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Is this a series?
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Jul 04, 2015 12:59AM
When a book is split in multiple parts it is allowed to make a series for those parts (but without the whole book), as far as I know.
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Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "Should this be deleted? https://www.goodreads.com/series/4938..."Definitely, belongs in the edition field instead.
This looks like an imprint : https://www.goodreads.com/series/9950... (Meridian) This books that is part of the series page is a collections of short stories from a Bulgarian author. It doesn't seem to have anything in common with the rest of the works.
156 Imprint, definitely. Google translate says:"MERIDIAN series issued since 1999, presents the work of renowned authors from Central Europe . Editor and author of the graphic concept of the series is Krzysztof Czyżewski . Within its framework appeared to date more than thirty books by authors from Albania , Bosnia, Croatia, Czech Republic , Lithuania, Polish , Romania, Ukraine, Hungary"
The Polish editions do look alike, but the other editions don't, and authors just being from Central Europe is not enough for a series.
(I have the feeling we already came across this series once, or was it just a similar one?)
I came across one of these volumes and automatically moved the series info to the edition field, but there are more of them and it actually looks like a legitimate series to me: https://www.goodreads.com/search?utf8...Opinions?
Looks like an imprint, or publishers series, to me - different authors.
As it is non-fiction I can't say but here is the info for them: http://emergingcivilwar.com/publicati...
159-161 I'll wait for rivka's decision then. We have had non-fiction series with different authors before, and I think these books are only published in this edition.Thanks!
Should works that are set in the same world (but published through Kindle Worlds, i.e. the world is rarely, if ever original) and written by different authors count as a series or not?For example, here is the original (I think) Miss Fortune series by Jana Deleon: https://www.goodreads.com/series/1098...
But a slew of other writers have used her setting, and in some cases characters, in their own stories, for example:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
and https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2...
Should they be added to the original, left separate, or perhaps create sub-series for them?
#163, If characters or settings are part of the world they should be added to the same world - series. Example is the Silo series with all it's fan-fiction.
Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "#163, If characters or settings are part of the world they should be added to the same world - series. Example is the Silo series with all it's fan-fiction."Really? I would think that wrong to combine fanfic with the original series.
Might be wrong. Will wait and see what others say.
I thought it might be useful for readers to be able to locate all the stories quickly, but adding to the original series feels a bit weird/messy - and maintaining any sort of numbering among all the different stories would be painful.We'll have to see.
In any case, the Silo series is an interesting example. I did not know it was ordered that way. Thank you for linking to it, Ellie.
The Silo series is a very bad example of book numbering, I wouldn't recommend following it.
If I were an author, I would consider it an affront, at the very least, to have books I did not write on the page where my series was listed.
Those Silo books (and I didn't check all of them, but I recognise several of the authors and a couple of the titles) aren't exactly fanfic. They are licensed works set in the Silo universe and are for sale via Kindle Worlds. I'd object to seeing not-for-sale traditional fan-fic included in the canon series, but this is more like the Star Wars expanded universe.
Krazykiwi wrote: "They are licensed works set in the Silo universe... "Yes, they are and they are part of the series.
Right, but there's also a mountain of unlicensed Silo fanfic out there, and I don't think that should be added to the series.
Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "The Silo series is a very bad example of book numbering, I wouldn't recommend following it."No fear of that, I'm not sure I even understand it well enough to replicate it, intentionally or not.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "If I were an author, I would consider it an affront, at the very least, to have books I did not write on the page where my series was listed."
The thought did cross my mind, but, in this case, she has at least given explicit written permission for other writers to use her work.
Still, I'm not sure adding everything to the original series page would serve either authors or readers very well.
On another subject, I've been stumbling across some poetry series - different authors, sometimes but not always the same publisher. The only thing they have in common, it appears, are that they are poetry collections. A prime example:
https://www.goodreads.com/series/6623...
I post it because I'm less certain it is not a series than the others.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "If I were an author, I would consider it an affront, at the very least, to have books I did not write on the page where my series was listed."Actually, Kindle Worlds kind of turned that on it's head in one pretty hilarious case, when L.J. Smith who originally wrote the Vampire Diary novels as works for hire, was later fired when she disagreed with the company over the directino of the plot. although the company continues to use her name on the covers for later multi-author books. So she wrote a Kindle Worlds book with her idea of how things should have gone.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1000142...
In any case my point which I'm failing to articulate is, I think we can distinguish between the actual series (in the Silo case: Wool and Shift) and the "expanded universe" (the Silo one). Adding books to the Wool trilogy doesn't make any sense at all, but adding them to the 'all stuff set in this universe' does, to me (as long as they're properly licensed works).
Krazykiwi wrote: "In any case my point which I'm failing to articulate is, I think we can distinguish between the actual series (in the Silo case: Wool and Shift) and the "expanded universe" (the Silo one). Adding books to the Wool trilogy doesn't make any sense at all, but adding them to the 'all stuff set in this universe' does, to me (as long as they're properly licensed works). "That isn't material I'm ever going to read, so I suppose I don't really have a dog in that fight. But it goes against what I think of as the definition of a series.
Elizabeth, you probably don't want to ever try to figure out the Star Wars or Warhammer series. Or even Dragonlance or Wild Cards. https://www.goodreads.com/series/5544... f'rinstance. And do click the "More" link in the description to see the subseries that many of these books fit into. It's how we do things over here in genre fiction land.
