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Travis wrote: "Rick wrote: "I’ve only seen the first 2 episodes of What If? I’ve liked them both. But I don’t have a real feel for the whole series yet."Again, I like the show, but that's despite the writing. It's a weird beast."
Even as a comic book, What If? was a weird beast.
Travis wrote: "Rick wrote: "No idea what to think of Star Trek Prodigy yet."Basically, the guys working on New Trek are proudly announcing that they've invented Farscape. Has potential."
I thought it was animated? Farscape is “Muppets in space.” And I say that with both love and admiration for BOTH Farscape and The Muppets, and there was an episode of Farscape that was animated (but that’s besides the point), the whole point of muppets is the puppeteering. If it’s animated, it’s not puppets.
If you break down sci-fi/fantasy shows to their very basic formula - how many do you come up with? How much in common does Doctor Who have with Sliders? How similar are Space: 1999 and Star Trek really? If Star Trek is Wagon Train in space and Star Trek Deep Space Nine is Rifleman in space, are these two shows even in the same concept formula family?
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Firefly is even more those concepts than ST ever was.
Totally. But the fundamental concept of the original Star Trek was something along the lines of Wagon Train in space. Deep Space Nine was sold as The Rifleman in space. Firefly is actually more of a western in a lot of ways than a sci-fi show. But I’m talking about the fundamental structure of the show, not the trappings of the genre. Firefly is about a group of people traveling around selling goods from location to location, and being wanted by the authorities.
Farscape is about being in unfamiliar territory and being on the run and hunted by the authorities.
Star Trek TOS is about exploration, but in control of where you go.
Space: 1999 is about looking for a new home (or a way back home) with no control of where you go.
Lost in Space is about looking for a new home with no control of where you go.
Doctor Who is about traveling, not really about exploration, with (depending on which season and Doctor you’re watching) little to some control of where your going.
Well, the trailer for the Foundation was...something.Without the logo, I couldn't have told you what it was.
I thought it was a trailer for Dune.
Why are there no light bulbs in the future?
When they say the future is dark, they don't mean that literally Hollywood.
Hollywood has always had a problem with shining the light on subjects they’re up uncomfortable with.
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Without the logo, I couldn't have told you what it was.
I thought it was a trailer for Dune.
Why are there no light bulbs in the future?
When ..."
The lighting in the movie preview is very dark. I think they're trying to invoke the depth and darkness of space.
Dune has it's own light levels.
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Rick wrote: "Hollywood has always had a problem with shining the light on subjects they’re up uncomfortable with."
Very true.
Lori S. wrote: "The lighting in the movie preview is very dark. I think they're trying to invoke the depth and darkness of space. ..."Let’s just hope they’re not trying to channel Zack Snyder’s esthetic.
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Let’s just hope they’re not trying to channel Zack Snyder’s e..."
That too. :0)
It's just annoying that so much sci-fi lately looks cookie cutter.'Things are grim and dark..."
hey, how about if we make that literal, with the lighting...! You know, just in case nobody pays attention to the script and dialogue.
Steve, I see a great future for you in Hollywood!
Sigh. If only you were not speaking so factually.
And it’s so frustrating that so many people making the decisions on sci-fi, superhero, and fantasy films don’t seem to understanding that “dark” doesn’t mean “mature” and that “adult entertainment” doesn’t mean “graphic sex.” 🙄
Rick wrote: "And it’s so frustrating that so many people making the decisions on sci-fi, superhero, and fantasy films don’t seem to understanding that “dark” doesn’t mean “mature” and that “adult entertainment”..."What most people in hollywood and comics think is 'adult' is actually, pretty 'adolescent'.
Travis wrote: "What most people in hollywood and comics think is 'adult' is actually, pretty 'adolescent'. "Truth.
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Most definitely.
So, I just got twenty bucks in amazon points.Do I want to buy Fury from the deep or pre-order Evil of the Daleks...?
For what it’s worth, I vote for Fury From the Deep.
Rick wrote: "For what it’s worth, I vote for Fury From the Deep."I'm leaning that way, becuase if I order it, I can watch it in a couple days.
Evil of the Daleks, I'd have to wait a whole month...who has that kind of patience?
After having to wait a whole year for stuff like Black Widow, Shang-Chi, No Time To Die and Dune - and having to condition myself as a kid to wait for a whole month, month after month, for the next issue of Kamandi or the Fantastic Four - and having to wait for longer and longer periods of time for fewer and fewer episodes of Doctor Who ... yeah, I’m not going to say anything.
Oh goodie, I made a comment in the comment thread of a youtube reviewer I occasionally chat with, and someone else did not appreciate my humor and observations.I'll chat with anybody, but getting annoyed because I don't like something as much as you...always fun.
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I'll chat with anybody, but getting..."
There's always someone who doesn't appreciate your humor or ideas, etc.
Lori S. wrote: "Travis wrote: "Oh goodie, I made a comment in the comment thread of a youtube reviewer I occasionally chat with, and someone else did not appreciate my humor and observations.I'll chat with anybo..."
It just amuses me.
The stuff I say online where I'm thinking 'that'll get me in trouble. brace yourself', almost never gets me in trouble.
It's always the offhand, harmless stuff that earns me an 'Actually..."
I’ve the same to be true for my comments as well. It’s the stuff I’m not being serious at all about and just typing for the halibut (so to speak), that’s usually when the ship hits the fandom.
