Are aliens visiting Earth or not? And did "Ancient Aliens" visit in the past?

[James, Group Founder]

But again Bruce, if you have proof to end the debate about whether aliens are visiting earth or not, then be my guest and share it :)

[Bruce]

My Dad and I saw a flying saucer. It appeared to be travelling at about 5000 mph across the sky, then abruptly reversed direction without apparently slowing down. We are both technical people - him a DIA spy and a computer, radar, and missile technician and me with a degree in physics. There are many thousands of reputable people who have reported such things or better. The Disclosure Project has military officers saying that our nuclear weapon facilities have had several encounters with glowing red orbs that shut down the missiles. Russian officers have reported the same. This is on YouTube. They have verifiable credentials. Our intelligence services have started to declassify some of these reports and obviously take them seriously. The question is what kind of proof is acceptable? If many thousands of reputable people say they saw a bear and provided pictures, wouldn't you believe that bears are real? If anyone reads these accounts and still won't accept that we have been visited, is it even possible to "prove" it to them? Many people have even collected physical evidence. Unfortunately, you won't find them in a museum, and it will take some time before the intelligence services allow people to look at them first-hand.

[Jim]

I believe your experience but it doesn't follow that you saw an alien space craft. Even if it landed and an alien stepped out and showed you his Antares Public Library card, I would still remain skeptical.

Even if we assume there are one or more races so advanced that interstellar travel presents no difficulty, given the sheer number of UFO sightings, we'd have firm proof by now. Not just in some secret military lab but in the public domain. There have been times and places where UFOs were so thick, you couldn't throw a brick without hitting one. The fact that they remain elusive leads me to conclude they are not nuts and bolts objects at all.

[Bruce]

Jim wrote: "... it doesn't follow that you saw an alien space craft..."

I admit that. I might have been seeing one of our own craft, so it isn't really proof of aliens. I used to work in the Pentagon and various three letter agencies in D.C., and someone once told me that someone else told them that they had seen a saucer in a hangar. Even if a being with big eyes landed in front of me and said he was from a far away planet, how am I to know that he was telling the truth? Apparently, that has happened to many people. You must have heard of the Drake equation, which was mostly guesswork, but, because it was done by a scientist, it seems "official". It is highly improbable that we on this planet are all the life that is, or even the most advanced life. The most evidence and most theory says that alien life is highly probable, and the most history says that they have been visiting for thousands of years. Personally, I believe Elvis and Napolean were real persons based on historical documents. Alien spaceships also have plenty of historical documents behind them.

Jim wrote: "The fact that they remain elusive leads me to conclude they are not nuts and bolts objects at all. "

I agree that they are not nuts and bolts objects. According to "Amicizia" and "Mass Contacts" and some articles I have read, they don't use nuts and bolts to hold themselves together, but rather some type of energy. :-) There is lots of physics theory indicating the existence of several spatial dimensions, in addition to psychic notions of levels and densities, and various aliens are capable of navigating between some of these. I know from my own experience that there is a lot more to existence than physical "reality", and that what people think is real is not so real after all. I think that you are suggesting that they might be some sort of mental construct or hologram. Well, in my opinion, you may be correct, but that does not mean that they are not real. They don't all have to be one type of thing, and maybe even "reality" is some type of mental construct or hologram.

Jim wrote: "Not just in some secret military lab but in the public domain. "

Most of these aliens say that they are not allowed to or choose not to be so open about themselves, as that would interfere with our development or they have some agenda that would be best served by not being so open. Some of them supposedly have a pact not to interfere with our free will, but they are free to deceive us as much as possible.

You can remain skeptical of all of this, but what's the point? Really. I think that this whole discussion ultimately resolves down to one thing: I believe that a certain amount of skepticism is healthy, but why, in spite of all of the evidence we see so far, do you remain skeptical? You need something that fits what you think is real, but things aren't always going to conform to your interpretations of reality just to "prove" themselves. That is an indication that the problem cannot be solved at this level, and that the only way to solve it is to go beyond it. You will have to do that by yourself. At some level, there are no aliens at all.

