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FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS
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Was 9/11 a false flag attack and 'Inside Job'? (GROUP POLL RESULT: 50% of you say YES)
A new book out on 9/11 which I’ve bought but it’s still in the post Will comment when I’ve read some
Agree about Dolan
Breakthrough In 9/11 Investigation (with Richard Gage & Barbara Honegger) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V3cf...Josh Sigurdson talks with Richard Gage AIA of Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth as well as Barbara Honegger who famously exposed the truth behind the Iran Contra scandal in the 1980s as a member of the Reagan White House with her book 'October Surprise' and now works with the Lawyers Committee For 9/11 Inquiry.
Some massive news has come out in recent days regarding a petition originally filed in April of 2018 asking for a new investigation into 9/11. Just a few days ago, LCfor9/11 got a letter back from a US attorney agreeing to comply with a Federal law requiring submission to a special grand jury of report by Lawyers' committee and 9/11 victim family members of "yet to be prosecuted 9/11 crimes."
This is the biggest news to come out regarding 9/11 since the 28 pages and by far has more impact.
Barbara explains as a private citizen her thoughts on this incredible breakthrough and why it could change everything. She expects it to possibly complete in about a year and a half but this stepping stone can expose everything we've long wondered about 9/11 and the obvious coverups. Even if one is not sure what exactly happened on 9/11 as we are left to a lot of assumption, it is well understood in this day and age that at the very least, the official investigation was a whitewash.
Richard Gage says this recent news is music to his ear and is something that AE911 has been pushing for for many years.
Both Richard and Barbara explain why this is so important, what people need to understand about 9/11, the strange events of the day and why everyone should question what happened. Let's not forget what that fateful day has lead to and continues to lead to in the security field and overseas.
You can find the Lawyers' Committee For 9/11 Inquiry here:
https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11in...
You can find Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth here:
https://www.ae911truth.org/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V3cf...
Hacker group threatens to leak 9/11 ‘truth’ unless paid in Bitcoinhttps://www.rt.com/usa/447909-hackers...
"The group claims the documents tell the story of what really happened on one of the most notorious dates in recent history, tweeting “We’ll be providing many answers about 9.11 conspiracies through our 18,000 secret documents leak.” They published a “teaser” consisting of letters, emails, and various documents that mention law firms, the Transport Security Administration, and the Federal Aviation Administration, with a promise of more to come."
"They claim to have hacked documents from not only major global insurers like Lloyds of London and Hiscox, but also Silverstein Properties, which owned the World Trade Center complex, and various government agencies. The material, which supposedly includes confidential government documents that were meant to be destroyed but were instead retained by legal firms, allegedly reveals “the truth about one of the most recognizable incidents in recent history and one which is shrouded in mystery with little transparency and not many answers.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/447909-hackers...
Hackers claim to have insurance data linked to 9/11 attacks https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/01/h...
It's an extortion attempt masquerading as a public service.
https://www.rt.com/usa/447909-hackers...
Also in 9/11 news today, VT or Veterans Today (The US Military's news and information service) posted about the aforementioned hack ( see here: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/01... ) and also wrote this intriguing comment:"Editor’s note: VT knows for certain that insurers for properties in DC have accessed clear cruise missile videos of the Pentagon attack."
Watch "Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001" on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9h...
More on these 9/11 leaks...New 9/11 Files: Lawyers Discussed Whether Bush Knew About Attacks in Advance https://sputniknews.com/us/2019011010...
Deep State Doesn’t Want to Expose Full Truth About 9/11 - Political Scientist https://sputniknews.com/interviews/20..."Dr Kevin Barrett: The last hijacking in the United States was, I believe, in the early 1970s; the idea that these four planes could be hijacked was absurd on its face in the first place, and now we know it didn't happen. We also know that the three buildings in New York were taken down in explosive controlled demolitions. Indeed, the entire trade centre was totalled in a series of explosions and the planes is just a diversion. All of this has been proven seven days from Sunday, anyone who doubts it should just refer to the magisterial work with the greatest 9/11 scholar, Dr David Ray Griffin."
