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About the Fate stone, SK was asked about why both Dagon and Nick could do it but just confirmed they could and didn't explain further. I'm thinking being closely tied to the Source made it possible since Ash and Katra are Fate gods and are related to it too. I remember reading that Archon was Apollymi's half-brother, which would make him a descendant of the Source too. That would explain why his daughters are the Greek Fates. Do we know anything about how the Charonte were created or if their abilities are in any way tied to the Source? Because Simi touched it too and it would go along nicely with my theory.
And Adam, I have a really bad feeling that Kody's going to be the first love that died, like so many DH's have in their backstories. I mean, a bunch of them had a wife that died tragically and their story is about them finding love again after all this time.
Charlotte wrote: "About the bit regarding Thorn and Cade: Considering that Thorn was reflecting on his struggles with the Malachai army right before he banished Cade to the World Beyond the Veil, I'd say that it was..."Charlotte, I found this in Instinct:
"A part of her essence still exists in Eleos, but the Shala you knew… they destroyed her centuries ago.” - Mennie
I believe this supports your theory that Beth (and later Kody) carries Rubati's essence inside of her, as this seems to indicate it can be done
I'm gonna be pretty pissed reading 14 CON books with Kody as the love interest then suddenly Nicks stuck with another damn Devereaux.I know some people don't like her but im actually really fond of her :D
Me too. All the epic romance with the time-travel and forbidden love stuff would all be for nothing.
Slick wrote: "I'm gonna be pretty pissed reading 14 CON books with Kody as the love interest then suddenly Nicks stuck with another damn Devereaux.
I know some people don't like her but im actually really fond ..."
I didn't like her (Kody) until after Illusion, and I really want her or an alternative version of her to end up with Nick.
I know some people don't like her but im actually really fond ..."
I didn't like her (Kody) until after Illusion, and I really want her or an alternative version of her to end up with Nick.
Yeah Illusion is pretty much where she became interesting, with all the ghost stuff and Nick finally finding out that he killed her and her family in the future (woah, conjugating verb tenses when talking about time-travel is complicated!)
Adam wrote: "Only a God of Fate can handle the Eye, anyone else find it strange that Nick can use it and not burn up and die? We know that CoN is Nicks "only" backstory. Ambrose came to stop Nick from going d..."
To get back to the Inferno/Invision vision:
Adam, what you said about Nick using a human body, and not the Malachai's, made me think of something. In Invision, they were worried that someone was "draining the Malachai out of him". (view spoiler) That could explain the "weak human body" comment in the vision.
Marie wrote: "About the Fate stone, SK was asked about why both Dagon and Nick could do it but just confirmed they could and didn't explain further. I'm thinking being closely tied to the Source made it possible..."But the Malachai cut all ties to the Source. That's why the Sephirii could kill them, Jared said so in Dream Warrior.
Anyone else think its possible that the PTB will cause Kodys birth to be pushed forward because she's an anchor for Nick? Or is it just me?
But Tiamat is the Source and seemed fond of him.I personally think that Monakribos cut off the Malachai bloodline but that Nick reformed that connection due to the introduction of two additional Source God bloodlines to the Malachai one.
PTB? Is that for Powers That Be?
yup it is. Who are the source gods? I get ones Ash, who's the other?
She meant Verlyn and Azura to Nick's bloodline. This is due to the revelation that Nick is descended from Xev and Myone. And Xev is the son of Azura and Verlyn.
Is nick a reincarnated Monakribos ?I can't recall and Is Kody his wife reincarnated?
There are different interpretations because it was never stated outright. I know two theories. All that was said is that Kody was born as Bathymaas' completed whole: the part of her that is Rubati. I think that's reincarnation, but I know of at least one person who thinks this means Kody just inherited Rubati's essence. Beth would have presumbly carried it inside her before then and passed it down to her daughter. The same thing applies to Nick. He's either Monakribos reincarnated, or he and all of his ancestors have carried Monakribos' essence inside them.
Maybe Nick being part Sephiroth pulls him towards Monakribos, who was also part Sephirtoth? Hes also the decendant of 2 primal Gods in Verlyn and Braith/Apollymi. So maybe that does play a part?
3 primal gods. There is Azura too. EDIT: Here's what I think is going on. Sorry for the mini-novel.
