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Invision (CoN #7)
Okay answer me right now are Valerius and Tabitha mentioned in the book even once?>
Tabby is Kat!! Val wasn't even in New Orleans at this time i don't think.I have no idea about the Timeline haha i gave that up long ago. It's being tampered with by several different people and is basically corrupted, i wouldn't trust it too much as is never mind once the series picks up. I asked Sherry these same points once and she said Nick was definitely 24 when he died, so im saying 24 :P
Tabby does make an appearance in the book. =)More importantly, so do her children. =)
Unfortunately, Valerius does not make an appearance. He is merely hinted at.
Yay, I've found a library where you can have free membership which also has Invision! I'm hold 2/2 and unsure how many copies the library has, but I may be able to get Invision this month!
Kat♐♐Fan of Styxx,Sav,Ash, Jaden♐♐ wrote: "I'm reading the spoilers and YASSSSH it's making me more excited to read the book...because I'm still thinking okay: 1) How on earth does it all work for those spoilers to be true!?
2) What sort..."
I will teel you the part about Bubba's dad since it appears in the latest exeprt prior to the book release (view spoiler)
Ah thanks Kimmy. Also Charlotte when you say Tabitha's children please tell me you mean Valerian and Annabelle and not a different timline where Tabitha married Eric or something.
Myst wrote: "Yay, I've found a library where you can have free membership which also has Invision! I'm hold 2/2 and unsure how many copies the library has, but I may be able to get Invision this month!"Hold 2/2 dang I'm hold 32 lol.
Apparently I've been reading the reviews for invision and some people aren't too happy about a number of things:1) They're not happy about everybody being related to everybody. They think it's getting beyond ridiculous.
2) They're not happy about the confusing timelines and memories
3) They hate having to write post it notes of the different pantheons and their family members, and how in the heck it all connects.
4) They don't like how huge spoilers were just dropped in there and glossed over, as if it was no big deal.
Has anyone noticed all the inconsistencies with age is only happening to Nick? No one can really remember his age at all, I think this is all being caused by the time line being changed.
Honestly the time line change is too confusing.
I know Kat! its mind numbing!
Kat♐♐Fan of Styxx,Sav,Ash, Jaden♐♐ wrote: "Apparently I've been reading the reviews for invision and some people aren't too happy about a number of things:1) They're not happy about everybody being related to everybody. They think it's ge..."
Yup, I agree with all the mentioned flaws. I don't mind the confusing timeline and memories as long as it's explained, but right now it's just that... confusing. I have the bad feeling we'll have to wait to have the final book in both series to finally be able to understand exactly what happened.
And on the subject of post it notes... I actually have a whole file dedicated to the DH unverse, where I write down everything. it's the reason it took me two days to read Invision, while usually I would inhale a book that short in around 10 hours.
It's starting to feel like I'm preparing for an exam lol.
Holy. Freakin'. Cow. I knew everything would change with this one, but I didn't realize the everything was literally EVERYTHING. Oh my gosh.I haven't had time to read every single post in the thread, but I think I've got the gist of it, and I've got something to add about the timeline issues, which I don't view as issues at all.
Timeline: (view spoiler)
And now for Jaden. (view spoiler)
Monakribos: (view spoiler)
Styxx: (view spoiler)
I think that's it for now. I have to get ready for work, and I'm going to see Civil War tonight.
Enjoy Civil War, Rachel. It's awesome!!!
And I definitely agree with your assessment of the timeline.
Rachel wrote: "Holy. Freakin'. Cow. I knew everything would change with this one, but I didn't realize the everything was literally EVERYTHING. Oh my gosh.I haven't had time to read every single post in the thr..."
Totally agree with your opinion abou the timeline. Kody's future doesn't exist anymore which makes me wonder what is going to happen to her mhhhh???