Food for thought here, people...Former Pentagon staffer and US Marine/Vietnam Vet John Judge (who comes from a military family and grew up visiting the Pentagon regularly) talks here about all the anomalies regarding the attack on the Pentagon and 9/11 in general. Listen why he thinks the official story of 9/11 is pure poppycock...
Talk - John Judge - Conversation About 9/11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrFm1...
‘More secrets’: New batch of ‘Dark Overlord’ 9/11 papers leaked online https://www.rt.com/usa/452258-911-pap...Encryption Key for Legal Firm Emails in Hacked 9/11 Files Reportedly Released https://sputniknews.com/us/2019022310...
Deep State Doesn't Seem Bothered by 9/11 File Hackers' Threats – Ex-USAF Colonel https://sputniknews.com/analysis/2019...
The group of hackers threatening to 'bury' the US deep state has dumped a second batch of confidential 9/11 litigation documents, with the files seemingly failing to offer any sensational new knowledge. Speaking to Sputnik, former Pentagon adviser Lieut. Col. (ret) Karen Kwiatkowski explained what really matters when it comes to the events of 9/11.
What an official September 11 photographer filmed and why he says it cost him his freedom https://www.news.com.au/world/north-a...KURT Sonnenfeld is on the run from America. He says the US government wants to keep him quiet about what he saw on 9/11.
“To me, the most suspicious thing of all is what happened to building seven at the World Trade Center,” he said.
“This building was not hit by a plane. It didn’t have any structural damage ... but, amazingly enough, building seven fell in a perfect textbook type implosion, taking only 6.5 seconds for a 47-storey building to fall completely into its own footprint.
“This to me indicates there was absolutely no resistance between the floors when the building collapsed.”
The Great Debate with Greg Felton, Webster Tarpley, Jim Fetzer, Syrian Girl +7 moreWebster Tarpley and Greg Felton get into an awesome argument on the subject of whether or not Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks. Webster Tarpley, Jim Fetzer, Kevin Barrett, Greg Felton, Joshua Blakeney, Anthony F. Sanchez, Janet Phelan, "Syrian Girl", John David Ebert, Walt Brown and Truther Girl Sonia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B5vP...
Webster Tarpley: 9/11 Synthetic Terror https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar6I0...Webster Griffin Tarpley (born 1946) is an American author, historian, economist, journalist and lecturer. As an activist historian he first became widely known for his book "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography" (1992), a masterpiece of research which is still a must read. He has addressed audiences in Italian, German, and French. A decades-long expert on international terrorism, his 1978 study commissioned by an Italian government minister and entitled "Chi ha ucciso Aldo Moro?" (Who Killed Aldo Moro?) broke open the ownership of the Red Brigades by NATO's clandestine networks. His groundbreaking book on the September 11 false flag terror attacks is, of course, "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA."
RT the FIRST and ONLY News Channel to Report 9/11 Grand Jury Development in New York https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxEd...GRAND JURY TO HEAR 9/11 EVIDENCE http://911freefall.com/9-11-free-fall...
Host Andy Steele is joined by attorneys Mick Harrison and David Meiswinkle of the Lawyers Committee for 9/11 Inquiry. They review the latest developments regarding the U.S. Attorney’s compliance with the Committee’s request that a grand jury hear the 9/11 evidence. Their discussion covers the ways that AE911Truth will be helping the Committee and the ways that supporters can participate in this effort to prove, in a courtroom, how the three World Trade Center towers were really destroyed.
For more information, visit https://AE911Truth.org/grandjury
“I think it’s implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn’t speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many didn’t have a high school education, could have carried out such a complicated task without some support from within the United States” - Former Sen. Bob Graham on 60-Minutes
In an exclusive interview with RT, "Rescue Me" Actor Daniel Sunjata explains his demand for a new 9/11 independent investigation. He says truth will reveal September 11th was an inside job.Daniel Sunjata: 9/11 was an inside job (part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3gw...
Daniel Sunjata: 9/11 was an inside job (part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU8bO...