Monakribos lost his wife, which killed any ability he had to love. Because of that, none of his descendants were ever able to love either. Bathymaas was made the same way, to balance out his rage and drive for vengeance by being the opposite: cool, uncompromising justice. Neither of them can love until the Source Gods make good on the promise they broke to Monakribos and return what they stole from him: his heart/the ability to love. Cam made good on that promise by arranging Cherise's birth, because meeting her is what returned the ability to love to The Adarian Malachai. And because of that, Bathymaas will later be able to wake up and have her heart returned. Kody is the daughter of Bathymaas-made-whole, which makes her some form of Rubati. And I think Nick is the son of the Malachai-made-whole, which would make him some form of Monakribos. (Jury is still out on reincarnation)
Also, I think it's in Styxx's book that (view spoiler) They know Nick, a Malachai born of the light, has been born, because that's the only way Bathymaas could be made whole. But also that she just woke up. So I think that by (view spoiler) they mean that the son of Malachai-made-whole is born, but not the daughter of Bathymaas-made-whole.
Ok, this is where my mind is at right now on the subject. Thoughts?
Marie wrote: "3 primal gods. There is Azura too. EDIT: Here's what I think is going on. Sorry for the mini-novel.
Monakribos lost his wife, which killed any ability he had to love. Because of that, none of ..."
Makes sense, everything does kinda add up with what you've said Marie
So I asked Sherri if Kody and Nick are reincarnations, or an essence of "them". She totally dodged by saying we find out in a couple books, but then emphasized that Kody is (view spoiler) Not sure of that changes anything for anyone, but I tried ;)
She also said more will be revealed in Dragonsworn about *something with an ez...* she caught herself and fluttered off.. haha I love talking to her, she wants to chat it out but has to be tight lipped, and she is so far ahead she forgets what has been revealed. Any idea what the "ez..could have been az.." word was??
Sorry if this feels random. On a bookish high right now.
BookPusher D wrote: "So I asked Sherri if Kody and Nick are reincarnations, or an essence of "them". She totally dodged by saying we find out in a couple books, but then emphasized that Kody is [spoilers removed] Not ..."
Could it have been "Something with an A(z?)smodea..." ?
That is what I am thinking, but she strained the word and said we will learn more because it comes into play in Dragonsworn, which is why she caught herself since the book isn't out yet. I have to rewatch some of the clipz I took of her Q&A to see if any other info was dropped. but no one asked spoilery questions. I asked one-on-one.
Azura? Nice try anyway though!
BookPusher D wrote: "So I asked Sherri if Kody and Nick are reincarnations, or an essence of "them". She totally dodged by saying we find out in a couple books, but then emphasized that Kody is [spoilers removed] Not ..."
I wonder if she meant that Rubati can't be reborn as something other than a Malachai because that is what she was originally.
Was the ez-thing related to your question about Nick and Kody or were you talking about something different at this point in the conversation?
BookPusher, bless your heart for trying to get an answer about whether or not Nick and Kody are reincarnations! :DAbout the ez-whatever (I'm so technical XD) ... I wonder how SK pronounces "ousia"?
When I first saw the word, I read it as "oo-zee-ah", and that seems to be the most common pronunciation. But a little Google searching has revealed that some people refer to it as "ah-zha" or "oh-zha", and I found one really, really obscure reference that "ousia" might be an alternative form of "esia".
Like, maybe "eh-zha"? Or "eh-zee-ah"?
Here's the reference link, there's some interesting stuff there:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1616/1...
So ... it's a possibility, however slight it might be. But don't quote me on that just yet. XD
And you got to see SK again! Lucky you! :D
(Was there any other info worth sharing? XD)
I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about the ousia/ez-thing Charlotte
Ok Marie, you have me wondering if that is what she ment...? Good point. I did not think about, if she is a reincarnation then she could be Malachai. I just assume/see reincarnation as the soul is the same "person's destiny" but they have new genetics (prob not the right word) so she would just be Greek/Egyptian goddess/Atlantian goddess(?)And Charlotte, you could be right. I also asked her if the DH books are going to jump thousands of yrs due to Kody being born so far in the future, and she said no, and possibly this was when she was talking about what we will see in Dragonsworn. Lol Sorry guys. I usually record my interactions with her, but my storage cut out during q&a. The venue it was at was a little more strict on time this signing, so everything was more rushed than I am used to. I will try again at SDCC.
Keep up all your theories, I look forward to them everyday..lol
I'm seriously gonna flip my shit if they're not together by the end of this series...
