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Was 9/11 a false flag attack and 'Inside Job'? (GROUP POLL RESULT: 50% of you say YES)
P.S. One more important US organization I forgot about is 'Patriots Question 9/11' which to date has secured testimonies from 300+ SURVIVORS and FAMILY MEMBERS OF 9/11 victims who all do not believe the govt's version of events: http://patriotsquestion911.com/surviv...
James wrote: "Here are excerpts from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (CLICK-BAIT-LINK-HERE ), which rather than being just some website of conspiracy fools ..."Just more baloney, misinformation, distorted observations from the uninformed, and hysterical victims.
Look, let's start with the simple stuff:
What happens when you blow air into a paper bag, then hold it closed and smack it?
A loud bang!
That's explosive compression. Now multiply that 110 times, with orders of magnitude in tonnage coming down?
Why they pop the air out of each floor as it pancakes down.
Next basic physics lesson:
What is the speed of objects falling down a gravity well?
Simple answer: they ACCELERATE at 10m/second squared.
In other words, as they go down it gets faster. The math doesn't require a calculator to determine that terminal velocity for each of the Twin Towers was equal to or greater than 100kph, or 60 mph.
In other words the 'professionals' who have supposedly signed their names to these anonymous websites can't even do basic math, don't know basic high school physics, or are relying upon those who either choose not to, or do not have those skills.
That proficiency is typically a required minimum for most engineering students, much more so for qualified and certified engineers, architects and so on.
Tens of thousands? As a systems engineer I have seen too much questionable content on the internet to give this much credit.
James, you're just adding to the hysteria with unfounded, unscientific, and flat out balderdash.
There are very real dangers out there, find them and expose them. Yes, especially the Bush/Cheney/CIA connections.
However, the actual catastrophic events of 9-11 are as real as it gets, and a painful loss for our country.
No one wants to believe we left ourselves vulnerable, but that is what happened. Then the worst scoundrels in America took advantage of that. They used their inside knowledge of the CIA's support, then abandonment of OBL's Taliban, to cover up their complicity.
But false-flag? No, that is not what happened on that tragic day. OBL's crews really did strike, and it was a planned revenge against America, not by U.S.
You want tragedy, look to everything coming out of Aleppo today, Syria and Iraq for the last decade, and Lebanon & Palestine for the preceding decades.
The abuses coming out of that region now will infect and affect the world for the next century.
PS: I am very concerned that those who do know better are spreading this kind of misinformation. What do they get out of it?
I'm tempted to start every inquiry with the axiom "Follow the money."
But is it money, pride or prestige, or some twisted sense of power? Who benefits from the lies?
So what are your scientific qualifications, Kevin, to be able to categorically say you know much more than the thousands of architects, engineers, scientists and pilots who signed real petitions via their not-for-profit organizations and released real scientific reports (no not just some "online thing")? I am assuming you must be a world leader and absolute authority in architecture, engineering, physics and aviation to be able to just dismiss these scientists/experts counter arguments?
Hi All,There are still a few more days left to vote in the 9/11 poll which asks members 'Do you believe 9/11 was an Inside Job?":
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
The voting for the aforementioned 9/11 poll in this group recently ended https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...The poll asked group members 'Do you believe 9/11 was an Inside Job?'
Here are the results:
50% voted YES
34.2% voted NO
15.8% voted Undecided
That is interesting but reality isn't a majority vote thing. Public opinion may be but the public has quite often been wrong.
Philip Marshall (American author, 9/11 researcher and former commercial pilot) -- A Murderer who killed himself? Or a whistleblower who was murdered and framed as a killer? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
For those interested in doing further research on 9/11, these discussion threads are worth a look:The U.S. Military’s official proposal to kill American civilians, bomb U.S. cities and fly planes into buildings in staged terrorist attacks (Operation Northwoods declassified) https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Operation Gladio - the CIA's and NATO's terrorist-sponsoring program in Europe https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
There's a new group poll in progress which is really like a sub-plot to the main 9/11 poll. This poll asks members: Do you believe World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7), which no plane hit on 9/11, collapsed solely due to fires as per the official story?
