MeerderWörter’s Comments (group member since Jan 08, 2016)

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4. Stand Together As Feminists And Offer Feminist Solutions

I'm going on a march against sexualised violence and assault in the public space against women on friday.

Marching is so great!

I still can't believe this actually is "in print" there, for everyone to read!

I must say Sascha and Keith have perfectly put together how I think about it.

We shall not critizise too harshly other countries, we still have a lot to do in our own social environment.

Nothing to add there.

Tadej wrote: "The question is in the place, but we can also take another path, how society will benefit from it. In the primary society, there were only people who were same sex oriented but there was none homos..."

That, dear Tadej, is impossible. Generations of sociologists have tried that, in vain.

Stephanie wrote: "MeerderWörter wrote: "Deborah wrote: "Hi!
I was listening to a podcast today and they were talking how biographies are much better them simply a book about a topic, because with the biography you ..."

The best book we read in my opinion. On-the-road(pun totally intended), everyday feminism, as well as huge steps, what more do you want?

To the former commentators:
Welcome aboard, it's always great to see new members dropping in!

I'm lucky that my library has a few copies, as it is quite expensive buying every book. So, I'll borrow from the library this time!
Gotta do it NOW!

Alexa wrote: "I love this book. It terrifies me just how close to reality the rationalizations for this society prove to be. Excellent writing and well-developed characters. I'm excited to see the discussion thi..."

The discussions that will be sparked from this book... I'm looking forward to them!

Pam wrote: "Indigo wrote: "Just because none of those are tied to any particular gender roles doesn't mean they get all abolished because of that. They're still there and will still be there. And different cul..."

Hm Pam, I'd like to write an answer to both your and Indigo's post.

I totally agree with what Indigo said, but while he looks at a world where physical appearance still matters, you don't, Pam.

I still think that physical appearance would matter, even in a world where it doesn't really. We have an innate feeling of who we are, man or woman, or otherwise. We "know" both our sex and gender. I doubt that everyone will suddenly have a different avatar than male and female or inbetween. I doubt that feminine and masculine would vanish, they would adapt, for sure, but not vanish.
I believe that a world where you can filter out everyone who you don't like, or don't share an opinion with, is very dangerous. Because we need to work together, and not close our doors and not speak with each other.

So, I doubt that an "online" version of our life would solve the problem, because gender is innate, and sex is a very strong marker. Change would happen, but not as much as this.

As a closing point, I'd like to say that a world like the one described by Indigo is the world I want to be in. No harm against intersex and trans people, one can conclude that this society is way more inclusive and acknowledging and respectful than now.

Now, if this isn't feminist I don't know what else is!

Blake Lively is fighting child pornography, in collaboration with Child Rescue Coalition.

http://www.harpersbazaar.co.uk/cultur...

My question for Clarissa Pincola Estes:

Do you think that there are societies where the Wild Woman is cherished and nourished, and if so, where?

Wow, this book sounds definitely worth exploring. Gonna get it bought soon.

Thanks for that recommendation, Emma!
A rocky read tho, I guess, I'll still read it.

Mariana wrote: "This is my first book in this group and it was really difficult for me. I enjoyed the stories but not so much her explanations. I also felt like she wasn't speaking to all women. What really did it..."

I totally agree with you, and as far as I understand it she says depression can come, well, out of nowhere, which totally disregards it as a mental illness. It is an illness and to say that it comes from not doing what you want is quite harmful, as I understand it.

I think when she refers to ovaries the whole time, it's just not even very archetypical. I mean, who knew a few hundred (or thousand years) ago about ovaries. I doubt that many societies knew about them, and if, then I'm sure only a few people.

As I said in another topic, The Vagina Monologues was at least informative for me in some ways, but this just isn't. I don't say the stories are bad, they're very good, but I don't like her heteronormative analysis of it.

Emma wrote: "I agree! This passage seemed really inclusive of women and positive to me. However, I wish I could change it to say wild woman is for "all genders, whether they are man loving, woman loving...""

ALL GENDERS! I think it can still be about women, but about women. And not just cisgender, dyadic women.

Pam wrote: "The book was written in the '93 if it's any help.

The big debate of the time whether a single woman could be allowed to raise a child out of wedlock without a husband was THE issue of the day. Th..."

OMG, in 93' the intersex activism hasn't even started really. That explains a lot. If she were to release a new edition, she had to include both inter* and trans* people's perspectives tho. ALL WOMEN!

Stella wrote: "I haven't finished the book yet. Far from it. But I must admit as a woman who has had a hysterectomy, I was thrown by some of the references to los ovarios and other specific anatomy. Decided I'd h..."

Hm, I'm not that far, but still, if she's that much about "lady parts", that just shows me it's not the right book for me.

Indigo wrote: "Gerd wrote: "Pam wrote: "Please forgive me, but I do not understand.

If there are no gender roles, would we have such words like feminine or masculine?"

I don't quite see why not, even if we got..."

The John/Joan case is so important, because it shows exactly how gender is innate, and not trained. When I first read about it I cried, because it was so wrong to do that in the first place.
Intersex people also have very high suicide rates, sex and gender is simply a matter not to mess with.

Holly wrote: "Exactly! HBO has a plethora of wild women characters:. Arya Stark and Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones, Armistice from Westworld, Calamity Jane and Trixie from Deadwood and others I can't reca..."

Know that Stark translates to "strong", that portrays her character quite well as I understand it.

Emily wrote: "^ Very true!"

Think about all the trans women and inter women who don't bleed once a month, simply because they didn't develop the organs necessary for that.

And it's great to see that I'm not the only one who thinks like that, Emily. Intersectionality is key!

Gerd wrote: "Pam wrote: "Please forgive me, but I do not understand.

If there are no gender roles, would we have such words like feminine or masculine?"

I don't quite see why not, even if we got rid of "gend..."

That and I'd argue that feminine traits are most likely found in women, and masculine traits in men.

So, here in Austria it is really peaceful. Since WWII Austria is neutral, and the only thing our soldiers do is serve in humanitarian crises. So, it's very safe for Austria now, but I doubt that will be the case of there is actually going to be a EU army. Right now each country has its own military, and I hope that will remain as it is.

And remember, WWI was initiated by two shots, a war declaration against Serbia, and a lot of alliances, that kicked in one after the other.