The House of Hades
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Am I the only one who hates Annabeth?
I think one of Annabeth's problems is that she overestimates her own abilities and underestimates others. So what I mean is she would call someone stupid just because that guy/gal is a child of Ares or Dionysus, even if she just met that person.
She also keeps on thinking that children of Athena are the only smart demigods, when children of Hermes, Apollo, Hephaestus, among others can be smart.
I also hate how in the PJO series she criticizes Percy for being stupid when she is the one who still had feelings for Luke, the traitor, even going so far as lifting the sky for him and still believing he could become good again.
I know it's not because of her past with Luke as Thalia had an ever longer past with Luke and yet she (Thalia) accepted that he was evil and threw him down a cliff.
To sum it up, she can be hypocritical and sometimes illogical (despite her being a daughter of Athena).
Overall, I like Annabeth.
I'm fine with Annabeth as a person/character, but it seems like she's made out to be more than she is sometimes.I dislike how she is rude and wants to be so independent that she denies other people's help when she actually needs it.
Also, I feel like Riordan made her the star of the Mark of Athena just because she was loved by the fans. The problem is that she was never and isn't the main character of the series. I don't like how she suddenly became so important because of readers who liked her. What characters do in a book shouldn't be determined by how much they are liked.
Nope, you're definitely not the only one! I fully hate Annabeth as well. I don't think she's a very good match for Percy. I'm not sure why Rick put them together in the first place - their pairing is terrible. Percy is all about helping his friends - it's even one of his fatal flaws, whereas Annabeth is very selfish and competitive - her fatal flaw is deadly pride, and she always HAS to be better than everyone. She's also much too protective of Percy. She automatically hates Rachel, even when she flew a helicopter into the Battle of Manhattan just to help out. At one point in "The Mark of Athena", when Frank, Percy, and the others come back, Frank comes in to tell Annabeth and Hazel that they're back, she instantly asks, "Where's Percy?", not even bothering to check if Frank was OK or not. That section made me so terribly mad at one point, I almost thought of ripping the page out of the book! But of course, she's just a fictional character, no matter how horribly irritating she is. She's far too obsessed with Percy, and doesn't care about anyone else but Percy and "the future they could have together". Even in the Son of Neptune, Percy wasn't as obsessed with Annabeth as she was with him. Honestly Rick? You could have wiped out the memory of Annabeth too. She's undeniably and unbelievably selfish - it almost makes me sick to my stomach. I also think Percy deserves someone more powerful than Annabeth, perhaps another child of "the Big Three", or atleast someone with a special power(s) to compliment Percy's own powers. Annabeth's only weapon is her brain, and with her egocentrism and selfish, vain personality, there's not much room for anything else. Not only do I hate her because she doesn't deserve Percy, but I also hate her because she seems like an horrid person in general. In the Battle of the Labryinth, she puts everyone in danger by saying the Sphinx "insulted her knowledge" just because she was "a child of Athena". And quite frankly, she's now made me hate Athena, and the entire Cabin 6. She walks around thinking she's better than everyone, even though she's clearly not. She can't stand the fact that anyone could be better than her, and takes way to quickly to judge. She hates Jason, and at the very best, doesn't "trust" him, because of his leaderships skills, confidence, good looks, and loyalty. Wow. Nice going Bananabreath. (Bananabreath is the nickname my younger sister and I made up for Annabeth, because we both happen to hate her). She hated Jason, Piper, and Leo, just because she was expecting to find Percy and didn't. She seems to think Percy is a dog that she can just train to obey her and make him follow her around. In their relationship, Annabeth seems to be the one doing all the controlling, and Percy is just the lapdog. Their relationship just seems so unreal - especially in the House of Hades. I mean, sure, Percy fell into Tartarus for her, but I'm really not sure Annabeth would do the same. It would probably somehow be an "insult to her knowledge", because she's a "child of Athena". Yes Bananabreath, we get it. You remind yourself of that every 2 seconds, which to me, only seems like an excuse for her to be even more selfish, vain, uncaring, and egomaniacal. In the Staff of Serapis, she's jealous of Sadie Kane, because Sadie is more powerful than Bananabreath will ever be, and can cast hieroglyphic spells and perform magic. At one point, she puts the mission in danger, because she thinks that by destroying the section that represents the future, she'll destroy her "future with Percy". Sadie had already used up most of her magic to defeat Serapis and created a magical force field around Annabeth, and once again, risks her live to distract Serapis, and yet, old Bananabreath here hesitates to destroy the monster. Brilliant. I've never liked her, and never will like her, unless Rick somehow kills her off. (That would be an early Christmas present for me!). Well, I suppose every series has to have that one hideously horrible character with the terrible personality. I know a lot of this may sound especially harsh, especially to people who like old Bananabreath, but keep in mind please, that this is all just my opinion!
