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Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?
Martin wrote: "James, in my day job I work for a US Navy medical research command as an analyst in combat casualty care capabilities. I was a journalist for 20+ years before switching careers just before the start of OIF. I've been a medic of one sort or another in the US Coast Guard and Navy reserves, law enforcement reserves, and disaster response teams. Ten years ago I was offered a commission as a medical service corps officer in a component of the California National Guard and trained Army combat medics. A couple years ago, I was retrained as a state military policeman and now I'm the executive officer of a MP battalion. (What a strange road I've taken in my life, eh?)..."Yeah, that sure is some career path with lots of adventure.
Perfect background for an author in a way...
Military police, you say? Oh good, next time I'm stateside and get into trouble with the law (last time I was there they fined me for jaywalking!) I'll know who to call in for a favor.
Lastly, I feel the same about Shakespeare's quote. Very apt for the subject of ETs and whether or not the little fellas exist or not...
Beth wrote: "Scientists are one step closer to bringing a woolly mammoth back to life...."
That's actually a pretty amazing development, Beth.
FYI people...just heard on the news that Stephen Hawking & another scientist is funding a $1 million project to find proof of aliens! How cool is that?
Beth wrote: "FYI people...just heard on the news that Stephen Hawking & another scientist is funding a $1 million project to find proof of aliens! How cool is that?"Yeah, I saw that news yesterday. Very interesting.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/20...
But I can't help but think money could be better spent...
And anyway, the aliens are already here. I thought everyone knew that. :)
Harry wrote: "And anyway, the aliens are already here. I thought everyone knew that. :) ..."
Here as in on planet earth?
Or here as in within this group?
Do you have something to confess about where you got your DNA, Harry??
Beth wrote: "FYI people...just heard on the news that Stephen Hawking & another scientist is funding a $1 million project to find proof of aliens! How cool is that?"I read about that as well. It struck me as odd, because just a short while ago I read an article in which Hawking was saying we shouldn't go looking for intelligent extraterrestrial life because if they were more advanced than us, they would likely want to conquer us.
Martin that is correct that he said earlier he didn't want to send out signals. This from Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sp...
It is strange that Hawking has done a 180 turn on the subject.
Maybe it's a cover op via Hawking as he seems like one of the least open-minded scientists on the subject of ETs.
Maybe he's had an epiphany? LOL
Has anyone here discussed The Battle of Los Angeles in 1942? I'm curious about what others think our military was shooting at?
Beth wrote: "Has anyone here discussed The Battle of Los Angeles in 1942? I'm curious about what others think our military was shooting at?"Beth,
The Battle of Los Angeles actually took place south of L.A., over the South Bay beach communities where I grew up. I assume you've the famous newspaper photo of the unknown aircraft caught in search lights with AA explosions around it?
The story is there may have been two objects; one went out over the sea along the South Bay beach communities, the other may have gone inland. Some reports say it crashed. While official reports say it was probably a -- you guessed it -- weather balloon (apparently one impervious to cannon fire.) There is supposed to a declassified government report on the battle stating that the aircraft were not “not of this world.”
The ocean off the coast of the South Bay area is said to be a hotbed of USO (unidentified submerged object), with numerous reports of air vehicles seen entering the ocean and leaving it. The offshore Redondo Trench is some 20,000 feet deep and has been the focus of numerous allegations of secret underwater alien bases. Although I grew up in Redondo Beach, I never heard any of this until just a few years ago. And that got me thinking.
The only UFO sighting I ever had took place in high school while attending a beach party in Redondo. A friend and I were sitting on a sea bluff talking when we spot a single bright light over the ocean. The light was making strange movements, up, down, vertical zig-zags, etc. Now both of us were taking a two-year college prep course in aeronautics, so we were familiar with flight characteristics. There were no navigation lights, no engine sounds, nothing. We were bewildered, to say the least.
Now flash forward a few years. I come back from serving active duty in the Coast Guard and reported for reserved duty at the Coast Guard small boat station in LA-Long Beach Harbor, just south of the South Bay beach communities. In the several years I pulled reserve duty there, we were called out several times at night to investigate reports of aircraft crashing into the sea off the beach communities. These reports came from reputable witnesses, including police officers on patrol and lifeguards, who said they saw the lights of aircraft enter the water. Each time we went out, however, we never found any debris, nothing to indicate an air crash.