I do get what you're saying, but in sci-fi / fantasy, multiple authors working in multiple timelines with disparate sets of characters, within the same overarching "Universe" is totally a thing, and some of them have been going for decades now. And we who do read them, tend to refer to them as series - and yes then we have to clarify which specific sub-series and even chronology we're actually meaning, but we're also used to that.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "On another subject, I've been stumbling across some poetry series - different authors, sometimes but not always the same publisher. The only thing they have in common, it appears, are that they are poetry collections."I vote no. The books don't even look similar. Being poetry is not enough to constitute a series.
Krazykiwi wrote: "Elizabeth, you probably don't want to ever try to figure out the Star Wars or Warhammer series. Or even Dragonlance or Wild Cards. "Nope, series really isn't my thing. There are a few classics I've read, but that's about it. I saw a Batman series on here and just rolled my eyes. No way would I consider all of that jumble a series, but also no way was I going to stick my toe in that water.
lethe wrote: "Being poetry is not enough to constitute a series. "That's what I think, too. And there are nearly 8 pages of poetry "series" if you search poetry series on GR series search page. Do I need a break from awards, or what?!!?
Why would we need this series? All of the books are listed under the "author."https://www.goodreads.com/series/1395...
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At least one book is a republication of an earlier edition: https://www.goodreads.com/work/editio...
So not a series.
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rivka wrote: "At least one book is a republication of an earlier edition: https://www.goodreads.com/work/editio...So not a series. "
Thanks, rivka.
So how about #163 and others like it? Should a new series be created?Scylla wrote: "Should works that are set in the same world (but published through Kindle Worlds, i.e. the world is rarely, if ever original) and written by different authors count as a series or not?
For example..."
I'm pretty sure this is not a series, but since there's so many books I wanted to be sure and ask:http://www.goodreads.com/series/43846... - looks like this one was deleted
https://www.goodreads.com/series/4515...
I am 99% sure these are just part of an imprint, not an actual series.
Edit:
Not totally sure about this one:
https://www.goodreads.com/series/7499...
I think it's an imprint?
Asteropê wrote: "https://www.goodreads.com/series/4515...I am 99% sure these are just part of an imprint, not an actual series.
Edit:
Not totally sure about this one:
https://www.goodreads.com/series/7499...
I think it's an imprint?"
Neither of them is a series according to GR standards.
I think as a rule of thumb you can say that series containing the publisher's name are not series by GR standards, but need to be moved to the edition field.
This is an imprint, however some editions that are translated are still part of the "series" Bulgarian translationas an imprint as well. The imprint/series name is "100", includes titles such as : the top 100 politicians, top 100 events, top 100 Russian mysteries, etc ...
The reason I am questioning the deletion is: As a general rule, a book is only part of a series if that designation would apply to all editions of a work.
Moloch wrote: "This?https://www.goodreads.com/series/1590..."
No, belongs in edition field.
#188 still needs to be decided.
Ellie [The Empress] wrote: "Imprint I think: https://www.goodreads.com/series/5726..."Yes, I think so too.
Shared universe. Commissioned shorts set in the L.A. Noire game universe.
Krazykiwi wrote: "Shared universe. Commissioned shorts set in the L.A. Noire game universe."Except that they aren't all commissioned shorts. And "game universe" - no.
Elizabeth (Alaska) wrote: "Krazykiwi wrote: "Shared universe. Commissioned shorts set in the L.A. Noire game universe."Except that they aren't all commissioned shorts. And "game universe" - no."
No what?
I know it's not your reading taste, but trust me, there are thousands of books out there set in universes based on games, it's no different than book franchises set in movie/tv show universes. Some of them are extremely successful franchises, actually there's a few where the books are far more popular and have way more readers than the games ever had players.
And they are as far as I can see, the original commissioned works, it says so on the covers - 8 shorts, and a collection of all 8, although at least one of them (The Joyce Carol Oates https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... ) looks like it's been miscombined with a later collection sharing it's name, which happens all the time, as you probably know.
I got to that series by look at a book by Joyce Carol Oates. I guess I could just remove that book because it doesn't belong in any game universe series. Done.
I'll be really clear then. The eleven story collection titled "Black Dahlia and White Rose: Stories" contains a story titled "Black Dahlia and White Rose".
They have been combined. They should not be. The short story belongs to the series. The eleven story collection, which republishes it, does not, other than as a non-primary work which often gets "Includes L.A. Noire #4" in it's series moniker.
So if you remove the collection from the series, you should probably not leave the series vandalised and the editions miscombined, but separate the short story and put it back in the series, where it belongs.
Which is what I'm working on. It's interesting that people who have worked on combining that book are unable to read. The librarian note for that book (dated 2012!) says not to combine with the others.
If I remember correctly, we can create a "series" to group a work split in more volumes, but the full work should NOT be part of this (pseudo)-series.Should I delete the complete book "Nightmares & Dreamscapes" from here https://www.goodreads.com/series/5038... then?
Thanks
This one https://www.goodreads.com/series/69946 is different because "The Green Mile" was originally published in various parts and then collected together (as far as I know!).At the moment it's
full work -> primary work but no number
parts 1-6 --> no primary works, numbered
The full work should stay or be deleted? Should "primary work" be unchecked and the full work numbered "1-6"?
Shouldn't the various parts be "primary works"?
Thanks
(I'm more bothered by #200 which seems more "wrong" to me, this one could stay this way as far as I'm concerned, but since I saw the link I thought to report and ask)
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