Queen Maas' Assassins discussion
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Queen of Shadows ~ Plot
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Jun 06, 2015 03:13PM
Does anyone know of any way I can read Queen of Glass? I really want to read it.
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Random thought: Do you guys imagine if by the end of QoS a Valg gets inside of Aelin and ends up like Dorian?
Wow I don't know. I doubt it but it would make a very interesting twist
I know Maas takes unexpected turns, but I really don't think that will happen. Possible, seeing as she doesn't have her powers at the moment though. . .I think by the end of this book they are either going to have collapsed one of the towers and brought magic back or are about to.
No, I don't think it will happen either. Just a random thought :)I agree about the towers, at least one has to be down by the end of the book.
You should probably look at a map while reading this to better understandDo you think the towers actually work how chaol thought they did? (Knocking one down will deactivate the others) or do you think that his guess might be wrong
These are the towers we know that are up.
1 Noll, Deserted Land (I know there's one in the deserted land I don't know where but I'm guessing Noll since it has this towery thing symbol)
2 Amaroth, Frozen Wastes (again I'm guessing because the tower symbol)
3 Orynth, Terrasen
4 Morath, Adarlan
Magic stops working if your in the area between these towers, but how come magic is cancelled out in Melisande, Fenharrow, and Eyllwe then?
I think there is a 5th tower in Bellhaven, Fenharrow and a 6th in Banjali, Eyllwe.
These 6 towers cover all of Erilea. (except the top and right parts of Terrasen, and the top part right side of Adarlan but let's just ignore that) Chaol only experimented with 3 imitation towers. If 1 of the real towers were knocked down, I don't think it will destroy the rest. I think 3 is the minimum amount of towers you can have because 3 towers will have area inbetween (2 towers will just be a line, and 1 tower will just be 1 tower)
So in order to successfully destroy all the towers they will need to get rid of 4/6 rather than 1/3.
I also think if this is right, some of the magical beings (or people) could have escaped to the very top at very right of Terrasen, or the top part, right side of Adarlan.
I may be wrong about the location of the towers, but I hope this makes a good discussion.Also a lot of the edges of Erilea are not in between the towers.
Wait. they had discusses about three towers and three energy flow. so why do you mean 6 towers?
I'm saying 6 towers because with how the 3 towers are laid out they only cover about half of Erilea. The magic not working shouldn't effect the other half, yet it does. Which is why I think there might be 6 towers not 3.
There are also 4 tower locations that we know for sure Orynth, Morath, Noll, and Amaroth, so having 2 more makes sense (unless I'm wrong about the 4 towers)
I remember they had spoken of a triangle that had "closed" magic.. but maybe you are right and there are more towers. But I remember Aedion's speech of three flows of magic...
Interesting... But in Heir of Fire it was stated that there were only three towers. However, you are right about the how is it possible for countries like Eyllwe, Fenharrow and Terrasen to be baned of magic. I started to think that when the final tower was built, using his powers, the King did something that brought every single piece of magic from all over Erilea to be like... traped? in that triangle that those towers form together. Maybe it came from the veeery outside and smushed into the triangle (God I don't know if I'm making any sense, I hope you understand)
I agree with you.. It's not that just what physically is inside the triangle is trapped. The triangle was just the instrument to close all magic over Erilea.. In the second chapter of QoS Aelin said that in the sea as she was going near to Erilea her magic vanished. SO is not a triangle perimeter.. It's like three lines that its throwing power extended in a 360grade radius.. It's difficult to explain I imagine a triangle and from that a circle that include all Erilea
Giada wrote: "It's not that just what physically is inside the triangle is trapped. The triangle was just the instrument to close all magic over Erilea.. In the second chapter of QoS Aelin said that in the sea as she was going near to Erilea her magic vanished. SO is not a triangle perimeter.. It's like three lines that its throwing power extended in a 360grade radius.. It's difficult to explain I imagine a triangle and from that a circle that include all Erilea "
Exactly! Like the triangle does not only hold magic inside of it, but from the border of it to the outside prevents the magic from working. I hope this gets explained in QoS.