Fire did not cause World Trade Center Building 7 collapse, UAF study suggests https://www.ktva.com/story/41015153/f...The Official Story of the Collapse of WTC Building 7 Lies in Ruins
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...
A research team at the University of Alaska's engineering department has concluded that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11.
Sep 6, 2019 | Politics, US, Viewpoints
A research team at the University of Alaska’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, led by Dr. Leroy Hulsey, Dr. Zhili Quan, and Professor Feng Xiao, Department of Civil Engineering, Nanjing University of Science and Technology, released on September 3, 2019, for public comment their findings from a four-year study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001. This is the first scientific investigation of the collapse of the building. Here is the conclusion:
“The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.”
Notice three things: (1) it has taken 18 years to get a real investigation of the destruction of a building blamed on Muslim terrorists, (2) the only way “near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building” can occur is through controlled demolition, and (3) this remarkable finding is not reported in the presstitute media.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...
The official story on 9/11 put out by the US Government is now slowly falling apart?9/11 mystery solved: World Trade Center building didn't collapse due to fire – study finds https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...
ONE of the towers during the 9/11 terror attacks did not collapse due to a fire, a shocking study has claimed.
Researchers have dismissed the findings of Government officials in 2008 that the building fell due to “uncontrolled building fires”.
Following an extensive four-year study at the University of Alaska, using four extremely complex computer models, Dr. Leroy Hulsey, Dr. Zhili Quan, and Professor Feng Xiao found the “fire did not cause the collapse”.
9-11 Truth Movement https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...SF Bay Area architect Richard Gage is the founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. In the first half, he discussed his ongoing work examining the destruction of the three World Trade Center high rises on 9-11, and why more than 700 architects and engineers are calling for a new investigation to determine if forces beyond aircraft and jet fuel were used to destroy buildings on that fateful day in 2001. Recently, Fire Commissioners in an adjacent New York City area became the first legislative body in the US to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9-11, he announced. Gage has concluded that a "false flag" scenario was taking place during the attacks on the Twin Towers; and the evidence shows that demolition devices were planted in the buildings, and it was these that brought them down rather than the impact of the plane crash and subsequent fires.
Particularly, the collapse of Building 7 in the afternoon of 9-11 was suspicious, he said, noting how the 47-story high rise "dropped like a rock straight down uniformly [and] symmetrically into its own footprint in under seven seconds." In the two taller towers, there were explosions taking place as much as 60 floors below the initial zone of destruction, he stated. These isolated explosive ejections (said to be visible on video documentation) are known as "squibs" in the controlled demolition industry, he added, indicating they were pre-placed in the building. Further, the signature component of the "WTC dust" is residue from molten iron created in extreme heat-- such as in a thermite explosion, he cited. Gage also reported that "seismic events" were recorded in the area by an earth observatory both several seconds before the planes hit, and before the debris hit the ground from the towers.
REPORT: Major University Study Finds "Fire Did Not Bring Down Tower 7 On Sept 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4PXa...Breaking: UAF study says government wrong on World Trade Center collapse https://mustreadalaska.com/breaking-u...
Author Marianne Williamson, who is running for President in the 2020 election, said she entertained 9/11 counter theories to the official story:"To have questions about 9/11, to me, is no different than having questions about the Warren Commission. And I don't believe in the single bullet theory of the Kennedy assassination either."
In 2014, Williamson also appeared at a conference that actively promoted the WTC7 theory which is a prominent conspiracy that a third building at Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan was part of a controlled demolition project orchestrated by the US government. The conference was hosted by the Free and Equal Elections Foundation.
9/11 Pager data https://911.wikileaks.org/9/11 tragedy pager intercepts:
From 3AM on Sunday September 11, 2011, until 3AM the following day (US east coast time), WikiLeaks is re-releasing over half a million US national text pager intercepts. The intercepts cover a 24 hour period surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York and Washington.
The messages are being broadcast "live" to the global community — sychronized to the time of day they were sent. The first message is from 3AM September 11, 2001, five hours before the first attack, and the last, 24 hours later.
