Twilight
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Why do you think people hate twilight so much?
Liz wrote: "I read all four of the books, and I won't lie I did like it a little...but then I got turned off. First off, THE PROSE! Does Stephanie Meyer have a vocabulary? Did she even edit her novel before sh..."I had no problems with her prose. Though yeah, some of her word choices were really odd.
I totally agree that her editor should have been thorough. But you'll be disappointed to know that her editor and agent are the ones who suggested that Jacob be given a more prominent role (since he was only supposed to be the device through which Bella learns about Edward's secret). IMO, she needs better people on her team.
I love that Bella is not afraid of Edward. He turned out to be a really sweet, loving hearted Man. Edward Waited so long for someone who didn't care what he was. In my defense, I honestly wouldn't care either. Like they always say "True love never fades"
Alexa wrote: "I love that Bella is not afraid of Edward. He turned out to be a really sweet, loving hearted Man. Edward Waited so long for someone who didn't care what he was. In my defense, I honestly wouldn't ..."you are so right that is the message i got from the book and the movie thank you finally somebody understands
Angela wrote: "Alexa wrote: "I love that Bella is not afraid of Edward. He turned out to be a really sweet, loving hearted Man. Edward Waited so long for someone who didn't care what he was. In my defense, I hone..."Lol Thank you!!!
someone who does not judge the aspects of a loving trilogy!!!!
Alexa wrote: "Angela wrote: "Alexa wrote: "I love that Bella is not afraid of Edward. He turned out to be a really sweet, loving hearted Man. Edward Waited so long for someone who didn't care what he was. In my ..." no prob someone understands it
Most people hate the fanbase not the book. I worked at a theater and I would listen to people being dragged into the theaters making up excuses to why they're there and how much they HATE twilight but not because of poor writing or the reinvention of vampires but because of the fanbase (they've read and liked the book). Most people don't want to be associated with screaming girls overreacting to a romance novel or even crazy 40 year old women who buy an extra ticket to the movie for her Edward Cut-out (True story). The writer did a good job, the fans ruined it.
I've read the first one, and it was ok, but I quit in the middle of New Moon. I fell asleep watching the movie. I only read them because I felt like I had to, but if someone likes them, that's fine.
Some ppl think its GAY but I think its a pretty awesome saga for ppl who like Vampires and Werewolves!!! TEAM JACOB!!!
Ithink that the way it was so hyped up from the moment everyone started reading it made alot of people resent it before they'd even read it purley because its all thhey ever heard about. Then on the other hand, it just wasn't some people's style of writing and they couldn't read it.Mostly though, my blame falls on to the movies as I feel they portrayed it in a bad way in the very first film, with a bad choice of direction. Alough there are certain aspects in the direction that are good there are still some that are very bad... for example in the latest one, Bella never smiling at her own wedding.
Overall, I think its really a mix between an over-hyped hearsay of the books, mostly from younger people and the fact that the movies have certain aspects that let the books down, but this will always happen when adapting a book to a movie.
Personally, having read the books multiple times a few years ago and thinking they were excellent, I was strongly disappointed by the movies with their lack of correct charictarisation for all the characters, especially Bella in consideration to the books and the way that everyone went on about them as aposed to the books and consiquently ended up having less fond memorys of the twilight series...
Still, Twilight is my guilty pleasure...:p
Jacklyn wrote: "Most people hate the fanbase not the book. The writer did a good job, the fans ruined it."Sort of true. But I don't really get why people are so bothered about how others enjoy the series.
Roane wrote: "I personally don't "hate" Twilight - it's a very strong word. I read the first book, and then watched the film. The first film wasn't bad in my opinion, but I'll admit that the second and third one..."
Hmmm, I didn't know publishers control bestsellers, I always thought it was the demand the determined it. Without consumer demand, I think the book sales will do very poorly.
I totally agree with the "blown completely out of proportion" part.
because they don't like how people obsess over it, because they think its stupid to believe in something that's not real. or they don't like the characters. but i love it.
Roane wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Jacklyn wrote: "Most people hate the fanbase not the book. The writer did a good job, the fans ruined it."Sort of true. But I don't really get why people are so bothere..."
Oh okay, no worries. :)
I figure to some extent publishers do influence the sales (with advertising or marketing techniques or whatever).
Amy wrote: "I think that while the relationship between Bella and Edward draws some people in, it turns others off the series. While I was reading the series there were parts I enjoyed, but in real life Edward..."
I personally think that Edward was dictating throughout. So I think we can not connect with Bella and Edward. If someone really loves you, he wouldn't want you to change, forget about roaming around you all the time.