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Kat♐♐Fan of Styxx,Sav,Ash, Jaden♐♐ wrote: "Ah thanks Kimmy. Also Charlotte when you say Tabitha's children please tell me you mean Valerian and Annabelle and not a different timline where Tabitha married Eric or something."Yes, it was Valerian and Annabelle. Val actually appears, and Annabelle is mentioned. =)
Okay, so ... it's been a week since Invision was released, so I'm going to say that it's okay to drop the spoiler tags. =)Those of you who haven't read Invision yet, read this post and all following posts at your own risk. ;)
I do agree that Nick managed to change the timeline when he picked his new generals. So now what remains to be seen is how it will meet up with the DH timeline. And Kody's timeline apparently no longer exists.
Or does it?
Going back to Illusion, when Kody remembers the Arelim recruiting her and they show her what happens after she dies, I find it interesting that it's never specified by the Arelim which Malachai is destroying the world. They either use "the Malachai" or "that animal".
Now let's suppose that it really was Nick that was killed in that vision, the one where Kody insists that it was her brother. What if the Arelim had somehow tampered with her memory of that scene--which appears to be a lynchpin event (or pith point) so that she would be inclined to hunt and kill the Malachai?
That's just a possibility that's floating around in my head, no clue how plausible it is. XD
Well, it appears that Kody is Nick's weakness so it makes sense that the Arelim sent her back to kill him (and modified her memory so that she would want to kill him).Maybe they sent her because she was the only weakness that ever surfaced for a Malachai. Maybe they wouldn't know how to kill Cyprian, so they tried to kill his father instead. After all it doesn't matter if Nick was good and fought on the right side, he was still the reason Cyprian was born.
Interesting, Charlotte. Has merit.We also need to remember Kody is a ghost, and we don't know what Sherri's ghost rules are in CON. It's quite possible that she's now trapped in the changed time-stream. Unless, of course, Charlotte's theory is true and the way she remembers things going down isn't at all what really happened and Nick's new vision is what really happened.
You bring up an excellent point there, too, Rachel. Kody being trapped in the changing time-stream is another possibility, especially considering that she's now an Arel. From what I understand about the Arelim (someone asked Carl about this either on FB or the official site), they don't view time the same way we do, so I can see how Kody would be capable of existing outside of her own (no longer existing or relevant) timeline.
So I'm considering this a plausible theory, too. =)
Charlotte wrote: "Okay, so ... it's been a week since Invision was released, so I'm going to say that it's okay to drop the spoiler tags. =)Those of you who haven't read Invision yet, read this post and all follow..."
I think this makes a lot of sense. Here's some more food for thought though, Nick and Cyprian seem to be alive at the same time. If we use the battle Kody remembers as reference and it was Nick and not her brother, then we have 2 Malachais in existence, with the Father surviving longer then the Sons 10th birthday. What do you guys think?
I don't remember how Nick and Adarian's cohexistance was explained. It's because Nick is half Sephiroth?Maybe the same is true with Nick and Cyprian.
I'm not sure about Nick and Cyprian but I thought that Adarian and Nick coexisted fine because Mennie blocked Nick's powers. He didnt come into power like most Malachai did because his were tampered with but as soon as they were unlocked, Adarian immediately started to lose power. Nick was getting stronger slowly enough so he couldn't learn how to use those powers and Adarian could steal them to become even more powerful
I would agree but in the original time line, Nicks powers were bound and Adarian still died when he was 10
That's true.*scratches head* what happened to make Nick and Adarian cohexist this time?
I haven't got a clue! lol but Adarian lived for like 4 years longer then he should have done, and having just finished my reread of Styxx, Ash and Arik both talk about the time line being tampered with in the epilogue
Rachel wrote: "Holy. Freakin'. Cow. I knew everything would change with this one, but I didn't realize the everything was literally EVERYTHING. Oh my gosh.I haven't had time to read every single post in the thr..."
I appreciate the Dark Hunter fans who possess a keen insight into the confusing parts of the books.
Rachel you definitely fall under that category.