Vote and have your say in the comments section here:
https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
More on Building 7...UNSOLVED MYSTERY: What happened to World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7) on 9/11? https://www.goodreads.com/videos/1134...
9/11 - Hard Facts, Hard Truth | WTC Building 7 http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_07...
Was 9/11 an inside job? Call for TRUTH over Building 7 collapse on eve of 15th anniversary http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/7...
In an article dated June 23, 2008, commentator/blogger Steve Warran states: “There always was something fishy about the Pentagon ground-floor deck slab following the attack of 9/11; where evidently, a 757-jetliner was flown absolutely level into the first floor of the building without so much as nicking the poured concrete foundation. Even after journeying 300 feet in, with enough explosive energy to punch holes through thick masonry walls (while also deflecting the second-floor slab upward along the way,) the deck was left immaculate enough to roller skate on.”
Warran thanks military historian, Barbara Honegger, for “clearing up the space-planning mystery at least”. He refers to the article Ms Honegger published in September 2006 titled, The Pentagon Attack Papers: Seven Hours in September: The Clocks that Broke the Lie, in which “she informs us of a previously undisclosed underground facility”.
The voting for the Building 7 poll in this group (which was a sub-plot to the main 9/11 poll mentioned earlier) recently ended: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1... This poll asked members: Do you believe World Trade Center 7 (aka Building 7), which no plane hit on 9/11, collapsed solely due to fires as per the official story?
Here are the results:
55.1% voted NO
24.5% voted UNSURE
20.4% voted YES
Check out the comments section where voters added their thoughts during the voting period: https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/1...
What REALLY sent it down? Shock report reveals 9/11 tower DID NOT collapse because of fire http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/7..."The National Institute of Standards and Technology insists it was the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse as a result of fire.
But new bombshell claims suggest “office fires” could not have caused its destruction."
A strong documentary on all the anomalies that don't add up regarding 9/11...9/11 In Plane Site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z...
The “Inside Job” Hypothesis of the 9/11 Attacks: JFK, 9/11 and the American Left http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-insi...
Document:Fifty Years of the Deep State https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:..."A remarkable summary of the deep state which names names - the most prominent being that of George H.W. Bush, whom Gorton identifies as the mastermind behind the 9/11 plot."
Intriguing website by a US Professor emeritus who is adamant 9/11 was Inside Job: https://nomoregames.net/Curriculum Vitae for Dr. Morgan Reynolds
Morgan O. Reynolds, Ph.D., currently is Professor emeritus, economics, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas. He is a former Chief Economist at the U.S. Department of Labor 2001-2002, and he also served as the Director of the Criminal Justice Center and Senior Fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, headquartered in Dallas, Texas.
Majority of Americans Believe in 9/11 Conspiracies http://www.ocweekly.com/news/majority...Americans don't agree on much these days but one thing a majority can find common ground on is the belief that the government is concealing information about the 9/11 attacks.
The Chapman University Survey reveals 54.3% of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.
WHO GIVES A SH*T??I think that it does not matter what the truth is. Because this is something they would never admit (even though they have partially admitted it) (demolition of wtc 7)
It might seem very controversial to state it doesnt matter. BUT it is a unfortunate truth.
Most people are so ignorant, and unable to think, or add things up, they believe anything that they are told (sheeples, gullible).
Since they will NEVER go on every single news report and state that it was not a act of terrorism, that it was a pre planned demolition, used and executed for a number of reasons. (Ill list examples) that their goal was to creat a tidalwave of fast track approvals of military wars, distract from the senate hearing/audit of D,Rumsfelt where he had managed to embezzle a x numbers of billions dollars, and that normal human beings are nothing but human sacrifices to their evil deity/collateral damage etc..
No way they ever admit that!
For the ones who don't suffer from cognitive dissonance so many things don't add up, so common sense says somethings fishy..
1. A number demolition crews had investigated and had been asked to leave offerts on cost to safely demolish those very exact buildings, main concern for ALL those teams were the safety of the public since there was a lot of material with health hazards that would be airborn.