As for the whole "hate" and "like" thing, I think that classics are on there side, and fads on the other.
I personally think that Edward was dictating throughout. So I think we can not connect with Bella and Edward. If someone really loves you, he wouldn't want you to change, forget about roaming around you all the time.
As for the whole "hate" and "like" thing, I think that classics are on there side, and fads on the other.
Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Edward and Bella don't have anything. Come on, Harry Potter and the Hunger Games are so much better than Twilight
I think it is due to the success of the series but not because people are jealous. I think it's because people don't think it deserves this level of success.It's sort of like someone saving a puppy from being run over in the street. You praise them for their quick thinking, bravery and noble actions but that doesn't mean they deserve the medel of honor.
Twilight has been handed global success but hasn't really earned it.
Recently John Bishop cycled, swam and ran 255 miles and earned millions for charity. Is he as famous as Twilight? Nope. Why not? Because he's not a sparkly vampire, which I think is a pretty poor excuse.
Successful or not, the movie is crap acting and the book (I only subjected myself to the first one after pressure from my non-YA friends) is crap writing. I find it naive to the point of ridiculousness. I get why a teenager would like it but my 30 and 40-something year old friends know better. If I met a guy like Edward in real life, I would find him pretty annoying at best. He reads like a young & dumb bf from highschool-- the one that you learn from... But then, so does Bella.I dislike it because it is bad work.
I hate it because I have to watch so many grown women act like assholes over it.
I liked the books but the movies suck...to avoid further arguments that's all Im going to say. ;)
This was probably already said, but, for me Twilight was a good book, it was a good read. In Twilight, Bella was independent, she was helping her father out, she was in a new place and choosing to grow as a person. All in all she was an excellent, strong, young woman. So in Twilight, Bella was a relatable and interesting heroine.Now, the reason I cannot stand the series is because Bella changed entirely. She turned into an anti-heroine/victim in the first half of New Moon. It was an obvious switch, it was out of nowhere, and it was completely uncharacteristic of her character development up until that point.
You cannot take a strong heroine and randomly turn them into a weak heroine, it's just preposterous!
So yeah, all sparkly vampires aside, the author was not paying attention to her character arks and it was annoying for an educated person to read. Anyone with a mind for writing/books noticed that shift right away and either decided to keep reading or threw the book across the room in disbelief. I did the later. So the movies have been fun at least...
I don't hate the books, they taught me something about writing and they gave me hope for my future because millions of people love those books despite the obvious lack of quality. If the twilight books can be so very popular there is hope for us all!
At the risk of repeating myself, I'll simply say that the books and the movie are based on a terrible premise, that there are no consequences to anything. Let a boy in your room, no problem! Join the undead, "Still have kids!" Come on.
Doris wrote: "This was probably already said, but, for me Twilight was a good book, it was a good read. In Twilight, Bella was independent, she was helping her father out, she was in a new place and choosing to..."Us authors can only hope. :)
My sister told me this story back when the first movie came out. A couple of kids go trick or treating. One is dressed as Edward. The other as a policeman. The knock on the door and instead of shouting "Trick or Treat", the policeman tackles Edward and arrests him on charges of stalking. As the story goes, they get handfuls of candy for their efforts. Every time I repeat this story, I get laughs. I have no idea if it is true and it doesn't really matter. What is important is that adults recognize the unhealthy nature of the relationship between Edward and Bella.Edward stalks and tries to control Bella. In the first book, after Bella realizes from research that Edward is a vampire, she insists that she is completely in love with him even though she doesn't know whether or not he is a killer.
Then there is Jacob. He lies and manipulates Bella repeatedly. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Melinda wrote: "I hate it because I have to watch so many grown women act like assholes over it. "If I may ask, what do you mean "act like assholes"?
For me, I just think Bella was pretty weak both in the movie and in the book. She could be more of Katniss of Clary, but other Characters, they were perfect for me.
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Melinda wrote: "I hate it because I have to watch so many grown women act like assholes over it. "If I may ask, what do you mean "act like assholes"?"
Well, first of all I am talking about grown women, not the audience for which Twilight was originally intended. If you have kids old enough to read Twilight and yet you regularly refer to Edward Cullen as if he were a real person in your life-- but don't talk about your husband, you're either an asshole or you've got some serious stuff to work through. Either way it happens. A lot.
Doris wrote: "I don't hate the books, they taught me something about writing and they gave me hope for my future because millions of people love those books despite the obvious lack of quality. If the twilight books can be so very popular there is hope for us all! "But isn't it depressing that books of such low quality and terrible writing can become huge successes. I was saddened when they appeared on a list of 100 books you have to read before you die (granted it was done via public vote) but still.