And honestly, to the people who are saying that hating Annabeth is like hating the series, that's definitely not true! I happen to love Percy Jackson & the Olympians, as well as The Heroes of Olympus. I just hate Annabeth. I understand that's she's a very important part of the book, I just hate her, and always will. That doesn't mean that I don't love the story or the other characters. Yes, I get that she's a big part of the story, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it! In the beggining, I hated the story because I hated Annabeth, but in fact, in my mind, I replaced Annabeth with another character which I happen to be fond of, and I re-read the books, and ended up loving the story! Just because we hate one character, doesn't make us any less a fan of Percy Jackson. It simply means that we look past the characters that we hate, and grow to love the story as well as the other characters! To this day, whenever I re-read the books, I always replace Annabeth with another character I like. And the story progresses.
And honestly, I really think Percabeth is way to overrated
SnowQueen wrote: "Nope, you're definitely not the only one! I fully hate Annabeth as well. I don't think she's a very good match for Percy. I'm not sure why Rick put them together in the first place - their pairing ..."I'm crying tears of joy after reading that. THANK YOU :')
Annabeth isn't a character, she's a stepping stone.
1. She only exists to be the politically correct stereotypical epitome of "girl power."
(I'm sure Rick Riordan worked really hard to rethink Astrid from How To Train Your Dragon).
2. Everyone is far too easily impressed with her, often going out of character to be so. Can we say Mary Sue?
3. SHE is otherwise only used to compliment the other characters overly conveniently.
"Why don't you brush your hair once in a while?" AKA "Let me pat you on the back for being weird and funny at every given opportunity and we'll pretend that it's a compliment saying that girls are more sensible even though we all know it's really about how funny and awesome everyone else is."
"But she's a good character because she's smart!"
VIRTUES DON'T MAKE GOOD CHARACTERS.
Honest portrayal of virtues and flaws make good characters. Annabeth is a contrived cardboard cut out. Simon from the chipmunks has more depth!
1. She only exists to be the politically correct stereotypical epitome of "girl power."
(I'm sure Rick Riordan worked really hard to rethink Astrid from How To Train Your Dragon).
2. Everyone is far too easily impressed with her, often going out of character to be so. Can we say Mary Sue?
3. SHE is otherwise only used to compliment the other characters overly conveniently.
"Why don't you brush your hair once in a while?" AKA "Let me pat you on the back for being weird and funny at every given opportunity and we'll pretend that it's a compliment saying that girls are more sensible even though we all know it's really about how funny and awesome everyone else is."
"But she's a good character because she's smart!"
VIRTUES DON'T MAKE GOOD CHARACTERS.
Honest portrayal of virtues and flaws make good characters. Annabeth is a contrived cardboard cut out. Simon from the chipmunks has more depth!
Brown wrote: "Annabeth isn't a character, she's a stepping stone.
1. She only exists to be the politically correct stereotypical epitome of "girl power."
(I'm sure Rick Riordan worked really hard to rethink A..."
AGREED!!!
1. She only exists to be the politically correct stereotypical epitome of "girl power."
(I'm sure Rick Riordan worked really hard to rethink A..."
AGREED!!!
I feel as if Annabeth is a little bossy, but you can't help and look at her childhood. I think she doesn't want to follow anyone around anymore so she just tries to act like the boss.
Also, the only reason she hated Tyson was because she had had a bad run in with a cyclops before. That's it. Afterward, she loved him to pieces and warmed up to him a lot.