And they had to figure out how to destroy the towers. In the experiment Chaol had understand that it's dangerous without precautions.. So I think they will not destroy the towers int this book. I imagine they will save Aedion, fight Arobynn to have bach the Amulet and than they will go to Morath to discover what happened there.. And in the 5.Book destroy towers and find alleys around the continent like silent assassins or Ansel
Giada wrote: "And they had to figure out how to destroy the towers. In the experiment Chaol had understand that it's dangerous without precautions.. So I think they will not destroy the towers int this book. I imagine they will save Aedion, fight Arobynn to have bach the Amulet and than they will go to Morath to discover what happened there.. And in the 5.Book destroy towers and find alleys around the continent like silent assassins or Ansel."Maybe maybe. SO many possibilities with this book.
Three months and then this endless waiting will end!!!!
Giada wrote: "Three months and then this endless waiting will end!!!!"YES! This will be so freacking epic.
What's scary to think about is that after QOS, we will be past the half way mark of this series (there are six books, correct?). I cannot even imagine what Maas has in store for us. But I definitely hope that magic comes back to Adarlan in this book. I think that would get things moving towards some kind of revolution or uprising of sorts.
There are three books left. What of course will happen is freedom of magic, fae return in erilea, alley from all over the continent will come, arobynn's end, war with the kin and his creatures, free dorian...so many things... Are three books enough?! ahahah
I hope 3 books isn't enough so we can get more books XD
Ale wrote: "Because the King is not stupid and knows better than messing with Arobynn. There are moments when I think those two have been making plans together for years."Totally agree they have some kind of alliance.
I think it makes sense if he was the assassin who retrieved Aelin. Maybe the king saw how powerful her fire magic was and wanted to use her power on his side, so he let Arobynn train her and make her hate her heritage. When she almost left the Keep, Arobynn turned her over to the king. The king must've known that Celaena was Aelin (eyes are a dead giveaway), but he let her compete and become the Royal Assassin so he could keep a closer eye on her. And then he was chill about letting her go to Wendlyn where she could practice magic ... and now Arobynn's back and wants her under his control again.
:'( May not even know until the fifth or sixth book but I have a feeling that Arobynn's not gonna be so easy to kill. Thoughts?
I think the king must've realized that Celaena was Aelin or at least part of the Ashryver/Galathynius line. How could he not notice her golden hair and turquoise eyes that are the same as Aedion's? Because the King of Adarlan surely can't be that blind/ignorant right?
I think the exact same thing. It is so obvious that she is Aelin just by the eyes! I am eager to read QoS to see if he knew it was her or if he is really that stupid
I am not sure. The king as Celeane the mark on her forehead has seen, has he doesn't undestand her blood relation. He fielt something, as a protection but didn't understand the real connection
After the King pulled that adfjls;vwr quadruple trap with Dorian, Chaol, Aedion, and Sorscha at the end of HoF, I don't think he's really that stupid *sob*
mmh we'll see. But I don't think the king had discovered the truth. He will figure it out at the ball I imagine...
Kelly wrote: "Hannah Mae wrote: "I agree with Ale, why kill of a demon Lord like Arobynn when you can use him as an ally?"OMG, I'm reading Q of G right now, and just found out that Perrington was the killer no..."
I don't think Arobynn would have killed Aelin's parents either, but I think he killed Lady Marion
No, I don't think he knows who Celeana really is. He doesn't have a damn idea about her mark in the forehead... Not even suspect about who he has sent to Wendlyn... He's not stupid, but he's wicked and selfish and so selftrusted that he can't place a mistake like that in his life. And guess what??? I'm rooting for the scene in which he notices who is his assasin! Imagine his rage!!!!
Noris wrote: "No, I don't think he knows who Celeana really is. He doesn't have a damn idea about her mark in the forehead... Not even suspect about who he has sent to Wendlyn... He's not stupid, but he's wicke..."
Imagine his end. I'm ready to be done with him
I don't think Arobynn is involded in the death of her parents or of Lady Marion.If he did, that he had tried to kill little Aelin and than saved her fron the river?? It sounds unbelieveble
I think he just was in the right place in the right moment
Noris wrote: "No, I don't think he knows who Celeana really is. He doesn't have a damn idea about her mark in the forehead... Not even suspect about who he has sent to Wendlyn... He's not stupid, but he's wicke..."