I don't hate the Twilight books. I think they're actually good. But as someone said before me, weakness of Bella's character is the biggest problem. I read the books 2-3 times, as I do with all the other books. But I got sick of it when I saw the movie. Movie is awful..More than awful. The actors are awful aswell. I mean when I read the books and there was this part when they said they love eachother, I almost cried, 'cause it was well written. But at that part in the movie I seriously laughed. Kirsten Stewart ruined all the good things that were left in Bella's character. Robert Pattinson looks like he hates Edward's character. In one interview he actually said that he hates him.
But books are good, and I really like them. Don't hate on me. :Đ
Moonlight wrote: "My sister told me this story back when the first movie came out. A couple of kids go trick or treating. One is dressed as Edward. The other as a policeman. The knock on the door and instead of ..."thst is something
Daniel wrote: "Lauryn wrote: "i think some people are just jealous of what Edward and Bells have!"Please don't tell me that you actually believe that."
Oh, thank goodness, I thought for one crazy second that I would be the first to question this.
I seriously believe it's due to the unrealistic characters, storyline, the repition, and the author being somewhat dull in her writing. Just my personal opinion.
Melinda wrote: "Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Melinda wrote: "I hate it because I have to watch so many grown women act like assholes over it. "If I may ask, what do you mean "act like assholes"?"
Well, first o..."
Goodness where did you hear that from? I've heard of people making their husband wear glitter or whatever but I haven't heard of people ignoring their husband to talk to imaginary Edward, lol. That is troubling.
Though if your concern is about older women liking twilight when they shouldn't, I don't get that at all. Most of the twifans I know are grown women and they're mostly lovely awesome people. What people like or consume doesn't have to relate directly to who they are, their politics, or what they find acceptable.
Ashley wrote: "Doris wrote: "I don't hate the books, they taught me something about writing and they gave me hope for my future because millions of people love those books despite the obvious lack of quality. If ..."You know, it isn't really frustrating for me. I think that I have read many reviews/recs that I definitely DO NOT agree with (mostly in magazines that are supposed to be the best in their field). I am not really sure that those lists can even be held up as "good advice." I find this fact to be way more frustrating because these are the people who have the power to get things published and bring things to publishers. The only lists I have been following lately are lists from online book-clubs (run by people who read more than they watch tv) and authors who have a track record of being great at what they do.
Twilight aside: I, for one, found The Davinci Code to be a HORRIBLE example of "good" writing. The plot was heavy and intricate but all the writing was dull and completely uninteresting. So yeah, if critics say that these books are GREAT writing, when they are not even good writing, then we probably need to be pointing more fingers at the critics and the publishers. They should at least have to have some knowledge of the information they are specializing in to post reviews and articles in these supposedly EXPERIENCED and REPUTABLE publications. The same goes for music. I have read so many reviews on NPR that have been just terrible (just a showcasing that lacks a strong basis in musical fact/history/knowledge). On top of that, NPR now has a reputation for making fun of their interns for not knowing anything about music that was made before they were born. The fact that these interns get these jobs, when people who know and love music are not getting these jobs (young people as well as old, I'm not even thirty), tells you a lot about our culture and why the mass media is just turning into mush. If it's happening in the music industry, and the film industry (don't even get me started), you're damn right it's happening in the publishing industry too.
So I am definitely more upset with the industries in control and the media as a whole (the death of the American Journalist is at the top of my current list of "Things that make me want to vomit."). I am almost certain that the publishers who first took on Twilight never imagined it would end up being as successful as it is today. Her books do fit a niche in publishing and that is why they were published in the first place, regardless of how big they ended up becoming.
All that being said, I cannot be depressed by success coming in all forms because that is the "American Dream," and I like to think that we can still hope in that, as a country. Even if the dream has a track record of solely being based on luck and position.
You know that things are getting bad though when Stephen King finds it necessary after over a year of silence to come out and say something because no one in the industry really has made it a point to say it:
"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend." - Stephen King
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Hey guys if you want you can join my book club. It is called YA book club for teens ages 11-16. If you are between the ages 11 and 16 you can join!Thanks!
-Breanna
People hate Twilight so much because it freaking sucks. No way in heck is Stephenie Meyer a great author. Her work can pass for juvenile at best. Her best novel is The Host which has nothing to do with Twilight at all. There are so many faults and inadequacies in Twilight that it is laughable. There is almost no character development at all throughout all four books. The best book in the series is probably the novella with Bree Tanner. At least that character seemed like an actual person. Bella Swan is a terrible character and Edward Cullen is as well. They are both so wrapped up with themselves that they have no room for others feelings. They are shallow and conceited characters. The supporting characters would have made a much better and more interesting series.
