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Was 9/11 a false flag attack and 'Inside Job'? (GROUP POLL RESULT: 50% of you say YES)
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Jan 20, 2016 10:49AM
Yes, Irene. It seems obvious to me that that's what's meant by Inside Job, but you're right to point it out.
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Harry wrote: "Yes, Irene. It seems obvious to me that that's what's meant by Inside Job, but you're right to point it out."I feel Irene's point is a very important one as whenever you mention to mainstream thinkers that 9/11 was an Inside Job, they immediately reply with the usual comments like "you can't force that many people in government to keep a secret!" and things like that.
Point is, the US government and military are very compartmentalized and even the senior officials in each department all have their blinkers on...Possibly as few as 6 people at the very top could be aware of the real truth and all the rest in govt/military were carrying out strange orders, or involved in all the training drills, but not sure what the hell was going on (even tho many would be suspicious).
James Morcan wrote: "And this video too: 9/11 INTERCEPTED - Brought to you by Pilots For 9/11 Truth -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9115...
There was a go..."
The fires which were burning at +/- 1600F melted steel support girders that melt at +/- 2400F,
Clever fires!!!
Sorry for the attempt at wit!
Irene wrote: "Irene wrote: "James Morcan wrote: "Did you guys hear the theory that the masterminds behind 9/11 (assuming it was indeed an Inside Job) used training drills as a distraction?Apparently there were..."
Like the training drills in Vegas and LA in May 17-24th 2010 because of an attack that was scheduled and never happened because it was exposed! People were arrested and the attack did not happen!
John, am I right in speculating that there were there training drills occurring on the same day of every single major "Muslim" terror attack since 9/11?Paris, the Boston Marathon, London (7/7).
Which ones didn't have training drills going on?
Bali perhaps?
Lots of reports by Indonesian officials that the CIA were everywhere in Bali before those bombings, though.
James Morcan wrote: "John, am I right in speculating that there were there training drills occurring on the same day of every single major "Muslim" terror attack since 9/11?Paris, the Boston Marathon, London (7/7).
..."
Yes you are James! In fact on 911 there was a training drill that required NORAD to be shut off which is why it took so long to get fighters airborne.
As for Bali, yep again!
So what would be the mathematical odds I wonder of all these extensive military training drills (to prepare for terrorism) on the exact same day each one of these actual terrorist events occurred?I mean, how often do the military conduct drills of that nature in cities?
James Morcan wrote: "So what would be the mathematical odds I wonder of all these extensive military training drills (to prepare for terrorism) on the exact same day each one of these actual terrorist events occurred?..."
Well.... from the looks of it, the mathematical odds are in its favor... check out this website:
http://rense.com/general95/terrorll.html
Harry wrote: "Oops. Yeah, have changed that edition.Yeah, you're right about the increase in belief and awareness. I'm still waiting to see the evidence that 9/11 wasn't an inside job... (i.e - there's so much..."
I used to think that the way Prez. Bush spoke was a sign of stupidity and that he was being 'puppeted' by his father. Now when I revisit his comments about 9/11, I can see how his hesitations, stuttering, repetitivity, incomplete and ill formulated sentences has more to do with concealment than it does his intelligence.
Lisa wrote: "Harry wrote: "Oops. Yeah, have changed that edition.Yeah, you're right about the increase in belief and awareness. I'm still waiting to see the evidence that 9/11 wasn't an inside job... (i.e - t..."
Absolutely. I mean, have you seen that clip of when he hears about 9/11? He goes back to reading to kids that book about a goat!
Harry wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Harry wrote: "Oops. Yeah, have changed that edition.Yeah, you're right about the increase in belief and awareness. I'm still waiting to see the evidence that 9/11 wasn't an inside jo..."
Right!? What I think is fascinating, is the fact that they felt it was a good plan to have him reading to the kids when receiving the news.... kind of despicable... perhaps even manipulative as I'm sure they knew it was going to be a controversial subject, but in the end, it would show a soft side where he cared more for the children's sense of security than upsetting them... such a compassionate president!
