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Nope, he's Xev's son and Xev is Jaden's son.
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so let me gues this straight. caleb is Nick's great grand uncle. jared is his grandfather, Xev is his great grandfather , and jaden ia his great grandfather?
Jaden is his great-great-grandfather (and Azura, who is Xev's mother, his Nick's great-great-grandmother)
wow he has an incredible and unbelievable family line. so kody is the reincarnation of Monakribos' wife?. which would explain why she is so deeply in love with Nick?
wait who is caleb's mother?
Jared is the son of Xevikan and Myone. Xevikan is Jaden's son.
Caleb has a different mother from Xev, but we don't know much about her aside from the fact that Caleb was also conceived through some sort of trick on Jaden and that she is presumably of the same demon race as Caleb.
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "is jared Jaden 's son?"
grandson
grandson
Definitely some interesting ideas going on here.So, touching on something that was mentioned a few posts back, about Cyprian possibly being created from Nick's blood ... anyone remember in Instinct, when Livia stabbed Nick with his sword? When she made her claim as the new Malachai, she also claimed that it was Nick's blood that covered her. Which makes sense, since I doubt that she could have stabbed him without getting any of his blood on her. And she did end up getting dragged back to Azmodea.
My thought is that if Cyprian is indeed simply created by Nick's blood, that would be the most likely way in which the blood was obtained.
But based on something that I found on the official site, it's probably more likely that Laguerre (or one of her minions) managed to get to either Nick or Cyprian at some point in time. What I'm thinking of, is in this post here: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
I'm thinking of that bit about Cyprian trying to preserve the past, which quite frankly, give me chills.
The idea of Cyprian being Nick's dark side being separated from him is ... interesting. I seriously doubt that it would happen that way, but it's interesting. And just to rehash, the prophecy about the Malachai does indeed mention him standing united with his brother. More importantly, it is stated: "One who could restore balance and make sure that the world didn't end. That he held it tandem with his brother . . ." (Illusion, Kindle edition, 58%).
To me, the part about "in tandem" is extremely important. I'm under the impression that the Malachai would essentially share his power with his brother.
Yep, I still maintain that the brother in question is Madoc, because why else all the buildup about him, and the fact that Kody et. al, have no desire to see him inherit Malachai powers? He figures VERY prominently in the Dream-Hunter books. And I find it an odd coincidence that Jaden's symbol is also the Dream-Hunter symbol. Add to that the fact that SK has mentioned that she wants to write his book, which to me, adds up to Madoc being an unlikely hero of sorts ... and the entire Dark-Hunter world is peppered with unlikely heroes.
Just my two cents' worth. =)
Oh ... Ray, am I correct in guessing you haven't read Invision yet? >.>
halfway through
Well, now I feel bad. Ray, are you sure you want to see all these spoilers?And Charlotte: (view spoiler)
i have just finished it. so i am good i am finally glad to see the mysterious connection between jared and jaden has been revealed
I was thrilled about that too but I have to say I WAS a little bit disappointed in the book. I got to the end and I was like "That's it???". None of the initial problems or mysteries were resolved, while all the other problems that distracted the main characters were resolved ridiculously easily. (view spoiler)
I'm grateful for the massive info dump explaining the family dynamics as well as Monakribos. But I feel like too much of the story was focused on the past, to the detriment of all the action that could have taken place in the present. But like I said, that minuscule level of disappointed is well compensated by the fact that some mysteries that have dragged on for years about Jared and Jaden were finally resolved.
Marie wrote: "Well, now I feel bad. Ray, are you sure you want to see all these spoilers?And Charlotte: I think the brother this is referring to is Ash, because of the whole reincarnation thing. But mostly be..."
I must have missed something here, because I honestly don't remember anywhere in the book, where it was stated that Nick was Monakribos reincarnated.
Aside from that, as to who the brother is being referred to in the prophecy ... let's just agree to disagree. ;)
Charlotte wrote: "Marie wrote: "Well, now I feel bad. Ray, are you sure you want to see all these spoilers?And Charlotte: I think the brother this is referring to is Ash, because of the whole reincarnation thing. ..."