2. Architects, mathematicians, aviation scientists and chemists have prooven that it is absolutly impossible that the plains caused the two towers to collapse in that way and burn the way it did.
3. Some news agencies reported TOO EARLY (and so awesome they were all set up, perfect camera angles, from all over the world...so they were ready..) on what was said to happen, the small detail of timezones and daylight savings time screwed the whole thing up.. ^^ or maybe they are psychic..
4. Since even concrete burned there isnt it a marvellous miracle that the "hijackers" passport were found ungarmed, unscorched, just a few blocks away. And yet not a single fragment of anyone on those plains has been found.
Follow the money:
1.This "event" had multiple benefits for the puppetmasters..
2.They got rid of the buildings. Silverstein got fat insurance instead of having to pay..
3. They got to build the pit, (its not what we believe, its what they believe that matters, huge human sacrifice plus this "monument")
4.Germanys gold was all forgotten about (they had demanded to see it and wouldnt take no any longer) .
5. They got direct approval to attack a number of countries who all without exception provided the puppetmasters with natural resources, oil, money, testing ground for exotic weapons etc.
6. People were conditioned by this to accept laws, liberties taken away, checkpoints, surveillance etc.
7. The countries who up to this point had refused to let the greed of Rothschild err I mean the Banks of Rothschild in to their country was of cause terrorists and taken out, the gold, oil, lithium, poppy etc from those countries went straight into the pockets of the puppet masters.
Here is a very important point:
The people who realize this was NOT what it was portrayed to be are to busy quarreling with the sheeples, and trying to proove their point. But forgets about the REAL implications of their discovery.
WHERE are the people that was said to be on those flights? What happened to them? Were they murdered? Vanished?
WHOis the real culprit and should face trial for all the people that was murdered in the towers? (Their human sacrifice)
(follow the money and you will find who benefitted).
WHAT is their agenda, and how can they be stopped. They are deliberatly using terrordrills, FF, to distract and bring political agendas and changes according to their master plan. Celebrity scandals and gossip are another tool. And lets not forget the over obvious; Divide and Conquer, all to fracture the American people, preventing people from uniting and putting their foot down. Unfortunatly it also means everyone is distracted and when they execute this grand master plan, the twin towers will seem like a pee in the ocean in comparison.
Let me state: The puppetmasters are called a variety of things. Elite, TPB, etc.. its not conspiracy theory, its conspiracy fact. They have no loyalty to any country, they have no regard for human life or animals for that matter. They have money and power. This is a dangerous combination. They have on numerous occation prooven this.
If USA senate/goverment was the owners of The military, and all the letter agencies, they would not operate without senate consent, or by proxy (using "cleverly" created terrorist network that they fund, equip, and train), etc. they would be obligated to fully disclose everything to the senate and the goverment but they they aren't doing that.
The goverment funds them (all these agencies), and have the right to utilize them, "own stock" in them, and can reap benefits, this gives these agencies the right to use .gov (it only takes 3% ownership to have that benefit)... but so many dont even see this, they even think the FEDs is goverment owned, and the IRS.. etc..
But they are not the ones that calls the shots in the end.
It wont be the evil deeds of a few that brings about what is in progress, it will be the silence of the many; Every good man and woman out there, who by remaining silent and trying to mind their own business actually gives their consent.
All life matters.
But how many innocent men, women and children have been, are, and will be tortured , slaughtered and become "collateral damage" because of this? No one says a word about that.
Or why is the Us army / Elite private army (Blackwater/Ea or what ever they call them self now) still in afghanistan..
Maybe its oxycodon/heroin/Opium haze obscuring the view?
I fear that when the full scale of what is in motion is unleashed on the American people, not until then will they understand the horrors that has been unleashed on other countries under false pretenses in their name..
Anna wrote: "WHO GIVES A SH*T??I think that it does not matter what the truth is. Because this is something they would never admit (even though they have partially admitted it) (demolition of wtc 7)
It might seem very controversial to state it doesnt matter. BUT it is a unfortunate truth.
