Invision (CoN #7)

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Exactly, Shari. =)

(view spoiler)[The only way I can see a total lack of emotion being a balance to rage, is that the two states are completely opposite, with rage being an extreme emotion. So I guess when it comes to the gods, a cold lack of emotion could cancel out rage.

But you have an excellent point about that not making total sense. Not to mention, Set himself said that Bathymaas was given to him. And I also find it extremely interesting that she wasn't supposed to ever know love. But her being a shell of Rubati ... yeah, it would make sense that she's not supposed to know love.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree that the primals screwed up BIG TIME with Monakribos. Just like Savitar said, what was done to their line was W-R-O-N-G. (hide spoiler)]

[BookPusher D]

ok I am dying! Reading this thread and staying clear of the spoilers is so hard!! This groups is an addiction..lol

[Myst]

Rawr, all the library systems I use are meanie pants! 2 didn't order it, and 1 has it in their system, but apparently haven't ordered it.

[Myst]

Hmm, the city my sis is moving to in 2 weeks has a library 5 min down the road...and they have Invision listed as "coming soon".

Must research how many other books they have that are hard to acquire at my regular 3 systems...

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Dang, that sucks, Myst. But I feel your pain .... in my area, there's only 1 library in a 30 mile radius that even carries CON. =(

[K-Gorgeous]

Who do guys think (view spoiler)[Charity's mother is? At first I thought that she might be that daughter of Caleb that Nick adopted because of how here appearance was described. But after Nick saying that she has similar eyes as he does and remembering that Jaden is his great great grandfather I changed my mind. (hide spoiler)]

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

So as I go back through the book, I found some points to ponder:

(view spoiler)[I find it interesting--and odd--that the DH children (Marissa, Val, Annabelle, Drystan, etc.) knew Nick/Ambrose. Because as far as I can tell, the only one he probably would have known in the DH timeline seems to be Marissa. And I'm not so sure that DH Marissa would remember Nick, since she would have been about two when he became a DH. And I'm not sure that he's officially met the other kids in the DH timeline yet.

Maybe it's just me, but I still find it odd that there's been no mention whatsoever of Bas and Theron, Ash's boys. Unless they had died before Kody would have known them. Yet she knew Mia. And there's no mention of her cousin Ambrose, Seth's son.

I guess I just find it odd because it was indicated that Bas, Theron, and younger Ambrose would have been close with Ari.

Also ... don't know if anyone caught this, but toward the end of the book, Nick looked at the Eye again, and he saw his mother's death. Sounds to me like Cherise is indeed going to die violently. =(

Just some things I noticed ... (hide spoiler)]

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

KimmyGorgeousBliss wrote: "Who do guys think [spoilers removed]"

Hmmmm .... (view spoiler)[I really don't remember Caleb having a daughter, I'll have to go back through the last few books on that. As for who Nick's wife might have been ... I'm at a complete loss, since it wasn't anyone he recognized. My thought was maybe Mia, since her father Sin has features similar to Caleb's, but Mia supposedly looks like a dark version of Artemis. And I'm sure that Nick would recognize Artie's face.

In all honesty, I'd say that your guess is as good as mine. (hide spoiler)]

[Misty]

Charlotte wrote: "So as I go back through the book, I found some points to ponder:

(view spoiler)[ I think the kids knew Nick because in that timeline Nick was an ally, not an enemy. So, he was probably present in their lives since the beginning.
As for Ash's boys, if I understood it correctly the future Nick and Xev visited was set after the big battle where Ari and Kody died. And since Kody said that Ash's sons were prisoners or dead at the time of her death, I suppose that's why they weren't mentioned. (hide spoiler)]

[Misty]

I'm finally done with the book :)

I wrote a little review, here is part of that. Copy/pasted because I'm lazy and also because it's time for me to put the kids to sleep :D

Wonderful book, full of revelations, events and cliffhangers.
Mild spoilers ahead but nothing major.

There are lots of parts I love, but the best to me are definitely Monakribos story, the Caleb-Lilliana and Xev-Myone moments and the whole Caleb-Xev-Jaden interaction. I wanted to hug them all, they really clenched my heart.
And a certain part regarding a little trip for Xev and Nick was amazing. I loved every line.

We finally have some answers to some of the big questions and of course we have new questions! The big one naturally regards a certain character whose name starts with C and ends with N. I can't wait to see more of him.

All in all, it certainly feels like a mid-series novel: it resetted lot of things, giving answers and starting everything over again, setting the stage for the next half of the series.