Text pagers are usualy carried by persons operating in an official capacity. Messages in the archive range from Pentagon, FBI, FEMA and New York Police Department exchanges, to computers reporting faults at investment banks inside the World Trade Center
The archive is a completely objective record of the defining moment of our time. We hope that its entrance into the historical record will lead to a nuanced understanding of how this event led to death, opportunism and war.
https://911.wikileaks.org/
9/11 Turned Into a Rights Grab https://www.outsiderclub.com/9-11-tur...We’re Outsiders here, in case you forgot.
It’s ok for us to say the University of Alaska’s Institute of Northern Engineering concluded this month that “fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse.”
I don’t know if it was an inside job or not.
What I do know is that we readily traded liberty for safety to the detriment of our freedoms.
It led to a rapid expansion of government powers and overreach. It led to big tech companies prying into your lives in unprecedented fashion.
Philip Marshall (American author, 9/11 researcher and former commercial pilot) -- A Murderer who killed himself? Or a whistleblower who was murdered and framed as a killer? https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...The Big Bamboozle: 9/11 and the War on Terror
False Flag 911: How Bush, Cheney and the Saudis Created the Post-911 World
9/11 Truth with Architect Richard Gage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPeW...This episode we welcome from the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Richard Gage! Mr. Gage scientifically and calmly presents several pieces of evidence that suggest that the official story is pure BS and that we need a new proper legit investigation into who was responsible for carrying out one of the worst acts ever on American soil.
Please check Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth website for their special presentation with NYFD chiefs on 9/11 to demanding a new investigation.
https://www.ae911truth.org
9/11 Attacks: Donald J. Trump - Radio Interview - Sept 11, 2001 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8US9m...
9/11 and the Global War on Terrorism https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-9...As Prof Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research points out, if we ever hope to derail the never-ending war on terror, we must be absolutely clear that neither Al Qaeda nor Saudi Arabia could have pulled off the attacks of that day.
“The tragic events of September 11, 2001 constitute a fundamental landmark in American history, a decisive watershed, a breaking point.
Millions of people have been misled regarding the causes and consequences of 9/11.
9/11 marks the onslaught of the “Global War on Terrorism” (GWOT), used as a pretext and a justification by the US and its NATO allies to carry out a “war without borders”, a global war of conquest.
A far-reaching overhaul of US military doctrine was launched in the wake of 9/11.
9/11 was also a stepping stone towards the relentless repeal of civil liberties, the militarization of law enforcement and the inauguration of “Police State USA”.
9/11 and the War on Terror: Michel Chossudovsky on GRTV https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...
The Bin Ladens and the Bushes: On 9/11 George Herbert W. Bush Meets Osama’s Brother Shafiq bin Laden https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-bin...Lest we forget, one day before the 9/11 attacks [as well as on the morning of 9/11, the dad of the sitting President of the United States of America, George Herbert Walker Bush was meeting none other than Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of the alleged terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.
It was a routine business meeting on September 10-11, no conflict of interest, no relationship to the 9/11 attacks which allegedly were carried out on the orders of Shafiq’s brother Osama, no FBI investigation into the links between the Bush and bin Laden families.
What is presented below is a factual account. Confirmed by the Washington Post, “fellow investors” of the Carlyle Group including Osama’s brother Shafiq bin Laden and Dubya’s dad former President George H. W. Bush met in the plush surroundings of New York’s Ritz-Carlton Hotel on September 10-11, 2001. Their business encounter under the auspices of the Carlyle Group was unfortunately interrupted on September 11 by the 9/11 attacks.
It didn’t help that as the World Trade Center burned on Sept. 11, 2001, the news interrupted a Carlyle business conference at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel here attended by a brother of Osama bin Laden [Shafiq bin Laden]. Former president Bush [senior], a fellow investor, had been with him at the conference the previous day. (Greg Schneider, Pairing the Powerful With the Rich, Washington Post, March 16, 2003)
A timely business meeting on September 10-11 at the Ritz Carlton with Osama’s brother disrupted by the 9/11 attacks: pure coincidence, totally unrelated to the 9/11 attacks.
