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Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?
Come on Pete, scepticism is a useful disposition where one wants to avoid being gullible. But you need to read around a bit more, watch a few videos sift things and make your own connections. "Little green men" is a fictional non-verified conflationary expression that belongs to an outside community of the wilfully uninformed.
John wrote: "Come on Pete, scepticism is a useful disposition where one wants to avoid being gullible. But you need to read around a bit more, watch a few videos sift things and make your own connections. "Litt..."Come on John, I am a sceptic based on the fact that I see no credible evidence that UFO's are alien crafts. How do you know that I 'need to read around a bit more'?Looking at your Goodreads page it looks like you are the one that needs to read more, and what is this you have written...About Me:-corrupting the very possibility of truth, in my innermost being, spurning all community-based concerns and discouraging all independent thought amidst the young. Books? Am I up to George Bush standards in literacy?
NASA’s $1.1 Million Grant to Study How Aliens Could Impact Religion http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendly...
James wrote: "NASA’s $1.1 Million Grant to Study How Aliens Could Impact Religion http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendly......"Maybe they could could convert and become intergalactic missionaries ! :)
Tony wrote: "Maybe they could could convert and become intergalactic missionaries ! :) ..."Don't give the Church any ideas for the future, Tony...If they realize how many billions of ETs are out there, they may see this as a way to expand Jesus Christ Inc...
Actually it could make a great Tarrentino movie plot...
Tony wrote: "Actually it could make a great Tarrentino movie plot..."Ever considered the Biblical story of Christ from a possible ET perspective, Tony?
Three wise men see a "light in the sky" which they follow...A woman is impregnated without sex with any human....Then a baby is born...Assumed to be human...But was Jesus a hybrid being? :)
James wrote: "Tony wrote: "Actually it could make a great Tarrentino movie plot..."Ever considered the Biblical story of Christ from a possible ET perspective, Tony?
Three wise men see a "light in the sky" whi..."
Yes I have James. This was a recurring theme in Western mythology. Jesus as man, as god, as 'man/god' as 'man/god/alien.
Its only one incarnation further in the Christ myth. The 20th century gave the myth of Superman who is an incarnation of all three.
A quote :
Myths are ostensibly ‘true’, that is, they present themselves as giving an accurate narrative of ‘what really happened’. A culture rarely recognises its own mythology as mythology. Judged from within a culture, myths are true accounts of the way things really are.
Professor Elizabeth Vandiver, Classical Mythology
James wrote: Ever considered the Biblical story of Christ from a possible ET perspective, Tony?Three wise men see a "light in the sky" whi..."A hybrid being....yes certainly in a way. Jesus was a Jew, head of a movement that stood against the official Jewish state/church, as was his brother James. The 3 wise men were invented by the gospel writer Mathew. The virgin birth was also taken from Greek mythology. Emperor Augustus was also taken up to heaven on his death to become a star. No aliens here...move along please!
Pete, In link below you'll see hundreds if not thousands of posts along the lines of exactly what you point out:
Forbidden history of the Bible https://www.goodreads.com/topic/group...
Many topics you'll see in there point out exactly what you state above the origins of the Christ story...almost verbatim in many instances, in fact...
However, like many of the topics in this group, things are rarely so simple or black and white to be able to speak with such certainty as to say "move along please!"
I mean, I think at best one can say "in my assessment...move along please" on any single topic involving unprovable concepts about ancient history, but even then if we are being honest we must also still acknowledge that's just an opinion.
Like you, I really wish things were so simple, that we could easily dismiss so many things just off the cuff without considering all angles. It'd certainly create less confusion in the mind. But unfortunately, when we just dismiss every other theory without deeper consideration and without waiting for more evidence, we close ourselves off to all avenues. We are then researching only in a vacuum of our own niches and beliefs.
So in this instance, we must remember that the Christ story appears to have been told many ways throughout the centuries before the birth of Jesus and long before Christianity/Judaism. Many independent/nonreligious researchers state it's a rehashing of older Pagan/Egyptian saviour Godmen - and possibly the Egyptians were rehashing older myths before their civilization....
