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Slick wrote: "The mystery woman Nick see's in his future vision reminds him of Caleb, what abut Caleb's suspected sister Ravenna who works with Zeke?Pretty sure it's Thorn who's with Simi, i always find it str..."
About the woman in Nick's bed, I thought it might be Laguerre too but he was already a Dark Hunter by then and incapable of having children... the usual way. Also, before his death, Nick was a notorious horndog so she might not have had to rape him. Maybe they hooked up and he didn't know who she really was. Although... No, that wouldn't work. Violence, violence, violence is the family motto. (BTW, how pissed is Grim going to be that Nick fired him AND slept with his wife?)
Misty wrote: "Slick wrote: "I think all these inconsistencies in the timeline are meant to be there for people to notice, SK is definitely leaving them there intentionally.."Definitely possible. But the only g..."
Yeah, I spent weeks trying to dissect every cryptic comment of Savitar's made in Illusion because I figured the lives of those alternate characters are similar to the ones we know and might reveal something. Totally pointless considering that we're not talking about the same people or the same events and outcomes!
I'm also done trying to analyse any vision. The ones of the future keep changing and now I'm not even sure Kody has a future to go back to. I mean, Caleb said there was a way to stop Nick, at the expense of Kody's future and I'm like "So what? Her future is not something I look forward to! Have you not been listening boy?"
My theory of Nick being 24 when first introduced is a time hopping person whose knowledge of what age 'he' is supposed to be is off.
but in CON the are errors in the timeline. In infinity (18/07/96) is the Zombie attack and that night ends the book. The (19/07/96) begins Invincible and the epilogue said to have spent six weeks when nick is out of your home and think about what kyrian gift for your birthday. But Nick's birthday is in December.
I agree with Myst. I think some points in DH we thought it was squire Nick but it could have been Ambrose or Cyp. Like Ashbalways saying he is 21 cuz that's when he died, maybe Nick is forever 24..and whom ever it was, knew he was present close the the age Nick would become a DH.
Finally read this book and LOVED it. Pretty cool to finally get some answers we all have been speculating about. The one thing I'm a bit confused about though is this - Nick's books now seem to have swung into Jaden's "story", so I assumed we are now in Jaden's arch. But just a few min ago I read what SK said about the three new DH books, starting with Dragonmark. Apparently that one is going to give us more info on Sav's history. Are the two now following different story archs?
Well ... several of us have come to the conclusion that all four arcs are actually running simultaneously in the DH series. But the DH series also goes back and forth on each story arc, if that makes any sense. In some books, we see more of Savitar's story arc, while in other books, we see more of Jaden's story arc. And the same goes for Thorn.So ... I guess the answer to your question is, not really. The four arcs are tied so closely together, that it's difficult (okay, next to impossible) to separate one story arc completely from the others.
Okay, so there was a live feed of the Dragonmark launch party during the Q&A, I've got the link to the video posted in the Word On the Street thread:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...
There's not really all that much information that's new, but Sherri did drop one tidbit: We have met Simi's husband. =)
Charlotte wrote: "Okay, so there was a live feed of the Dragonmark launch party during the Q&A, I've got the link to the video posted in the Word On the Street thread:https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/......"
What if Simi's husband is Mark? That would be an interesting combination.
LOL, that would indeed be quite interesting. XD
Charlotte wrote: "LOL, that would indeed be quite interesting. XD"
and very dangerous... especially when Mark blows something up on accident.
Personally, I kind of wish Caleb ends up marrying Simi (for some reason I think they're so cute together)
and very dangerous... especially when Mark blows something up on accident.
Personally, I kind of wish Caleb ends up marrying Simi (for some reason I think they're so cute together)
I think I read somewhere that Simi's husband is going to be human, but I really can't remember lol
FOUND THIS:Can you name all the sarru titles?
Seth, May 12, 2016
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Carl, MB Staff, May 12,
I started looking up some terms that are used in the books and found out that, when it come to the CON stuff, most of them are Akkadian or Sumerian.