What was GWB’s Dad “Poppy” doing with Osama’s brother Shafiq on September 10?
Media coverup: the WP report came out 18 months later in March 2003. There was no media coverage of the Shafiq bin Laden – G. Herbert W. Bush meeting in September 2001. The event was known, yet mainstream media editors decided not to provide coverage of this timely 9/11 encounter at the Ritz Carleton.
A day later, on the evening of September 11, 2001, president George W. Bush pronounced a historic speech in which he defined the relationship between “terrorists’ and “state sponsors of terrorism”:
The search is underway for those who are behind these evil acts. I’ve directed the full resources of our intelligence and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. (emphasis added)
A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7 http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7Conclusion of study: The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.
Study by the Institute of Northern Engineering (University of Alaska Fairbanks)
Leroy Hulsey
Professor (University of Alaska), Ph.D., P. E., S.E., Civil Engineering
Project Team
Feng Xiao, Associate Professor, Nanjing University of Science and Technology
Zhili Quan, Bridge Engineer, South Carolina Department of Transportation
The 11 Most Compelling 9/11 Conspiracy Theories https://newsone.com/742485/the-11-mos...Purported theories about what really happened on September 11 are apparently still up for debate.
On the 18th anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks, conspiracy theories about that fateful date in American history have more than persisted — they’ve thrived.
Many have been recycled over the years, but new ones have arisen, as well, such as the U.S. government supposedly not deploying the military to stop the planes from flying into the Twin Towers so it could justify fighting a foreign war.
Donald Trump, before he was president, also got in on the act, claiming that “thousands and thousands of people [in New Jersey] were cheering as that building was coming down.”
Here, we compiled a list of the 11 most compelling 9/11 conspiracy theories that exist:
1. Insider Traders Knew About Attacks Before They Happened
2. Air Defense Was Told To ‘Stand Down’
3. Planes Didn’t Make Twin Towers Collapse, Bombs Did
4. The Pentagon Attack Scientifically Doesn’t Hold Up
5. Flight 93 Was Completely Staged
6. How Did Hijackers' Passports Survive Explosion?
7. Cell Phone Calls Made From Plane Were Faked
8. Some People Knew Attack Was Going To Happen, Took Off Work On September 11th
9. Black Boxes Found By Search Crew Kept Secret
10. The Bin Laden Tapes Are Fake
11. Aluminum Planes Can’t Penetrate Steel Structure Of World Trade Center
https://newsone.com/742485/the-11-mos...
September 11, 2001: 21 Reasons to Question the Official Story about 9/11 https://www.globalresearch.ca/septemb...(1) Although the official account of 9/11 claims that Osama bin Laden ordered the attacks, the FBI does not list 9/11 as one of the terrorist acts for which he is wanted and has admitted that it “has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” (NPHR 206-11).
(2) Although the official story holds that the four airliners were hijacked by devout Muslims ready to die as martyrs to earn a heavenly reward, Mohamed Atta and the other alleged hijackers regularly drank heavily, went to strip clubs, and paid for sex (NPHR 153-55).
(3) Many people reported having received cell phone calls from loved ones or flight attendants on the airliners, during which they were told that Middle Eastern hijackers had taken over the planes. One recipient, Deena Burnett, was certain that her husband had called her several times on his cell phone because she had recognized his number on her Caller ID. But the calls to Burnett and most of the other reported calls were made when the planes were above 30,000 feet, and evidence presented by the 9/11 truth movement showed that, given the technology of the time, cell phone calls from high-altitude airliners had been impossible. By the time the FBI presented a report on phone calls from the planes at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui in 2006, it had changed its story, saying that there were only two cell phone calls from the flights, both from United 93 after it had descended to 5,000 feet (NPHR 111-17).
(4) US Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife, Barbara Olson, phoned him twice from AA 77, reporting that hijackers had taken it over, was also contradicted by this FBI report, which says that the only call attempted by her was “unconnected” and hence lasted “0 seconds” (NPRH 60-62).
