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Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?
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I didn't mean UFO activity automatically entails an extra-terrestrial presence. It could be secret projects from the air force or have some other orientation. By it's definition it is unknown. More investigation yes, but we can't assume we know what bright lights in the sky mean without real evidence.
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SHOCK CLAIM: Human DNA ‘was designed by aliens’, say scientists http://www.express.co.uk/news/science...HUMAN DNA was designed by ALIENS, scientists who spent 13 years working on the human genome have sensationally claimed.
Maybe we need to step back and do some serious thinking "What I think all of this means to the average and sincere member of the UFO community is the extreme importance of forming beliefs wisely. The UFO topic has clearly been manipulated by a variety of demographics for a number of purposes from the 1940's forward. "quoted from the UFO site. See this article http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2017/07/...
GeekyFreakyScientist wrote: "That doesn't make any sense if you were studying DNA how would you know it was made by anybody. ..."Not being a scientist, I have no idea. However, if I was to hazard a guess, I would say it's similar to those scientists who say they have studied the universe and space or other deep aspects of the world we are in, and have concluded it is artificially made and hasn't evolved organically and might be a simulated reality (there is a quantum physics term for this theory/phenomenon, which I forget).
So with our DNA, I would think these scientists have seen a series of anomalies in the human genome which they conclude is not organic or couldn't have evolved purely from (Earthbound) nature alone. From what I gather from the article, something extraterrestrial or "alien" has influenced human DNA, in their assessment.
I'm not saying I necessarily believe their theory...Like I say, I have no idea and just presenting their research and assessment...Interesting tho, that these scientists would come out and categorically state this, you must admit...
Actually I probably should have just used the word artificial in relation to the simulated reality idea - which is Not quantum tunnelling to my (limited) knowledge, but more along the holographic universe or matrix idea.Not sure the DNA being non-Earthbound equates to being artificial, you're right.
Beyond that, I'm fresh outta ideas (and guesses!) and you'd need to research more from these two research scientists themselves. I believe they've published papers on their human genome studies
One of the world's highest ranking alien believers, Former Minister of Defense of Canada, Paul Hellyer, talks about the existence of extraterrestrials and visitations to the Earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtI1u...Canada's former minister of National Defense Paul Hellyer testified at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure (CHD) last month in Washington D.C. that aliens are living among us and that it is likely at least two of them are working with the U.S. government.
Canadian Minister Paul Hellyer, who believes disclosure of extraterrestrial life is imminent and Alien UFOs are well established, made the statements at the non-governmental hearings chaired by six former U.S. congressmen and aimed at, according to the event's website, doing "what the U.S. Congress had failed to do for forty-five years seek out the facts surrounding the most important issue of this or any other time evidence pointing toward a UFO presence engaging the human race."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtI1u...
Unacknowledged: An Expose Of The World's Greatest Secret by Steven M. GreerThe Biggest Lie in History is about to be Shattered.
UFOs are real. In late June of 1947, three extraterrestrial craft were downed outside Roswell Air Force Base. Many more followed, revealing dozens of ET species and a Rosetta Stone to a new physics an energy generation and propulsion system responsible for interstellar space travel. This new system could have easily replaced oil, gas, coal, nuclear plants and with them, the entire geo-political and economic order on our planet -- only a cabal of bankers, the Military Industrial Complex, and Big Oil stopped it. We've been lied to. And now, 70 years after Roswell the witnesses to that lie have come forward to testify in a MUST-READ book that will shock the world. Look for the accompanying documentary to be released from The Orchard, a division of Sony.
I tend to think Nick Redfern's ideas about Roswell are closer to the facts. (Body Snatchers in the Desert)
Jim wrote: "I tend to think Nick Redfern's ideas about Roswell are closer to the facts. (Body Snatchers in the Desert)"Tend to agree.