- Dara = blood (akkadian), which we knew and it makes sense after reading Invision
- Ninim = I'm still looking
- Ašû = living creatures (akkadian) (view spoiler)
- Tahazu = battle (akkadian) (view spoiler)
- Namuš = death (sumerian) (view spoiler)
- Gir = still looking. eme-gir is the sumerian word for "native tongue" and every other word with gir in it is either about gods or fire or both
- Uma = in CON, they said Uma-sarru meant "head badass". In akkadian, Uma means "now" or "today" and we know sarru means "king". So I'm thinking "head badass" is more accuretly "current king", seeing as the person who holds the title changes all the time.
I find it intriguing that, in Invision, Laguerre's title was that of(view spoiler) and it wasn't passed on. (view spoiler)
I've looked into this too. Guerre was War itself, so Queen of Struggle fits. Ninim best I could tell is "slave girl". She could possibly be the consort of the Malachai? Look at how Livia acts in Illusion and Invision.
Michael wrote: "I've looked into this too. Guerre was War itself, so Queen of Struggle fits. Ninim best I could tell is "slave girl". She could possibly be the consort of the Malachai? Look at how Livia acts in Il..."So Laguerre's title is the feminine version of "Sarru-Tahazu"? You know, if anybody would be the queen of confusion and struggle, I would think it would be Livia. Her role was pretty much to create strife and spread chaos in the enemy camp. "confusion" for a war goddess seems strange to me, but, hey, I don't write the books so the author must know something about it that I don't. :P
Livia anounced she was Sarru-Ninim in Illusion, and now that role is filled by Nashira. The only thing I can think of that distinguishes Livia from the others is that she made a point of offering herself up to be fed on by him. She says she's the general who will always give him the most power. (Intriguing since Xev apparently has superpowered battery blood) And Nick later called her "the queen of jealousy". Oh, and she said she was one of a kind, like the Malachai. Dowe know anything about her parentage? ...anyway, I'm not sure how any of that is similar to Nashira.
I kinda started to think Livia said all of that to make herself sound better to a Malachai. She wanted to be useful and to be depended on so made herself as available as possible. That was more of what I got from her personality. I could be wrong and there could be more to her
Shari-amor wrote: "I kinda started to think Livia said all of that to make herself sound better to a Malachai. She wanted to be useful and to be depended on so made herself as available as possible. That was more of ..."Me too. And she kept hitting on Nick, but I thought that was more of her trying to manipulate him. It's hard to tell what of all she said is true, and what was just her being treacherous
I don't think Livia felt any real attraction toward Nick. She will do anything to be accepted into the Usumgallu even if it means betraying everyone (view spoiler)
You know, I was re-reading Invision and I think I posted my discovery in the wrong thread because it got me absolutely no reaction even though I think it's pretty mind-blowing. It's about Rubati. (view spoiler)
Michael wrote: "I don't think Livia felt any real attraction toward Nick. She will do anything to be accepted into the Usumgallu even if it means betraying everyone [spoilers removed]"Which was a pretty bad move (view spoiler)
Marie wrote: "You know, I was re-reading Invision and I think I posted my discovery in the wrong thread because it got me absolutely no reaction even though I think it's pretty mind-blowing. It's about Rubati...."
Yeah Marie, with that appearance description it would make sense that Rubati could have been an Arel!
Malachaibubble12 wrote: "Marie wrote: "You know, I was re-reading Invision and I think I posted my discovery in the wrong thread because it got me absolutely no reaction even though I think it's pretty mind-blowing. It's..."
It just seems like one of those hints and details that the author drops and that we end up looking back on later and being like "I should have known then! How did I miss that? It seems so obvious now!"
But would a Malachai be capable of breeding with an Arel? I think it's in Infamous that I read that Malachai blood is poison to Arelim. Wouldn't that mean that babies = death for the mother?
Michael wrote: "But would a Malachai be capable of breeding with an Arel? I think it's in Infamous that I read that Malachai blood is poison to Arelim. Wouldn't that mean that babies = death for the mother?"I'm not sure but we know an Arel can breed with ordinary demons, since that's how the Nasaru are made. Maybe the poison part of Malachai blood comes from the fact that, upon Ru's death, "hatred poisoned his blood" ( I think Ash used those exact words when Nick asked him about the Malachai). So, before Ru's death, it could have been entirely possible for their kinds to procreate.