(5) Although decisive evidence that al-Qaeda was responsible for the attacks was reportedly found in Mohamed Atta’s luggage—which allegedly failed to get loaded onto Flight 11 from a commuter flight that Atta took to Boston from Portland, Maine, that morning—this story was made up after the FBI’s previous story had collapsed. According to that story, the evidence had been found in a Mitsubishi that Atta had left in the Logan Airport parking lot and the trip to Portland was taken by Adnan and Ameer Bukhari. After the FBI learned that neither of the Bukharis had died on September 11, it simply declared that the trip to Portland was made by Atta and another al-Qaeda operative (NPHR 155-62).
(6) The other types of reputed evidence for Muslim hijackers—such as videos of al-Qaeda operatives at airports, passports discovered at the crash sites, and a headband discovered at the crash site of United 93—also show clear signs of having been fabricated (NPHR 170-73).
(7) In addition to the absence of evidence for hijackers on the planes, there is also evidence of their absence: If hijackers had broken into the cockpits, the pilots would have “squawked” the universal hijack code, an act that takes only a couple of seconds. But not one of the eight pilots on the four airliners did this (NPHR 175-79).
Was America Attacked by Muslims on 9/11?
(8) Given standard operating procedures between the FAA and the military, according to which planes showing signs of an in-flight emergency are normally intercepted within about 10 minutes, the military’s failure to intercept any of the flights implies that something, such as a stand-down order, prevented standard procedures from being carried out (NPHR 1-10, 81-84).
(9) Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta reported an episode in which Vice President Cheney, while in the bunker under the White House, apparently confirmed a stand-down order at about 9:25 AM, which was prior to the strike on the Pentagon. Another man has reported hearing members of LAX Security learn that a stand-down order had come from the “highest level of the White House” (NPHR 94-96).
(10) The 9/11 Commission did not mention Mineta’s report, removed it from the Commission’s video record of its hearings, and claimed that Cheney did not enter the shelter conference room until almost 10:00, which was at least 40 minutes later than he was really there, according to Mineta and several other witnesses, including Cheney’s photographer (NPHR 91-94).
(11) The 9/11 Commission’s timeline for Cheney that morning even contradicted what Cheney himself had told Tim Russert on “Meet the Press” September 16, just five days after 9/11 (NPHR 93).
(12) Hani Hanjour, known as a terrible pilot who could not safely fly even a single-engine airplane, could not possibly have executed the amazing trajectory reportedly taken by American Flight 77 in order to hit Wedge 1 of the Pentagon (NPHR 78-80).
(13) Wedge 1 would have been the least likely part of the Pentagon to be targeted by foreign terrorists, for several reasons: It was as far as possible from the offices of Rumsfeld and the top brass, whom Muslim terrorists presumably would have wanted to kill; it was the only part of the Pentagon that had been reinforced; the reconstruction was not finished, so there were relatively few people there; and it was the only part of the Pentagon that would have presented obstacles to a plane’s flight path (NPHR 76-78).
(14) Contrary to the claim of Pentagon officials that they did not have the Pentagon evacuated because they had no way of knowing that an aircraft was approaching, a military E-4B—the Air Force’s most advanced communications, command, and control airplane—was flying over the White House at the time. Also, although there can be no doubt about the identity of the plane, which was captured on video by CNN and others, the military has denied that it belonged to them (NPHR 96-98).
(15) The Secret Service, after learning that a second World Trade Center building had been attacked—which would have meant that terrorists were going after high-value targets—and that still other planes had apparently been hijacked, allowed President Bush to remain at the school in Sarasota, Florida, for another 30 minutes. It thereby revealed its foreknowledge that Bush would not be a target: If these had really been surprise attacks, the agents, fearing that a hijacked airliner was bearing down on the school, would have hustled Bush away. On the first anniversary of 9/11, the White House started telling a new story, according to which Bush, rather than remaining in the classroom several minutes after Andrew Card whispered in his ear that a second WTC building had been hit, immediately got up and left the room. This lie was told in major newspapers and on MSNBC and ABC television (NPHR 129-31).
