's go to the cabin to teach you your powers. It's the only way Feyre will actually go with him LOL. Or so she'll keep telling herself.
The walking through walls sounds VERY night court because of the shadow aspect. But I guess we'll find out next book.
Another reason why I think the cabin will be for that is because it seems unlikely at this time for Rhysand to just up and leave his court for no good reason. He just came back and there is stuff that needs to be done. So the only way I see him leaving is if Feyre is coming into her powers but can't control them well. I think they wouldn't want others to know about it yet. Especially if they are big.
A couple new thoughts."What do you do you want, Rhysand?"
Rhysand smiled--heartbreaking in it's beauty--and put a hand on his chest. "Rhysand? Come now, Tamlin. I don't see you for forty nin years, and you start calling me Rhysand? Only my prisoners and my enemies call me that."
And Lucien proceeds to call him Rhys, and so does Tamlin after that.
The nickname "Rhys" suggests...maybe not friendship, but at the very least some sort of comradery. A hint of their past, a past where they weren't enemies. Which makes me wonder if they were actually somewhat of allies before Amarantha came along, but when Rhys "allied" with her, he and Tamlin were at odds. If not, I wonder how long their courts have been enemies.
It's just curious that Rhys acts somewhat offended that Tamlin called him his full name.
Second thought.
"If you were wise, you would be screaming and running from this place, from these people. It's a wonder that you're still here, actually." My confusion must have been written across my face, for Rhysand laughed loudly. "Oh, she doesn't know, does she?"
1. What does he mean, these people? He's referring to Lucien and Tamlin, but why?
2. He can't be talking about Feyre not knowing about the curse--because of course she doesn't. That's part of it, that she CAN'T know. Rhysand would know that.
I think he's talking about something else, something that would be a reason why a human would run and scream from Lucien and Tamlin. What that is, I don't know--maybe as we discussed, a past where Tamlin slaughtered a lot of humans and had a disdain for them?
Last thought. Rhysand shows up and reads Feyre's mind three or four days before the curse is up and yet he still tells Tamlin that it's a bit late, because she's more stubborn than he is. Three or four days to go, and yet somehow he knew she wouldn't say she loved Tamlin. I wonder what he read in her mind to come to this conclusion. (And he was right. She didn't say it.)
Which brings me to this....did you guys think it took an awful long time for Feyre to say she loved him? Tamlin said he loved her several times and I don't think she ever actually said it back. Not even under the mountain. (When he tells her he loves her after Rhys catches them, she doesn't say it) She finally did say to him before the third task, but never said it BACK when he said it first.
I think they wouldn't want others to know about it yetI can see that for sure. I was thinking this cabin would be part of their flying lesson. Like he takes her there while they're flying. I seriously can't wait to see their flying lessons, which you KNOW will happen. And the reading. lmao that will be fun.
Also, I just found there WEREN'T any Queen of Shadows arcs, though they did release like five or six chapters early. They released the first chapter early May I think, or late April. Queen of Shadows came out in September. So I think we can expect some ACOMAF teasers soon.
I do not expect any real teasers until march or so. When did the chapter teaser come out for QOS? They must be really confident about the quality of ACOMAF if there are no arcs. So that's a great thing...but also a bad thing. Maybe they don't want the QOS spoilery thing to repeat itself.
Oh, WinterRose... I see what you're saying. There is something dark in Tamlin's past that he is hiding for sure. So, remember how it was said that Rhys's father killed Tamlin's brothers and father. They didn't mention his mother at all...
What if Tamlin killed his own mother? She's the only family he seems to feel bad about. We assume that it was a strong mother-son relationship but what if he is just guilty?
WinterRose wrote: "A couple new thoughts."What do you do you want, Rhysand?"
Rhysand smiled--heartbreaking in it's beauty--and put a hand on his chest. "Rhysand? Come now, Tamlin. I don't see you for forty nin yea..."
Jesus we think so alike I could have wrote this post lol. Funny enough ALL of this went through my mind! But I never questioned it because I thought I was probably overthinking a lot. So here goes:
I think Rhysand and Tamlin were great friends once. To the point where they had each other's backs, saved each other's lives, etc, Rhysand being older and more experienced taught Tamlin the ways of life in general. But then something went wrong. So wrong in fact that I don't think we even know half of it. I have a feeling that Feyre will be overwhelmed with all the secrets she finds out.
