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That IS the question, right? But we don't even know how he found out about Madoc and Nick. Before the recent CON books, I thought he sort of "felt it" or something, the way some characters just know things sometimes. But then we found out about his connection to Nick. If he could tell Madoc and Nick were brothers through some sort of psychic power, then wouldn't he be able to tell Nick was also his grandson? So he either knows about Nick's connection to him (and hasn't mentioned it), or he can't tell if people are related to each other, and he was told about Madoc. (Not great news, considering the very small circle that knows about Madoc includes Grim and possibly Laguerre and Livia)
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How the hell the xev know?
Ma'at told him in Instinct
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "if jared knew Nick and Madoc are brothers then how come he does not know nick is his grandson?"
Don't Nick and Madoc kind of resemble each other? or is that just something that my mind made up while looking for similarities?
Don't Nick and Madoc kind of resemble each other? or is that just something that my mind made up while looking for similarities?
Does Jared even know who his real father is? That's a thought, and maybe in that pre-altered timeline that's not the case?
Adam wrote: "Does Jared even know who his real father is? That's a thought, and maybe in that pre-altered timeline that's not the case?"
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Nick and Madoc both have dark hair and blue eyes. Beyond that, I don't know. Though they can't look too much alike. Nick is apparently almost identical to Adarian. If Madoc took after his father, it would be obvious to everyone that they are brothers. I don't know if Jared knows about Xev either.
I think the reason he knows that Madoc and Nick are brothers is because as the last Sephiroth, he can always tell who has Malachai blood in them, so he can always identify his enemy even when hes hidden.
That would make sense. He wouldn't be able to detect his own connection to Nick, but he would know about Madoc.
Adam wrote: "I think the reason he knows that Madoc and Nick are brothers is because as the last Sephiroth, he can always tell who has Malachai blood in them, so he can always identify his enemy even when hes h..."
I think that's how the others know... not the enemy thing but sensing who has Malachai blood
I think that's how the others know... not the enemy thing but sensing who has Malachai blood
Marie wrote: "others?"
Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot.
Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot.
Neona wrote: "Marie wrote: "others?"Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot."
Adarian told Grim before he died. I figured Grim told Laguerre.
Marie wrote: "Neona wrote: "Marie wrote: "others?"
Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot."
Adarian told Gri..."
I need to re-read inferno, thank goodness I found a copy (and it was hard to find) back in june
Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot."
Adarian told Gri..."
I need to re-read inferno, thank goodness I found a copy (and it was hard to find) back in june
Neona wrote: "Marie wrote: "Neona wrote: "Marie wrote: "others?"Grim and Laguerre because were they talking about having Nick's brother be the Malachai.
And there was others who know, but it's not a lot."
Ad..."
I re-read the scene where Adarian was locked up with Cherise, and I'm not sure of it anymore. Here's what I thought happened:
Adarian is cornered by a demon in prison. That demon tells him about a son they've known about for centuries: Madoc. Only Adarian didn't know about it. This all happens right around the time Adarian has a meeting with Grim in prison.
Then, in Inferno, when Adarian is locked up with Cherise, he mentally rants about how he shouldn't have trusted Grim.
So I figured Adarian told Grim about Madoc. Grim decided to trap Nick and Adarian together so one or the other would die and absorb the others powers. And then he planned to unleash Madoc on the survivor. Which is basically what happened. Adarian died, Nick got his powers, and not long after that the other generals were unleashed and called a vote for his dismissal. Grim probably thought Nick would fail the test and Madoc would become the Malachai in his stead. Being a powerful god (and technically a sociopath at this point) Madoc would unleash the Apocalypse Grim wanted so badly.
But I need to track down the scene where the demon cornered Adarian to confirm. He might have said something to indicate he would use the info or tell Grim about his other son.
Ok, here's what I got from Infamous:"But as they handcuffed him on the ground, his thoughts turned to something he’d never suspected before. He had another son out there. One who was grown, who had the blood of two gods flowing through him. While that son might not have the Malachai powers, he was a god and if Nick were to die.…Adarian could infuse his other son with enough of Nick’s blood to combine all three."
Well, he was planning something and seeing as Grim was his ally at the time, he might have told him of his plans. Also, "two gods"? Madoc's mother is a goddess so I get one god. Is he talking about Braith's bloodline with the other? And "combine all three"? If Madoc is two out of three godly bloodlines, does that mean the third one Adarian is referring to is Jaden's or Azura's? Did Adarian know what Cherise was? Or was he just talking about combining the two godly bloodlines with the Malachai blood?
Why did Grim betray Adarian?
I'm guessing he thought Nick or Madoc would be easier to control. Adarian had been free for a while and was still too afraid of being captured by Noir and Azura, or tracked by Seth, to open the gates and unleash the apocalypse. Grim saw an opportunity to get a new Malachai and use him for his own purpose, and he took it.
the new guy on invision.. is it possible he is another of Adarian 's children
I just figured that was Cyprian in disguise. But yeah, it could be another kid. Funny story, I actually dreamt Nick and Madoc had a half-sister they never knew about. She was the unknown scarred woman in the vision Nick had. I dreamed that Nick had to time-travel and, to avoid destroying the balance by having two Malachai at the same time or by having no Malachai in the present, he gave his powers to his sister in his absence. She was badass.