I don't know if they could now though. When Kody was dying before, some of Nick's blood got in her through the weapon that stabbed her. Which is how we found out about the poisoned blood because Nick wanted to heal her with his. But I'm not sure what was more fatal. The wound the blade inflicted, or the Malachai blood entering her system. (Plus, Kody is technically a ghost so I'm not sure she can have kids in her current condition, even if Nick's blood wasn't poisonous because of his mother)
Hmmm .... true, an Arel can breed with a demon; that much was proven in Dragonbane. But I must have missed something here, because I haven't found anything that states that the Nasaru originated from such a union. Based on information from Carl, I was under the impression that those of demon blood, cannot become Arelim.However .... that information I'm talking about, does lend credence to your theory, Marie, since Bathymaas was more or less a "rebirth" of Rubati, and became reborn as Bethany. I would think that if there was demon blood anywhere in Bathymaas/Bethany, then it should have been impossible for Kody to become an Arel. If that makes any sense ...
And it is possible that Monakribos' blood wasn't poisonous in the beginning. Then again, we really don't know much of anything about the other Malachai that were created.
At any rate, it's a possibility to keep in mind. =)
This makes me wonder though what the Malachai blood actually is. Apparently there were either around 50 or 100s (not sure which given conflicting info from the author) generations of Malachai before Nick. They were said to breed with demons and gods, so could be that the Malachai is actually an Archdemon/Sephiroth hybrid-monster thingy.
Charlotte wrote: "Hmmm .... true, an Arel can breed with a demon; that much was proven in Dragonbane. But I must have missed something here, because I haven't found anything that states that the Nasaru originated fr..."It was in Dragonbane that someone said that,(view spoiler)
Which is also why I think it's incredibly racist of Sroasha to judge Kody for loving a demon. I'm like I know where you come from, buddy
I wonder why there is no mention of any Malachai ever having a daughter. They made a big deal out of the fact that the elder Malachai would hunt down all of his sons in case they were the heir. (Which I still find weird seeing as I thought it would be pretty easy to identify the heir if the elder starts to lose power from the moment its born. Why would he need to kill all his other kids who are no threat to his power and might actually be useful in an army?)
But there is absolutely no mention of a daughter in all that time.
Michael wrote: "This makes me wonder though what the Malachai blood actually is. Apparently there were either around 50 or 100s (not sure which given conflicting info from the author) generations of Malachai befor..."Yeah it's confusing. The Malachai is already insanely powerful so it's hard to tell if contributing DNA from other races actually has any effect. I'm still not sure how being half-Sephiroth and a demi-god somehow made Monakribos into a Malachai . Trying to figure out what generations of unknown DNA did to the Malachai blood is a bit too ambitious for me. (view spoiler)
Could be that Braith was predisposed to giving birth to demons instead of gods? Look at Tiamat for example: she gave birth to Verlyn, but also a whole lot of "monsters" which I suspect are actually demons.
Michael wrote: "Could be that Braith was predisposed to giving birth to demons instead of gods? Look at Tiamat for example: she gave birth to Verlyn, but also a whole lot of "monsters" which I suspect are actually..."I don't think she actually gave birth to any of them. I think she and Chronus made them from the Source. It's been said repeatedly that the original Source Gods are not actually related to each other. Otherwise Azura and Verlyn having a kid together would be really icky.
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I think when it comes to Monakribos, he was a solider and probably a General for the bad guys, and they called their soldiers Malachai to differentiate them from the Sephirii. When the deal was made so there will be one of each to keep the balance and Braith, wanted her son saved, all the hatred he felt for his wife and unborn child being killed, regardless of her being a Malachai, a Sephiroth or an Arel, he tapped into the destructive side of himslef, that he has through his mum, and that is how the Malachai as we know it came to be. Back in the day the Sephirii and Malachai could have easily been male and female, with different coloured wings, I mean look at Cratus and Nike,they are brother and sister and his wings are black and hers are white, so you can in fact be the same race with different coloured wings it must be like hair colour. We know that most demons come from the Malachai is some way but that isn't to say that when it all started the Malachai was in fact a demon, i mean i don't think the sephiroth are classed as demons are they? Does that bit makes any sense?