Notice how Feyre started thinking of Rhysand as Rhys as the book progressed hehe.
"These people" actually struck me too even the first time I read it. That's an accusation. I think that once again, they have a bad history that Feyre will not like and that even if she can say that was the past, it will color Tamlin in a new and different light. Especially because he came off as such a wise and benevolent fae. She was the one that felt dark. Possibly the spring court doesn't have such a good rep (which we already know) that goes beyond what we learned in the first book. Feyre will find out about it.
Last one, this is a biggie. Rhysand is known for talking in double entendres because of his gift. I think that when he said that, he not only meant the curse, but their relationship in general. He couldn't have known she wouldn't say it and why unless he read her feelings regarding Tamlin. Notice that he said Tamlin could have ended up with her and MIGHT have gotten away with it, but it's too late and she's more stubborn. That sounds like something for the distant future. The might gives me pause because nobody knew that Amarantha was going to trick them. The might is what happens after the curse breaks.
And the fact that Feyre as a narrator didn't tell us the truth either! She made excuses. The first one was that she didn't want to cause him any pain, she was leaving. I think as she was realizing she did love him she hesitated because of who she is and her approach to feelings. Her feelings must have been very jumbled. But I do find it odd that she did all that and yet couldn't say the words. Her entire emotional relationship with him is crippled and weak. So it's not surprising that it includes that too.
I think Rhys and Tamlin are the same age. Just that Tamlin had always been a bit more shy while Rhys was out there. So Rhys was the outgoing friend who taught Tamlin how to flirt and get the girls.Though...it does not seem that Tamlin is very good at flirting. At all. It was probably a lot worse than before.
Yeah, Feyre is a very conflicted narrator. Especially when it comes to her feelings.
Was Amarantha going to give Tamlin back his powers immediately if Feyre had said 'I love you'? Or was that just another tricky deal that she made?
@CatcherR I think that comment was specifically in response to Lucien? But I also got the feeling that Rhysand is older than Tamlin. Perhaps not significantly older, but still older since he took on a friend/mentor role with teaching Tamlin about swords as well as females. If I had to rank them in age, I'd say that Rhysand is the oldest, followed by Tamlin and then Lucien.Also, I've been thinking about this a lot, and I have an alternative theory to the King of Hybern being Rhys's father theory, which also ties in with Rhys's comments about "these people."
Alright, so we know that Tamlin was only a child during the great war with Hybern over the humans' slavery and the territory dispute. While Tam was too young to do anything, I don't think Rhys was. When Rhys says to Lucien that he has "been fighting on battlefields since before you were born," this leads made me think that he might have taken part in the big war (which he could have if he is a bit older than Tamlin).
Now, here's the thing: I think the Night Court was on the opposite side of the war from Hybern and the Spring Court - namely on the humans' side. If you think about it, it makes sense. The Spring Court under Tamlin's father was a big proponent of human slavery and was allied with Hybern (remember, Amarantha was friends with Tamlin's father). If the Spring Court was actually allied with Hybern, and Rhys's father killed most of Tamlin's family, there's a strong possibility he did this because he considered Tam's family to be too dangerous and too opposing to the Night Court's views, even after the war ended. (It doesn't sound like Rhys's father killed them DURING the war, since Tamlin goes on to fight in his father's war bands; I think the murder happened a bit later. In fact, I think the only reason why Tamlin was spared in the first place was because Rhys stepped in for him on his behalf. I think he asked for Tamlin to be spared because he was his friend, and he saw that he might not end up as bad as his father.)
The Night Court, taking the opposing side to Hybern and the Spring Court, may have been the humans' allies. We KNOW there were some fae who allied with the humans; it's what made the big difference in the war's outcome. Tamlin says as much: "How do you think the human armies survived as long as they did, and did such damage that my kind even came to agree to a treaty? There were faeries who fought and died at the humans' sides for their freedom, and who mourned when the only solution was to separate out peoples." If the Night Court took the humans' side, it would make sense why there is still some animosity between the Night Court and some of the other courts (besides Rhys's later actions). Plus, it sounds like the Night Court is very powerful; I could see them tipping the scale in a war like that. Imagine Rhys and his father fighting on the battlefield? (Also, that would totally tie in with SJM's pinterest pictures showing them in battle armor/battles.)