I'd have to look it up, but I DO remember Jaden and Caleb making a a big deal out of the fact that Nekoda is Rubati reborn through Bathymaas. And that that was the reason she felt that way about/around Nick.
I figured that .i have tow theories to where cyprian could have come from
two theories
1. Back on infamous Nick gave artemis a portion of his blood to save Kody after she got stabbed by adarian. what if cyprian came from that2. nick slept with Stryker's sister in the original DH timeline . She probably carried his child in secret from everyone
Another theory:In the DH timeline we all know that Nick was a player. Maybe Laguerre disguised herself as a human and they did it.
But would that spawn a Malachai? They need violence.
which is where Nick's blood is a possible explanation
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "1. Back on infamous Nick gave artemis a portion of his blood to save Kody after she got stabbed by adarian. what if cyprian came from that2. nick slept with Stryker's sister in the original DH tim..."
1. When asked why Artemis wanted Nick's blood, Carl or SK answered that "she drinks blood to survive". Which implied that's what she did with it, but doesn't state it straight out. So she probably drank it, but she might still have it stashed somewhere else. Still, I find that unlikely. I personally think Artemis drank Nick's blood, figured out he was the Malachai and that's part of why she just had to bring him back as a DH later on. (I'm also basing this theory on reading that her deal with Nick when he was a kid was part of the reason why he hangs out at her temple after he becomes a DH. I think all that info is in the Official Site Tidbits or Facebook Tidbits thread). Of course, I could be completly wrong about that and Artemis could have sold Nick's blood to the highest bidder.
2. Nick was a DH when he slept with Satara, which means he couldn't have kids that way at the time.
The obvious problem with Nick being such a player is that none of the characters ever bothered keeping track of who he was with before becoming a DH. So it's really hard to find out when Cyprian could have been born!
Michael wrote: "But would that spawn a Malachai? They need violence."If she disguised herself to get him to sleep with her, it's because she knew he wouldn't give her his consent. So that would constitute rape and qualify for the violence thing. Or maybe she drugged him.
Nick is a magnet for trouble. The next book needs to hurry up and come out because I NEED to know how he's going to get out of a murder charge.
what i dont understand is why would adarian stay in jail in the first place if he was pleading for his innocence when he was charged with murer?
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "what i dont understand is why would adarian stay in jail in the first place if he was pleading for his innocence when he was charged with murer?"I think once he got to prison, he decided it wasn't such a bad place after all, especially with all the negative emotion that he was able to charge off of. Plus, it served as an excellent hiding spot for him. =)
@Janelle: Me too! Cliffhangers suck if you don't already have the next book lined up :P@Ray: The malevolence there feeds his powers and allow him to hide from Noir and Azura.
I don't remember him pleading his innocence at all. In fact, I think he admitted to murdering those guys and justified it by saying they were there to invade the city and enslave its inhabitants. He might have tried to plead insanity, but that would have still gotten him locked up, just somewhere else. Plus, I don't think he cared that much if he ended up in prison or not, for all the reasons the Michael and Charlotte already said.
You know, I thought each book was supposed to be a year in Nick's life, until we reach his death and then it's a DH book. But most of the books so far have closely followed the events of the previous book. So is it not going to go that way anymore?
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Invision won't be out til' NEXT September rather than April!!!https://www.facebook.com/AuthorSherri...
I just saw it and was coming here to freak out with all of you! (On the bright side, Deadman Walking comes comes out on my birthday! :D )
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Invision won't be out til' NEXT September rather than April!!!https://www.facebook.com/AuthorSherri..."
TF?!?
Intensity comes out in September.
and she's writing another Dream-Hunter book
and she's writing another Dream-Hunter book
Hi guys, I had a theory (I don't quite believe in) and I thought I'd ask you about it to see what you think. In Instinct, when Noir was "wearing" Zavid to get to Cherise, he said he needed her so Azura could possess her body because she was a blood link to the Source.