GeekyFreakyScientist wrote: "That would make sense how would they know it's artificial? And are you talking about Quantum Tunneling? (Which is random I don't know). How do people even know what's artificial vs. what's not? Jus..."Quantum tunneling is a fact. They have discovered "wormholes" that form in the spot where the solar wind merges again after hitting the earths magnetosphere (x marks the spot). These "quantum wormholes" are used to draw energy from (with probes) then transmitted, then excessivly used by CERN. It was agreed in a multinational science meeting that there was a maximum limit to how much energy would be permitted to put in on the CERN experiments, and that safe limit is passed with maximum usage now well over a hundred times what was permitted. CERN does not adhere or obey anyone or any country, only the ones that runs things from behind the curtain. When they use this amount of energy it causes the earths shields to partially collaps, and put every single living being at great risk. They literally have no clue what they are doing, they guess, and then do a trial, and see what happens. Many incidents has happened there and been silenced. Quakes in areas where they have put hadron colliders are common (Italy etc), for some seriously stupid reason they think that even if they dont know what happens when one goes bananas, it is a good idea to put several of them togheter and serial connect them. Further idiotic things is that they are using a "metatrons cube" to further enhance this.
The science behind the "open experiments" does not call for such extensive use of energy, or serial connecting them, or such enormus colliders. How ever, the non public non diclosed experiments probably do. Look in to the science used, and the companies that has brought each piece of the "science" there and you will find it all ties to specific companies, skinwalker ranch, Lockheed, Raytheon, etc. The specific technology is far outside what has been invented as a natural progression. That in it self speaks to only a few possibilities:
A: non human origin
or
B: secret geniouses Inventing and things being developed black budget style. Now a bit can be explained that way, but not all. It is literally like them having space age tech and not selling or telling and letting us live in stoneage tech society.
Or
C: Instructions, Information, and influx of technology, reverse engineering etc of far superior technology and knowledge.
Occams razor.. what is most likely?
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That topic is not the main part of the book, but is only mentioned in passing. I thought it was funny.
Odd 'Alien Autopsy' Feud Erupts https://www.coasttocoastam.com/articl...The infamous 1995 'alien autopsy' film ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmFx... ) has found its way back into the news due to a strange dispute between its creators.
The seventeen-minute piece of footage which aired on national television over twenty years ago as a 'blockbuster' special, has become notorious in paranormal circles as an embarrassing hoax that has lingered in the zeitgeist for far too long.
Unfortunately, the 'alien autopsy' has emerged to haunt UFO enthusiasts yet again by way of a brewing battle between two of the men responsible for making it.
The drama began earlier this week following a one-man-show presented by Spyros Melaris, who detailed how he had filmed the footage in his London apartment.
No doubt eliciting chuckles from his audience, the filmmaker explained how he enlisted friends and family to act in the movie and used animal organs obtained from a butcher to convey the ET's entrails.
While Melaris' presentation was hardly a revelation to any serious student of ufology nor anyone remotely skeptical of the film, it apparently caught the attention of Ray Santilli, the producer who originally purchased the footage from him back in the 1990's.
Responding to Melaris' show, he advanced a claim which he has been insisting on since the fabricated nature of the footage first emerged.
Santilli says that he once saw an actual film of an alien autopsy, ostensibly from the Roswell crash, and that the faked footage was merely a re-creation of that event.
As one can imagine, this did not sit well with Melaris, who declared that never saw this purported footage, only a piece of film that was shown to him by Santilli and later debunked.
Clearly annoyed that his account of the events is being called into question, the frustrated filmmaker is certain that there was no genuine autopsy film and has even offered to take a lie detector test in order to prove the veracity of his account.
Not to be outdone, Santilli has now also agreed to be strapped into a polygraph so that he can prove that he is the one telling the truth.
It's uncertain how this latest chapter of 'As the Alien Autopsy Turns' will be resolved, but it would be somewhat fitting to see the feud settled where it all began: on national television to the horror of ufologists everywhere.
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The craft was referred to as an AAV-- anomalous aerial vehicle, and multiple sightings of such craft were observed over a number of days leading up to the Nimitz incident. A USO (unidentified submersible object) was seen underneath the AAV, and the aerial craft seemed to be docking with the object on water, before darting off at an enormous speed, Corbell recounted. The AAV's unknown technology was captured in this leaked footage of the incident.
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I think my Daughter was stationed on the Nimitz on 2004. I'm going to ask her about this.
Beth wrote: "I think my Daughter was stationed on the Nimitz on 2004. I'm going to ask her about this."Excellent!
Lance wrote: "Beth wrote: "I think my Daughter was stationed on the Nimitz on 2004. I'm going to ask her about this."Excellent!"