So when I heard about this reported USO activity in that area, I started thinking: Were my sighting in high school and the reports of air crashes actually USO sightings?
Then I remembered one other thing. During WWII, the military reported sinking a Japanese sub off the coast of Redondo Beach. I did a lot of research into this year ago when I was thinking of doing an article on it. I grew up with the legend of the Japanese sub sitting on the ocean bottom right offshore of my hometown. I looked up old wartime newspapers articles about the sinking. The trouble is, post-war Japanese naval records showed no loss of a submarine along the West Coast of the US. Is it possible whatever was attacked was a USO, not a sub?
I don’t know. But it makes you wonder.
As I always say, strange things happen at sea.
I've heard some stories about the Japanese sub too, but supposedly the military sent air fire at a target(in the air) for about an hr., tho it didn't move. Also, I've seen reports of unidentifiable metal pieces being found afterwards.
I guess, Martin, technology of USOs (or UFOs) wouldn't necessarily discount the possibility of these sighted "objects" having been Japanese...Especially for those who believe the Germans were collaborating and sharing technology with the Japanese - I know one Japanese military defense contractor who claims this was true. And as you know, some independent investigators say the Nazis had flying saucers ala Foo Fighters.Perhaps it's not necessarily likely to have been Japanese, or military craft of other countries' militaries, but it probably cannot be discounted that such craft (if indeed they were really antigravity crafts) were human inventions rather than alien technologies.
Martin wrote: "Beth wrote: "Has anyone here discussed The Battle of Los Angeles in 1942? I'm curious about what others think our military was shooting at?"Beth,
The Battle of Los Angeles actually took place s..."
No doubt ! sea is a very mysterious place.
James Morcan wrote: "I guess, Martin, technology of USOs (or UFOs) wouldn't necessarily discount the possibility of these sighted "objects" having been Japanese...Especially for those who believe the Germans were colla..."To be honest, James, I am not someone who subscribes to the idea that Germany was so technologically advanced during WWII. I think if they were, they would have won. I based this on the following:
1. The German industrial base that built the Nazi war machine was actually built by Americans and other Allied nations during the pre-war 1930s. Hitler twice awarded Henry Ford two medals for his role in helping to establish German industries. (This is discussed in my alternative history short story Hitler Is Coming.)
2. Despite the above, throughout the war, the Germans were still using horse-drawn carriages to transport artillery and supplies.
3. Radar was one of the most important technological advancements of the war, but the Nazis failed to realize its importance at the beginning of the war. Had the Germans realized the importance of radar during the Battle of Britain, they might have won that campaign and the war.
4. German war technology was artful in an engineering sense, but not very successful in the field. For instance, they produced two great tanks, the Panther and the Tiger. Beautiful and powerful machines, but they just did not perform well in the field. They were tougher and better armed than Allied tanks like the M4 Sherman, but they were very difficult to maintain in the field and broke down frequently. Often when a panzer broke down, it had to be sent back to Germany for repairs. The Sherman, however, was cheap to build and easy to maintain in the field. For every Sherman knocked out by a panzer, there were ten more waiting in supply yards to take its place. For every panzer knocked out in battle – well, there weren’t many replacements.
5. The Germans were well advanced in rocketry, but I do not believe it was because they had some secret knowledge. An American, Dr. Robert Goddard, invented the liquid-fueled and multi-stage rocket, as well as gyroscopic stabilization for them. However, Goddard was ridiculed in the U.S. for his ideas about ballistic missiles and manned space flight. Werner von Braun simply took Goddard’s ideas, improved on them, and upscaled them into the V2. As an unguided missile, the V1 was not much more than modernized version of rockets used in warfare since at least the 1800s. Had the U.S. funded Goddard’s research in the 1920-30s, instead of laughing at him, the Americans would have had ballistic missiles long before the Nazis. That was probably the impetus for Operation Paperclip; the U.S. realized they made a big mistake by not supporting Goddard (who died in 1945), and they wanted to make up for lost time.