So considering the ancient alien theories (e.g. Sumerians) COULD be true, and keep in mind more and more researchers (and scientists) are seriously considering the ancient alien theory...
Then who is to say that a hybrid being wasn't involved in the genesis of the Christ story (if it was based on an initial truth)? And that originally the three wise men was not an invention, but based on something true? Who is to say the gospel writers, and the Greeks, were not rehashing older Pagan "myths" which originally had truths to them and actually involved aliens in the sky?
None of us can say with certainty, mate. Instead, if we are honest, we gotta just allow for much to remain mysterious and unresolved.
To be clear, I'm not saying any of the above is necessarily or even likely to true about the Christ story, nor am I religious...I was merely speculating in passing and it's not a topic I've studied in any great depth other than reading an analysis I once read on the bible from a UFO researcher...
But anyway, thanks for adding your opinion into the mix :)
As for the Sumerians and Sitchin, I do believe that has been disproved conclusively. However, not all agree: http://ancientexplorers.com/blog/sume...
However, I tend to fall in this camp.
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
Sitchin merely one commentator on ancient aliens, however, and a more recent one. So whilst Sitchin may have been debunked (no idea if that's true and not very familiar with Sitchin's theories), the ancient alien theory in general is still to be disproven...or proven.
not disagreeing with AA, but I think Sitchin did a bad job of translation of the Cuneiforms.
David wrote: "not disagreeing with AA, but I think Sitchin did a bad job of translation of the Cuneiforms."Yeah, I've heard Sitchin's research is shoddy.
Pete wrote: "John wrote: "Come on Pete, scepticism is a useful disposition where one wants to avoid being gullible. But you need to read around a bit more, watch a few videos sift things and make your own conne..."You are quite right about my profile - too many people miss the irony. A great contributor to the UFO debate is Bob Dean an ex-military man who discovered for himself the enormity of what is happening. Watch this video for a first hand account https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI9fS...
Scientist Argues for 'Ancient Aliens' http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article...An astronomy professor at Penn State has put forward a remarkable hypothesis that should sound familiar to UFO enthusiasts and ancient alien advocates.
In a recently-published paper, professor James Wright theorizes that Earth as well as Mars and Venus may have once been inhabited by technologically advanced ETs!
Titled 'Prior Indigenous Technological Species,' the paper proposes that evidence for such civilizations would have been lost to the ravages of time here on Earth and harsh conditions on Mars and Venus.
That said, Wright noted that there could be what he calls 'technosigatures' contained in the geologic record of these planets which would indicate previous unnatural events such as nuclear activity or mining operations.
Beyond that he also proposes that underground installations created by these ETs may still be in existence and, thus, could be discovered in the future.
Additionally, Wright says that the asteroid belt or other areas of space where considerable debris has accumulated could be locations where disused ET craft or probes might be located in the future.
The remarkable paper is not Wright's first foray into the fantastic as he is largely responsible for advancing the 'alien megastructure' theory surrounding the mysterious 'KIC 8462852' star.
As such, cynical observers may say that the professor saw how well that theory captivated the media and has doubled down on the ET idea with his new work.
However, setting aside that critique, it is a testament to how much more open-minded mainstream science has become to various scenarios involving intelligent ETs inhabiting space, which apparently now includes a somewhat less sensational form of the much-maligned 'ancient alien' theory.
Perhaps, in due time, the rogue researchers who advanced such ideas in the past and were marginalized by mainstream science will see their work given a much-deserved second look.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article...
DoJ Responds to FOIA Appeal, Directs FBI to Search Further for Lash Files http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/2017/...Excerpt:
"Readers will recall my post on the Lash case summarized the 2015 story of a man found dead in a vehicle in the Los Angeles upscale community of Pacific Palisades. The bizarre saga involved a stash of millions of dollars in weapons and ammo, about a quarter of a million dollars in cash, and testimonies that the deceased had claimed to be an ET-human hybrid working with U.S. intelligence agencies, among other odd plot twists. The post went on to become my most viewed by far, and continues to consistently be among the most viewed per week in spite of having been posted two years ago."
The Newtonian Quest : How It All BeganHi I have also been fascinated by this mysterious idea and used this mysticism of Alien and God correlation in my book too.