Most people are so ignorant, and unable to think, or add things up, they believe anything that they are told (sheeples, gullible).
Since they will NEVER go on every single news report and state that it was not a act of terrorism, that it was a pre planned demolition, used and executed for a number of reasons...."
I, for one, give a shit...
But yeah I know what you're saying and agree with you overall. And I applaud you for doing the independent research to discover all the numerous plot holes in the official 9/11 story.
I just think we need to remember that history shows in time WE become "they". It's like how the Nazis wouldn't admit to the Holocaust, but in time those fascists were overpowered and common sense and the truth prevailed. Likewise, the new wave of (more subtle, but equally insidious) fascists in power now will be pulverised and exposed and their crimes will become obvious to all :)
I believe what Shakespeare wrote in The Merchant of Venice: "Truth will come to light...at the length, the truth will out."
James wrote: "Anna wrote: "WHO GIVES A SH*T??I think that it does not matter what the truth is. Because this is something they would never admit (even though they have partially admitted it) (demolition of wtc..."
I think the 2 most accurate thing to quote on that topic would be:
" A lie is only a lie, if iys small enough to get caught with, or gosforbid, admit to.
And its almost a draw between: " The winner writes the history, and with time there is no one alive to remember what actually happened."
James wrote: "Anna wrote: "WHO GIVES A SH*T??I think that it does not matter what the truth is. Because this is something they would never admit (even though they have partially admitted it) (demolition of wtc..."
And the part about; Who gives a sh* t.. I do or I wouldn't have the knowledge i have about the subject, i wouldnt have bothered researching etc.. (I assumed that was obvious, and that the statement was more intended as a wake up call)
Yay, we all give a shit :)Now let's expose "their" shit...before we all end up covered in shit.
Speaking of wake up calls, I think 9/11 was the biggest wake up call of our times. It's made a lot more people suspicious of governments, the media, authorities and so-called experts.
Consider what i mentioned above your are currently and most often, debating with like minded. Or people who will never change their opinion because it would mean they have to think.I wrote this to wordwizard, but the same applies for all sheeples;
" What level of proof would it take to convince you?
A public statement?
A presidental letter?
Seeing it filmed from the beginning?
As in everything prooving something after it has happened is most commonly circumstantial evidence of various sort. Added togheter they form a accumulated trunk of evidence for or against.
It is not like they would admit/ incriminate/ keep documents/ get caught with anything tangible in their hands.
So..
Consider what would it take to convince you.. "
I.E: you can lead a donkey to the water but you can't force it gi drink..
I used to propage for honesty, truth and trying to wake people up. But in my research I found the actual reason why that wont be possible.
Knowning what I know, I can just shake my head and satte: "They won't even react when told blatantly by one of the puppetmasters that:
- "great culling will take place, a special form of THEIR Social Darwinism is in the making.
Rules are simple; "If your not smart enough to se, and educate your self, on the dangerous and take necessary precaution, tgen your collateral damage, and not a desired productive asset"
Hold in mind it has no reason or bearing what WE belive, or wish. They have the money, the power and the psychotic mindset to do this without remorse or even a hindt of regret.
Means to an end rule by sowing distrust and hatred.
Divide and Conquer,always a winning concept.
Temple wrote: "What an extraordinarily deceptive, fake news way to try to sell a book that, by its own admission, is fiction. It has been around for over three years. Its reviews are not very good (11 percent of ..."Um... The Orphan Conspiracies isn't fiction, and not by its own admission either.
And I recommend you read through this thread and read other books that deal directly with the idea that 9/11 was a false flag attack to see why half of Americans alone don't believe the official story. There's an abundance of evidence out there to make one question the official story... if you're open-minded that is...