6. Germany deployed the first combat jet aircraft, but they did not invent the jet plane. The Italians were the first to build and fly a jet aircraft in the 1930s. During the war, both the Americans and the British developed jet fighters. The British jet, the Meteor, was deployed just before the end of the war; one shot down a V1. The U.S. had no fewer than nine jet aircraft under development during the war. The Airacomet and the Shooting Star were the only two to go into production. A squadron of Shooting Stars was sent to the Med on a demonstration tour during the war, but was never deployed in combat.
7. The Germans made advances in the development of the flying wing concept, but it wasn’t a new idea. Aeronautics engineers had known for years that an aircraft’s emplanage (tail section) produced a large amount of drag and that getting rid of it would improve performance, and had been trying to build such a craft since before WWI. The Horten brothers were the first to produce a powered flying wing (glider versions had been developed and flown previously by several people) but they weren’t the only ones working on such a project. Flying wing aircraft were being studied and designed in the US, USSR, and Britain throughout the war.
8. While German scientists definitely had their eyes on the stars, the drawings and renderings of space stations and flying saucers found after the war does not mean they were in the process of producing those technologies. The first space station was proposed in the 1860s, and there had been number renderings of various ideas for orbital stations ever since. And the idea for flying saucers wasn’t new either. Disc-shaped flying objects have been reported for hundreds of years. It’s interesting to note that the man who made the first modern UFO sighting, private pilot Kenneth Arnold in 1947, never said he saw saucer-shape aircraft, but flying wing-shaped aircraft. The news media came up with the term flying saucer afterward.
9. The Japanese and Germans did, indeed, work together. The Germans sent the Japanese the plans for the Me-262, and Tokyo produced a similar jet aircraft (though it never saw combat). The also Japanese developed a manned rocket-propelled missile for Kamikaze attacks. They Nazi build a handful of V1s with cockpits for the same purpose, but Luftwaffe pilots were not so keen about the idea.
So as bizarre as it sounds, I consider it more likely there was some extraterrestrial technology flying around in the sky than the idea the Nazis had developed super-secret technology that could have won the war but didn’t.
The Ancient Alien Argument with Undergrounder Martin Roy Hill -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9407...A free-flowing talk with Martin Roy Hill about the ancient alien (or astronaut) theory. While Hill's novella, Eden is loosely drawn from the work of Zecharia Sitchin, he does not especially endorse the work of ancient alien theorists. As he wrote to me in a correspondence, “I'm ...not necessarily a believer in the ancient astronaut theory, though I'm open minded about it. The AA theorists bring up a lot of good questions, though I also think they stretch the point sometimes.” A fun talk that challenges the imagination while we try our best to stay within the confines of reasonable speculation and factual evidence.
Why is it that Yahoo! and others now post UFO vids on a seemingly weekly basis? Most are bollocks of course, which is why it's easy to overlook the odd one that may have some credence. This one from a picture tweeted by an astronaut has certainly got people talking:
http://nypost.com/2015/11/19/astronau...
Harry, perhaps the impression of increase in frequency of ufo sitings means that they are getting ready for the "big show" we are about to put on ;) ...wonder what they do for popcorn. ..
Lisa wrote: "Harry, perhaps the impression of increase in frequency of ufo sitings means that they are getting ready for the "big show" we are about to put on ;) ...wonder what they do for popcorn. .."True Lisa, but I'd say it's more a frequency of being reported by big media news rather than an increase in sightings themselves. Yes, perhaps they're getting us ready.
Could that astronaut have been trying to show the world that there are UFOs under our noses (whether alien or manmade)? Many think so. And in the age of social media, I guess big media news is forced to report such stories that do the rounds on social media.
And we are the popcorn...
we are the entertainment
well..if we are the entertainment, I wonder if I can have a role in the climax of the show! if we are the popcorn, I wanna be the kernel they spit out!considering time and space, if that truly was an alien siting in the video, then how long ago since they traveled or how long until they report back? I'm not even sure my question makes sense some I'm having a difficult time formulating it.
Lisa, check out the Black Knight satellite - just to blow your mind even further! :)https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
Here's my revised statement:WE
Are
THEIR
Property
:)
the Wikipedia page?
James, are you saying we are cultivated by aliens, hence our dna is of alien origin?
Not necessarily Lisa - that's more the ancient alien theory.I just sense there are some type of "other beings" who are watching...a bit like how we watch ants ;)
hmmmm...so south the concept of what I mentioned earlier about time and space. ..what era are they observing?