I asked my Daughter, & unfortunately her tour of duty ended when the Nimitz returned from the Gulf War to San Diego. So this UFO incident happened after she had left the Service & she said she never heard about it. So close, but yet so far away. LOL
Beth wrote: "Lance wrote: "Beth wrote: "I think my Daughter was stationed on the Nimitz on 2004. I'm going to ask her about this."Excellent!"
I asked my Daughter, & unfortunately her tour of duty ended when ..."
Ah well... we can't win them all. Thanks for asking, Beth.
James wrote: "Odd 'Alien Autopsy' Feud Erupts https://www.coasttocoastam.com/articl...The infamous 1995 'alien autopsy' film ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmFx... ) has fou..."
It's interesting that there's still stuff going on re; that autopsy film.
I don't think I ever knew that it had officially been declared a hoax, but back in '95, I thought (like virtually every other person and every other person who believes aliens are visiting earth) it was blatantly a hoax from the offset. You only had to watch the footage. :)
What if they are already amongst us? What if "they live"? Would you recognise an alien? Scientists suggest that extra-terrestrials may be shaped by natural selection and could 'look like us' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetec...
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Unlikely. Think of all the racial differences in appearance on Earth. And, concerning psychology, can an alien be a sincere Jimi Hendrix fan?
John wrote: "Unlikely. Think of all the racial differences in appearance on Earth. And, concerning psychology, can an alien be a sincere Jimi Hendrix fan?"I think they could be Bowie fans... : )
Socorro UFO Case https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...Kevin D. Randle is a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel who toured in both Vietnam and Iraq. He'll address his latest work on the UFO landing at Socorro which has been wrapped in controversy almost from the moment in 1964 that police officer Lonnie Zamora watched a craft descend and land. Zamora saw alien beings near the craft and a symbol on its side but was told that he shouldn’t mention either.
If you are asking the question are aliens real or not, you are obviously not one of the initiated. Looking for proof when the body of evidence that supports it is so vast it could fill a dozen libraries amounts to you believing none of it.
Christopher wrote: "If you are asking the question are aliens real or not, you are obviously not one of the initiated. Looking for proof when the body of evidence that supports it is so vast it could fill a dozen libraries amounts to you believing none of it...."Disagree, Christopher.
Your assumption that I disbelieve for merely asking the question is the old confusion that healthy skepticism (even if combined with open-mindedness) means denial or refusal to believe.
I have my own personal beliefs on the subject, but don't believe subjective analysis is valid. One must approach these things objectively, scientifically and also in a journalistic way. And every scientist and good journalist knows that often a vast "body of evidence", as you refer to, leaning in one direction does not always equate to proof or correctness at the end of the day...And sometimes massive surprises or twists are revealed when everything is fully studied/researched.
In other words, being "agnostic" and remaining on the fence about many of these mysteries is the only honest path...Otherwise we fall into the trap of believing without proof (gullibility)...which is as dangerous as disbelieving before something has been debunked (cynicism).
Ah, James. There is no mystery. You still seek the smoking gun. It's obvious your own personal experiences don't include anything to do with aliens. "Experience supersedes belief, my friend."
Even direct experience can deceive us at times. For example, there is some evidence (albeit minimal) to say the Grays (by far the most common alien reported by abductees) are actually man-made AI robots. That theory is supported by some intelligence agency whistleblowers (who admittedly could be disinformation agents).So Not saying that's necessarily true about the Greys, but it's potentially one example where anecdotal evidence must still be taken with a grain of salt. Another example is people all over the world, and throughout history, claim to have direct experience talking to, or meeting, God...
Christopher wrote: "If you are asking the question are aliens real or not, you are obviously not one of the initiated. Looking for proof when the body of evidence that supports it is so vast it could fill a dozen libr..."Yo Chris - I'd be interested to know your personal definition of "proof" and "evidence". Sounds like you may be confusing one with t'other.
Grays also resemble "beings" experienced under the influence of DMT.
Good point. Another possibility is Grays can also be spiritual or psychic (interdimensional?) beings (scientists might call them hallucinatory), rather than physical aliens.I've been hearing more and more people are seeing Grays when taking DMT, which further complicates the whole mystery.