Lisa wrote: "Harry wrote: "Lisa wrote: "Harry wrote: "Oops. Yeah, have changed that edition.Yeah, you're right about the increase in belief and awareness. I'm still waiting to see the evidence that 9/11 wasn'..."
Yes indeed!
Lisa wrote: "Well.... from the looks of it, the mathematical odds are in its favor... check out this website:http://rense.com/general95/terrorll.html ..."
I think you meant the mathematical odds are against such coincidences?
yes. ...in favor of there being a correlation. ..
Harry wrote: "Absolutely. I mean, have you seen that clip of when he hears about 9/11? He goes back to reading to kids that book about a goat! ..."Apparently that was a damn good children's book tho...And Dubbya was still a child at heart...
Coming soon: Sarah Palin's audio version.
lol....no promiscuous goat sex in that book, Harry!
Just found this group. Answering the question: Im 99,9% sure that 9/11 was an inside job. The 0,1% left is from being humble. Btw James, Ive bought your book (youll find out which one) and Im anxious to read it when I finish this one about the Islamist (sic) Tony Montana, Atta boy
Dear god. I might have to leave this group. Didn't realize it was all for conspiracy theorists.
Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Dear god. I might have to leave this group. Didn't realize it was all for conspiracy theorists."Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Dear god. I might have to leave this group. Didn't realize it was all for conspiracy theorists."
Define conspiracy theorists. I mean, Im pretty sure 9-11 was an inside job and CIA killed JFK, buuuuuuut I'm certain that Elvis did die and no ETs fell on Earth, never. How much % conspiracy theorist am I?
Btw I also do prefer dogs than humans as well! Have a nice week. All of you guys
Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Dear god. I might have to leave this group. Didn't realize it was all for conspiracy theorists."Hang in there Kirsten. This group ain't specifically for conspiracy theorists any more than it's for right-handed people...It's for open minded people wanting to "debate important and underreported issues of our era" - as per our mission statement. You'll see our membership includes academics, professionals and ordinary people (like myself) from all walks of life. ALL viewpoints welcome...including yours!
I see that not only Putin is saying he’ll expose the 9/11 truth, but that Donald Trump is as well.In this latest news Trump hints that Saudi Arabia are to blame, but he’s come out before with info on the Bush/Bin Laden connections.
http://www.charismanews.com/us/55313-...
Alex Jones’s reaction to it all is worth a watch if you want to have a snigger at one of his well known rants and passionate pleas– though I do worry that Jones is supporting Trump way too much and only seeing a tiny piece of the pie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdqd8...
Funny how fifteen years ago it was only crazy conspiracy theorists like David Icke and Alex Jones exposing 9/11 stuff, and now we have the likes of Putin and Trump agreeing, ain't it?Conspiracies? What a load of crazy bullshit - don't look into them!
I wouldn't really regard Putin or Trump as people whose words you can take at face value. Putin wants to take the US down a peg. Trump wants to do the same to the GOP.I don't think either of them knows anything, at least not anything that would resemble a smoking gun.
I agree with you about the calibre of Putin and Trump Jim. I guess we'll have to wait and see what/if anything comes out. But I still find it interesting that they're coming out with this stuff in the first place.
Jim, spot on. Always nice to hear a voice of reason pop up once in a while.
Putin might know from satellite surveillance that the paths of the airplanes did not follow the official story. They might have landed and been replaced by remote controlled aircraft. There might have been a drone or missile tracked on the way into the Pentagon, in addition to a possible overflight of the airliner.Trump knows the financial circles of New York enough that he might know about financial dealings of the Port Authority and Larry Silverstein, and maybe even, but probably not, some of those responsible for planting the explosives.
I agree 100%, Bruce - I definitely wouldn't discount what the likes of Putin and even Trump know. Putin in particular, who as leader (in 2001 and now) of one of the last remaining and/or re-emerging Superpowers, could actually hold the smoking gun re 9/11 or at least have very strong contributing evidence to push the Inside Job theory beyond reasonable doubt.