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Charlotte wrote: "So as I go back through the book, I found some points to ponder:

I find it interesting--and odd--that the DH children (Marissa, Val, Annabelle, Drystan, etc.) knew Nick/Ambrose. Because as far as ..."

Well (view spoiler)[ Nick didnt die as they all were growing up so it would make sense that they all knew him. I dont see how they wouldnt know Nick since he knew so many DHs and other beings.

As far as mentioning off the other kids, that would have been way too many ppl to name. I got a bit confused with the few that were mentioned and actually had to go back over the scene again to see who everyone was.

I didnt notice that tidbit. I'll have to go back over that scene to check that out (hide spoiler)]

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Myst wrote: "Rawr, all the library systems I use are meanie pants! 2 didn't order it, and 1 has it in their system, but apparently haven't ordered it."

That really sucks!! They need to get it together immediately

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Misty wrote: "I'm finally done with the book :)

I wrote a little review, here is part of that. Copy/pasted because I'm lazy and also because it's time for me to put the kids to sleep :D

Wonderful book, full of..."

I absolutely loved seeing Jaden with Xev and Caleb.

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Next book I'd like to see the Terror by the Trinity drunk. That would be hilarious lol
I'm sure it would suck for their enemies but it would be entertaining

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

And just realized that Aeron was mentioned in Dragonbane.

[K-Gorgeous]

Shari-amor wrote: "And just realized that Aeron was mentioned in Dragonbane."

Yes and again it comes back to how future timeline is gradually adjusting . With new revelations we saw in this book I wonder
how it is going to affect in the next DH book:).

One question are the changes only visible in DH or also in the were- and dream hunter books?

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

KimmyGorgeousBliss wrote: "One question are the changes only visible in DH or also in the were- and dream hunter books?"

Since the were-hunter and dream-hunter books are part of the DH series, definitely so. The biggest example is in No Mercy (Dev and Samia), where Nick feels his memories shifting. =)

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Yeah Nick's memories are shifting

And both Ash and Arik noticed the timeline was off as well since events in Tory and Geary lives have shifted.

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Shari-amor wrote: "Well [spoiler removed] ..."

(view spoiler)[Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but based on Fear the Darkness and the bonus scenes in Upon The Midnight Clear, I was under the impression that in the DH timeline, Nick wasn't around to see most of those kids once he became a Dark-Hunter. And according to UTMC, Nick stayed away from Marissa because of his blood tie to Stryker.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that the future that Nick and Xev visited, seems to be an altered future. But I could be wrong. (hide spoiler)]

EDIT: (view spoiler)[Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the future shown here, doesn't seem to mesh with the DH timeline. (hide spoiler)]

[Slick]

(view spoiler)[This technically is a prequel... maybe this was the original future.. changed by CON to what the DH timeline currently is..?

Im not even going to guess about the future anymore haha this just through me for a loop. Caleb ad Xev finally made up-ish XD

Nicks wife I was thinking Mia as well.. Reminded him of Caleb could mean Sumerian features? Nicks only seen Artie once or twice as of yet and a flash in the future in the middle of battle it might not have registered..

I felt sorry for Kody when she found out Nick had a kid but seriously Cyprians a goddamn badass.. I cant stress it enough..

Bubba's daddy was a bit of an ass.. Didn't warm up to him..
(hide spoiler)]

How long until Intensity..

[Misty]

Someone pointed out to me that the Kody we know (her physical appearance) is not how she truly is. She's a ghost and her body now is different... her true appearance is shown when Caleb finds out she's Bathymaas daughter in Inferno:

"And then he saw it. Before his eyes, Kody changed from her current pink tee and jeans into the leather armor the women of her mother’s army wore. Her hair was lighter than her mother’s and she was shorter. But the features were the same. Especially the shape of her eyes and lips. The shapely build of her body."

So... (view spoiler)[ maybe that's why Nick didn't recognize her in his last vision? She could still be his wife in the future. (hide spoiler)]

[Slick]

I thought he was talking about herphysical differences from her mother and just that she changed from her clothes into her armor? I swear somewhere she says she has the same appearance except that she was 19 when she died?

(view spoiler)[ So Laguarre huh? Did she seduce Nick, roofie him or steal his son and raise him as her own? (hide spoiler)]

[Misty]

Slick wrote: "I thought he was talking about herphysical differences from her mother and just that she changed from her clothes into her armor? I swear somewhere she says she has the same appearance except that ..."