I don't think she hated Rachel. I think she was just plain out jealous. I think that maybe she thought less of herself when Percy was spending a lot of time with her. I mean come on. You can't say that you wouldn't be jealous if your boyfriend was hanging out with this girl all the time?
And all you Annabeth haters have to admit that Annabeth had some moments where she just AWESOME. Like where she faced off the spider! C'MON PEOPLE! You can't say that wasn't cool!!!
Also, the only reason she hated Tyson was because she had had a bad run in with a cyclops before. That's it. Afterward, she loved him to pieces and warmed up to him a lot.
I don't think she hated Rachel. I think she was just plain out jealous. I think that maybe she thought less of herself when Percy was spending a lot of time with her. I mean come on. You can't say that you wouldn't be jealous if your boyfriend was hanging out with this girl all the time?
And all you Annabeth haters have to admit that Annabeth had some moments where she just AWESOME. Like where she faced off the spider! C'MON PEOPLE! You can't say that wasn't cool!!!
I loved Annabeth in the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series but I really didn't think she was done justice in the Heroes of Olympus and I HATED reading from her point of view. My favorite thing about Annabeth in the first series was that she seemed so mysterious to Percy and you couldn't always figure her out, but once you read from her perspective all of that is gone, and honestly in the second series I felt that Piper was what Annabeth should have been and I began to get really annoyed with Annabeth.
Autbenj1 wrote: "I loved Annabeth in the Percy Jackson and the Olympians series but I really didn't think she was done justice in the Heroes of Olympus and I HATED reading from her point of view. My favorite thing ..."
I will totally agree with you. I hated reading from Annabeth's point of view. It was just not very active. At all
I will totally agree with you. I hated reading from Annabeth's point of view. It was just not very active. At all
I hated reading from her point of view and Percy's in HoH, because the romance was awful.
Apparently being "in a relationship" means two people worship each other every second.
Honestly, they should've just acted exactly the same as before. All he did was tack on a bunch of mushy unnecessary crap. That's not even what being in love is about. He just downgraded the way they interacted.
Apparently being "in a relationship" means two people worship each other every second.
Honestly, they should've just acted exactly the same as before. All he did was tack on a bunch of mushy unnecessary crap. That's not even what being in love is about. He just downgraded the way they interacted.
I do love though how they fell into Tartarus holding each other
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love fest
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<3
love fest
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Mgh101 wrote: "I feel as if Annabeth is a little bossy, but you can't help and look at her childhood. I think she doesn't want to follow anyone around anymore so she just tries to act like the boss.Also, the onl..."
I agree with you. I don't outright hate Annabeth but she annoys me from time to time. I know she's smart and her childhood was less than stellar, but then again so were the other demigods. And she does remind me of Astrid in the Gone series and Percy is like Sam too. Annabeth is selfish but she knows that. The thing with her being "obsessed" with Percy might have to do with the fact that she's never really had anyone that hasn't been ripped out of her life, so for her to find someone who likes her and doesn't leave made her that overprotective. And she's braver than most people give her credit for. Remember that she had to hold the sky after Luke tricked her and she was 14 at the time.
Yes yes that is so true. I totally can relate!
Prajakta wrote: "if you have read tat Athena-Annabeth-Archane story carefully, you will also feel little sorry for Archane. Athena and Annabeth have too much proud. Fine some1 is challenging you and boasting you. j..."In annabeths PoV she herself had said that she felt a little sorry for Arachne. She said both of there flaws were hubris
Thamaya wrote: "Prajakta wrote: "if you have read tat Athena-Annabeth-Archane story carefully, you will also feel little sorry for Archane. Athena and Annabeth have too much proud. Fine some1 is challenging you an..."
VERY TRUE
VERY TRUE
We're discussing Annabeth's moral character instead of her literary character. They are completely different.
Well could you explain her literary character?
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I just mean that it doesn't matter whether she's brave or smart or loyal. Virtues aren't what make good characters, they're what make good people. It's not about who was the most sweet and humble. It's about the experience they gave the reader.
Especially when it comes to "strong females" it seems like a lot of people get concerned about the wrong issues. We need to stop thinking of characters that way.
Especially when it comes to "strong females" it seems like a lot of people get concerned about the wrong issues. We need to stop thinking of characters that way.