Buy, read and find out a totally different perspective and take on it.
PS: Can jump to the last chapter for the specific info. Link is mentioned here.
https://notionpress.com/read/the-newt...
Billionaire helping develop NASA spacecraft says aliens are HERE - but it's covered up. http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/8...
Aliens schmaliens!Of course it's covered up, because it has to be.
Nothin' to see, so move along.
Video: Why I believe in UFOs, and you should too... | Ben Mezrich | TED Talk https://www.goodreads.com/videos/1214...Published on Dec 19, 2016
Ben discuses the UFO highway located at the 37th Parallel, and the strange phenomenon of cattle mutilations.
Ben Mezrich is the author of 18 books including Bringing Down the House: The Inside Story of Six M.I.T. Students Who Took Vegas for Millions that was made into the movie 21, and The Accidental Billionaires: The Founding of Facebook, a Tale of Sex, Money, Genius and Betrayal that was made into the movie The Social Network.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community.
Wondering if Erich von Däniken is worth reconsidering on this issue?Here's a 1minute video on
https://www.goodreads.com/videos/6678...
As you probably know he was heavily criticized in the 60s or 70s and I believe at least some of that criticism was valid as he may have been exposed (don't really know much about the fraud claims against him, just heard about it in passing).
But despite any weak research or wrongdoings on von Däniken's behalf, I was wondering if any of you think he may have still have been on to something?
They painted him as a liar and trickster at the time, but could it have been he was onto roughly the same things as Graham Hancock but he didn't know how to express it as clearly? Or he didn't have the language or scientific terminology to describe clearly what he meant given he was the first researcher (or one of the first) to state Ancient Alien ideas?
Wishing and hoping and repeating hearsay does not make it true. The truth is out there but you have to think before you buy every story: A case in point. http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheUfo...
A lot of it is dubious. Why would a vastly superior species capable of inter-galactic flight look anything like 'little green men 'or other hideous depictions? Many sightings are obviously mistake or misjudgements. But there are genuine questions yet to be asked. I think the jury is still out.
I like want Stan Friedman said (met him at a book signing)-95 % is mistakes or hoaxes, but 5% remains unexplained".
Was that a low blow, Tim? Or were you roleplaying as an ET visitor?Either way, I'm not amused with YOU, human! :)
James wrote: "1945-1947...bingo!Operation Paperclip was also formed then...
And the CIA...
and, and, and!
Almost seems as if all roads lead back to the Nazis and whatever they knew or uncovered in all their "e..."
you know the nazi were working on a prototype weapon vehicle called a bell looks similar to a ufo he floats and shoots out electricity
I am aware of The Bell, yes.
i dont think its a coincidence
i have had my share of weird things happen to me
Tim wrote: "I've been forced to conclude that the inhabitants of planet Earth who call themselves civilised are at best, to keep it polite, simpletons... :D ..."That's it! We are now waging a "preemptive strike" on your galaxy which we have labelled the Axis of Evil!
Tim wrote: "LOL... :) ...But I can't believe that there are some on this planet..."Haha. Nice!
David wrote: "Why would a vastly superior species capable of inter-galactic flight look anything like 'little green men 'or other hideous depictions?."I can't say I've come across anyone who's supposedly come across aliens who have described them as being little green men. And the more popular modern depictions like the Greys have only arisen from abductees' descriptions.
James wrote: "Wondering if Erich von Däniken is worth reconsidering on this issue?.."Of course Von Daniken was going to be ridiculed at the time (and still), but the part about him being called a fraud etc. only relates to his later books, and I think I'm right in saying that he said he'd made some stuff up/exaggerated ideas he didn't believe etc. - but that has nothing to do with his first book/s, which were groundbreaking in finding references to aliens in ancient images/structures etc. - like the lid of Palenque which could well depict an 'alien astronaut flying a machine'; in that it's certainly arguable, whether right or not.
https://implicado.files.wordpress.com...
- as well as all of the other stuff in Chariots of The Gods, like the Nazca Lines etc.