Lance wrote: "Christopher wrote: "If you are asking the question are aliens real or not, you are obviously not one of the initiated. Looking for proof when the body of evidence that supports it is so vast it cou..."Proof and evidence. Proof makes a believer out of others, the evidence makes you a believer. I remembered a few things, ways that I know and believe my side of the argument. I was going to offer them, but then it occurred to me that what I know, I know for a reason. What you don't know (or believe) there's a reason for that too.
Christopher wrote: "Lance wrote: "Christopher wrote: "If you are asking the question are aliens real or not, you are obviously not one of the initiated. Looking for proof when the body of evidence that supports it is ..."It all sounds a bit flaky to me, mate. But maybe I'm missing something...
It's a tough discussion. if you've seen a UFO or had any experiences that you can't explain through logic, there is no discussion, if you haven't, there is.
UFO = Unidentified Flying Object
So it would appear the jury's still out on the question Are aliens visiting Earth or not???? No proof either way to date.
Christopher wrote: "It's a tough discussion. if you've seen a UFO or had any experiences that you can't explain through logic, there is no discussion, if you haven't, there is."So how does seeing a UFO automatically mean that you know they are aliens (from another planet)? I'd be interested to know why that's the conclusion you've come to - what with the other talk going on here about man-made UFOs and inter-dimensional species etc.
And I've had pleeenty of experiences in my life that I can't explain by logic! And I probably believe aliens are here too. I just like to keep an open mind though....
This thread kinda proves that there IS a discussion to be had! :)
The term UFO presupposes there's an object behind the phenomenon.
Yep, a phenomenon that could be human or alien tech, or else paranormal (or hardcore skeptics would probably add delusional/hallucinatory).
Harry wrote: "Christopher wrote: "It's a tough discussion. if you've seen a UFO or had any experiences that you can't explain through logic, there is no discussion, if you haven't, there is."So how does seeing..."
Like JFK and 911, what is knowing the truth going to do for you? Help you to sleep better at night. I know that aliens are real, not a shred of doubt about it. If you knew too, all it would do for you is close a little gap in your mind between what you think is real and what is real. You choose to ignore the volume of evidence, millions of sightings, interviews, regressions, eyewitnesses. You choose to be on the fence about it.
I guess there will always be two schools of thought on the subject, the least we can do is agree to disagree.
What is knowing and proof to one person is mere believing and circumstantial evidence to another.So again, Christopher, if you really have definitive proof aliens exist, then by all means enlighten us all and end the debate.
The floor is all yours (and your ET buddies)...
My proof, what I've seen and whom I've met will be nothing more than first-hand accounts of what people only read about. If I told you that I met someone who saw what came out of Roswell, saw what was recovered, worked to try to identify it with the limited technology available at the time, would it change your mind, I think not. If I told you that I've met people who've seen things done that aren't possible with currently available technology, massive holes bored underground without a drill, would that change your mind? No, it would just add to the mystery, add to the pile of unproven statements you already have. I met these people, I believe what they told me. Plus all of the rest that isn't worth typing just for the sake of an argument. There is no one thing that tipped the scales for me. It kinda piled up a shovel full at a time until there was only one clear choice other than to believe. That doesn't count the stack of books I've read, interviews I've watched, etc. I know what I know and I'm good with it. There is always the fact that we aren't even a speck of dust in the cosmos. Anyone that believes that we are alone in such a vast space must either be a brainwashed Christian or very, very narrow-minded. (don't intend to offend anyone but the truth is what it is)
Watch the video, 209 seconds
http://www.anongroup.org/question-ent...
Christopher wrote: "My proof, what I've seen and whom I've met will be nothing more than first-hand accounts of what people only read about. If I told you that I met someone who saw what came out of Roswell, saw what ..."At the risk of repeating myself... It all sounds a bit flaky. But I will watch the video when I have a spare 209 seconds.
So I'm a flake, better that than an ostrich. :)
Christopher wrote: "So I'm a flake, better that than an ostrich. :)"Seriously Chris...you gotta get your head around what constitutes "proof". Otherwise we could be having this same discussion for years.
I know what I know and I'm good with it. Never looked for approval or acceptance from anyone else before to cement my beliefs and I'm not going to start now. Again, we can at least agree to disagree on the subject and remain civil.
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