[James, Group Founder]

Bruce the crafts are real: millions worldwide have sighted them.
But whether they are alien or Manmade (or both) is the question

[Jim]

Bruce, I think aliens are a red herring. There's something genuinely weird going on and has throughout history. My sense is that the source of said weirdness is not from another solar system.

There are several possibilities I consider, including other life forms that are somehow out of phase with our reality, beings from something like an astral plane (that might be the same as option 1), a breakaway human civilization with some actual nuts and bolts craft, or something more bizarre that we might have trouble wrapping our heads around.

Brad Steiger once listed a large number of hypotheses that might account for UFO phenomena. Someone quoted it either in this thread or a related one. My feeling is we just don't have enough data to dismiss any possibilities. That said, I'm not a fan of nuts and bolts alien craft, aka the extraterrestrial hypothesis. I do leave open the possibility that I am wrong but I would need a lot of convincing.

[Jim]

James, just because people have seen them doesn't mean they are real. I'm not denying people see weird stuff in the sky that appears to be some sort of craft. That doesn't mean it is a craft.

I'm not saying it's all swamp gas or any bs like that. I'm just saying it's a leap to go from a funny light in the sky to assuming it's a spacecraft.

[James, Group Founder]

Jim, even if you discount the sightings from a great distance where there's potential for ambiguity, you're still left with a very large number of people worldwide (both in the military and civilians) who have seen up close or even touched these antigravity crafts - as clear as sighting a car on the road or a bird flying above your head where there's zero chance of a mis-sighting or incorrect assessment.

I myself know about a dozen different people (some military and ex-military and some regular citizens) who have all seen them hovering so low they could throw a stone and hit these crafts. And these are all very sane individuals and good citizens with no record of mental illness. They include an entire family (a father and son and the son's grandparents) I know on a fairly isolated farm in my native New Zealand who all saw such a craft only 50 feet above their heads. They have a quarry on their farm and this entire family woke up late at night to see lights at the back of this farm in Te Puke, Bay of Plenty, NZ (where Kiwifruit comes from - this farmer is predominantly a kiwifruit farmer). So they all went to investigate and found a flying saucer/craft hovering above the quarry shining lights down onto the rocks in the quarry. They watched the craft hovering silently about 50 feet above the quarry for several minutes before it left the vicinity and went off into the night sky. The farmer has no idea whether the craft was military or alien, but suspects military although he really has never studied the UFO subject at all and I don't even know whether he's open to the concept of ETs.

So the alien issue is still up for debate in my mind, but not the issue of whether these classified craft exist in my opinion.

[David]

Well, I can't let this go by without some comment.

I continue to lean towards supernatural, inter-dimensional, or time travel.

As for concrete physical eveidence, would like to see it.

Another point is that the government can keep a secret. See Ultra project.

[Harry]

James Morcan wrote: "So the alien issue is still up for debate in my mind, but not the issue of whether these classified craft exist in my opinion.
.."

Yep, that seems about right.

[James, Group Founder]

Harry wrote: "Yep, that seems about right. ."

Well, I just think when you research it in depth far too many stable-minded people have reported seeing very clear sightings (as in the non-ambiguous variety, not the distant lights in the sky variety) of antigravity crafts (whether man-made or alien or whoever the hell designed them) for them not to exist. Perhaps thousands or tens of thousands of such crystal clear sightings (or touchings!) have been reported and of course many others are never reported for fear of ridicule or even safety fears (as per my farmer friend who didn't report the flying saucer that hovered above the quarry right over his farm).

Could some or even many of these close-up sightings or crash reports of flying saucers be made up, imagined or else in the case of military figures some kind of disinformation? Yes, most definitely. But, could they ALL have been made up or imagined? I think there's about a .0000000001% chance of every single one being false, especially in my own experience as I know and trust some of them while many others are outstanding citizens and high up in their respected fields who would have little if anything to gain by this sort of trickery.