I thought I remembered that as well, but that description seems to hint that her real appearance shown when she changed for Caleb, I don't know anymore, especially since I don't remember where I read about her being the same appearance of when she was alive.

As for Laguerre (view spoiler)[ it's tricky because a Malachai is supposedly conceived in violence and I can't really see Nick doing something like that. But Nick is half Sephiroth as well, so I don't know it the rule is different for him.
Laguerre could have drugged Nick, just like Azura did with Jaden and he never knew he had a son.
Or she could have changed into Kody.
Or she could have stolen little Cyprian when he was a baby and raised him
Cyprian could have spawned from Nick's blood, just like the second Malachai was born from Monakribos blood.
Or (and this is my favourite) Cyprian is actually from an alternate universe where he killed his father, got his powers and was pulled in this universe. It looks like he's a full Malachai and that shouldn't be possible unless he killed his sire? Then again Nick had powers before killing Adarian, so I really don't know ^^ (hide spoiler)]

[david]

Couldn't there only be one Malachai in the multiverse, just like in the previous book the other nick was a ordinary human so i don't think that alternate time-lines or universe are a possibility,

[Misty]

david wrote: "Couldn't there only be one Malachai in the multiverse, just like in the previous book the other nick was a ordinary human so i don't think that alternate time-lines or universe are a possibility,"


Actually this is something that had me thinking for a while. We were told that there could be just one Malachai in all the universes, right?
But, since it all started with Monakribos and there was an uninterrupted line of Malachai following him, then in no other universe there should be a Malachai. Like, ever.
And yet in Illusion we meet Evil-Thorn who is one of the Malachai generals: how can there be a general if there is no Malachai? If there never was?

Also, In Infamous, Thorn said that: "In order to save you, Ambrose has bent the fabric that none of us are allowed to touch. He has breached this existence and is trying to gain access to the outcome that was achieved in an alternate universe and by another Nick, and make it happen here."

So... if Ambrose is trying to achieve something that another Nick did, that means that in another universe Nick became the Malachai and managed not to destroy the world. So there was another Malachai.
Aaaand we're back at the beginning: can there be more than one Malachai in the alternate universes? Or not?

[Adam]

I really enjoyed the book, it answered a lot of question and left me with a butt load more! But i have a few theories (view spoiler)[ I think Ambrose has been Cyprian all along, as we've seen he can make himself look like him. I think that hes more of a "Nick clone" and not his actual son. I still think that Nicks HEA is Kody, she seems to be the first Malachais Mrs reborn so it only makes sense that those two are destined to be together. I loved the new side of Jaden we saw and that he's made peace with his sons and that Cay and Xev have made peace with each other. im glad that Zavid is alive too :D (hide spoiler)]

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Misty wrote: "david wrote: "Couldn't there only be one Malachai in the multiverse, just like in the previous book the other nick was a ordinary human so i don't think that alternate time-lines or universe are a ..."

I thought the same Misty. I could have sworn that there was only suppose to be one Malachai in the universe but maybe because Amrobse/ Nick will cease to be Malachai and Cyprian becoming Malachai kinda cancels itself out.

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Adam wrote: "I really enjoyed the book, it answered a lot of question and left me with a butt load more! But i have a few theories [spoilers removed]"

(view spoiler)[ I think Cyprian eventually pops up to pretend to Ambrose but not in the beginning since Ambrose popped up with the scar that Nick got when Xenon cut his hand. Another theory, I think that Laguerre adopts Cyprian like Apollymi adopted Stryker. He hates Ambrose and wants to get back at him and become the Malachai. And promises to make Laguerre his general (hide spoiler)]

[Myst]

Bah, went to half price books (not for Invision, but I looked anyways), Invision is only discounted like $3, so $20 down to $17.

On the other hand, I got 2 cross stitch pamphlets that are adorable (one is Winnie the Pooh, the other is baby stuff that would make good bib designs or cards).

Must keep stalking local libraries...

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Slick wrote: "I thought he was talking about herphysical differences from her mother and just that she changed from her clothes into her armor? I swear somewhere she says she has the same appearance except that ..."

Yeah, there's a small blurb in Illusion, just after Kody shows her Arelim form to Karma:
"Kody leaned her head back and allowed her form to return to that of a high school girl. To the face and body that had been hers before the Malachai had killed her." (Kindle, 27%)

Which seems to be in contradiction with the scene from Inferno that Misty pointed out above. Then again (and I could be wrong here), I don't think that Bathymaas and Bethany looked exactly identical to each other. If that's the case, then the question is whether Kody more closely resembled Bethany or Bathymaas, in her lifetime.