Kat♐♐Fan of Styxx,Sav,Ash, Jaden♐♐ wrote: "Apparently I've been reading the reviews for invision and some people aren't too happy about a number of things:1) They're not happy about everybody being related to everybody. They think it's ge..."
I agree with all of the above. I think it's gotten way convoluted. The info is interesting but I have to wonder, what is she going to do when she gets to these points in the DH books. A lot of the adult DH readers may not have read the CON books so they will be left wondering about all this info. Unless she repeats it in the DH books.
Well, counting how many times we were told about Kyrian's past in the CoN books, I suppose we'll read about all that happened in CoN in the DH books.
I just finished the CON series so I can read the newest one and have some info, to be honest I'm not a YA fan but after reading what everyone was talking about in this group I got really confused coz there were a lot of info missing in the DH and a lot of characters were not mentioned in the DH series so it was a fun read and very informative , don't get me wrong it confused the hell out of me even more but at least I know now who are the primal gods and a lot of other information but I still think SK should give us these info in the DH series as well coz she always says we don't need to read CON and it won't affect the series but there were a lot of stuff became clearer to me after reading the YA series the same as in Lords of Avalon I also read it to make sense of the last two books in DH,
and after all that it still a confusing world but well more books more fun I think :)
Lulu wrote: "I just finished the CON series so I can read the newest one and have some info, to be honest I'm not a YA fan but after reading what everyone was talking about in this group I got really confused c..."Actually, a surprising amount of the info is in the DH books, most of it in the form of hints. I'll admit though, that some of the hints are very subtle. But I also imagine that more of the info we see in CON will be showing up in the DH world before too long ... ;)
But you're right, it does help to read the spinoffs, CON and LOA. =)
I've gone back through all of the CON books after the reveal in the Epilogue and I think (view spoiler)
Finished this much earlier this morning. And my mind has been completely blown apart once again!Family ties are driving me bonkers. Will agree with you Misty about just being told. But I think SK is doing that to spare time/additional words to explain things. After all give Nick the powers of all knowing about everybody, saves time on some level.
Major awww to all the babies of peeps we know in some version of the future. I am mad desperate to know about who Simi's baby daddy is and who the hell is Nick's baby mama!!! Damn where is a Maury Povich character up in here ASAP!
As for everything else I'm just chalking it up to this. In some reality Nick and Kody or Nyria whatever her name is. Are meant to be together. Their fates are tied up like Styxx and her mom. So regardless of who and what time Kode comes back in, she will always find NIck. Which means if I don't like this version, can always hit reset and will get another version I like down the road, woot!
Everything else, all I can say is nobody should be trusted! And oh yea, I'm pro Caleb doing an at home vasectomy on Nick. Cause the less you breed in this world, the more likely you won't be related to half your enemies. Just saying.
LOL at the vasectomy. It would solve lots of problems... but then, they would use the blood. I vote to take away all the blood as well and make him a... uhm, dry corpse? :P
Lol Cherale
Misty wrote: "LOL at the vasectomy. It would solve lots of problems... but then, they would use the blood. I vote to take away all the blood as well and make him a... uhm, dry corpse? :P"Then they probably would take some skin cells or something too. Gah, man does it suck to be the Malachai in more ways than one.
ROFL about the vasectomy! XDIn all honesty, though, I'm thinking that it's very, very plausible that blood was taken to create our newest Malachai.
I agree, it sucks to be the Malachai.
Charlotte wrote: "ROFL about the vasectomy! XDIn all honesty, though, I'm thinking that it's very, very plausible that blood was taken to create our newest Malachai.
I agree, it sucks to be the Malachai."
Or could be the case of how it was with Wulf and Cassandra. Laggy girl came to Nick in a dream. Since he knows he can't get it on in the real world. Why not go into his dreams in the guise of Kody and do the do and snatch a little "specimen" for the evil cause.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Or could be the case of how it was with Wulf and Cassandra. Laggy girl came to Nick in a dream. Since he knows he can't get it on in the real world. Why not go into his dreams in the guise of Kody and do the do and snatch a little "specimen" for the evil cause."Oh yeah, that's very, very plausible too. Or the idea that the kid was snatched from the future. Actually, at this point in time, I'd say that anything's possible.