Omg.. that makes a TON of sense!!!!
So that leads us to the question, what kind of experience did Annabeth give us? Did we learn from her faults and shortcomings or were they ignored or glorified? Was she portrayed fairly, in a way that is honest to the readers?
I think these are questions we should ask regardless of the character's personality, if we want to judge whether they were a good character or not.
If a character is supposed to look cool for being selfish or wimpy, that is a bad character, but not because they were selfish, if that makes sense.
A selfish character who is not supposed to be looked up to is a good character, like Ebeneezer Scrooge, for example.
I think these are questions we should ask regardless of the character's personality, if we want to judge whether they were a good character or not.
If a character is supposed to look cool for being selfish or wimpy, that is a bad character, but not because they were selfish, if that makes sense.
A selfish character who is not supposed to be looked up to is a good character, like Ebeneezer Scrooge, for example.
I think the author was a bit biased when he wrote about Annabeth, and made people easily impressed with her, possibly because he wanted too much to make her a "strong female."
That's the kind of portrayal that ruins a character whether or not they have virtue (when they make the world conform to their image). Annabeth was not the worst in this sense, but it did seem somewhat biased, in my opinion.
That's the kind of portrayal that ruins a character whether or not they have virtue (when they make the world conform to their image). Annabeth was not the worst in this sense, but it did seem somewhat biased, in my opinion.
I actually liked annabeth more in the Percy Jackson series than the heroes of Olympus she changed a bit
Prajakta wrote: "i don't hate her but I don't think if she was real could have even stand her! she is little hypocrite. Tyson who is damn innocent, but she wanted to judge him in 1st look and gave harsh opinion. Bu..."So true
All good comments I see. In a way she's a lot like Reyna, except where Reyna is cool and calculated and holds herself in a regal way, Annabeth doesn't do that. She's very smart and that makes her seem confident, too confident at times. Reyna seems like she's trying to hide her abilities, even though you could easily guess how strong she is. Annabeth is the kind of girl that's smart and athletic and EVERYBODY knows
In my opinion, you are some of the only people that hates Annabeth. So, I won't burden you by writing a long letter that I usually do. At least I won't at the moment. I probably will later.But for all of you Annabeth haters, I have some advice for you, which will help you not have to meet more Annabeth lovers like me. Go crawl in a hole and die.
Sincerly,
ihearthawaii
ihearthawaii wrote: "In my opinion, you are some of the only people that hates Annabeth. So, I won't burden you by writing a long letter that I usually do. At least I won't at the moment. I probably will later.But fo..."
Why are you here?? Literally this is the third time I'm seeing you, crawling around. What did I do to deserve this!!!!!!!!!
Annabeth just goes crazy about her boyfriend in HoO. What's so wrong about that? She says that she has had a crush on Percy for the longest time. What if you had a crush and than got them to be your boyfriend/girlfriend what would you do????
What would you do if you had a boyfriend like percy? or a girlfriend (dont get mad at me) lie percy? (charateristic like
Hm... I would probably do the same thing as Annabeth. Get onto him all the time but still love him.
see all these people are hating her for being over protective when her over protectiveness probably saved percy many times
I was never hatin... I was just curious to see what other peeps said.
some people just dont understand the smart people
Annabeth and Percy act different and "cute" when they're boyfriend and girlfriend. It's annoying. Their relationship got downgraded, not improved.
I hate when people think being in love is about acting cute.
I hate when people think being in love is about acting cute.
its about caring for your partner and "about being in love and spreading love" -piper
Parzival wrote: "its about caring for your partner and "about being in love and spreading love" -piper"You did NOT just quote Piper Mclean. Let's hear about her and how she handled her boyfriend.......
Hey they are still together believe it or not and yes i did
That means nothing because you are using "spreading love" as a definition of being in love, so you're defining it by saying it's itself?
Because Rick Riordan's characters never really do anything meaningful when they're "in love" except act more sappy than usual. I really don't think that's love or "spreading love" it's just dumb.
Because Rick Riordan's characters never really do anything meaningful when they're "in love" except act more sappy than usual. I really don't think that's love or "spreading love" it's just dumb.
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