(16) Given the fact that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 had steel columns running from their basements to their roofs, they simply could not have come down as they did—straight down at virtually free-fall speed—unless these columns had been sliced by means of explosives. Therefore, the official theory, according to which the buildings came down because of fire plus (in the case of the Twin Towers) the impact of the planes, is scientifically impossible (NPHR 12-25).
(17) The destruction of the Twin Towers had many other features—such as the horizontal ejections of steel beams, the melting of steel, and the sulfidation and thinning of steel—that can be explained only in terms of powerful explosives. For example, the fires could not have come within 1000 degrees Fahrenheit of the temperature needed to melt steel (30-36).
(18) Members of the FDNY (Fire Department of New York) provided oral histories shortly after 9/11 in which one fourth of them testified to having witnessed explosions in the Twin Towers. Explosions in the WTC 7 as well as the towers were also reported by city officials, WTC employees, and journalists (NPHR 27-30, 45-48, 51).
(19) Mayor Rudy Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News that day: “we set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street . . . , and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse. And it [the South Tower] did collapse before we could actually get out of the building.” However, there was no objective basis for expecting the towers to collapse; even the 9/11 Commission admitted that none of the fire chiefs expected them to come down. The FDNY oral histories show that the information that they were going to collapse came from the Office of Emergency Management—Giuliani’s own office. How could Giuliani’s people have known that the towers were going to come down, unless they knew that the buildings had been laced with explosives? (NPH 40)
(20) NIST, which produced the official reports on the Twin Towers and (recently) WTC 7, has been “fully hijacked from the scientific to the political realm,” so that its scientists are little more than “hired guns,” a former employee has reported, and the 9/11 Commission was no more independent, being run by Philip Zelikow, who was essentially a member of the Bush White House (NPHR 11, 238-51).
(21) The official story about 9/11 is now rejected by constantly growing numbers of physicists, chemists, architects, engineers, pilots, former military officers, and former intelligence officials (NPHR xi).
https://www.globalresearch.ca/septemb...
wow.. make it simple: yes. but the question is by whom? apparently there are so many deep state elements within our gov't.. https://theseedsof9-11.blogspot.com/
This was written by a friend of mine.. who was an eyewitness and later harassed by gov't agents. He still remains anon. I will never divulge who he is.. and then there was the UTUBE videos of the buildings which were not hit self demolishing.. and the structural engineers..
Isabella wrote: "wow.. make it simple: yes. but the question is by whom? apparently there are so many deep state elements within our gov't..
https://theseedsof9-11.blogspot.com/
This was written by a friend of min..."
I agree. The question is by whom or who, and the extent they played?
The more elements involved the harder it can become to contain the conspiracy, but that doesn't exclude it providing a greater means to pull it off or conceal it either . . . . In fact, if done right, it could harbor the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GgN...
https://theseedsof9-11.blogspot.com/
This was written by a friend of min..."
I agree. The question is by whom or who, and the extent they played?
The more elements involved the harder it can become to contain the conspiracy, but that doesn't exclude it providing a greater means to pull it off or conceal it either . . . . In fact, if done right, it could harbor the opposite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GgN...
Iain wrote: "Isabella wrote: "wow.. make it simple: yes. but the question is by whom? apparently there are so many deep state elements within our gov't..
https://theseedsof9-11.blogspot.com/
This was written b..."
Next question: what is the 'modus operandi?'
What does that core individual faction gain or what do those core factions gain, and is there unified gain?
Unified gain being key, as any combine in this manner strengthens solidarity in co-ordination and possibly scope when it comes to any cover-up and concealment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2OE...
https://theseedsof9-11.blogspot.com/
This was written b..."
Next question: what is the 'modus operandi?'
What does that core individual faction gain or what do those core factions gain, and is there unified gain?
Unified gain being key, as any combine in this manner strengthens solidarity in co-ordination and possibly scope when it comes to any cover-up and concealment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2OE...
Video unavailableThis video contains content from Warner Bros. Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. GUESS WHAT.. the JFK video.. is BLOCKED.. how about that?....
