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Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?
FASCINATING NEW DNA UPDATES ON THE POTENTIAL ALIEN BODY FOUND IN NAZCA, PERU http://www.collective-evolution.com/2...
Three-fingered mummies found in Peru are not human says scientist and may be aliens http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci...A SET of three-fingered “mummies” recently discovered in Peru are not human and could be aliens, a scientist has claimed.
David wrote: "nahhttps://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ali..."
Yeah I saw that but that debunking article (dated June 2017 if you notice) was an older article that appears to relate to a different, albeit very similar, story.
This latest report (just in the last few days), has been reported the world over in mainstream media rather than just alternative/conspiracy media, like the following in UK newspapers:
NAZCA TOMB: Latest tests on 'alien mummies' found in Peru say they are 'NOT human' https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...
SCIENTISTS continue to claim mysterious three-fingered, alien-like mummies are not like modern humans and could be extraterrestrials or an undiscovered ancient race. Despite earlier tests suggesting the bizarre corpses did have human DNA, scientists linked to the research team that announced the discovery last June, maintain they have found significant differences.
p.s. However, there are now reports by some saying the mummies have been looted in part, giving the impression of alien bodies. But I find that strange given several scientists have said the DNA found under tests was definitely not human. So is this all fake news, or could sites like Snopes be used to cover things up, or what?
extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof. As for Snopes, I trust it a lot. I don't see it as a cover up site. I will await more reports.
David wrote: "extraordinary claim needs extraordinary proof. As for Snopes, I trust it a lot. I don't see it as a cover up site. I will await more reports."
Yes, it needs proof - but lack of proof (for time being) doesn't necessarily mean "there is no proof" in every instance. That's the twist.
And not saying Snopes is a cover-up site, I think it provides a good service against pseudoscientific claims, but I also think governments or intel. agencies could potentially from time to time use Snopes and other debunking sites to cover certain things up...
The mystery continues.
How Would We Know If Intelligent Life Existed on Earth Before Humans? https://www.livescience.com/62338-int...
How do we know there's intelligent life here now? Some days it doesn't seem like it.
James wrote: "How Would We Know If Intelligent Life Existed on Earth Before Humans? https://www.livescience.com/62338-int..."I am sure there would be some trace of them left behind, after all we can find fossilised dinosaur footprints where they walked in something soft that didn't stay soft. If footprints and nesting sites can leave traces for 70+ million years, I would expect a civilization to leave something.
Metals & tools especially should show up.
Most purified metals are too reactive to survive millions of years exposed to the elements.Gold is relatively nonreactive, but its malleability makes it unlikely to maintain a recognizable form for that long. Plutonium and its like would survive longer, but they should be too rare to count on finding.On Earth, the best bet would be something ridiculously common and chemically nigh immortal. I'm thinking plastic.
If they were as advanced as us, then the best chance of finding anything would be buried in the lunar dust.
J. wrote: "Most purified metals are too reactive to survive millions of years exposed to the elements.Gold is relatively nonreactive, but its malleability makes it unlikely to maintain a recognizable form for..."The key to fossilising is to find anaerobic conditions, which usually occurs under piles of detritus, soil, etc. Even if an iron object turned into magnetite, its shape would prevail, not accurately, but unnaturally, Similarly, concrete, even if it degrades, will leave a pattern of residue that is not natural. On the other hand, plastic is not immortal and would probably degrade after a few centuries.
What if they were using "technologies" that we wouldn't recognize as ours, guys? What if they are/were shapeshifting, interdimensional mofos who just tap into the energies of nature quantum physics-style to build shit like pyramids or zip around the universe at speed of light without any machinery or hardware or devices? :)
Jim wrote: "How do we know there's intelligent life here now? Some days it doesn't seem like it."Hahaha!
James, in the odd event they built pyramids, I think we might notice them :-) As for shape-shifting interdimensionals, well, I am unhappy with violations of the conservation laws so I just don't believe in them, and I am pretty liberal on taking up new physics.
Ian,You appear to be correct about PET. I found this article on a study of PET deposted on the seafloor, online.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
I am curious about the signifigant amount of organic chemicals that this study indicates are being added to specific areas of the seafloor and landfills. Would the source material leave a chemical or isotopic signature, in resulting petroleum or coal, which would differ from that expected from other sources?
I was unable to find much of use regarding HDPE or polystyrene, other than their projected life expectancy at 100% humidity. (5000 years for polystyrene)
J., Some of the plastics would leave a source chemical signature. If we take a sample of crude oil there are steroids in there (admittedly low concentrations) that will tell you the sort of algae the oil came from, and there are other chemicals that will signify if it came from land-based plants. Many coals have residues of their lignin, and you can find petrified rocks from the ages of the dinosaurs where you can tell what the tree was. I have seen a report of a fossil of a filamentous alga (Bangia family) for 1.3 Gy BP. I do not see the possibility that an ancient civilisation could have evolved and left no trace. On the other hand, had some aliens landed here, stayed a couple of weeks and cleaned up after them there would be no trae whatsoever. If they stayed longer, it might depend on where and how tidy they were. Our rubbish dumps will be identifiable as rubbish dumps for millions of years, even if none of the rubbish is itself identifiable, but the assembly remains will be obviously non-natural.