Got that right. Especially when the dark side is involved, as all stops seems to be pulled out for them. Everybody else has to follow the rules but the bad guys? Oh yea, they typically have the upper hand.
Finally got a copy of Invision. Haven't had time to read it. My sis just finished moving and she is *the* worst mover ever...too much stuff and is trying to constantly carry on a convo with the movers which is likely a distraction to them (and wastes time when you ask them to guess where a photo was taken).Today was put car and my home back in order, and rest as much as possible.
Rest up and enjoy the reading as you go along Myst. It's a doozie as always.
Looking at family tree stuff from Invision after (finally) finishing it.Tiamet + Chronus = Jaden (and probably Cam, Rezar, Braith, Azura, and Noir)
Braith + Kissare? = Monakribos (pg 245, not positive he's the dad, but it sounds like it)
Monakribos's blood forms malachai 2 = Jeros
Jeros + ??? = Evander
>>>generations of malachai's<<<
??? + ??? = Adarian
Adarian + Cherise = Nick
Jaden + ? = Caleb
Jaden + Azura = Xev
-Xev + Myone (demoness) = Jared
--Jared + Human female = Cherise
---Cherise + Adarian = Nick
----Nick + ??? = (potentially) Charity
----Nick + ??? = (potentially) Cyperian
I thought the Sephiroth was 'good', but they're born of demons and/or gods?
Could've sworn I had Caleb's mom noted somewhere...checking my paper trees and I just noticed this...
Stryker + Zephyra = Medea
Medea + Evander = Praxis
Evander isn't that common of a name (that I've seen/heard)...and Medea's going to be in a book in the next few years...coincidence?
Xev also has other brothers (pg 198), so who (and/or what) has Azura been procreating with?
And we also learn Noir went by another name at one point...Kadar (pg 305) So Azura right now appears to be the only one we haven't found another name for...yet!
Lagurre I thought was Cyperian's mom. As he called her that when they were standing on top of the building at the end there.And would seem that the Sephrioth are part of the side of Order/Chronus's side of things. So in a way would make sense that they come from the same source that makes the Malachai too in a way. After all Tiamet is the balance to that order and is the one that makes Chaos for all game plans.
He *called* her mom, but look at Urian, he called Stryker dad/father for hundreds of years and wasn't actually a blood son. Or how about Styxx calling Apollymi in the future vision Matera? He's not her blood child either.I'm holding off on Cyperian's maternal blood, since we don't know that A) he actually *will* exist with all the changes going on B) who the biological mother is for sure.
Well I think over time with Styxx and Ash sharing a face. And given how often he might have come to see her over the years. She softened towards him. But I'm sure she'd still knock him out the way if Ash ever came down to play "let's end the world OUR way". :DToo true. And being Gods and other special little entities that they are. I still say who knows who crawled up in Nick's dreams and had a baby with him a la Cassandra and Wulf's way.
1) How on earth does it all work for those spoilers to be true!?
2) What sort of situations have to happen in order to lead up to those spoilers. I mean because those spoilers I'm reading from y'all are intense.....like Bubba (view spoiler)[Okay so his dad's a hellchaser. (hide spoiler)] Okay hold up hold up....what sort of situation would Nick have to be thrown into.....for that kind of spoiler to even be revealed. Did Bubba's dad just pop in the front door and say (view spoiler)[Yo I'm Bubba's dad. A hell chaser (hide spoiler)]
It's that sort of stuff that makes me thrive on spoilers.
And three anticipation kills my enjoyment. I find myself wanting to skip the not so exciting pages, just to get to the point...and then I find myself feeling guilty for skipping. So spoilers take away my anticipation and help me just enjoy the book.
Can't wait!