We've all been debating about who/what Nathan and his sister are for a while now and I wonder if they might be Noir and/or Azura possessing people.
I have a hard time believing they'd waste their time going to high school, but I figure, if Noir knew Cherise was "a blood link to the Source", then he knows Nick isn't just a run-of-the-mill Malachai. That he's also the prophecised Malachai who can turn from his purpose and fight for Light. So he might be trying to corrupt him young. He might think attacking directly, when he's still not strong enough to get out of Azmodea, would make Cam take Nick away and hide him where Noir couldn't find him again. So he's sticking close to Nick and biding his time.
I don't know. It's a thought.
I think that that theory conflict a lot with what Cyprian said about being Ambrose's son. Even though it only said that Cyprian and Laguerre were on the rooftop it can be inferred that they're Nathan and his little sister, BUT it's not directly stated.Wait, plus it also wouldn't make sense if it were Noir and Azura in Nathan and his sis' bodies because it was seen that they were both in Azmodea and Noir barely had any power to stand on his own two feet, so I doubt that he had enough to possess some kid.
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "I think that that theory conflict a lot with what Cyprian said about being Ambrose's son. Even though it only said that Cyprian and Laguerre were on the rooftop it can be inferred that they're Nath..."Cyprian and Laguerre are standing on a roof over Kyrian and Ash, but we have nothing that indicates they are Nathan and his sister. It doesn't say they are on the roof of Nick's building, which is also where Nathan and his sister moved. As far as we know, it's just some random roof they chose to eavesdrop on Ash and Kyrian.
At one point in CON, they said that the ability to change how people see you, your appearance, takes more power than possessing someone. Weaker demons possess people, powerful demons change their look to disguise themselves. Nick would be able to see through an illusion, but he has a harder time detecting when someone is possessed. Since he can't tell what's so weird about Nathan, maybe that's because he's possessed. (Of course, it doesn't rule out Cyprian who could be so damn uber-powerful that he trumps basic rules of demon hierarchy) My point is, Noir being weaker doesn't mean he's not powerful enough to possess someone. It actually makes it more likely.
I just feel like we all jumped to the conclusion that Nathan was Cyprian because the author established Nathan's shiftiness early on and then introduced us to another big villain in the same book. I'm considering other options.
Also, that bit about "not directly stated" is key to me because it's been emphasized multiple times by Carl that SK choses her words carefully and that what she writes doesn't always have the meaning we think.
Charlotte wrote: "Marie wrote: "Well, now I feel bad. Ray, are you sure you want to see all these spoilers?And Charlotte: I think the brother this is referring to is Ash, because of the whole reincarnation thing. ..."
Hi Charlotte! I finally tracked down the moments in Invision that made me think Nick was Monakribos reincarnated:
(view spoiler)
There are other things too. Monakribos and Nick are the only Malachai to have ever had a mother who loved them and both their fathers sacrificed themselves so they could live. Monakribos' father was a Sephiroth and a demi-god. Cherise came from the same kind of powers. But you're right that it was never stated outright that he was reincarnated, which is important in SK's books. Do you have a different interpretation?
In Instinct there's this bit, which really saddens me since I foreal want Nick to be Monakribos reincarnated cuz that would be epic.Conversation between Nick and Tiamat:
"You are the Malachai?"
Nick hesitated at her tone that was almost insulting. Even so, when a being this powerful asked that question, it was never a good idea to give a straight answer. "Uh...Malamaybe?"
Cupping his face, she pressed her cheek to his and took a deep breath. "You are not (not's in italics) Monakribos." That was the name of the first Malachai, who'd been cursed... she must know a lot about his kind to have the given name of his ancestor. Most had no clue about that. Or, like Xev and Caleb, she was older than dirt.