76% of the reviews for The Orphan Conspiracies are 4 and 5 stars too, so I'm not sure where you got that "Its reviews are not very good" from either! ;)
Temple wrote: "Good luck with the book. I admire its promotional activity. I have read most of this thread. I have read your review. The book has discovered quite a few supporters like you. The book is not someth..."Fair 'nuff Temple. Of course one must rely on one's own judgement, but my own judgement comes from basing an opinion on factual evidence presented! ;)
Thanks for doing a great job in plugging my book The Orphan Conspiracies, Temple...you're like a one-man promotional machine getting all the facts wrong and displaying you never read the book or know jack shit about it, yet still somehow managing to give superb backhanded compliments for this 4.24 star avg. rated NON-FICTION book :)
James wrote: "...yet still somehow managing to give superb backhanded compliments for this 4.24 star avg. rated NON-FICTION book :)"You mean you didn't just make up all those detailed quotes and sources for a laugh? ;)
Harry wrote: "You mean you didn't just make up all those detailed quotes and sources for a laugh? ;) ..."Everything from my end was made up in fake news-fashion, however my co-writer Lance Morcan is an ex-journo and ex-newspaper editor, so unfortunately all my made up sources were deleted just before publication. Damn, I hate it when that happens!
Temple wrote: "What an extraordinarily deceptive, fake news way to try to sell a book that, by its own admission, is fiction. It has been around for over three years. Its reviews are not very good (11 percent of ..."Temple - While you're at it, let's have your thoughts on our Media Manipulation thread at https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/... - As a journo from the mainstream I'm sure you'll have some thoughts on that.
THE INDEPENDENT: Egyptian state media claims Isis is 'made up' and 9/11 was carried out by West to justify war on terror http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor...Isis could have been invented by the US to "justify the devastation, partitioning and occupation" of the Middle East, writes Noha Al-Sharnoubi
Article excerpts:
A columnist for a state-run newspaper in Egypt has suggested the US invented Isis and set up the 9/11 attacks to justify its military interventions in the Middle East.
“Is it possible to believe the official version, from the US government, of the events of 11 September 2001?” wrote journalist Noha Al-Sharnoubi in Al-Ahram, a major national Egyptian newspaper owned by the government.
Ms Al-Sharnoubi said the World Trade Centre and Pentagon attacks could have been premeditated to "justify the war on terror” in her column, published on 23 August.
According to an English translation by the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), Ms Al-Sharnoubi wrote: “Is it a coincidence that the commanders of the September 11 attack trained at American flight schools?”
“Is it conceivable that four hijacked planes flew around so freely, penetrated US airspace and hit the towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon one by one, with an interval of 15 minutes and 30 minutes between the attacks," she added.
"All this took place without the Americans targeting the planes and downing them, despite all their intelligence, satellites and radars?
“Or was the whole thing planned [in advance] in order to justify the war on terror, the [first] episode of which [later] began in Iraq?”
Read full Independent article here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor...
Temple wrote: "I am sure your father’s editorial opinions have helped you on your writer’s journey. Two of his influencers are also the same as mine, James Michener, and DeMille. At the Reader’s Digest, we edited..."Thanks for the nice comments Temple... Oh, and thanks again for 'promoting' our book.
James wrote: "THE INDEPENDENT: Egyptian state media claims Isis is 'made up' and 9/11 was carried out by West to justify war on terror http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor...-..."Interesting that that's getting reported by a paper like The Independent.
Such ideas as 9/11 being an inside job seem to be quite common in the east, and not labelled as conspiracies as much as they are in the west.
I'll go you one better Harry:Certain concepts are generally considered as conspiracy THEORY in some parts of the world, and conspiracy FACT in other parts of the world.
INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE OF U.S. DEFENSE POLICIES BEING FORMED BY PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY OFF WAR: I liked this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...It points out Cheney's original words BEFORE Cheney became the CEO of Halliburton (video provided). Cheney at that time thought America should not go into Irac. The article then points out how Cheney changed his mind as the head of Halliburton which enabled the company to get a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq. The author quotes Rand Paul saying that after Chaney became the CEO of Halliburon:
Cheney earnestly thought the Iraq invasion was the right thing to do, but that his judgment had been inevitably biased and compromised by his time working for a defense contractor, and that the understandable loyalties he formed while at the company probably did influence his decision-making in some way, as did the vast sums of money that his former colleagues stood to earn if an invasion and occupation were to occur. It would take an unusually honorable person to not be influenced by so much money and power, which is why defense contractors spread it around Washington, D.C.