I just came across something in The Guardian (edited) that I think might have something to do with an theory I posted earlier on this thread (Jan. 19). I thought the whole flashback/vision with Monakribos and Bathymaas was the creation of a curse that bound the two. The curse of having no heart/no ability to love would have been passed down through each Malachai. The Malachai would have to be cursed so long as Bathymaas was and vice versa, until the gods made good on their promise. Anyway, I was pretty sure that curse was confined to Bathymaas and whatever Malachai there was at the time. Despite Monakribos going on and on about how he was cursing the gods and how none of them would never know love, peace or happiness, I thought Bathymaas was the curse personified. Given how she was adopted by the gods in question, they can't know love until she does because her happiness is their happiness since they're family...Now I think it might have affected others along the Source Gods' family tree, not just Bathymaas (although I still think she has a key role in breaking that curse). In The Guardian (edited), (view spoiler) The choice of words reminds me eerily of Kody's as she said she was the daughter of "Bathymaas-made-whole". Then there is all the hoopla surrounding Bathymaas literally having her heart broken in two.
Seth's book is The Guardian not SONO, just fyi. Tis a good theory though
Adam wrote: "Seth's book is The Guardian not SONO, just fyi. Tis a good theory though"Oups, sorry, I just re-read both one after the other and got confused
That's alright, no harm no foul :) I get shit wrong all the time lol
Adam wrote: "That's alright, no harm no foul :) I get shit wrong all the time lol"The children of Source Gods we know about haven't exactly had the best of luck in the romance department. All that is seems to be changing now, in Nick's lifetime. Do you remember anyone else who thought something along the lines of being "complete" or "whole", or mentioned something about their heart, when they finally found love?
...and I just realised how common that would be, but come on! I'm not ready to give up on this theory even if I'm grasping at straws here!
I don't know Marie, it turned out alright for Ash in the end when he finally found Tory, and when Bethany/Bethymaas was finally reunited with Styxx/Aricles. The same can be said about Seth and Lydia. So the children of Source Gods do find their Happy Ever After eventually. Its just after they've been through some serious shit.
My point is that none of them DID find happy ever after until Nick, the Malachai of the light in the prophecy (and son of the Malachai-made-whole in my theory), was finally born. All of the children of Source Gods that we know about spent the millennias since their birth either alone or losing the ones they loved. If the curse Monakribos created is that Source Gods and their families can never know love until the Malachai gets a heart, then it makes sense for them to only find love in Nick's lifetime.
That sounds reasonable to me Marie. At the least it's a credible theory :)
Of course, if any of their children ever did find love and happy ever after before modern times, I don't think SK would necessarily bother mentioning it at all. Their story would be pretty irrelevant since they would probably be long dead or just living somewhere in peace. They wouldn't necessarily be involved in all the conflicts that are presented in the DH books.
When they went to the future in Invision, nobody knew who Xev was and then I realized Kody didn't either when she first met him. She knew he was the Sarru-Dara and STILL didn't know he was Xevikan. Which is weird since she's supposed to have fought off the Malachai's army, led by Nick, and that would include Xev.
The future seems really messed up haha. Carl said the reason Cyprian is in the past is to 'make sure' he is born. So everything just seems to be a maybe.. Will nicks daughter even exist in the future? I'm not sure if she will, I doubt Nicks going to find a woman fall in love, have a daughter then have his wife die just to make room for Kody.. and seriously it better be kody! Haha
The future Kody remembers isn't the one unfolding now. Nick's changing it with every decision he makes. Mostly because Kody is there, and she wasn't the first time around.Makes perfect sense she wouldn't know Xev, since in the future she lived through, Nick didn't rescue Xev or choose him as one of his generals.
Xev has been the Sarru-Dara for every Malachai since the dawn of time. There's never been another. And since his blood can open the gates of Azmodea and release Azura and Noir, freeing him from that role isn't something I can see Nick ever doing. So Weither we're talking about Kody's future with Evil Nick or the Invision future (which may or may not be the same, that was never answered), I think Xev would be way too valuable to let go. So something will probably happen to him and that hurts my heart :'(
I'm really interested to know which way everyone is leaning on the question of the future and if anyone has any other theories that might explain the versions we've seen. I see three possible explanations (sorry for the long text) :1. SAME FUTURES: We don't know that Kody's future in which she battled an Evil Nick isn't the same future of Invision. Nick in DH and Ambrose in CON both see visions of a Malachai going crazy and conquering the world. Maybe DH-Nick/CON-Ambrose believes it's him only because he doesn't know that Cyprian exists since his son was most likely hidden from him. Maybe next to nobody knew about Cyprian for years and Kody died thinking she'd been battling Nick, when it was really his shapeshifter son all along. In Invision, Nick and Xev could have gone further into the future to a point in time after the truth came out about Cyprian.