If Von Daniken hadn't have put out such outlandish ideas, the more scholarly work of authors like Graham Hancock which have paved the way for a re-understanding of ancient cultures, their origin and their advanced skills, would have never happened. And public opinion on such ancient mysteries has changed rapidly in the short space of a few decades - simply 'cos there is evidence - good evidence - to show that our official version of events ain't necessarily right. I mean, for one thing off the top of my head, we didn't even know the Giza pyramids mirrored the stars of Orion's Belt until the early 90s; and such things have forced us to reevaluate the cultures of the past - including such things as ancient depictions of U.F.O.s/spacemen etc., and the idea that deities of old could conceivably have been aliens.
Older middle-class white men seem fixated by aliens; perhaps they have wearied already of this world and it's predictable cycles ... yearning for a reality outside the reality so firmly set in place by other older middle-class white men, materialists to a fault. Perhaps they yearn for the lost mysteries of their culture.
Who are these older middle-class white men you're talking about David, and why do you think they're more fixated on aliens than other people?(i.e - wasn't sure if you were calling the likes of me that or if you were making a general observation.)
Y'know what's really crazy? Believing that within the vast, infinite universe that stretches on forever, where there are limitless planets, Earth is the only planet that sprang life!Gee, ain't we so special!
You're wrong Harry: We are the most special! Humanity is #1!Better than those Orions (filthy bastards), and the Pleidians (lazy bastards) and all the other ETs who are trying to immigrate here to sponge off our universe-renowned social welfare.
Oops I think I just proved your point...And prove racism is universal, not just Earthbound.
Anyway I hope I've made it clear which way I'll be voting in EarthExit (to leave the Galactic Union).
Reality sucks. My job is boring. Read me another story about aliens please. Any story ...
I don't understand the motivations of the Ancient Aliens themselves. If you are after resources, why waste time and energy mining a planet, when you could get more return on investment by grinding up asteroids? Or if you are after a comfortable world to inhabit, why let the local rodents get in your way?As for the Ancient Aliens theories, here is a link to a fairly well done response. The creator cites his sources, and provides links to the citations, in the video description. I do have issues with some of his arguments, but he has done a better job than most of the ancient visitation proponents.
https://youtu.be/j9w-i5oZqaQ
trying to get back on track. Did anybody watch the Majestic 12 Ancient Alien show with Linda Howe? Interesting if not completely credible. overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majesti...
Howe's website:
https://www.earthfiles.com/
Friedman's and Streiber's book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
or perhaps disinformation?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejand...
and
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/new_bog...
David wrote: "trying to get back on track...."Good man!
thank you. I highly recommend the 1/2 hour video about the Majestic 12 documents origination.
From "The UFO Trail" Crashed Saucer Misinformation
Rest of article here: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2017/07/...
Spitsbergen
Time recently spent in Roswell gave me the opportunity to talk UFOs with some people quite knowledgeable on the topic. Among them was Nick Redfern. Aware of my interest in the overlapping of the UFO and intelligence communities, Nick shared his thoughts on several such cases. This included an alleged saucer crash supposedly occurring in 1952 on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen
Here's an article on it by Mr Redfern:The Spitsbergen UFO: A “Plant”? | Mysterious Universe http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2012/07...
The fact, I think, that six or so NASA astronauts have come out in favor of the phenomenon should not go unnoticed. Once one has established this belief, it becomes incumbent to learn why the ETs stay in infrequent contact. It's a difficult to question to answer to skeptics, but there may be any number of reasons we can only speculate about. Politics perhaps, or maybe they don't like humanity? Or perhaps are they worried about freaking people out with constant sightings and contact? It seems from reports that there are both good and bad forces involved--the bad being Reptilian and good being Pleiadian. But I suppose only time will tell what's actually going on.
UFO activity at nuclear sites, disabling of minuteman missiles etc, is intriguing and warrants more research and attention. Quite a few plausible witnesses have come forward.
M.P. wrote: "The fact, I think, that six or so NASA astronauts have come out in favor of the phenomenon should not go unnoticed...."Yep
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Yeah, the Phoenix Lights was an interesting case as there was a shitl..."
there have been more sightings. 2003 and 2016