Marie wrote: "Michael wrote: "Could be that Braith was predisposed to giving birth to demons instead of gods? Look at Tiamat for example: she gave birth to Verlyn, but also a whole lot of "monsters" which I susp..."I don't think that Laguerre slept with Nick either. This is what I think could be a possibility *Imagination going wild*:
He was 'stolen' from the womb and birthed by Laguerre. I also cannot discard the possibilty of Kody being the mother eventhough she is a 'ghost'
Didn't he have a vision of an older version of Kody crying over him as he lay dying?
That was a vision of a woman older than Kody with a "scarred face " and he didn't know who she was. I can buy that he was stolen from the womb and placed in someone else's. It seems to happen often enough when gods involve themselves in stuff. But personally, I think he was made like Jeros was and then adopted by Laguerre
Adam wrote: "I think when it comes to Monakribos, he was a solider and probably a General for the bad guys, and they called their soldiers Malachai to differentiate them from the Sephirii. When the deal was mad..."Since we haven't seen any female Malachai, I considered the possibility of Ru just having different coloured wings. But in any vision, of the past or the future, if te colour of the wings is mentioned, they are described as black. So I figured if the color was as changeable as hair color, we would have seen at least one Malachai in his visions with wings of a different color. But, to be fair, most of the time, Nick doesn't know who the Malachai in the vision is, if it's him or an ancestor. So maybe we've been seeing the same two Malachais in visions since the beginning and they just happen to have black wings. I just figured they were always black in the same way that another race of demons,don't remember which, only has one leg. But of course we haven't seen any female Malachai so it's possible it's also a gender thing where the males are born with black wings and the females with white one. I just find it suspicious that the only one who ever said Ru was a Malachai is Ash, and he is not exactly the best source since he wasn't even there. It's never been confirmed that she actually was one. So the mention of white wings seems to me like a throwaway detail that will become relevant later. But, like I said, there are other explanations for that too.
Marie wrote: "That was a vision of a woman older than Kody with a "scarred face " and he didn't know who she was.
I can buy that he was stolen from the womb and placed in someone else's. It seems to happen oft..."
But what if it is Kody?
And I think I said this before, but what if she died and when they "resurrected" her they whiped her memories and gave her fake ones.
I can buy that he was stolen from the womb and placed in someone else's. It seems to happen oft..."
But what if it is Kody?
And I think I said this before, but what if she died and when they "resurrected" her they whiped her memories and gave her fake ones.
Neona wrote: "Marie wrote: "That was a vision of a woman older than Kody with a "scarred face " and he didn't know who she was. I can buy that he was stolen from the womb and placed in someone else's. It seems..."
That's an interesting thought. Some of the thoughts she's had about her life don't seem compatible.
When she was 2 years-old, Nick finally went crazy, so her and her family went into hiding. But then later she talks about Uncle Hades' great Halloween bash. Say what?
Nick hugs her in one of the first CON books, and she's amazed at the utter joy behind that hug because no one has ever been that happy to see her. Umm... I find that hard to believe, with her family.
Plus, (view spoiler)
I've also been thinking. Remember Illusion? What if Kody isn't Kody from this universe...? The Arelim can obviously traverse universes (contrary to what happened to Kody in that book) so why not simply pull one from another universe?
Michael wrote: "I've also been thinking. Remember Illusion? What if Kody isn't Kody from this universe...? The Arelim can obviously traverse universes (contrary to what happened to Kody in that book) so why not si..."Oh man, that would make everything so much simpler for me. One thing I never understood is that if Kody manages to alter the timeline enough, she's supposed to be sent back into her body, to the life she would have lived had her family not died. But she was born centuries after the events of DH. Am I supposed to believe than whenever we finally get Nick's DH book, for him to end up with Kody and for us to read about it, the events of the book will cover countless centuries into the future? Something has to make it so Kody isn't sent back to her body, if she's going to be born so much later. Or something has to make her be born earlier than before, so we can read about it without flashforward-ing to the year 4563 or whatever
If she were from an parallel universe, she would have no body in this one to be sent to, once she completed her mission. She could just... stick around.