Right, but I think she takes a deep breath to smell him. She's trying to identify him by scent. I don't think she could smell his soul and recognize Monakribos.EDIT:(Also, this isn't about reincarnation but... in that same scene, she says something like "can't you feel our bond?" I think Monakribos' bond with the Source was severed when he declared war on the gods. I know that his war declaration is what allowed other source gods to kill him and why the sephiroth can attack him even though he's supposed to serve/protect creatures who are of the Source, like the Malachai. I think introducing Jaden and Azura's bloodlines to that of the Malachai reformed that bond between him and the Source. )
Lmao I'm sorry but the smelling the soul bit made me laugh really hard, Marie. Imagine if someone told Nick they were smelling his soul. The smartass comment that it would produce would be hilarious
I think he is Monakribos. Tiamat is *old* and was dead (or as dead as a being such as she can be) for a long time. She could be wrong, or it could be that Nick is Monakribos, but with his own personality (e.g. Sunshine stayed Sunshine even after she got her past memories back). Another possibility is that all the previous Malachais were Monakribos. The fact that they don't have an afterlife probably means that their soul is re-used, which could also be why they share memories and tend to kill each other. What we've seen of Adarian suggests that he is a shade.
Maybe they are 2 of the same beings trying to occupy the same space, so only the dominant one will survive in the end. What makes Nick special is that he had an upbringing similar to Monakribos. All the others before him had horrific upbringings, so it stands to reason that maybe they protected themselves by not seeing what could have been. Nick on the other hand had a decent upbringing, so there is no need to protect himself from those memories.
I think it's in Illusion or Instinct that Xev mentioned that kindness is the downfall of a lot of otherwise dark and evil beings. If that is true, they most definitely would not want Monakribos's memories (something that wouldn't bother Nick).
I kind of like this theory. It's a bit too complicated given how little information we have for me to believe it at this point. I mean, we can think Malachai never have afterlife, but what we actually know is that Adarian was wandering an in-between world of shadows at some point after his death. And we still have no idea how the inherited memories work, so we don't know if memories of joy or kindness could actually be passed down or if it would be deemed irrelevant. Both these details are very important to your theory, so I'm gonna wait a little before considering it fully. It's still really interesting though and I wonder if another author has already done something like this. Still, let's say we go with your theory. You think Monakribos' soul has been tagging along with each generation, being suppressed by each Malachai? Maybe, when he gets to Nick, who is more like him than any of the others, he doesn't even try to take over because their souls are, like, compatible. So they just...fused together instead. I just have two questions:
If Malachai souls are "re-used", do you think each Malachai has inherited all of his ancestors' souls (along with Monakribos')?
What do you make of Jaden's comment? : (view spoiler) I doubt that could happen if Monakribos was being suppressed by a series of murderous maniacs.
I think Adrian's afterlife is the same as that is the DHs - no soul = shade. I also think the gods or whoever decided to move said shades between universes. In a way it makes sense because Malachai demons, from what we've seen are smart and very knowledgeable. If anyone could revive themselves after becoming a shade, it would be one of them. It's pure speculation though :PMaybe he was suppressed only to a degree. The other Malachais were undoubtedly evil given how they procreate, but Sherri has said that they don't know how to express love.
I wonder what Jaden meant. We haven't seen a lot about the Malachais (even 7 books in!) but there wasn't ever any talk about one of them hooking up with Bathymaas and Co.
I thought he was talking about Kody and Nick finding each other again and again. Not Malachais finding Bathymaas and Co. Also, Malachais have souls. I asked SK in the Ask the Author section of her Goodreads page. So if he's a shade, it's not due to a lack if soul. But DHs aren't the only ones who become shades after death anyway. Caleb said he will become one if he dies. I'm also not sure what you mean by shades moving between universes. I don't remember seeing that happen at all.
Marie wrote: "Hi Charlotte! I finally tracked down the moments in Invision that made me think Nick was Monakribos reincarnated:["...Because, over and over, no matter how hard the gods keep trying to come between you, the two of you find each other in spite of all obstacles.” - Jaden, to Kody and Nick ..."