Alien Mummy and Missile Range Mystery https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe discussed a strange, alien-looking female "mummy" covered in white powder with only three fingers and three toes and its current DNA results, as well as the mysterious 'Area 29' located within White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Linda described the examination of a mummy found in an apparent underground "mausoleum" in Peru some 33 miles north-west of the famous Nazca lines. The being has an elongated skull, very long fingers, and toes, and was found covered in a white powder that was determined to be diatomaceous earth (a substance formed from fossilized microorganisms) in order to preserve the body. An analysis of the biological material still found in the figure indicated that it was at least 1800 years old, and as Steve Mera (who Linda interviewed for the segment) said, "could represent some form of human that we are not aware of" or could also be some form of human mutation or hybrid. The body and others have since disappeared into what Mera called "a warehouse full of these things."
Mera was shown photos of the alleged cave or tomb, and other artifacts that were found inside. The images included something that looked like ancient Sumerian cuneiform writing and one object which was reported as a 15-foot-high gold box topped with a pyramidal structure that supported a crystal of some kind. Mera theorized that it could have been some sort of communication device. Both Linda and Mera believe there is an active effort by someone with a great deal of power and wealth to cover up the existence of these mummies and artifacts found near the Nazca area.
In the third hour, Linda presented her interview with researcher Ryan Wood, who revealed information about a secret facility within the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico referred to as "Area 29." Wood and his father Robert received documents and photos referring to this facility beginning in the mid-1990s, and recently hired a remote viewer he referred to as "Sky Arrow" to report on any impressions that could be deduced from the material. According to Wood, the viewer first said that the "target makes me nervous," but went on to describe a facility that housed space vehicles, UFOs, and "experimental energy research for deep space propulsion vehicles." From these impressions, Wood concluded that the facility is "tapping into something that modern, open science doesn’t know or understand."
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...
The White Sands Missile Range is huge. Lot's could be there. From Wiki "White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) is a United States Army military testing area of almost 3,200 sq mi (8,300 km2) in parts of five counties in southern New Mexico. The largest military installation in the United States, WSMR and the 600,000-acre (2,400 km2) McGregor Range Complex at Fort Bliss to the south (southeast Tularosa Basin and on Otero Mesa[8]) are contiguous areas for military testing.[9] On 9 July 1945, the White Sands Proving Ground was established for testing German and American long range rockets. Just seven days later, the first atomic bomb test, code named Trinity was exploded at Trinity Site, near the north boundary of the range.[10]" Think about that when trying to find anything on a very restricted military area.
David wrote: "The White Sands Missile Range is huge. Lot's could be there. From Wiki "White Sands Missile Range (WSMR) is a United States Army military testing area of almost 3,200 sq mi (8,300 km2) in parts of ..."Did you happen to see anything suspicious WHILE YOU WORKED AT WHITE SANDS, Dave? :)
Any little gray heads pop up?
But seriously, I didn't realize WSMR was that huge a facility.
I also don't understand why it says on Wiki they were testing German rockets at that site. I assume that would be captured German tech post WW2 and something to do with Operation Paperclip?
That is where the Germans first came to was WSMR. My only gig was to go to a building and do military sims. Even with clearance you did not go where you were not authorized to go. See these 2 sites
http://www.wsmr.army.mil/PAO/WSHist/V...
and (a little bit overblown for my taste)
https://elloborojo.wordpress.com/2017...
White Sands must've been like a little German colony at one point!
long before I was here. There was a major German Air Force presence at Holloman AFB in the 200'0's. BTW, that is where Ike allegedly met the aliens. It has a long and proud history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holloma...
Title: Aliens at the Pentagon (FILM): https://www.reality-entertainment.com...Aliens at the Pentagon
For years, the US government denied they investigated UFOs, so when the existence of a secret Pentagon program to study the phenomenon was revealed in late 2017, the bombshell revelation made headline news around the world. The Pentagon’s classified UFO project was so cleverly hidden, it didn’t even use the term ‘UFO’ in its title. Known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP for short), this multi-million dollar classified program researched and investigated UFOs, with even Congress
knowing nothing about this super-secret unit.
Nick Pope used to investigate UFOs and other unexplained phenomena for the British government, leading the media to call him the real Fox Mulder. Now Nick exposes the secretive workings of the Pentagon’s real-life X-Files unit, using his knowledge and past experience to tell the incredible story as only a true government insider can.
Learn the secret history of AATIP – how they studied videos of military jets chasing UFOs, looked at ‘mystery metals’, and even conducted tests on close encounter witnesses. Nick puts the AATIP story into context, revealing how a ‘believer faction’ within government is making its move, and explaining how and why they’ve taken their work out of government and into the private sector. This work takes us tantalizingly close to a definitive explanation of the UFO mystery, but that explanation might not be the one people are hoping for, because the T in AATIP stands for “threat” – and there’s a reason for that.