Therefore, I personally think Harry got it right on this one: It is amazing that 9/11 truth was seen as a laughable fringe movement a few years after 9/11, then in recent years has gradually become mainstream (e.g. polls by the likes of major media outlets such as CNN have repeatedly shown 50% or more of all Americans believe 9/11 was indeed an Inside Job)...And now we have a leading Presidential candidate in Trump saying if he becomes President of the US he will order a proper investigation of 9/11 as well a one of the top 3 political leaders in the world in Putin saying he's gonna blow the whole 9/11 official story to pieces once and for all.
Don't underestimate all that, guys.
p.s. Jim: the "voice of reason" is subjective, know what I mean?
Either or both could know something. I just think that one needn't assume they do just because they say so. They both have motives for lying.
Kirsten *Dogs Welcome - People Tolerated" wrote: "Dear god. I might have to leave this group. Didn't realize it was all for conspiracy theorists."Ditto everyone elses comments, but there is also a CIA training document that tells officers to use the term "conspiracy theorist" as one of the methods to discredit anyone who threatens to expose their secrets. This is the primary reason the term has a pejorative connotation and has been heavily used since the days of Roswell. President Bush's statement in the U.N. putting down "conspiracy theorists" about 9/11 is very telling, once you know this.
Bruce wrote: "Ditto everyone elses comments, but there is also a CIA training document that tells officers to use the term "conspiracy theorist" as one of the methods to discredit anyone who threatens to expose their secrets. This is the primary reason the term has a pejorative connotation and has been heavily used since the days of Roswell. President Bush's statement in the U.N. putting down "conspiracy theorists" about 9/11 is very telling, once you know this. ..."
Agreed - conspiracy theorists is a problematic term especially for those loosely labelled as such like myself who are predominantly researching and writing about little-known facts rather than theory and pure speculation.
I was watching RT yesterday. I blurb ran across the bottom. Paraphrase - A U.S. Judge decrees that Iran owes families of 9/11 10.5 billion dollars for damages. I don't think so, I don't believe it happen that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iran? How do they figure that?
James Morcan wrote: "Iran? How do they figure that?"Do you have to ask?
Um, well just wondering how they are trying to specifically pin it all on Iranians.Nothing would surprise me in this whole fiasco, I guess.
Don't know. I didn't take it any further.
Here's that story: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/article...From the short, uninformative article:
"(They) found that Iran had failed to defend claims that it aided the Sept. 11 hijackers and was therefore liable for damages tied to the attacks."
Sounds a bit murky to me.
Iran? Oh wait, they're about the only country in the Middle East still 'holding out against the US/West "invaders"' - we'd best point the finger of blame at them then.
Well, I'm gonna release my own 'news story':"We have found that after 15 years, the US has failed to remotely prove that the devout Islamic fundamentalists (who incidentally snorted Cocaine and hired pink-haired escorts the night before the attacks...) pulled off 9/11 all by themselves with box cutters and only a few basic aviation lessons."
I liked how that quote from the article says: "Iran failed to defend claims.."I thought it worked that you had to prove guilt not innocence.
I think in Mexico it's guilty until proven innocent
Andrew wrote: "Since this isn't an open forum..."This is an open forum, mate. Anyone can join and anyone post their thoughts and freely engage. Furthermore it's also a public forum meaning every post also shows up on Google searches and so non-Goodreads members can read all the discussion threads as well.
As to your concern:
I think if people are too emotionally fragile to receive new information or consider concepts they have never considered before (e.g. could 9/11 be an Inside Job on some level?), then that's a pretty minor issue from my perspective. If that would "damage" someone emotionally, well I'd guess they are pretty fragile indeed. Personally, I'm more focused on the very real damage the likes of the War on Terror are doing to communities all over the world...If a few people get "emotionally hurt" in the debate, that's a small price to pay, especially as that could be considered a temporarily wounded ego which can be a good thing for an individual in the long term...Keeps us grounded to lose arguments and I have had to reconsider or change my own opinions and admit I've been wrong numerous times in this group due to those with superior information or research that stopped me in my tracks and made me rethink.