Marie wrote: "Ok, here's what I got from Infamous:"But as they handcuffed him on the ground, his thoughts turned to something he’d never suspected before. He had another son out there. One who was grown, who h..."
I believe Adarian was talking about combining the two godly bloodlines with the Malachai blood, which would have given Adarian one hell of a power boost if he were to tap into all of that.
That's probably it. If he knew about Cherise, he would have probably eaten her or at least used her against Mennie, Jared, Jaden and others.
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "the new guy on invision.. is it possible he is another of Adarian 's children"
I thought Cyprian was supposed to be Nick son from the future. Or some werid test tube baby made with Nick's blood.
I thought Cyprian was supposed to be Nick son from the future. Or some werid test tube baby made with Nick's blood.
How close have cherise and bubba gotten?
I think Ray was talking about Nathan when he said "the new guy".
Marie wrote: "I think Ray was talking about Nathan when he said "the new guy"."
It's either Cyprian, a new character, or someone from the dark hunter books posing as a teenager.
It's either Cyprian, a new character, or someone from the dark hunter books posing as a teenager.
yeah i meant nathan
I think Nathan is Cyprian in disguise as well. Could be a Red Herring though (but I don't think so :P)
So Dagon has been revived?
Yep Noir revived him and sent him after Nick
but he was freed by his sister right?
Nah I dont think so. I dont know of his sister. I know he decided to side with Nick when he realized that Noir was playing him. Noir really wasnt gonna free his wife as Noir had killed centuries ago. Nick ended up making him a general. Unless you're thinking of Zavid.
Was Dagon dead? Or simply imprisoned (before Noir sent him after Cherise).
Just checked Instinct. He was being held. Not dead. That was his punishment after he helped King Lycaon.
Said he was imprisoned for 5 thousand years.
Was it really "imprisoned"? I thought he was one of Noir's (unwilling) minions for that time, not imprisoned. He could have been out and about during that 5 thousand years, doing Noir's bidding. I don't remember reading anywhere that he was locked up.If the question was really about Zavid, then he was killed and his soul taken by Noir. Then his soul was rescued and he can have a "solid" form (as opposed to "spectral") when he drinks Xev's blood. He wasn't revived, exactly, just made solid. To be revived, he has to drink from some magical cup.
Yeah Dagon says he was imprisoned in Instinct in Chapter 9 of the ebook. Xev asks him how long had he been held. Dagon replies "since the reign of Etana". Nick cant tell how long that was so Menyara tells him that was 5 thousand years ago.
Man, Noir goes through the trouble of blackmailing a guy into being his evil minion and then locks him away for centuries? What's the point if he barely ever used Dagon to do his bidding?
Well if he must not have had a real hold on Dagon since Dagon made the decision to side with Nick so easily. I think and I could be wrong that he was using Dagon's wife as a way to keep him at bay. Like so long as you stay here and dont fight me, I wont harm Shala (even though he did in fact kill her already). So Im guessing if he had sent Dagon out, he would have figured out sooner that Shala was dead and turned against him. I think he took a chance sending Dagon after Nick/Cherise and underestimated the sway Nick's crew have. If it wasnt for Xev and Menyara, Dagon would have done exactly as Noir said
You're probably right. I'm just wondering what use Noir found for Dagon in the meantime.
yeah i meant zavid
That's a good question. Dagon was an akkadian god of magic, seasons, and time; maybe, Noir had him doing magical experiments or spells similar to what he did for King Lycaon.
Although it's interesting that before he was a ruthless war god that judged the dead like Cam did and served with the Malachai army.
I'm not too surprised about the war god thing considering Laguerre is his sister. I wonder if Noir treated him like Seth, or with something closer the way he treats Laguerre. Or maybe it was an uneasy truce between them, like with Thorn? But I remember when Jaden found out Nick chose Dagon and Nash as his generals, his reaction was something like "are you crazy? You chose them?" so I'm a lot more curious about Nash at this point. I understand why Dagon is a surprising choice (being Noir's son and minion) but we really don't know much about Nashira at all. She doesn't even have a character page on the website. She's a "wind spirit"/tengu. The only character I've ever heard of who was wind-like is Zenobi. So that's my only clue, and it might have nothing to do with Nash.
I thought Nashira was imprisoned into a book by Nick's father (or another Malachai).
I wonder what she did to get imprisoned or was it because she knows a lot? because that could have something to do with it.
or she just hates the Malachai... besides nick
I wonder what she did to get imprisoned or was it because she knows a lot? because that could have something to do with it.
or she just hates the Malachai... besides nick
what exactly is she?
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "what exactly is she?"
A crow Tengu (japanese Yokai/ demon)
A crow Tengu (japanese Yokai/ demon)
now thats new. SK is finally. looking into asian mythology
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "now thats new. SK is finally. looking into asian mythology"
I think it mentioned it in one of the books... it's been awhile since i read any of them, but I am listening to the Invision audiobook... plus I've been looking through the chronicles of nick manga series when I get bored
I think it mentioned it in one of the books... it's been awhile since i read any of them, but I am listening to the Invision audiobook... plus I've been looking through the chronicles of nick manga series when I get bored
i wish takashi made an appearance