(view spoiler)[So I'm not going to rule out the possibility that Kody--or rather, Nyria--was Ambrose's wife, in Nick's vision. But dang, it's hard to tell at this point in time. Need more information! ;) (hide spoiler)]

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Myst wrote: "Bah, went to half price books (not for Invision, but I looked anyways), Invision is only discounted like $3, so $20 down to $17.

On the other hand, I got 2 cross stitch pamphlets that are adorable..."

Well, that sucks about Invision, but those pamphlets sound like they're adorable, Myst. But in the meantime, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you as you continue your hunt. =)

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Adam wrote: "I really enjoyed the book, it answered a lot of question and left me with a butt load more! But i have a few theories [spoilers removed]"

On the first theory, I'm sort of in agreement with Shari. (view spoiler)[I do believe that we truly saw Ambrose in the first few books; the scar on the hand is one indication of such, as well as Sav catching Ambrose using his scrying mirror. But I'm also thinking that perhaps Cyprian was behind the events that couldn't be explained by Ambrose.

Plus, I think that using Cyprian was a backup plan for Grim and Laguerre, since their first two plans didn't go their way.

But it was a good thought, and I thought along the same lines for a little while. =) (hide spoiler)]

As for the rest ... I'm pretty much in agreement there. (view spoiler)[It's definitely possible that Cyprian is a "Nick clone", and it's the theory that I'm leaning toward, at least for the moment. If blood is all that's required for a clone, then Grim and Laguerre would have definitely had access to Nick's blood, from Livia when she tried to kill Nick in Instinct.

But I'm not ruling out the other theories on Cyprian's origins just yet. So far, all seem to be equally plausible.

I'm really hoping that Kody--or rather, Nyria--ends up as Nick's HEA, too. I agree, they do seem destined for each other. =) (hide spoiler)]

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

Charlotte wrote: "Slick wrote: "I thought he was talking about herphysical differences from her mother and just that she changed from her clothes into her armor? I swear somewhere she says she has the same appearanc..."

Gah I just want answers to this lol

And it's so funny because we're not even close to the finish line. 6 books but it's only been 2 years in the timeline since Nick became Malachai. Omg how many more books do we gotta go until it crosses with the DH timeline!? Lol

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

These twists are getting a bit confusing though. Things thst use to make sense, no longer make sense especially with Kody supposing to be Nick's HEA. I mean they are reanimated bonded souls but futures shows different woman. I cant tell if it's Cyprian messing with Nick or SK messing with us.

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

LOL, no kidding! I swear, Invision actually gave me a headache. SK has been downright EVIL with this book! XD

And yeah .... we still have 7 books to go ... I'm really hoping that time passes much more quickly in the rest of the books, since Nick is supposedly 24 in Night Pleasures. Which makes no sense, because he's also supposed to be 24 when he dies in Seize the Night. Unless we're talking about altered timelines ....

... And now I have a headache all over again. XP

[Misty]

Charlotte wrote: " I'm really hoping that time passes much more quickly in the rest of the books, since Nick is supposedly 24 in Night Pleasures. Which makes no sense, because he's also supposed to be 24 when he dies in Seize the Night. Unless we're talking about altered timelines ...."

Ahahah tell me about that. I'm slowly doing a re-read and tryig to do a timeline of events, but nothing adds up. Sometimes there are very definite time markers (the date is mentioned for example), but then you find another time marker that directly collides with the other. It's very confusing!

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

That is very much the truth. It's all so confusing.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure we're actually seeing two different timelines in the entire DH series. Because I'm pretty sure that little Marissa isn't an Apollite. ;)

[Myst]

Misty wrote: "Charlotte wrote: " I'm really hoping that time passes much more quickly in the rest of the books, since Nick is supposedly 24 in Night Pleasures. Which makes no sense, because he's also supposed to..."

Charlotte wrote: "LOL, no kidding! I swear, Invision actually gave me a headache. SK has been downright EVIL with this book! XD

And yeah .... we still have 7 books to go ... I'm really hoping that time passes much ..."

I did a re-read last year and got a pretty decent timeline going, with references as to where I found the information.

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/...