So that's antigravity crafts in my assessment. They're in our skies for sure I think.
As to ETs, that is much more complex and some people may be confusing astral plane or paranormal phenomenon with real physical beings. Overall however, I still think it's a case of "all of the above" on that list I posted elsewhere of Brad Steiger's possible explanations for aliens. So if I had to guess, and unlike my opinion on the existence of flying saucers this really would be a guess, I'd say ETs are probably real especially as ancient cultures here on Earth (like the Sumerians and the Ancient Indian civilizations) seem to indicate they were visited...And so IF alien beings are real, I'd guess they are a combination of physical, interdimensional and paranormal and man-made (cyborgs) and possibly even crazier things like them being the descendants of us who have time traveled back into the past (our present) to alter the timeline.

p.s. If there are any ET or hybrid alien/human beings in this group (!) can you please put the story to rest as we are all sick of the mystery :)
p.p.s. That was a joke guys!

[Harry]

James Morcan wrote: "Harry wrote: "Yep, that seems about right. ."

Well, I just think when you research it in depth far too many stable-minded people have reported seeing very clear sightings (as in the non-ambiguous ..."

That pretty much sums up my exact thoughts and feelings on the subject, so I've nowt to add. But, yeah, maybe there are some aliens contributing to this group... but would they be able to type with their tentacle suckers?

[James, Group Founder]

Harry wrote: "That pretty much sums up my exact thoughts and feelings on the subject, so I've nowt to add. But, yeah, maybe there are some aliens contributing to this group... but would they be able to type with their tentacle suckers? ..."

Maybe those Undergrounders who are ETs are literally underground and telepathically communicate to other Undergrounders who have the right paws to be able to type...

This is starting to sound like some 1950s B-Grade Hollywood sci-fi movie...Maybe a title like: THEY LIVE UNDERGROUND AND THEY ARE COMING: LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS AND YOUR WIVES!

[Jim]

I think a certain percentage are hoaxes - either people looking for attention or some sort of disinformation campaign as in the ghost rockets thing.

I think, by far, most are military craft of some sort.

There are probably some cases of weird atmospheric effects, temperature inversions and ball lightning which tends to coincide with earthquakes and volcanoes.

The remainder is what I think we are arguing about. I think it's something genuinely weird but don't have a favorite theory.

[Martin]

Bruce wrote: "Jim wrote: "... it doesn't follow that you saw an alien space craft..."

I admit that. I might have been seeing one of our own craft, so it isn't really proof of aliens. I used to work in the Penta..."

There are alternate theories to UFOs being extraterrestrial. One is they are us time-traveling from the future. Another is they are extra-dimensional. That one is picking up steam since science is now accepting the idea there are multiple dimensions. Finally, there is the theory they are from some form of hollow Earth civilization. That one is also picking up steam because recent research is indicating vast oceans of water beneath the Earth's crust. I'm not saying I adhere to any of these; just saying they are there.

Another theory is that Zecharia Sitchin was right about the planet Nibiru. In light of recent news, I wrote a blog post on this subject. ( http://www.martinroyhill.com/martin-s...)

I am disinclined to believe UFOs are some kind of secret military aircraft (unless they have an extraterrestrial origin). I have posted here before about what I call the Tom Clancy syndrome -- he always wrote stories about how wonderous our military technology was. Clancy never served in the military. We who have know the technology doesn't work half the time. Just look at the most recent news on the latest US military technology:

1. The F-35, our latest, most technologically advanced, and most expensive stealth fighter, may not be combat worthy. Even if it is deemed combat ready, the Air Force is now considering building using an older air platform to carry out the missions the F-35 was supposed to do but can't.

2. The Navy's latest and most advanced destroyer, the DDG-1000 Zumwalt class, is already considered unrealistic and only two will be built. Instead, the Navy will build more of its predecessor, the Arleigh Burke DDG.