So as a LONG TIME JFK conspiracy theory buff,, reading all the books and new updates of films that are out there OTHER than the Zapruder film.. and I am just typing off the top of my head,, and a follower of other so called conspiracy theories it is about control of information by use of the main Gov't agencies like the CIA, whose mission statement by action is to deceive, deflect and disseminate information both true and untrue to keep "citizens" of all nations involved uninformed as the core truth. The M.O. is anyone who will sell themselves out for money, power or fame. OH btw Happy New Year.. :) 2020
Isabella wrote: "Video unavailable
This video contains content from Warner Bros. Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. GUESS WHAT.. the JFK video.. is BLOCKED.. how about that?...."
Bah . . . OK, well what about the Magic Bullet theory clip? It shoots from the hip, in a similar but different way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-s3...
This video contains content from Warner Bros. Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. GUESS WHAT.. the JFK video.. is BLOCKED.. how about that?...."
Bah . . . OK, well what about the Magic Bullet theory clip? It shoots from the hip, in a similar but different way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-s3...
Isabella wrote: "So as a LONG TIME JFK conspiracy theory buff,, reading all the books and new updates of films that are out there OTHER than the Zapruder film.. and I am just typing off the top of my head,, and a f..."
Happy New Year. Have a good one. :)
Happy New Year. Have a good one. :)
Do I believe in the Magic Bullet theory clip? No I don't believe in Magic Bullet, I am a scientist and the physics alone are impossible, but.. we can pretend for a moment.. there were at least three shooters who were SNIPERS and Lee Harvey Oswald while CIA trained was a patsy..like he said. He just didn't know he was so expendable. Since I have up I will take a look again.. :)
Isabella wrote: "Do I believe in the Magic Bullet theory clip? No I don't believe in Magic Bullet, I am a scientist and the physics alone are impossible, but.. we can pretend for a moment.. there were at least thre..."
I didn't think you would have believed that. I don't, that's for sure. :)
My point is that the 9/11 official version has contradictions and holes in it, like JFK narrative does.
My other and related point, via the use of comparison, is that there is similarities with 9/11 and the JFK case, most notably in the sense that the 'case is closed' in a official capacity to the extent that any further revelation appears to find itself muddied and tarred by being consigned to an entertaining 'whodunnit' novelty in a tabloid piece or a conspiracy bookshelf, provoking a tepid curiosity and sense of mystery instead of anger, accountability and the seeking of justice.
If you want to talk about the control over related information, being resigned to that perception might be the most pertinent here.
I didn't think you would have believed that. I don't, that's for sure. :)
My point is that the 9/11 official version has contradictions and holes in it, like JFK narrative does.
My other and related point, via the use of comparison, is that there is similarities with 9/11 and the JFK case, most notably in the sense that the 'case is closed' in a official capacity to the extent that any further revelation appears to find itself muddied and tarred by being consigned to an entertaining 'whodunnit' novelty in a tabloid piece or a conspiracy bookshelf, provoking a tepid curiosity and sense of mystery instead of anger, accountability and the seeking of justice.
If you want to talk about the control over related information, being resigned to that perception might be the most pertinent here.
I will have to look at more.. I did just see Larry Sabato's comments on the NON release by President Trump (who I am support) didn't release the JFK files which were promised YEARS ago.. I was one of the people who witnessed the LIVE shooting of Jack Ruby when I was a child.. 13 years old because I was home from school, kept track every since. I was very disappointed. anyway don't get me started.. I will look at this again, I could spend DAYS looking at this. I was going to comment on Gov Connelly's family,, but look at this.. I am going to read it now. http://educate-yourself.org/lte/zapru...
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Richard M. Dolan one of the best researchers around in my view...He's got a degree in history and one of the most unbias..."
Brilliant research by Richard M Dolan!!
One of the best and most credible versions of the events of 911.
I would recommend it as essential watching for anyone who is still having doubts about the reality of what happened on that day!!
Although i was never part of the 9/11 affair, i have seen other government "false flag" operations that were designed to be a reason to sent troops across the world!
The 2010 Soccer World Cup for one instance!!!