Night Pleasures (paperback)
-Nick is 24 (pg 186)

Night Play (paperback)
-Nick is 26 years old (pg 58)

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Myst, you might want to check out this link ... it's gonna throw a serious monkey wrench in your timeline ...

https://www.goodreads.com/questions/1...

Also, if I recall correctly, someone asked over at the official site how old Nick was when he became a DH, and the answer was 24.

[Myst]

Hey, I'm just pointing out what the books say.

In Night Pleasures, there's no year date, but Nick is said to be 24 [pg 186], and the time frame is November [pg 11]. Amanda and Kyrian get married 7 months later [pg 303] - so June-ish the following year (Amanda is 6 weeks pregnant during the wedding [pg 307], so baby would arrive approx. Feb the following year).
---so if Marissa arrives in 2003, the wedding was June-ish 2002, and Night Pleasure takes place in Nov 2001.

In Night Embrace, Amanda's known Ash for just over a year [pg 354]
-NE, Dance with the Devil, Kiss of the night and Night Play all take place over the same approx time period.

Kiss of the Night is during the same Feb as NE [pg 41] and has Marissa arriving [pg 323].

Night Play is initially set during 2003 Mardi Gras [pg 5], but really starts up 8 months later [pg 18], Marissa is an infant [pg 94] learning to stand [pg 98] (so 7-12 months old?), Nick is 26 [pg 58]

Seize the Night is in Oct [pg 4], StN takes place 3 years after Night Pleasure [pg 23], Nick kills himself [pg 285].

So maybe the age in Night Pleasure is wrong and Nick is 21/22ish there, allowing him to be 24 in StN.

[Slick]

Nick was 24 when he died, SK told me when i asked her she said he is definitely 24. It baffled me too, i think in one book Vane mixed up his age.

[Myst]

Slick, I think the age in Night Pleasure is wrong. If Nick was born in 1982 and was 24 in StN, that means StN has to be set during Oct 2006.

Night Pleasure is (probably) Nov 2001 (see previous post), which means Nick...and I think I just messed myself totally up with abbreviations for Night Play and Night Pleasure.

Ok pg 23 of StN paperback:
"She'd (Tabby) been stunned to learn at her sister's wedding 3 years ago that Nick actually worked for the undead."

Ok, so does this mean Nick was 19/20 in Night Pleasure?

[Myst]

Just pulled Night Pleasure out...these dates do NOT fit at all.

Amanda: "How long have you worked for Kyrian?"
Nick: "Eight years now."
Amanda: "Really, you don't look that old."
Nick: Yea, well, I was barely sixteen when I started."

16 + 8 = 24.

[Shari-amor, Doll Cake]

I'd just quit referencing the book as far as Nick's age because since he was originally suppose to die she probably didnt think about it. Now that he's such an important character in the universe, him being 24 probably worked for her. It was probably one of those things that she could have also got mixed up on herself. It happens. This is a huge universe with so many characters and she has to keep up with so much info. If SK is saying he's 24, I'd just go ahead and leave it at that

[Myst]

I'm wondering if there's a stand in for Nick whose not sure what age he's supposed to be. We know there are timeline issues with Geary/Tory's lives due to (probably) a Malachai...why can't age 24 Nick from Pleasure be a stand in, or Nick from the future...

[Misty]

Ok I'll give you my own version about the timeline. There are two main problems with that: the actual dates that often don't match within the books, and Nick's age.


FIRST PROBLEM: THE ACTUAL DATES

- In Night Embrace Ash said he's 11.551 yo and that he was born in 9548BC. So it should be 2003.

- Based on the script that SK gave for the tv show, Kyrian's wedding was on June 2003. It doesn't match with Night Embrace or Night Pleasures BUT it matches with the date in Styxx, which places Night Embrace in February 2004.

- In Kiss of the Night (which starts along with Night Embrace) it's clearly stated that we're in 2003 while we should be in 2004 based on Styxx, Anyway this matches with Unleash the Night where we are in 2005.

So, which is right? Embrace the Night? Night Pleasures? Styxx? Or Kiss of the Night and Unleash the Night?

Now, let's pretend Kiss of the Night is right because its date actually matches with Unleash the Night.
There are MORE problems:
- In Seize the Night (which starts in October) it's stated that Valerius remembers that he fought the Daimons with Vane more than a year before. Since the fight happened during Night Embrace, we should be in 2004.
- Still, in Seize the Night, Tabitha says she met Acheron on her sister's wedding, three years ago. Since Amanda's wedding was in 2002 according to this specific timeline, we should be in 2005.
- Again, in Seize the Night, Acheron says Dionysus is still angry because of what happened on Mardi Gras with him and Styxx, three years ago. Since that happened in 2003, in this specific timeline, we should then be in 2006!
CONFUSING.