3. The Navy's other latest and most technologically advanced combat ships, the littoral combat ships, keep breaking down at sea and cannot defend themselves against even minor attacks from enemy small boats.

My point is, we seem to have reached a plateau (for the time being) in human technological advancement. This will eventually change, of course, but I think that's where we are right now.

[Bruce]

I am getting the drift, and I agree with the idea that ETs are real, and so are ALL of the other things, often intertwined. The universe is not that simple.

[Elisabet]

I'm not saying I'm ET, but the US Government considers me an alien...

[James, Group Founder]

Lisa wrote: "I'm not saying I'm ET, but the US Government considers me an alien..."

SO what happens if some refugee ETs ever make it to American shores (officially speaking I mean). Will they be called illegal alien aliens to differentiate from the human illegal aliens? :)

[Elisabet]

James Morcan wrote: "Lisa wrote: "I'm not saying I'm ET, but the US Government considers me an alien..."

SO what happens if some refugee ETs ever make it to American shores (officially speaking I mean). Will they be c..."

Who is to say that they are foreigners in America? Do we really know what type of contracts the US has with other planets?

I also find it interesting that the white man considers others, who arrived in America under similar circumstances as their ancestors, aliens.... the only difference is that we aren't kicking people out of their homes and taking their lands...... The land of the free (please read the fine print)...

[David]

Martin wrote "I have posted here before about what I call the Tom Clancy syndrome -- he always wrote stories about how wonderous our military technology was. Clancy never served in the military. We who have know the technology doesn't work half the time. Just look at the most recent news on the latest US military technology:"

A great point by Martin. Hollywood and novelists sometimes paint a much prettier picture than what reality shows.

[David]

Hopefully we can stay in the topic and not jump off into immigration politics.

[Bruce]

If this forum had a "Like" button, I wouldn't need to post anything. But then, maybe you like all of these posts. :-)

[Martin]

James Morcan wrote: "Lisa wrote: "I'm not saying I'm ET, but the US Government considers me an alien..."

SO what happens if some refugee ETs ever make it to American shores (officially speaking I mean). Will they be c..."

Wasn't that a movie and TV show in the 1980s? Alien Nation, or something like that. A space craft arrives in Los Angeles full of alien refugees.

[James, Group Founder]

Aye, Sir.
Alien Nation was on my mind.
But anyway I don't wanna go off topic and make analogies between aliens and immigrants again as some people support Trump and LOVE calling immigrants illegal aliens ;)

[James, Group Founder]

What about the mystery of the Dogon peoples in Africa? How did they get their advanced maps of space?

Summary: The Dogon people live in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu. At the center of their religious teachings is knowledge about a star that is invisible to the eye and so difficult to obsevrve -- even through a telescope -- that no photographs were taken of it until 1970. The Dogon say they received their knowledge by visitors to the earth from another star system.

In 1995, two French Astronomers published the results,
after years of study, and stated that a small, red-dwarf star
seems to exist in the Sirius star system...*

http://ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1...

The Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B

In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy. It also rotates on its axis.

This legend might be of little interest to anybody but the two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, who recorded it from four Dogon priests in the 1930's. Of little interest except that it is exactly true. How did a people who lacked any kind of astronomical devices know so much about an invisible star? The star, which scientists call Sirius B, wasn't even photographed until it was done by a large telescope in 1970.

The Dogon stories explain that also. According to their oral traditions, a race people from the Sirius system called the Nommos visited Earth thousands of years ago. The Nommos were ugly, amphibious beings that resembled mermen and mermaids. They also appear in Babylonian, Accadian, and Sumerian myths. The Egyptian Goddess Isis, who is sometimes depicted as a mermaid, is also linked with the star Sirius.

The Nommos, according to the Dogon legend, lived on a planet that orbits another star in the Sirius system. They landed on Earth in an "ark" that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind. It was the Nommos that gave the Dogon the knowledge about Sirius B.

The legend goes on to say the Nommos also furnished the Dogon's with some interesting information about our own solar system: That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings and that the planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope.