Liz wrote: "Marisa wrote: "People hate Twilight so much because it freaking sucks. No way in heck is Stephenie Meyer a great author. Her work can pass for juvenile at best. Her best novel is The Host which has..."I COMPLETELY AGREE! Alice is the unknown character. We even got a full back story on Jasper and Rosalie and both were unnecessary. Alice is the only dynamic character. I would love to find out about her past.
Because it's a shitty book. I can understand why some choose to like it, but to claim it is anything other than shit is absurd.
Steven wrote: "Because it's a shitty book. I can understand why some choose to like it, but to claim it is anything other than shit is absurd."I completely agree with you and I think you are a genius.
Steven wrote: "Because it's a shitty book. I can understand why some choose to like it, but to claim it is anything other than shit is absurd."Not everyone has the same opinion as you. And it may come as a surprise but not everyone thinks it's "shit".
*le gasp*
Other people having their own opinion? I know, crazy right?
Diane *Ahnnihilate* wrote: "Steven wrote: "Because it's a shitty book. I can understand why some choose to like it, but to claim it is anything other than shit is absurd."Not everyone has the same opinion as you. And it may ..."
Sarcasm at its finest.
This apparently isn't a King quote, but it's still wonderful: This is why Twilight is shallow and of little worth: "Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doingwhat is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it
is to have a boyfriend."
Yes, it's about three thousand words long, but "three thousand words long," is not a theme..
I love the characters, not the actors who portrayed them.
Because the story line was so predictable and sucked. The characters were funny but it wasn't good enough to distract people from the epic explosion of boring.
I read the books & partial book, and the writing is so so (too much filler), but they were entertaining but not great reads. They're YA books and I kept that in mind while reading them (I'm in my upper 30'S). To me I think part of what ticked people off about the series was that once a little success happened everything was shoved down your throat and stuffed in your face. People talked like they were the greatest books ever written. It might have turned off those who might have checked the series out. It was brilliant by the marketing people since it made big bucks for Meyers, but a little overmarketed for me. The movies casting may also have turned people off, many really cannot stand Stewart (myself included), she helped to overemphasis Bella's lack of personality. For the most part I was good with the others, but Bella was boring and annoying.Plus the sparkling thing is lame.
People don't like Twilight COZ IT SUCKS!!!!!!!The writing is rubbish and the storyline is even worse!
IT SUCKS IT SUCK IT SUCKS!!!!
Sarah wrote: "People don't like Twilight COZ IT SUCKS!!!!!!!The writing is rubbish and the storyline is even worse!
IT SUCKS IT SUCK IT SUCKS!!!!"
Yeah! Agreed... I've read all the books.. They're not good at all. People like me hate it because it's sooo overrated, bella is an annoying and edward is a stalker..
Yay! Someone else who shares my opinion!
Missyb wrote: "I read the books & partial book, and the writing is so so (too much filler), but they were entertaining but not great reads. They're YA books and I kept that in mind while reading them (I'm in my ..."She really is terrible in the movies, why does she pause in the middle of every sentence?? It frustrates me to no end. Plus I don't think Robert Pattinson is that good looking looking, but I think he has potential as an actor and I think he knows he is in a terrible movie and the books are terrible so he over plays it. Just when I see him interviewed i really get the idea that he is deliberately overacting everything.
But for a couple who are supposed to be dating in real life, they really have zero chemistry.
Ashley wrote: "Missyb wrote: "I read the books & partial book, and the writing is so so (too much filler), but they were entertaining but not great reads. They're YA books and I kept that in mind while reading t..."I agree completely with you. Rob Pats hates Twilight so much that in interviews he says he cannot wait to be done with it. That really shows the general hate for just about every aspect of Twilight. Also, Kristen Stewert has about as much personality as a dead skunk.
I think it mostly has to do with the movies, but Bella isn't the easiest character to want to read about. I know I felt like slapping her a few times especially the way she lead Jacob on. The first book was a slow start and then the series got better with books 2 and 3 but then got a bit weird and twisted in the 4th book with Bella's baby being Jacob's soul mate. But to answer the question most directly people tend to hate things that are overly popular look at Harry Potter people have a strong hate for that series as well and I'm sure after while The Hunger Games will have the same issue. People have nothing better to do than just sit around and hate what the fail to understand or find interesting. No one should take it personal, a fact of life is that not everyone is going to have the same love for the exact same thing.
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Totally agree with this comment. She is not a strong role model, and her life has no meaning unless a man gives it meaning. This book gives young girls the wrong impression of who they should be and why.