I think the resulting political lines would make sense with this theory as well. We know that the Spring Court, as the loser, took the largest "sacrifice" in lands, giving them up to the humans in the south (Feyre says as much when she's is looking at the painting/tapestry in Tam's library). But notice who has the largest amount of land? The Night Court, which has a "sprawling, massive territory." Which would make sense if they were on the winning side, but it seems that the Night Court's location on the map could also speak to another result of the treaty and their potential alliance. Although the largest and most powerful court, the Night Court is also the farthest away from the human realm. Remember what Tamlin just said? While some fae fought for the humans, they "mourned when the only solution was to separate out peoples." The Night Court, the humans' biggest ally, must in turn suffer by no longer being able to maintain contact with them. Their victory was a double-edged sword.
If that is the case, then I could see why Rhys is willing to ally with Feyre Under the Mountain. Besides the fact that she is their biggest chance, Feyre might remind Rhys of the humans he used to fight alongside. Although he pokes fun at her at times, he alone bets on her in the First Task. He also understands the rate of human healing (remember when he tells her that he KNOWS that a human's nose couldn't have healed that fast without fae magic, after Lucien heals her when the Attor beats her? I think this hints at his past with humans.) I think Rhys understands humans very well, especially their tenacity and drive for survival. It doesn't surprise me that he bet on Feyre.
Overall, I think the Night Court's old alliance with the humans, as well as their tension with both Spring and Hybern, would make sense in the context we've been given. Amarantha, Hybern's general, takes revenge on Rhysand because his father killed her "friend," the old High Lord of the Spring Court. The once powerful Night Court pays for the personal slight, but also for their alliance with humans, which Amarantha would especially hate. She must have taken a lot of joy in making Rhys bow to her in so many ways.
Rhys's dislike and comments toward Tamlin and Lucien in the Spring Court scene would also make more sense. Not only would Rhys be angry with Tamlin over not trying to break the curse for so long, but he would find it especially ironic that Tamlin, a member of "these people" who so disliked humans, must fall in love with a human who hates them in turn. He might be pointing to the fact that Tamlin hasn't told Feyre about his true backstory or the extent of the Spring Court's distaste for humans. (While Tamlin doesn't seemed to have hated humans to the same extent as his father, it is obvious that he doesn't think much of them. That's why Amarantha put the curse on him in the first place, and he and Lucien both make disparaging remarks about humans in Feyre's presence while she's at the Spring Court. I'm guessing the Autumn Court may have also been a Hybern ally at the beginning, too, come to think of it.)
Anyway, those are my thoughts. What do you guys think?
It's hard to say who allied with who but I'm sure that Rhys and Tamlin were both allies and eventual enemies at some point in time. Could it be that Spring Court betrayed Night Court? However, I do believe that Night Court came out on top. Hey, so I was rereading the ending and I think that Rhysand was going to let Feyre off the hook with the bargain. I remember that someone (WinterRose?) said so but I see it now!
So, why did Rhys want Feyre in the first place? My guess is that he wanted to annoy Tamlin off.
Originally, he was hoping to sleep with her or hook up with her to get revenge on Tamlin.
But then he started liking Feyre and started to see her as more than a political pawn or revenge piece.
Other Observations:
I think Feyre really starts to like Rhys after the second trial and when she hears the music.
Rhys starts to like Feyre once she is forced to kill innocents--much like he was and he is able to relate to her.
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Yes, I do believe that could happen. The king has the power to take away powers so maybe he only allows her to use her foresight powers in front of her...where he can keep an eye on her. I think if anything, he will use her powers and keep her as a consort to taunt Rhys (who may or may not be his own son). If Rhys is the king of hybern's son...there is probably a lot of bad blood between them.
Maybe the whole 'everything I love has a tendency to be taken away from me' refers to their father-son relationship. Think about it. People don't turn as manipulative and tricky like Rhys without some dark stuff in their past..The king might take away Feyre and make her his consort to punish him. I could see Feyre whoring herself for Tamlin and spring court...who's to say she wouldn't do it for Rhys later on?
The prison is from book 2 for sure (SJM captioned one picture). So, maybe we do actually get to go to Hybern in the next book...or Feyre sees it in her visions. But it would make more plot-sense if they actually went there.