In saying all that, I find adding humor at times can be helpful and it really doesn't pay to get personal with anyone.
Now, improv piano pieces aside, shall we return to the discussion topic at hand :)
Was 9/11 a false flag attack and 'Inside Job'?
Speaking for myself, occasionally I have to just tune it all out. It's sort of like I have to recharge my batteries for a while.Fortunately I have a lot of interests so I focus on something else for a while. The conspiracies aren't going anywhere.
I wouldn't say I'm shielded Andrew. For example, have been researching the Holocaust for months now and talking to Holocaust survivors etc, re a book and film project I'm doing, and it's really sickening stuff what humans do to each other - I personally find it can be overwhelming emotionally at times...some of the photographic evidence from that event alone are horrorfying!But at the same time I do find it stimulating to discuss or debate ideas with the bright minds in this group about all the hidden aspects of our world that mainstream media won't touch (which as yourself and Jim know often go beyond mere conspiracies to documented facts in declassified files etc).
Beyond that, do what ya gotta do to keep psychologically healthy!
Andrew wrote: "If you have a point to make, if you want to inform your viewers, do you need to consider the emotion affect the information you convey on them.What are you trying to achieve? I was conveying my r..."
Andrew -As we state up front in one of our early posts in this group...
"Many topics in this group, by their very nature will and must go beyond facts and explore various theories in order to cover all possible angles...angles that are not covered by MSM or mainstream academia...
"The challenge this group faces, of course, is that the subjects explored are often in direct contrast with the way most of us view the world, and they invariably contradict the official line – the line that politicians, corporate leaders and other persons of influence convincingly peddle – that most of us have been conditioned to accept without questioning since childhood...
"It’s our experience that people are prepared to entertain unfamiliar hypotheses when they are incorporated into novels or movies, but are considerably less open-minded when there’s no cozy fictional plot to soften the digestion of such concepts."
Thus intending members are forewarned what to expect if they join this group and participate in the various discussions. Beyond that, not sure what more we can or should do to avoid upsetting people's emotions... Some might say many topics are so important maybe people's emotions need upsetting a little from time to time.
I think taking time off helps me digest things. I my quotidian life I'm a software developer. From time to time I'll get stuck on a problem. I've solved quite a lot just by going out for a smoke. In a lower pressure situation, my brain seems to be able to find an answer.Taking time off is like that smoke break. I often have fresher insights when I jump back into it.
Lance Morcan wrote: "Andrew wrote: "If you have a point to make, if you want to inform your viewers, do you need to consider the emotion affect the information you convey on them.What are you trying to achieve? I was..."
Lance - You not only understand, you voiced it so well as someone who has a vested interest in what matters. There are times when we feel intent is from the heart and here, this is essential, because the content is so emotionally difficult to tackle.
As such, I test the waters, I have to.
James - Beyond that, do what ya gotta do to keep psychologically healthy!
I can't say, but I have to find a way to adapt. A little here, a little there, piece meal. I think you know what I was inferring.
Jim wrote: "I think taking time off helps me digest things. I my quotidian life I'm a software developer. From time to time I'll get stuck on a problem. I've solved quite a lot just by going out for a smoke. I..."Yes, I wanted to know how you're affected and how you process these events. I find myself, regurgitating over and over again trying to assimilate.
Agreed guys - you gotta unplug and I also agree it helps to have lots of varied interests so ya don't get bored of stuck or bogged down.Now coming back on topic...I have still been wondering what Putin is planning to release in Sept on 9/11...Some leaks from Russia are saying he's gonna blow the thing wide open, but I dunno if that's BS or what...
P.S. Jim, having a smoke also has neurological benefits (no matter what you're smoking) so it may not just be having a break but also the substance?
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