The story of the Dogon and their legend was first brought to popular attention by Robert K.G. Temple in a book published in 1977 called The Sirius Mystery. Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

This is a possibility considering Sirius B's existence was suspected as early as 1844 and seen was through a telescope in 1862. It doesn't seem to explain a 400-year old Dogon artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration nor the ceremonies held by the Dogon since the 13th century to celebrate the cycle of Sirius A and B. It also doesn't explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories.

It is also important to remember that although many parts of the Dogon legends seem to ring true, other portions are clearly mistaken. One of the Dogon's beliefs is that Sirius B occupied the place where our Sun is now. Physics clearly prohibits this. Also, if the Dogon believe that Sirius B orbits Sirius A every 50 years, why do they hold their celebrations every 60 years?

Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky and can easily be seen in the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Look for the constellation Orion. Orion's belt are the three bright stars in a row. Follow an imaginary line through the three stars to Sirius which is just above the horizon. It is bluish in color.

Sirius is only 8.6 light years from Earth. Astronomer W.Bessel was the first to suspect that Sirius had an invisible companion when he observed that the path of the star wobbled. In the 1920's it was determined that Sirius B, the companion of Sirius, was a "white dwarf" star. The pull of its gravity caused Sirius's wavy movement.

White dwarfs are small, dense stars that burn dimly. Sirius B is, in fact, smaller than the planet Earth. One teaspoon of Sirius B is so dense that it weighs 5 tons.

So did alien fish-men pay a visit to ancient Earth and give the Dogon their knowledge? Or was the Dogon's culture contaminated by western visitors? Or could the Dogon's have had ancient technical or non-technical means to find this information out? Or is the whole thing just a matter of coincidence?

The question maybe settled as larger and more powerful telescopes take a look at the Sirius system. According to the legend there is a third star: Sirius C, and it is around Sirius C that the home planet of the Nommos orbits. Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life, though.

When Temple first issued his book in the 1970's there was no solid evidence of a Sirius C. In 1995, however, two French researchers, Daniel Benest and J.L. Duvent, authored an article in the prestigious journal Astronomy and Astrophysics with the title Is Sirius a Triple Star? and suggested (based on observations of motions in the Sirius system) there is a small third star there. They thought the star was probably of a type known as a "red dwarf" and only had about .05 the mass of Sirius B.

So has the home star of the Nommos been discovered? Or is this just another strange coincidence?

http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm

The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago

[Harry]

James Morcan wrote: "What about the mystery of the Dogon peoples in Africa? How did they get their advanced maps of space?

Summary: The Dogon people live in the Homburi Mountains near Timbuktu. At the center of their ..."

That's a very good summing up of the Dogon people's beliefs. It is amazing that they knew Sirius was a binary star.

[James, Group Founder]

A lot is ignored in our Ancient past, mate...
Like how the hell the Ancients built colossal and astronomically aligned and mathematically precise pyramids all over the world...

[Harry]

Yep. And plenty more...

[Jim]

It has been argued that the Dogons inherited a lot of their beliefs from the Egyptians via the Greeks. It's also interesting that Dogon grain silos share some design features with Buddhist stupas.

[David]

Since I helped start the Dogon conversation from behind the scenes, let's look at the other side. (Could be a grumpy old cynic here ALERT)

From the webpage; http://skepdic.com/dogon.html

"The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had contact with some ugly, amphibious* extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. The aliens came here for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting Sirius some 8.6 light years from earth. The alleged visitors from outer space seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless astronomical information."

Read the rest of the story-makes for interesting contemplation on how we humans can get what we want out of a story.

[James, Group Founder]

Yes sorry David - I forgot to credit you for sending me that initial info on the Dogons.
And I love how you present both sides including the skeptical viewpoint - that's the only way to consider anything and not grumpy at all!