Yes, I do remember that particular scene. =)
And yes, I do have a different interpretation. ;)
I agree, the circumstances of Nick's bloodline are strikingly similar to those of Monakribos--born of both light and dark, loved by mother, father sacrificed his life. Those similarities do bring to mind events in SONO, (view spoiler)
And true, it is suggested by Caleb that Kody is essentially the reincarnation of Rubati. (Although I prefer to think of Kody more as a continuation of Rubati's bloodline and essence. But that's just my opinion.)
I'm not sure that Nick truly is Monakribos reincarnated, mainly because it hasn't been confirmed anywhere. I'll admit that it's a possibility, though. (But I tend to think of Nick as a continuation of Kri's bloodline and essence. Again, that's just my opinion.) But let's presume that Kody=Rubati; it doesn't automatically mean that Nick=Monakribos. (I'm thinking of cases in the DH series where one soul is reincarnated when the other is not, and one case where one soul goes through an extra reincarnation.)
In regards to what Jaden said, about Nick and Kody "finding" each other again and again ... to me, that pretty well ties in with Noir's thoughts at the end of Styxx's book: that where Bathymaas was, the Malachai couldn't be far behind.
That suggests to me that perhaps the Malachai has always been drawn to Bathymaas. Like perhaps the Malachai senses Rubati's essence, if you will. And it's certainly possible, given that there's one hell of a timespan between her "birth" and when she met Aricles. Like thousands and thousands of years.
Also, didn't Kody encounter previous Malachai when she was moving through time? That could be part of what Jaden was talking about. (I'll have to look that up.)
At any rate, I interpret Jaden's statement as the Malachai's essence finding Rubati's essence.
And those are some of my thoughts, I hope they make sense. =)
Charlotte wrote: "Marie wrote: "Hi Charlotte! I finally tracked down the moments in Invision that made me think Nick was Monakribos reincarnated:["...Because, over and over, no matter how hard the gods keep trying..."
I see what you mean. It's like when Nick talked about Madaug's presentation on genetic memory. He said sometimes you meet people and you feel like you've always known them. The theory is that it's because somewhere along your bloodline, one of your ancestors crossed paths with the other person's ancestor and something in your blood recognizes the connection. If you're right, that scene could be more of the author's foreshadowing.
I DO believe the Malachai has always been connected to Bathymaas on some level. I mean, she's basically the embodiment of Monakribos' lost love. She litterally had no heart and none of the Malachai after Kri was capable of love until Nick (which is also the lifetime in which she got her heart back). She was born as a cold, justice goddess precisely when the Malachai cursed his entire bloodline to bear his wrath and carry out his quest for vengeance.
I wonder what is the timespan of this world? I mean, Apollo is 250 000 years old and he isn't even close to the oldest. Does anyone know when the Primus Bellum ended in human time?Set and Ma'at said that Bathymaas was created by the Source to balance Set. Maybe Monakribos subconsciously influenced her creation? I mean that Vengeance we've seen is pretty volatile.
Michael wrote: "I wonder what is the timespan of this world? I mean, Apollo is 250 000 years old and he isn't even close to the oldest. Does anyone know when the Primus Bellum ended in human time?Set and Ma'at s..."
I'm not sure, but sometime some characters will mark time by saying it was "before recorded time" and on their profile page, their date of birth is something like "dawn of time". I DO know the Primus Bellum predates the Egyptian Pantheon.
And creating Beth wasn't actually to balance Set. He was unstable and they needed something to anchor him cuz it was getting pretty bad. I seem to remember Caleb saying he was killing people and tearing off limbs at some point. So Beth was more like an anchor, whereas the Source Gods all balance each other. (Also, she was created when Rubati died and that's also when Monakribos was literally ripped to pieces by the gods. Methinks there is a connection here!)
How is it that Bathymaas was created to keep Rezar straight? He's a light god, why he needed her?
Sherrilyn Kenyon : He's not all good. He was always born a bit off and something happened which made him even more unstable. They needed something to anchor him so that he didn't cause an imbalance in the Source. Hugs!