2. DIFFERENT FUTURES: Either that or Kody being in the past really did change the future... but SK explained in the Ask the Author section on Goodreads that characters in DH aren't "suddenly remembering the past differently", since all the events of CON were things that had always/already happened. So maybe all of CON is really just Nick living the same life he'd always lived, but different events in his life are getting jumbled and happening out of order. Because we never knew much about Squire Nick in DH to know what was going on in his life. Still, in Illusion, Savitar said timing is everything . So just changing when some things in Nick's life happened could change him as a person... and his future.
3. DIFFERENT WORLDS: Maybe Kody was recruited out of a parallel universe by the Arelim. Ambrose said he'd looked through many worlds to find a way to save his mother, and found one world in which she survived. So there might be an infinite number of parallel universes in which Ambrose lost his mind and conquered the world. Kody could be from any one of those and the Arelim did the same thing Ambrose did. They tried to recreate an outcome in which the Malachai could be defeated by choosing the one warrior in the one world where his army was successfully pushed back.
Anybody else feels like they overdosed on speculations hahaha:p.At this point, I feel that the upcoming book will give us fresh things to mull over.
I personally lean towards two possibilities for Cyprian's conception:
1) Nick was drugged and thus went through the same situation as Jared or 2) maybe Cyprian was moved from his mother to Laguerre's womb.
In respects to Kody I feel that her timeline does no exist anymore even though certain elements could be similar e.g. people or overall events. So, I still think that chances are high that Kody will disappear at the end of the CON series.
Nathan St.Cyr might be Cyprian in disguise.
That is what I've thought of up until now.
@KimmyGorgeousBliss Im not spending 14 years reading about how much Nick and Kody love each other and then have him Marry a Devereaux. I will not stand for it!! HahaYeah that was my thought, Nathan seems pretty creepy and he's creeping on Kody and did i mention there's something creepy about him?
There's so much stuff going on and the dates been pushed way back.. What do we do?
Slick wrote: "@KimmyGorgeousBliss Im not spending 14 years reading about how much Nick and Kody love each other and then have him Marry a Devereaux. I will not stand for it!! HahaYeah that was my thought, Nath..."
We hope SK puts out 2 CoN books for 1-2 years to speed things up a touch. :-P
KimmyGorgeousBliss wrote: "Anybody else feels like they overdosed on speculations hahaha:p..."Oh yeah, my head is about to blow
What will happen to the ghost Kody when she's born? will she stay in the past or will something happen to her because of there being two Kodys? will she go back to her future, back to her order, stay, or just cease to exist?
From what I understand of what Kody has said about it in the books, if she changes the past to the point that she is never killed by the Malachai and recruited by the Arelim, then she goes back to living the life she should have lived. I imagine it might be little like what Ambrose said would happen when he first explained to Nick what would happen to him and the memories of the past if he succeeded or failed. You’ll be totally on your own and I won’t have any memory of ever tampering with the past. Whatever you do will be my final memory and the rest will be gone forever.
You know, we might be overcomplicating things with the multiple futures and worlds and timelines... I found this in Infamous:"It was a bargain made after the Primus Bel um—the first major war of the gods. Both sides were required to put their soldiers down.”
Nick grimaced at what he was sure was a euphemism. “You mean kil them?”
Ambrose nodded. “But the commander of each side was spared. One Malachai. One Sephiroth. They exist in balance and so long as the truce holds, there can be no more than the one.”
Maybe it's as simple as the truce being broken and the gods going back to war, which could free up the Mavromino powers to make a another Malachai for the first time in eons.
We know that CoN is Nicks "only" backstory. Ambrose came to stop Nick from going dark and ending the world, maybe that was fathering Cyprian? Ambrose originally came back to save his mother to stop himself from going dark, which whilst selfish, is understandable.
As for the visions, maybe Nick saw Cyprian killing himself? Cyprian keeps changing his appearance to look like Nick, we know he can do it. And maybe the "weak human body" is because Nick is using his own body and not the Malachai's?
I remember reading something once that Nicks HEA was Tia when he was a human and not a Dark Hunter or the Malachai, but when he became a supernatural being it changed. Is it now Kody? We've all assumed it is but what if its someone else? Because Kody won't be born for ages yet, literally.