Rick wrote: "I’ve the same to be true for my comments as well. It’s the stuff I’m not being serious at all about and just typing for the halibut (so to speak), that’s usually when the ship hits the fandom."I've had my bad encounters and these days, I chat with people I like and walk away from the trolls etc.
But, it always surprises and amuses me what draws the interwebs attention to me.
Travis wrote: "So, I just got twenty bucks in amazon points.Do I want to buy Fury from the deep or pre-order Evil of the Daleks...?"
And my company did well enough that I did get a bonus this quarter.
I may buy both!
Travis wrote: "And my company did well enough that I did get a bonus this quarter. I may buy both!"Do it! DO IT!
Rick wrote: "Travis wrote: "And my company did well enough that I did get a bonus this quarter. I may buy both!"Do it! DO IT!"
And they are offering a really nice 'Scream of the Shalka' DVD.
I'm seeing a lot of DVDs in my future.
I'm not keeping up with much Who news, as it seems a worrying jumble, but I have real mixed feelings on Russell coming back.Want to be excited and happy, but too many niggling details in my brain to do more than think 'I hope this works out'.
It’s Russell T Davies. I’m excited. I’m thrilled. All is right with the world. Nothing could possibly go wrong. Okay, a lot could go wrong. But I’ll worry about that when (if) it happens.
Now I’m just biting my nails until the announcement that Olly Alexander is going to be next Doctor. Please. Please. Please.
Or … BEN WHISHAW (swoon)
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Okay, a lot could go wrong. But I’ll worry about that when (if) it happens.
Now I..."
Both are cuties, I must say.
Hmmm 🧐 Ben Whishaw as the Doctor = 1-part Peter Capaldi, 1-part Matt Smith, 1-part Paul McGann and 1-part Sylvester McCoy
Olly Alexander as the Doctor = 1-part David Tennant, 1-part Colin Baker, 1-part Jodie Whittaker and 1-part Christopher Eccleston
Rick wrote: "It’s Russell T Davies. I’m excited. I’m thrilled. All is right with the world. Nothing could possibly go wrong. Okay, a lot could go wrong. But I’ll worry about that when (if) it happens.
Now I..."
This is one of my problems, with the changes coming to Who.
We need a 'troughton lady Doctor'.
Otherwise, Jodi becomes a fluke or gimmick, or if you are one of the angry jerks on the internet, a mistake.
Immediately going back to a guy feels like 'Well, we tried that and it didn't work' reset.
So, even an actor I like will get little enthusiasm out of me if they're male.
I hear ya. There’s gonna be a lot of that, no matter who they pick. But we gotta remember that chances are pretty darn good that we’ll have another Doctor sooner than we want, no matter who they pick this time.
I kinda just love (enjoy would be better, but whatever) this period of limbo when we know we’re getting a new Doctor, but we don’t know who they will be or what their personality will be like. It’s kind of like that period when you’re first making a new D&D character and you have all these cool things you want to do and try and the anticipation just bubbles your imagination into a boil.
Watching the Star Trek episode 'Squire of Gothos', got me thinking, Who needs to bring back the Celestial Toymaker.
I agree. Although, they have in Big Finish. But it would be great to have him back in an actual televised episode.
Rick wrote: "I agree. Although, they have in Big Finish. But it would be great to have him back in an actual televised episode."They've done a lot of dark, cosmic types.
I'd like to see someone like the Toymaker, that's just messing around for the fun of it.
Travis wrote: "… I'd like to see someone like the Toymaker, that's just messing around for the fun of it. "You mean other than the Doctor of course. 😹😹😹
Started watching 'Destiny of the Daleks ( "Oh look...rocks!") and then my Troughton DVD showed up.Decisions, decisions...
Destiniy of the Daleks: Some good moments, but it doesn't't quite pull together.Man, you can tell they had fifty bucks and whatever costumes and props were in the warehouse to make this one.
Romana #2 is well written. Lalla does a nice job. I love that outfit.
I like the Movelions.
Shame we don't see them again for another thirty years. Lots of potential.
A fun, but flawed romp.
Somebody (the comics or BF) need to a collection that's all stories where one time aliens get a second story: The Movelions, Dominators, Nimons, etc.Be nice if they faced off against a different Doctor, but I'm flexible on that bit
I could totally see Big Finish doing this.
City of death: Timey-whimey, and full of wonderfully quotable dialogue.Just a fun romp.
Shame Dugan never became a companion. Would have loved to have seen him and K-9 interact.
You think the Jagaroth and Clara ever bumped into each other when they were both scattered through time?
City of Death is now the only story arc I don’t own. I’ve not seen it for years. I’m troubled by Clara, because Moffat created her to totally destroy the Doctor‘s credibility. She now gets credit for retroactively saving the Doctor again and again and again. Suddenly the Doctor had no agency without her.
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Agreed.
Rick wrote: "City of Death is now the only story arc I don’t own. I’ve not seen it for years. I’m troubled by Clara, because Moffat created her to totally destroy the Doctor‘s credibility. She now gets credit..."
Yeah, Clara is Moffett's 'magical girl' trope run amok.
She was a cute gimmick at first and then she became this cosmic bit of fanfic.
Travis wrote: "Yeah, Clara is Moffett's 'magical girl' trope run amok. She was a cute gimmick at first and then she became this cosmic bit of fanfic."Totally. The character has really soured me on rewatching those seasons she’s in. Which is sad, but true. I also feel like it was longer than two and half years. But, am I remembering that correctly, she was on just two and half seasons?
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Basically, the guys working on New Trek are proudly announcing that they've invented Farscape.
Has potential.