I totally agree with you. The king isn't stupid but so proud of himself that he couldn't imagine he failed, missed. Maybe now that he knows that Aelin is alive, could he putting two and two together. Or maybe he just think that Celeana is a traitor, who had helped her queen of Terrassen. I don't think he will find out the truth until Dorian's party
I too don't think the King has it all figured out, if anything he may have subconsciously know it but I agree that it won't be confirmed until later on. But for sure he's aware of the Queen's existence. He most likely would be focused on Aelin betraying him, it'll click then that she's both
The king either hasn't realized who his champion really is, or he doesn't see her as a viable threat. Either way, he's blind drunk on power.
Alexis wrote: "The king either hasn't realized who his champion really is, or he doesn't see her as a viable threat. Either way, he's blind drunk on power."He's not that blind. He knows when there are traitors amongst him. He knew about Aedion's betrayal, he also knows about Aelin's but he doesn't know of their true identity. I'm sure he knows that Aelin's skills are underestimated, I mean he saw how she was during the contest. She won as his champion for a reason, he knows she's capable of something. But he just doesn't know the other half of it, hah
I think he's suspicious but doesn't know for sure
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I think the King believed that Aelin is dead (this goes with my theory of Arobynn being the Galathyniuses' assassin, and the King having the Aelin's heirloom). And we got his POV in ToG where he's speculating about the sign in Celaena's eyebrows, he didn't mention her eyes though. In CoM/HoF, he also didn't even think about his champion being Aelin, she is a great warrior to defeat his enemy, yes...but sending Aelin to Wendlyn? Hmmm.. In fact, when Chaol proposed it to the King, supported by his generals esp Chaol's father, he accepted it immediately!What I think is.... the King has the heirloom and it is still protecting Aelin! Unless all those times that Celaena tried to hide her eyes were so effective...including her trial in TAB.
Now, how did the King got the heirloom if Aelin fled with it? Simply, the one who found her gave it to the King as a testimony of fulfillment of his duty...and that assassin is Arobynn Hamel. (And this is maybe why the King believed that Aelin is dead. Stories were that the Aelin's body was never found and she fell in the river. Of course the King wanted to have her finished, and if the King still think Aelin is alive, he would suspect Celaena or any Ashryver-eyed girl as being Aelin....which he didn't.)
(And Arobynn always. ALWAYS. cover Celaena up. Cover her up so that no one would know that a certain blond and blue-and-gold-eyed girl is under Arobynn's "care".)*
We know that when the King had the royal family assassinated, the magic was not yet stopped. Aelin erupted in a column of fire and her mother bring forth a wall of water. No, magic was not yet stopped when the family died. Only after, when the King went on finishing in conquering Terrasen. Enough time for Arobynn to give the wyrdkey to the King, and for the King to use it to stop magic.
*Now, now, I'm thinking. What if Arobynn knew that the heirloom is the one protecting Aelin? That would explain why he gives no care about sending her to the mines and be trialed by the King himself? Buuuuut... her eyes were not protected from other people, so if the King heard what she looked like, he would suspect Arobynn!
/sorry for the long long long theory rant.
Interesting, but I don't think the king has already the amuleth of Orynth... That would make him... Unstopable.... XDBy the way, I do think Arobyn is planing or has done something terrible with the amuleth... I've come to think that Arobyn has magic too... May be he feels the magic coming from the amuleth or something
What if he gave the amulet to lysandra? Lol. I don't really think that, but what a dick move it would of been.
From CoM, for the King to stop magic, he needed two wyrdkeys at least. I'm thinking one is from Elena's crown and the other is the heirloom...that left one more./just my thoughts
Do you guys think the king has 2 wryd keys or 1 (I feel like we talked about this before but I forgot)I think he has 1.
He has two. The one from Elena tomb and the other from the vulcano near desert
He has the one from the tomb for definite. Don't know for sure if he has the one from the volcano but I seriously doubt he'd have left without it. I think they should all be tossed into the volcano like the ring from LOTR.