Hmm that's assuming that Styxx and Beth don't get rowdy sooner (due to changes in the timeline) :P
Michael wrote: "Hmm that's assuming that Styxx and Beth don't get rowdy sooner (due to changes in the timeline) :P"That's assuming she was ever born in the first place. Maybe in this world, Styxx and Beth decided to stop at Ari, which is why the Arelim would have had to reach into another world to get what they needed (Kody).
This is getting complicated again.
I think this will be like the Bathymaas-to-Bethany thing. (view spoiler)
I think Kody will die sometime between CON and the events of DH. But she'll be preserved somehow and when she is finally born as Nyria, at some point, she'll get the memories that life back.
I have so many theories with Kody.
This book is great! A lot of OMG moments in it. You have come up with some great theories. I'm confused on the timeline. I'm going to play the devil's advocate and say that Cyprian was there since the beginning. Towards the end of the book, it was revealed that Cyprian can disguise himself as Nick. We know that Apolloymi told Styxx that they were all fooled; therefore the people in the future assume that Nick is behind the attacks, etc when it was Cyprian all along. Is it possible that when Nick sees "himself" in the future, he is actually seeing Cyprian doing his dastardly deeds? Now I'm not too sure about the vision where he sees himself kill Caleb, because his regret seemed genuine.
Would it make sense that Kody died thinking that Cyprian was Nick? That could be the reason that Kody has no knowledge of Cyprian. Any changes in the future would affect her memories due to a trickle down effect. So they haven't changed the future significantly because her memories haven't changed. Of course I will probably will be proven wrong, lol.
It's interesting that Carl said that Cyprian is trying to make sure he is born and that's why he is in the past. I suspect that Cyprian was conceived in Nick's dreams. Nick was a ladies' man before he found out that he was a Malachi so anything is possible.
I like Thorn with Simi, but I remember reading somewhere(the website or blog?) that we met Simi's HEA in Stryker's book. I can't find the reference, but I think it was around the time when Jericho's book came out. That's the reason why I assumed that her HEA was Nim, but now Jared is a possibility. Now I realize that Xev didn't sense the powers from the Kalosum in Simi's children, but he didn't know how Cherise was related to him. We know that something happens to Ash in the future. I'm thinking that something would be a good reason for Simi and Jared to get together. Nick may not have a problem with the identity of her husband, but how they get together.
Jaden said that "Need I remind you of where I've been. where your brothers are...because of you." on page 198. He said "brothers" instead of "brother" so Jaden might have other children out there.
I'm looking forward to seeing the interactions between Jared, Xev and Caleb. I suspect that Jaden raised Jared as his own after Myone died. I wonder if Jared knows who his father is.
Truthfully, Nancy, I'd say that on a lot of the stuff you just mentioned, your guess is as good as ours.It could have been Cyprian we were seeing all along, or it could have been Ambrose in the beginning.
As for Simi's husband ... honestly, I'm not entirely sold on the idea of Thorn and Simi together--at least, not yet, lol. Yeah, I'm the one who suggested it, but I was taking a guess based on what I read in the book. So I could easily be wrong. =)
Jared's just as good a possibility as any other. =)
Really, it doesn't surprise me that Jaden would have other children. After all, Verlyn was the god of vegetation and fertility. ;)
I wonder what Nick might have inherited from that. I mean, his Malachai heritage is all about destruction, right? So having the genes of a god of life and nature...
Hmm these beings that are caught between good and evil are always so powerful. He is only 1/4 Sephiroth though (I think) and 1/2 Malachai. Maybe he can only do the basics?
Well... we all know squire Nick was such a player.
Yeah but that makes me nervous. He's relate to a fertility god but the fate of the universe hinges on him never fathering a son
yeah in the original timeline, before Ambrose's many interferences made him meet Kyrian earlier and allowed his father to live longer. At some point, the changes to the timeline in CON had to have started affecting the "present" DH books because in CON, Nick has worked for Kyrian since he was 14. And saw Ash true demonic appearance very early on, unlike in DH when he only saw it when he attacked him in a bar after becoming a DH.