For all I know "they" or "the watchers" are descendants of modern humans who have travelled back in time to observe their ancestors and alter certain things ,..
is that your final theoretical hypothesis or do you have others? it's actually a sound one considering the fact that we are working on ways to move away from this planet. ..although I am still finding myself caught in a twilight zone uncertain of its reality. ..leaning more towards skepticism.
I almost never have final opinions Lisa. Especially about things I cannot see with my own eyesJust throwing around ideas here
However this idea somehow makes a little sense at least
P.s. We are way past the twilight zone!
Jim wrote: "While I'm open to being wrong, I don't think aliens are or have visited earth. While there are a lot of mysteries, I think they can be explained without invoking aliens.I also haven't found anyon..."
I am another who does not believe in aliens, leprechauns, fairies, trolls, elves, ghosts, angels, demons, or gods!
I believe the whole alien/UFO phenomenon is a hoax/smokescreen by the governments of the world to cover up their advances in technology, and that they only ridicule reports of sightings, to make the SHEEPLE believe even more strongly!
However, that being said...I would not put it past the governments to one day use holograms or whatever to make it appear that we are being visited by either aliens or the second coming of Jesus!
not me. ..these threads suck me back in...make me paranoid lol...I'm glad to hear you don't have final opinions. ..I always consisted alien life going through the same evolutionary process as humans just with different molecular structures. ..perhaps silicone based...idk...it is such an abstract thought process. I get frustrated and mildly pissed that I can't figure out the answer. Call it stubbornness if you like.
I checked out your link, Harry and made a comment in that feed.
Doesn't it remain a figment of our imagination until something really concrete comes up?
Lance Morcan wrote: "The Ancient Alien Argument with Undergrounder Martin Roy Hill -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9407...A free-flowin..."
Hey, thanks for the post, Lance!
Martin wrote: "Lance Morcan wrote: "The Ancient Alien Argument with Undergrounder Martin Roy Hill -- https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9407......"My pleasure...
The problem I have with saying UFOs and the like are a government conspiracy, is that it would have to be the longest running conspiracy ever. These things have been with us at least as far back as we have history for. Maybe it's a conspiracy started by Atlantean priests and passed down.Graham Hancock makes the case that the watchers were human, a remnant of a more advanced civilization that was wiped out by either a cometary impact 12,800 years ago, or the flooding at the end of the Younger Dryas 11,600 years ago.
Jim wrote: "Graham Hancock makes the case that the watchers were human, a remnant of a more advanced civilization that was wiped out by either a cometary impact 12,800 years ago, or the flooding at the end of the Younger Dryas 11,600 years ago. ..."Fascinating. Am completely open to this idea and all the others - nothing can be discounted. I also agree with what you imply about governments on this issue...They seem as confused as the public.
Have to read more of Hancock.
My personal belief about 'aliens' (whatever they are/wherever/whenever they come from), as opposed to any fact and theory, is aliens have always been here.Just thought I'd mention it. :)
Harry wrote: "My personal belief about 'aliens' (whatever they are/wherever/whenever they come from), as opposed to any fact and theory, is aliens have always been here.Just thought I'd mention it. :)"
That's another commonly held theory that cannot be discounted.
Maybe with aliens the ultimate truth could be "all of the above"? Meaning they come from here, there and everywhere, including psychic phenomena?
James Morcan wrote: "Harry wrote: "My personal belief about 'aliens' (whatever they are/wherever/whenever they come from), as opposed to any fact and theory, is aliens have always been here.Just thought I'd mention it..."
They could exist in Dark Energy perhaps...
Or maybe they are the size of ants and have vast cities in the back garden of a semi-detached...
I vote for the ALL OF THE ABOVE option.
And maybe discovering the truth about aliens will open up humanity to our ultimate nature? i.e. interdimensional and more than physical in nature and also a bit shapeshiftery, perhaps.Uh-oh, David Icke's humans-to-reptile theory is suddenly starting to sound more feasible...
"...a bit shapeshiftery"?Love it.
I tend to not think aliens are here and never have been. That's not to say I categorically rule it out. I just think they are my least likely explanation.
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Exactly !