Starring Nick Pope, also known as “The Real Fox Mulder”
“Riveting insight into a global phenomenon.” – Starburst
“Well researched and highly compelling.” – Phenomenon Magazine
Startling research, the evidence is overwhelming.” – Zohar Media
“The shocking truth about the Alien Agenda is something that the people of Earth are not prepared for.” – OH Krill, author of Montauk Babies
“Humans are under the control of a strange force that is bending them in absurd ways, forcing their role in a bizarre game of deception.” – Dr. Jacques Valle
Reality Is What You Make It
www.reality-entertainment.com
If Aliens Are Causing Weird Dimming of 'Tabby' Star,' They Aren't Using Lasers to Do It https://www.livescience.com/64441-ali..."The evidence for aliens around one of the weirdest stars in our galaxy — Boyajian's star — is not looking promising. The star's unusual dimming events have garnered some bizarre theories: One of them speculates that an alien megastructure is responsible for the light anomalies."
Iain wrote: "Maybe they're building a wall . . . ...."Yeah to keep humans out probably.
We are the Mexicans of the Universe!
Who are the aliens? Paul Hellyer (Ex-Minister of defense of Canada) comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDGxq...
from our own solar system?????? Really?????Mars? Venus? Nemesis?
gotta pass on this one
Has anyone ever thought that maybe humanity is the only advanced species in the universe... That maybe we will be the ones who'll be the aliens to primitive life forms in outer space...
don't disagree with that. But I am not buying the "I am an ant" theory.
Entropic wrote: "Has anyone ever thought that maybe humanity is the only advanced species in the universe... That maybe we will be the ones who'll be the aliens to primitive life forms in outer space..."Nothing can be discounted, I say.
wait a minute what if we are the aliens maybe a more advance species created us as a test and watched us evolve
frosteye~ misunderstood firestar and spottedleaf forever~ wrote: "wait a minute what if we are the aliens maybe a more advance species created us as a test and watched us evolve"That cannot be discounted either...
Iain wrote: "So, following on that theme, you wonder if they(said advanced species) have a tacit naturalist outlook of not interfeering with the subject matter or delibrately do so to invoke an outcome of sorts?..."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdmqn...
I just started watching a documentary series on YouTube called Hellier. It features Greg and Dana Newkirk investigating a weird series of occurrences in Kentucky. Creatures resembling grays allegedly frightened a family off their land. There is a parallel in another part of Kentucky, the goblin scare from the 1950s.More info here: https://www.hellier.tv/
I am familiar with the case. It does have some compelling elements. Thanks for the heads up.
Jim wrote: "I just started watching a documentary series on YouTube called Hellier. It features Greg and Dana Newkirk investigating a weird series of occurrences in Kentucky. Creatures resembling grays alleged..."Thanks! Just got off work and have a day off tomorrow so I am def lookin for any and everything non-fiction that defies "reality."
1977 Alien Abduction & Mysterious Radio Bursts: https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2...On Thursday's show, investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe delved into mysterious repeating radio bursts in space, and a 1977 UFO abduction case linked to unexplained implants. In a special three-part report, Linda interviewed former USAF Airman Terry Lovelace about his extraordinary alien abduction which took place in the summer of 1977 while camping at Devil's Den State Park in the Ozark Mountains. At their campsite, Lovelace and his friend Tobias witnessed an enormous triangular craft but felt compelled to "sleep" shortly afterward. When they awakened, they saw the area was flooded with light and around 12-15 small beings in groups of twos and threes were wandering in the meadow. "They took us, Terry," Tobias announced, "and they hurt us."
Not sure if this video is real or fake.I know that the Russian lady speaking (Aliya Prokofyeva) is a real person. I think she's the daughter of Russian astrophysicists.
But I'm unclear about the video overall, hoping someone else can shed some light on it.
UN hidden camera: the first UFO contact happened, Pentagon Pyramid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0MUZ...
It ain't history but it sure is fun: UFO enthusiasts received some exciting news on Tuesday as the History Channel announced plans for an intriguing new docuseries devoted to the mysterious phenomenon. Titled 'Unidentified,' the program will be executive produced by Tom DeLonge and is set to feature a number of members from his 'To The Stars Academy team. Specifically, Luis Elizondo, who was the head of the US government's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), will have a prominent role in the six-part series which promises to include "newly authenticated evidence and footage." Learn more.
The "WOW" signal remains an enigma. No further signals detected. There is this explanation from 2017; https://earthsky.org/space/wow-signal...
David wrote: "It ain't history but it sure is fun: UFO enthusiasts received some exciting news on Tuesday as the History Channel announced plans for an intriguing new docuseries devoted to the mysterious phenome..."Tom DeLonge strikes me as a con man. His proof is always coming, and never shows up. Then when you look at his finances you find scheme after money making scheme. If you want a sense of his personality watch his interview with Joe Rogan.
https://youtu.be/5n_3mnJfHzY
J. wrote: "Tom DeLonge strikes me as a con man. His proof is always coming, and never shows up. Then when you look at his finances you find scheme after money making scheme. If you want a sense of his personality watch his interview with Joe Rogan...."Maybe it's more likely Tom Delonge is naive and is being used by others who may be running some kind of psy-op.
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