Asli wrote: "INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE OF U.S. DEFENSE POLICIES BEING FORMED BY PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY OFF WAR: I liked this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/......"Nice one, Asli.
Thanks. But I'm worried about Rand Paul saying "It would take an unusually honorable person to not be influenced by so much money and power." Sounds like Rand Paul feels that most people would have done what Cheney has done, which is basically to sell their soul for power just like the drug company paid researchers I wrote about who manipulate their studies to guarantee that their findings increase the profits of the pharmaceutical industry who keeps paying for and promoting these findings, increasing the "success" of compromised researchers. Same classic principle, same old classic hook and bait, people wanting HUGE success for themselves can't resist agreeing to cause immense suffering for millions. It is interesting that this CNN article indicates that Cheney has not had a peaceful moment for a very long time (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/20/us/dick...), he has had five heart attacks, lives with a pacemaker, and is so paranoid he went through another heart surgery just to ensure his pacemaker was not prone to getting hacked to remotely kill him. Must not be fun to know how much the world hates you.
Asli wrote: "Thanks. But I'm worried about Rand Paul saying "It would take an unusually honorable person to not be influenced by so much money and power." Sounds like Rand Paul feels that most people would have..."I disagree with Rand Paul.
90% of senior politicians on the world stage are sociopaths.
Politics attracts those who lust after power.
But I think the architects of 9/11 are way about the Bushes and Cheneys of this world...Those are mid-level players, at best, and mere pawns at worst...
There is no doubt politics attracts sociopaths. The world is surely ruled by people who want to rule the world. Here is a shining example of how absolutely psychopatic one of the world's most powerful men is. George Soros says in an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZhIr...See him start grinning about being responsible for the financial collapse of half the world. He says, in his own words "I am there to make money I cannot and do not look at the social consequences of what I do." He also does not feel bad about helping confiscate property from the Jews during WWII, calling it just the price of doing business. MOST psychopathic words i have ever heard in my entire life. I do not believe even for a single moment that his "philanthropic" donations serve any other purpose than to make himself look good so he can gain the world's trust for more power. Pablo Escobar used the same tactic before he tried to become the president of Colombia.
One thing that fascinates me, and what I sense is probably one of the major clues to 9/11 being an inside job (at least on some level), is the insider trading that appeared to have occurred in the days and hours just before the tragedy happened on 9/11...Seems highly likely some investors, probably at a very high "global elite" level, had foreknowledge the attacks would definitely occur...Insider Trading on 9/11: Speculative Trade in “Put Options”. The Financial Facts Laid Bare http://www.globalresearch.ca/insider-...
"There can be no dispute that speculative trade in put options – where a party bets that a stock will drop abruptly in value – spiked in the days around September 11, 2001 – even if the US Securities and Exchange Commission and the 9/11 Commission will not say so. More than a few people must have had advance warning of the terror attacks, and they cashed in to the tune of millions of dollars."
So wait a minute, what about all the people who lost their lives? Was that all an act? And why would they destroy the world trade center and then just rebuild it years later? Seems like a waste of time and money not the rebuilding and memorial but if it was an inside job it just seems ridiculous to terrify the entire nation who saw it happen whether on live broadcast through radars or in person. Why in the world would they do that? For shits and giggles? Maybe it really was a terror attack because I just can't see why they would do it. If it was for training purposes they failed miserably. If it were up to me the training should be in a secure private location where not too many lives are at stake. That's just my P.O.V though
"i dont know but it seems really weird how the date 9/11 matches the emergency number 911
frosteye ~i am the son of poseidon~ wrote: ""i dont know but it seems really weird how the date 9/11 matches the emergency number 911"I hadn't even thought to mention that!
Goldenpetal wrote: "So wait a minute, what about all the people who lost their lives? Was that all an act? And why would they destroy the world trade center and then just rebuild it years later? Seems like a waste of..."