[David]

Wasn't looking for royalties though I am always willing :-)

The ancients definitely had some contact with somebody with incredible intelligence. We need to keep looking. As we explore the solar system I hope we find the "smoking gun" that proves there was some star traveling beings. However, I continue to lean more and more to the interdimensional aspect.

[James, Group Founder]

Thanks David (in lieu of royalties I am glad you will accept a free lifetime membership to Underground Knowledge as an honorary member and New Mexico's primary representative!).

I agree we must never discount the interdimensional aspect.
If it's true this African tribe had advanced knowledge of distant constellations invisible to the naked eye, Is it possible the Dogons were doing something the equivalent of Remote Viewing whereby they were able to explore the universe with the power of their minds?

[David]

Remote viewing again moves into the paranormal. The CIA thought it was real.

[James, Group Founder]

The CIA spent a lot of money on various remote viewing programs over decades. And those are just the declassified programs we know about. The US Navy and Army has also had a lot of psychic projects.

Logic tells me they weren't doing all this for fun or as hobbies, but who knows for sure. Jim is training as a remote viewer so ask him! :)

[James, Group Founder]

Here's a skeptic's look at the whole UFO movement and alien abductions (thanks again David for this link):
http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/

Excerpt from The Abductionist's Wife: A Memoir

by Carol Rainey

“Extraordinary...beautifully written…with a highly original, almost unbelievable story.”

- Candy Schulman, author of essays and articles, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, McSweeney’s, Newsweek, and the book Lost and Found.



Blogger's Note

The work presented in both parts one and two of this post, including all written content and photos, is credited to Carol Rainey. I am pleased to provide a venue for it. - Jack Brewer


Author’s Note

It seems timely now, in this era of frighteningly extreme beliefs, to make public my own personal story of how even the unlikeliest person can find herself drawn to enter into an extreme belief system. How she gets caught up in its mythic power, becomes part of the community, and finally, faces the painful fact that she must leave it and people she loves behind. What are the forces that collude to cause a thoroughly modern, educated woman like me to embrace such an unconventional set of beliefs as that of alien abduction and UFOs? It would be easy to explain away by blaming it on my falling in love with and marrying the charismatic leader of this community at the far edges of society. But it’s more than that. There’s a deeper reason, even, than love.



Author at work, 1994
As I write this unfinished memoir, poking at the past a little every day, it is extraordinarily difficult to tell you – or to understand myself -- what happened to me inside that chaotic, exciting, almost cultish environment for well over a decade. Just as somebody entering thick woods might pick up a sturdy stick, I picked up my video camera to help me understand the beliefs of my husband and the victims who came to him for counsel and hypnosis. Making the film only drew me closer into his investigations, case by case. I saw how a UFO researcher actually did his recovered memory work; not what he said he did. If I questioned his methods or what seemed like a willingness to believe almost anything, that temerity landed me on the enemies list. Days later, we wouldn’t be able to keep our hands off each other. It was the most madly in love, rage-filled, crazy-making, tumultuous relationship of my life.

Some readers may dismiss my story for that very reason. The angry ex-wife…motives…too close for objectivity. But there is no one else to tell this story. On a day-to-day basis, abduction researchers work alone, with no peer review and no one to double-check their methods and ethics.i It was only the abductionist’s wife who saw, first-hand, how researchers could and did shape the alien abduction narrative they wanted -- the terrifyingly invisible alien takeover of the planet and the human species. It is my hope that The Abductionist’s Wife digs far below the surface of the UFO community to reveal the compulsion and complexities of any belief. What I want to offer is a poignant, but clear-eyed story about a great love gone awry in a tangled, emotionally taut search for answers to a human mystery.

Read full book excerpt here: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.au/

[James, Group Founder]

I was watching this video Alien Bloodlines, & Unlocking DNA Mysteries Through Bliss with Dan Winter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiWc...

No idea if any of the material is true or not, but what made me laugh is the physicist Dan Winter said humans were created by ETs to be their "slaves, vaccines and snack food!!!"