SECOND PROBLEM: NICK'S AGE

Now, let's keep Kiss of the Night timeline, just to have a date, and let's consider Nick's age.

2001
November
Amanda meets Kyrian [Night Pleasures]
Nick should be 24 (he says he started working for Kyrian when he was 16 and that it has been 8 years) [Night Pleasures]


2002
June
Amanda and Kyrian get married [Night Pleasures]


2003
January
Marissa Hunter is born [in Night Embrace, she's 3 weeks old]

End of February
Sunshine and Talon meet [Night Embrace]
Kyrian e Amanda are married since a few months [Night Embrace]
Cherise is 40 yo [Night Embrace]
Vane meets Bride by chance [Night Embrace]
First meeting between Wulf and Cassandra [Kiss of the Night]

[cutting a lot of dates that don't concern Nick at all]

November
It's the month with Cherise's birthday. [Night Play]
Vane and Bride meet again, 8 months later their first meeting in Night Embrace [Night Play]
Nick is 26 yo [it's specifically said in Night Play]


2004 (I based the year on Valerius saying he fought the Daimons with Vane more than a year before)

End of October/Beginning of November
Desiderius, in Ulric's body, kills Tiyana Deveraux and Cherise Gautier [Seize the Night]
Nick kills himself and forces Artemis to make him a Dark-Hunter. [Seize the Night]

So, Nick was 26 in November 2003. It's written down in Night Play. When he died he should be 27 since it was a year later? And yet we were said he was 24.
CONFUSING, THE REVENGE.


Also, I read in that Q&A linked about that it's all approximate. What the character think, what they perceive... "yeah, I think Nick is 26".
Ehm, can I NOT buy it? Can I think that she just screwed up the dates and then tried to patch it up with that excuse? Because when I think about an approximate age I think "I think he's in his mid-twenties." Not "He's 26."

[Myst]

According to Sherri's website, Nick's bday is 12/21/1982.

So Nick started working for Kyrian in 1999 most likely as Dec 1998 he would've just turned 16. (I don't have the first few CON's for dates/times yet, but I don't remember Christmas/New Years being in the first CON.)

So it's completely impossible for him to be 24 in Night Pleasure which takes place approx Nov 2001. He'd be 18 and 11/12ths.

But look at Infinity's blurb...
"At 14, Nick Gautier is an average kid who runs with the wrong crowd. But on the night he decides to go straight and refuses to mug an innocent tourist, his crew turns on him and just as he thinks his life is over… a new one begins."

So If Nick's been working for Kyrian since he was *14* (or 1997), he's still only been working for Kyrian for 4.5ish years when he meets Amanda.

And that's why I think a time jumper Nick (or replacement Nick) might've been there. It's physically impossible for (a normal human) Nick to be 24 in Night Pleasure. The timeline for Nick's bday vs. death month isn't totally accurate (Dec vs Oct), but that's pretty close, he was 23 and 5/6ths.

[Charlotte, Cheesy Cakes]

Myst, you've hit the nail on the head there, thinking about a time jumper. There are clearly at least two different timelines in play in both DH and CON (possibly three timelines).

From what I understand, many readers have asked SK about the timeline inconsistencies throughout the series, and she states each time, that it will eventually all come together and make perfect sense. So I'll take her word for it, no matter how hard I might want to beat my head against the wall from trying to make sense of everything in the meantime. ;)

And for what it's worth, I was originally convinced myself, that Nick was originally 26 when he became a Dark-Hunter.

[Misty]

Well, I honestly can't believe she had EVERYTHING planned out since Night Pleasures, especially since she stated that originally Nick was going to die. He wasn't going to be the Malachai.
So no, I can't believe that every inconsistency in the timeline was carefully planned since the beginning. There are dates that clearly collide with each other and until the series is over and we read all the books, I'm going to pull a Saint Thomas and "not believe it until I see it" :P

[Katelyn]

I both love and hate spoilers.

I love spoilers when I have a question that I need answered right now....and can't be bothered to wait to read the book to get the answer.

And I hate spoilers if it's something that never really bothered me to know.

Some things are great as a surprise. Other things....especially if my gut instinct is running strong; and I have a strong feeling about what it is....well I'd rather just remove the anticipation; because 99% of the time...I'm right.