No one's saying it didn't happen. And as for the question: why would they do it? (i.e - it was an inside job by the U.S. or a specific agency or secret organisation) The answer can be tenfold, but one answer is: If you control events such as this, you can make an extremely healthy profit on the stock exchange. The other answer is: Just look what happened to the world after 9/11: the war on terror began, western troops invaded the middle east, the middle east backlashed against the west, security measures which infringe human rights happened, racism was increased, etc. etc. Would our current world of terrorism be the same if 9/11 hadn't happened?
Harry wrote: "Goldenpetal wrote: "So wait a minute, what about all the people who lost their lives? Was that all an act? And why would they destroy the world trade center and then just rebuild it years later? S..."
I can't answer that because it DID happen. And if it was an inside job well look what happened. Though I don't know if it's worth mentioning but what about the Weapons for prisoners thing that happened before 9/11?
Well, we wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq for starters, so obviously things would be very different if 9/11 hadn't happened.What's the 'weapons for prisoners' thing?
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"Since 9/11, however, independent researchers around the world have assembled a large body of evidence that overwhelmingly refutes the notion that airplane impacts and fires caused the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. This body of evidence, most of which FEMA and NIST omitted from their reports, instead supports the troubling conclusion that all three skyscrapers were destroyed in a process known as “controlled demolition,” where explosives and/or other devices are used to bring down a building.
KEY EVIDENCE
Rapid onset of destruction,
Constant acceleration at or near free-fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance,
Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel,
Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph,
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,
Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the “crush zone,”
Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile,
Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles,
Evidence of thermite incendiaries on steel beams,
Nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples."
Associated papers and the full scientific evidence the thousands of architects and engineers of the organization Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth say refutes the US govt's official story can be viewed here: http://www.ae911truth.org/gallery/evi...
Now in case anyone missed any of that, and to move this debate beyond the silly notion that it's only amateurs believing the official 9/11 story has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese, let me repeat one last time:
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (and the other organizations I list again below) are comprised solely of tens of thousands of scientists, pilots, engineers, architects, military officers, NY firemen and other relevant/qualified/renowned experts who all have put their names forward and signatures down on various petitions to categorically say the govt's official story is a big fat joke.
Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice http://stj911.org/
Pilots for 9/11 Truth: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Scientists for 9/11 Truth http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth http://pl911truth.com/
U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth http://www.mo911truth.org/
Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity http://ff911truthandunity.org/
Journalists and Other Media Professionals for 9/11 Truth http://mediafor911truth.org/
Lawyers for 9/11 Truth http://l911t.com/
Medical Professionals
for 9/11 Truth http://mp911truth.org/
Veterans for 9/11 Truth https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/v...
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth http://www.ae911truth.org/
9/11 Experts Speak Out http://911expertsspeakout.org/
So if 9/11 is such a black and white issue, if only the insane would ever believe their govt (comprised at the time of lovely men like Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush!) would ever lie to them and commit such a crime, then why are all these renowned experts putting their careers on the line to say "we have been lied to again"???
The obvious conclusion here is we need scientific experts on both sides to debate this (in collaboration with the likes of firemen, policemen, pilots, etc, etc) to debate this issue. But will that ever be allowed and would the mainstream media ever report such a debate?
We also need to be careful, in my opinion, throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to conspiracy theories. Yes, 95% of conspiracy theories are absolute crap (Holocaust denial being one of the most idiotic and dangerous ones, plus other theories that the hardcore Trump faithful believe in). However, it's the 5% of conspiracies that are true (e.g. Operation Paperclip, Operation Northwoods, MK-Ultra, and other 100% factual and proven conspiracies the likes of Assange & Snowden have leaked to the public) that would change the world and shock us all were they all suddenly declassified.
It's not only very dangerous to start automatically lumping together the likes of conspiracy theory BS such as Holocaust denial with conspiracy FACTS and/or legitimate questions raised by scientists and other renowned experts, it's also the exact strategy that the global elite use to cover-up their worst crimes...
“There are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It’s important not to confuse these two.” -Julian Assange