Imagine if we are just snack food!! In that case, I hope we are at least a healthy snack and not junk food :)

[Bruce]

James Morcan wrote: "I hope we are at least a healthy snack and not junk food :) "

I've read that aliens prefer young humans, because the older ones contain too much caffeine, which the aliens don't tolerate well. :-)

[James, Group Founder]

Lockheed Skunkworks employee speaks out "Technology from Extraterrestrials" https://www.goodreads.com/videos/9920...

[James, Group Founder]

Humanoid Encounters: 2000-2009: The Others amongst Us synopsis:

The World's most amazing Humanoid encounter cases. The bizarre, real, global reports of; UFO occupants - Ultraterrestrials, Extraterrestrials, Cryptoterrestrials, Robots & more. Mysterious beings - Bigfoot, Flying Humanoids, Werewolves, Mermaids, Dwarves and even stranger exotic humanoids. Albert S. Rosales is the world's leading expert on humanoid encounter cases.

[John]

I am pretty skeptical about aliens to be honest. The Fermi paradox has pretty much convinced me that we are either all alone, or the distances are too great for any form of intelligent life to reach us.

[Joseph]

Breaking. There has not been ET imprints in the known universe for some 14 Billion years. This does not mean there is no possibility they exist. But by the probability factor, it does mean that.

There is no need to turn over ever rock in the universe to determine conclusively. The correct maths says: The unknown is more like the known than not so.

[James, Group Founder]

Joseph wrote: "Breaking. There has not been ET imprints in the known universe for some 14 Billion years. This does not mean there is no possibility they exist. But by the probability factor, it does mean that...."

Agree with you that it's completely possible ETs do not exist - In fact I posted previously in this subject about how the whole alien movement could have been purposefully hoaxed:

Disinforming the public: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

However to say categorically there are no ET imprints in 14 billion years of the history of the universe is speculation, in my opinion. I mean, we are struggling to even find full evidence of some events of the last 14 centuries on Earth, let alone 14 billion years of the universe ;)
Plus, some researchers argue there are imprints here on earth of ancient aliens (not saying they are right, but the likes of Sumerian records etc need further investigation).

There is evidence in all directions but no proof of any single theory. So for now we need to allow for mystery of it all. My thinking is these things, even extraterrestrial or paranormal subjects, need to be approached scientifically...And when all the evidence is yet to be correlated (or in this instance 99% of the research is still to be done!), the right scientific approach is to remain on the fence and open to all possibilities.

Even the aforementioned age of the universe (14 billion, or 14.3 billion I think the "estimate" is) is speculative based off of the Big Bang Theory - more and more scientists have moved away from that theory in recent years, even tho admittedly it still remains commonly accepted in academia.

It's frustrating that we know so little and that science is still VERY young.

[James, Group Founder]

‘UFO Sighting’ In Ohio: Another Mind-Blowing ‘UFO Sighting;’ Could Recent Sightings Signal Alien Surveillance -- http://www.universityherald.com/artic...

[David]

From Cornell University Study-It could be awhile:
Aliens may take 1,500 more years to contact Earth: Study


Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/a...

[Kilig]

A while ago I discovered the famous video of Canadian Minister of Defence, Hon. Paul Hellyer, discuss his belief in aliens:

https://youtu.be/JDuqZbjxB_E

He also spoke of the books by Charles Hall:

Millennial Hospitality

I've read the books and I must say that if this really is a true story-- it's pretty intense. For those not interested in reading all of his books, he has toured a few times and videos of his speeches can be found on YouTube.

[James, Group Founder]

Are ET's Walking Among Us Right Now? (interview with researcher and author [author:Richard M. Dolan): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVyS...

[David]

Hey James-good catch-thanks for the link.

[James, Group Founder]

David wrote: "Hey James-good catch-thanks for the link."

No worries, David, I haven't listened to much of the interview myself yet but thought I'd share as Mr Dolan is a very level-headed guy in my opinion...He's open to every possible thing including ETs being real, but also not being real.

[David]

It is very well done and Dolan looks great as an old Beatle.